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devnmon · 1 year

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TWD 11x23 SPOILERS BELOW [some chronological others overall from the episode]

first of all let’s talk about peak dilf!daryl

like oh my god.

second of all why does he look so sexy when he’s just sitting there. i mean honestly how does he get away with it.

also

ezekiel saying “yet i smile” makes me nostalgic and it hurts honestly. also fuck negan and annie i hope he never becomes a father <3

carol saying judith and carl are alike. ow.

yumiko has been looking great this [half of the] season even though her plotline was obviously cut short and she wasnt in half the season hahaha. its not funny but its the only thing keeping me going abt my wlw queens [miko and magna]

also mercer has become one of my faves <33 i love him and im so glad he had a change of heart about pamela and the cmw.

BRO I WAS NOT EXPECTING THAT??? LYDIA?????

this one guard is suspicious of mercer and some of the guards. either this is gonna go smoothly or some shit is going to get fucked up

bro aaron saying to lydia “lydia, you are so loved” really made me sob. LIKE FUCKINGGGG OW AND ALSO PHYSICALLY OW BECAUSE OF BDJSHSJDHFHSJD

twd hasn’t made me cry in a long time but THIS episode will do it for me. if i think what’s going to happen… happens, it’s over for me genuinely.

pamela trusts mercer let’s see how this goes…

jerry and aaron are my new favorite duo. they simply just get. shit. done.

oh my god. it happened i knew it was gonna fucking happen i KNEW IT GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

“UM THEYRE CLIMBING THE WALLS BRO” *gets bit in the face*

OH MY GOD JULES AND LUKE MADE IT THROUGH THE HERD GOD. I NEEDED THEM TO BE OKAY BUT WHERE IS ELIJAH BROOOOOJDNSNDHFJSKDJFJ

daryl is so :( bro he is struggling to keep it together i can see him breaking and it’s just nOT okay.

#twd spoilers #twd season 11 #11.23 spoilers

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thewalkingdeadband · 1 year

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CARYL'S LAST EPISODE... (It IS going to be long, beware...) please note that these are only my opinion and the things i felt while watching

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I dont know where to start... i posponed in order to try to gather my thoughts but its hard..

Im not okay. Im not fine. I keep thinking about what we were supposed to have. Them riding off together. Now imagine the same ending scene for them, saying both goodbye to the kids and Ezekiel, with the same beautiful music in the background....

We probably wouldn't have had an I love you then, nor a kiss i believe, but we would've had them leaving together and riding off to their spin off. Which was the plan. Which was the fucking plan. The fucking endgame plan. With or without canon. This is all i could think while watching the scene and hearing the music behind.

I was so caught up in the episode earlier with Rosita and everything happening that it almost took me the time jump to remember that it was the last twd ep ever and that they were going their separate ways at the end, within the next 20 mns or so. Thats when it hit me. Again.

So they were together the whole way this episode, taking care both of Judith, Carol taking care of Daryl, both respectfully giving Magna/Connie/Yumiko/Kelly some space to say goodbye and mourn Luke while trying to save Jude. And while watching over her, they gave each other at some point a beautiful longing look .

She helped him giving his blood, she teared up with relief when Little ass kicker woke up, her hands in her hair.

I loved all that.

Then: bam, action, back to the rest of the episode, fastforward to the end with them locking Pamela up and giving her the same kind of speech Richonne gave when they locked up Negan in the s8 finale. Please. And let's not even go back to Family 11.23, where they ran with Judith in Daryl's arms and Carol clearing the way, just as Richonne with Carl in s6.... Please, again.

But back to Rest in Peace:

Time jump: we have Connie running towards Daryl and my heart shattered a little, thinking "oh no its like Zeke in 9x01, they made them canon post time jump". But no, so huuuuuge relief, cause im not gonna lie and pretend: she did look like a girlfriend running towards her boyfriend in this scene, and that was totally done on purpose i believe. That said, we knew he was leaving and as far as we knew not with Connie so it didnt make sense for me to actually worry i guess ?

And then we see Carol. Short haired. Which i liked. Because if having long hair meant feeling safe enough coz Ed couldnt grab them anymore so no need to cut them short, having short hair again meant, in my opinion: now i feel safe regardless of my haircut, no one's gonna hurt me, Ed is long dead, i can feel safe and relaxed with long OR short hair.

And then we have the goodbye....

I wish you were coming with me. I was torn between screaming "dont we all" and "no shit sherlock".

This is going to be good for you, for me.

Yes. You heard that. To be separated. Good.for.them. Why? How? When? The hell does it mean? I had time to think abt it, and i dont like what i came up with:

"i love u too much and it scares me? We're too fusional? We hurt each other too much lately?? You re better off without me because im not good for u anyway? And to be alone - without u- for a while will allow me some time to heal ?"

After he says goodbye to the kids and zeke, Judith goes, hey, daryl, u deserve happiness too and yes, she seems to look behind, towards Carol but no, im not going to make conclusions out of it even if i love the idea, especially considering what Norman said to Vanity fair abt this line ("if there is any line from the finale that carries over to the spin off , it's that one"). That doesnt look good but i also know not to make a big deal out of what actors say - good or bad, honestly - and at this point i dont wanna care for now, we'll see.

Here's the link for this interview:

Then ... I LOVE YOU

SO... unfortunately, it was said in the same episode than Rosita/Eugene's i love you, and than Magna's " I love you" and "we love you so much" to Luke. So yeah, anyone can see it as platonic if they want to, and put Caryl in the same box as Rosita/Eugene and Luke/his group. It was done on purpose to me.. a la "see? This is the last episode, so this is the episode of the i love yous and do what u want with it"

BUT... the way he said it sounded romantic as hell to me (same as the look he gave her when he answered "yeah..." to her "its a beautiful day to head out"...).

This is her answer/response that bothered me. He said it as a sort of relief for me, like "i finaaaally let it out of my chest", and "i fucking mean it" but she brushed it off, a la "yeah sure pookie dont make fun of me" and to be honest i was almost expecting her to have a "staaaaap" Daryl call back (rofl/tears/idontevenknowanymore). Then she kind of realised he was serious and answered a bit shyly/awkardly i love u too. I was like oh come on!!!! Does she STILL think she's not good enough for his love??

To me he looked disappointed for a nanosecond, and then "oh well", touches her face, they hug, smile, look sad, and off we go. (Yes, maybe it was more Melissa/Norman than Caryl at this point, i dont know).

And then he looks like he wants to say something to her again, and i want to believe it was something like either "u sure u dont want to come ? Please come? " And/ or "i actually love you, you know ? " but eh...

At the end of the day, of course i loved the I love you. For freak's sake, he didnt say it to anyone else in this show, and it is a big deal coming from him, and he said it first. He could have just said: im gonna miss u so much. No, his last words to her were i love you. His last words ever in the main show were to Carol and it was I love you. Of course i screamed with joy regardless of everything.

Ok, to end this dead ass long post, two more things:

Considering everything, im glad Carol's with the kids. Since i like Carick, it gives me hope that maybe, maybe, he could reunite with his kids and Carol (with Rick being forever grateful to her once more), with Daryl - and Michonne of course - being obviously right beside him... since a Rickyl reunion is more than sure at this point, which would lead to a - one can hope- Caryl reunion too...

Also i like the idea of Judith taking care of Carol like Daryl asked. After everything, this is a nice concept. She needs to be taken care of, for once. And if its by the kids, nice touch, since she's taken care of them so much. Plus Carol and Judith being close is all i ever hoped for.

On a lighter note - and please note that it was only a joke to cheer me up, and that i LOVE Ezekiel :

Not my bf saying while watching the caryl goodbye: "look at Zeke being "lets get the fuck out of here kids im not watching this emotional goodbye" while still staying not too far behind to make sure Daryl's actually leaving"

It made me laugh trough my tears, but in all seriousness, Zeke gave them space and i loved him for that, also his hug with Daryl was heartfelt and touching. I want him to find happiness and really move on.

NB: i had a thousand more things to say, but its already way too long...

NB bis: i wish they had brought up the cherokee rose. They were in a beautiful place where there were probably a lot of flowers, he could have taken one and put it in her hair to cheer her up since she was crying and sad. Well, cherokee roses may not be easy to find i dont know... but you know, anything that makes a nice call back to that. Or the acorns. Or the bracelet. Make one last cute joke abt that. For example.

Oh, and have u seen how Maggie asked to see and talk to them both about exploring the world? Since Carol says u want to talk etc. I bet this scene wasnt changed and was in the original way to send caryl into their spin off...

#caryl #caryl fam #caryl forever

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thewalkingdeadband · 1 year

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Review on twd 11.22 (next week for 11.23 even if im already spoiled)

Also sorry, im not an english native speaker, im on my phone and in a rush..and it ended up being long! Sorry

What a great episode, though not perfect. A lot of things seems rushed: for instance "oh shit its 11.22 we need to bring back Luke and Jules in a "oceanside's gone" type of way, so we can wrap up this whole storyline in less than 2 mns." Right. Right.

The callbacks: why did it take 4 seasons to bring up Benjamin again ? For 4 seasons it seemed like only Henry (whom i loved) mattered and now we re remembered that yeah, Benjamin was also Zeke's adopted son. He wasnt in the show for long i know but he made an impact. Hell, his death is the reason Morgan went rogue again and then Richard died ect.

Dont get me wrong im happy Zeke talked abt him but i wish he had been mentioned more often. Same for Sophia, i love all those callbacks lately but it really screams end of series for me and i wish they didnt need the show to end to remember her. That said, these two callbacks still made me emotional as hell, its hard to explain. Especially when Carol said she missed Sophia and Henry and wish they could come back. I was a mess.

- Rosita is fucking bad ass in mama bear mode. But when this asshole said at the end you re going to lose everything, i dont know if we re supposed to believe he talks to all of them or just to her. If its just her, its frightnening: is she going to lose Coco, Gabe and Eugene all together? Is she going to die herself?

- Tyler: i remember watching the Princess centered bonus episode of s10 and hoping this guy would become more important. Im glad he kind of is.

- Donnie: well, if u ship them, u re gonna see things. They "shipbait" both ships a lot, with glances and touches than can be interpreted in lots of ways depending on who u ship Daryl with. I obviously believe that Carol should be the one, and i hate that they still havent made a choice by now. Just choose, stop playing with us. Or have him stay alone, but make it a choice. Not a "we re keeping things open" because we dont want one part of the fandom or the other giving up on watching the spin off. You know what i mean? Thats how i take it honestly. Like they didnt realise a lot of carylers and/or carol fans have decided not to watch anyway, because no Carol anymore.

So im afraid its gonna stay "open" for now. Hope im wrong, hope all the optimistics carylers are right. Im not a pessimistic one i just dont know what to think anymore. Carol is the one, this should have been settled ages ago, back in s5, or even s3, i dont know. Or even s7 after new best friends. Anyway, i hope i can come back here and give my apologies for being fed up with this, and saying that it was actually worth it to wait.

Negan: its becoming really hard to hate him now of course. I dont anyway, but yeah, they re finally giving him a proper (sort of?) redemption arc. Im sorry, but smirking in a evil way at Maggie's face (ending of "here's negan) or telling her "i would do the same if i had to do it all over again", or "hell i'd kill all of u this time" and never showing actual remorse is not a redemption for me. Being nice to Judith or Lydia (and i do know he saved Judith's life in s9b) isnt enough. But this, and last episode? This is starting to sound like it. The guy litteraly almost sacrified himself to save everyone and Annie and his baby, despite what Zeke had just told him!

- Ezekiel: obvisously did the right thing and there was no way he was letting Negan die after seeing all this. He's amazing.

- Carol and Maggie, the bad ass duo we all missed since 6.13. The mothers talking mother to mother. The best friends/sisters that have seen it all together. Carol is the one who wrote a letter to Maggie getting her to come back, remember. They've always been family and close, the show just forgot abt it for a while. Again, a bit late and rushed, but welcomed nonetheless. By rushed, i mean that it screams "end of series" as in u can totally imagine the writers panicking in the writing room "oh shit we need to have meaningful scenes between ogs or main characters ect"

Hell even negan and ezekiel have meaningful scenes, and they barely exchanged (if not at all?) Since s7.

- Eugene : now im really worried. Im so proud of him. Again: callback. He didnt say his name but Abe was on his mind no doubt during all of his speech. I remember thinking back in s7, no way he doesnt have a plan, no way he's really betraying after witnessing Abe being murdered like that and that emotional hug between them just a few scenes ago. But i was wrong. And i was right. He betrayed because he was scared to have the same end as Abe, witnessing his and Glenn's death is actually what made him so scared to stand up to Negan, it fucking traumatized him, he didnt have any plan until late (and Gabriel trying to bring him back and reason him, remember, and Sasha, too). He said all that very well, his cowardice, his need for safety, in his speech, a speech which gave me closure. This guy is so brave, so so brave. I love him so much. I never gave up on him. And im pretty sure he's gonna die. This whole arc screams (heroic?) death for me. I dont want to see him die, but im preparing myself hard.

To be honest im also worried for Rosita, Gabriel and/or Aaron. But that's another subject for another time.

Last but not least: with all these meaningful scenes/moments/talks/goodbyes between beloved characters, where is the caryl one? Talking abt the cave last episode briefly with hands touching, while nice, wasnt enough. I need something at least like in "a certain doom", even though it probably would not be enough granted these are the last episodes, but that would be the bare minimum.

I think because there was supposed to be a spin off with both, they didnt concentrate on them as much as we wish they had, using the time left to end properly everyone arcs, especially the ones that dont have a spin off.

But now that we have a daryl spin off instead of a caryl one, and with news/rumours (?) of last minute changes and reshoots, what can we expect?

Well, we'll figure it out very soon i guess.

Edit a few more thoughts:

- seeing the people cheering for Eugene, supporting the hero he became was very moving

- the ending scene with Negan/Ezekiel/Annie and that armitage hux wannabe made a lot of people thinking -rightfully- abt a parallel with s7ep01 (Annie pregnant instead of Maggie, Negan begging instead of Glenn...) but it also gave me WW2 vibes and it was scary as fuck. Seeing everyone gathering in front of Negan and Annie in support was something else..

- Mercer coming around in that last scene wasnt a surprise at all, but still a freaking relief

#sorry im in a hurry and tired #caryl #twd spoilers #twd family #eugene porter #and everyone else

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