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basshole-astard · 9 months

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PSA: i keep seeing posts about staying cool in extreme heat that include advice like "gatorade is bad actually!" and "don't drink fruit juice it'll just dehydrate you!" and neither of these are true!

regarding fruit juice: there's apparently a misconception that Any Sugar At All will dehydrate you, and that's simply not true. yes, sugar will make you pee more when consumed in large amounts, but 1) the natural sugar in fruits won't do this to you 2) great news! a lot of fruit juices exist without any added sugar in them! 3) honestly even having a glass of the fruit juice with added sugar won't completely dehydrate you as long as you're also drinking water throughout the day. if its hot you deserve a cold treat of a drink!!! can't go wrong with fruit juice!!!

regarding gatorade: maybe this isn't an every day drink, but guess what: if it's 110F/40C or hotter outside, and you don't have AC, or you're moving around a lot outside of the AC, and you're sweating buckets: that's when you drink a gatorade.

gatorade exists to replenish all the electrolytes (salt) and glucose (sugar) that you sweat out. YES it is meant for athletes to drink during intensive work outs and not necessarily for people who aren't doing that kind of exercise. BUT GUESS WHAT! when you're sweating buckets because you had to walk to the bus in extreme heat, that's intensive exercise. please feel free to drink a gatorade after that! that's its intended use case!!!!

no: neither of these drinks should be a total replacement for water. but drinking a lot of water and then treating yourself to a fruit juice with lunch is a good idea!!! drinking a gatorade becuase you just had to walk for 20 minutes in the heat is a good idea!!!

Please Stop Spreading Misinformation About Drinks!!! It's fine if you drink things that aren't water!!!! Yes you should probably always be drinking water but drinking something else As Well isn't going to hurt you!!!! okay!!!! its fine!!!!!!

honestly so long as you are consistently getting Any (non-alcoholic) fluids in you, you're doing great!!!!!! okay!!!! i love you stay safe <3

#also: drinking A Soda or A Coffee isn't going to completely dehydrate you if you're drinking other fluids tbqh!!!#its fine!!!!! its fine!!!!!#drinks #heat #dehydration #this post exists because i'm mad at misinfo but also #this is for my homies who hate the taste of water and struggle to stay hydrated #because people have told them over and over again You Must Absolute Drink Water And Nothing Else and so they just don't drink anything #listen!! hey!!! whoever told you that was lying!!!!#drinking Any Fluids At All (yes even with caffeine!!) is better than Not Drinking Anything #please hydrate!!!! it's okay if that hydration isn't water!!!!#honestly i tried to be extremely non confrontational in this post but im pretty sure i've seen people suggest flavored water packets #but say no fruit juice ever. and that's insane.#it's all fluids baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#so long as you are drinking fluids you are combatting dehydration #YES water is the best option HOWEVER. if you drink things that aren't water that's also okay! i promise!!!!!!!!

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striving-artist · 5 months

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okay, its This Post if you want to go look, but I'm not going to reply on the thread cause I have writing to do tonight and, like I said, yelling at a brick wall does no good. But I WILL take the opportunity to point out a couple things that are common mistakes online during discourse and how you can manipulate a response.

Under a cut because most people don't find examining fallacy and post analysis interesting.

To start, here's all responses of the thread in a simplified form:

Post about voting against Trump

Post from Ohsalome supporting OP with a reference to a commonly heard complaint about Biden (that he is supporting Israel)

Post supporting OP, with a reference to a statement from Trump about creating a dictatorship.

Post supporting OP, talking about the dangers of Trump globally.

Post about the use of Russian misinfo in 2016, discouraging voting and dividing progressives from more moderate dems. Also that it is visible today about Gaza.

Me, supporting OP, and #5, acknowledging the existence of nuance, and adding reminders of Trump being awful.

Quote of someone's tags in support of people voting

Arabian Knight shifts tone and topic, sounding more like Trump, and throws out a lot of directionless insults at the rest of the thread.

Arabian Knight again, misquoting #2, turning a statement into a scare quote that they use to expand on their insults.

Anathema comes in, loudly outraged by the quote Arabian Knight presented in #9, claiming it came from Ohsalome in #2

Wet Paint arguing for people to vote in a primary against Biden (there is no primary btw, this is not an option) and then tagging me and my quote, to claim that I think American lives are worth more than Palestinian lives.

So. That's an excellent example of how fast online conversation can be derailed by one person, and how misquotes and misrepresentations can invent a new conversation and scandal.

Fast analysis version: Arabian Knights changed the quote - maliciously or not - Anathema only reacted to the last post, with the false quote. Now in an emotionally charged setting, Wet Paint responded emotionally, colored by the anger of Anathema and Arabian Knight's posts.

Slower version:

High in the thread is Ohsalome who (Im not tagging folks in, do not do so for me) references a hypothetical argument against Biden. They don't say a specific source, bc its a simplified version of the hyperbolic complaint that shows up on a lot of posts lately. "he is murdering palestinian babies" Many progressives are rightly horrified by Biden supporting Israel, and don't know how to square that with voting for him. To me, that's a fairly clear and obvious generalization by Ohsalome, ymmv. Highlighted below.

In response to Ohsalome, Arabian Knight abbreviates the hypothetical quote, reducing it to just the phrase Palestinian Babies, and places quotes around only those two words. Yes, those are words that Ohsalome said, but you should basically never trust a tiny quote if someone is hinging an argument on it. That change turns it from a hypothetical quote from someone talking about why you wouldn't vote for Biden, and implies that Ohsalome themself was using scare quotes and doubting the existence of Palestinian Babies killed in the attacks on Gaza. That is not what it says or implies. It is a manipulation by Arabian Knight (statistically, this wasn't intentional manipulation, just tumblr's reading comprehension fails) But by putting that cherry picked phrase in quotes, it shifted the meaning and tone of the entire thread.

Then they bring in the accusations - and to be fair if Ohsalome DID claim that the dead in Palestine were fake, that would be super fucked up - and Anathema jumps in to back them up, responding exclusively to a misrepresented quote, not the original, and not the context of the original. They're specifically mad about quotation marks implying that there are no dead Palestinian babies, which - Again - were placed as scare quotes by Arabian Knight, not Ohsalome.

Anathema then takes another step to move the argument into emotions and morals by citing their own reaction to images they have seen.

See how fast it's turned into emotions? You already know that pivoting into emotions is a super effective way to manipulate someone. In this case, it took a post about hey, we really gotta prevent Trump winning, and made it into whether those people therefore, personally support murdering babies. You make that jump with emotion. Anything else, and people notice it.

Now.

I got tagged into this despite getting skipped by the misquote kefuffle. Here's what the new contender, Wet Paint, said, and the grab of what I'd said in my response.

This time, its not a misquote or a modification of a quote. Props for that. Yeah, it skips the context of the rest of the comment, but that's the nature of pulling quotes. Which is why you have to get in the habit of going back to the source to check context. I know its obnoxious, especially in the age of paywalls, but. do it anyway.

What Wet Paint does instead is create a false dichotomy. If I thought it was done intentionally, I'd almost be proud, because my post IS talking about a dichotomy... but not the one they are. I was talking about how its going to be Trump or Biden. A dichotomy.

They remade it into a zero sum scenario where it is Biden or Palestine. They've added the assumption that by saving American lives, you are killing Palestinians. There are times when that situation exists, so, this can easily sound like something you should stop and consider. And honestly? Do that. Pause, consider, and when you do, go chase down the source and see if you're missing something.

If a situation is as clean cut as 1 for 1 exchange of life, holy fuck, grab a pitchfork and give me a call so I can grab mine.

I'm not repeating my statements from that post. That's not the point right now. I just wanted to talk about how arguments get shaped and twisted online.

If I was a russian actor, and I wanted to manipulate this conversation to divide voters and increase Trump's odds of winning, the above is a really good starting point for how to do it.

#oh tumblr #analysis #instead of getting into a fight #I decided to write an essay on debate and distraction tactics #but this really is a clear example #if I wanted to divide Biden supporters #this is how I'd do it for sure #I'd use fewer random insults though bc that throws more people off #principles - Strife

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thrilll-killl · 2 years

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Honestly, the way things worked back in the 2010-2014's Creepypasta Fandom really reminds me of how the Sonic Fandom is.

The Sonic Fandom has a lot of different branches of canon: the big obvious ones were Archie Comics and those who followed the canon established in the games. There were many more different universes as well, but the post of this post isn't to go off about Sonic- I'm comparing their fandom to Creepypasta.

Despite the similarities, there's a key difference between the Sonic and Creepypasta Fandoms: Sonic has established, clear cut differences from one universe to another- and Creepypasta is only an internet based fandom that only goes by "word of mouth" and has no actual structure to it.

Creepypasta has always had different branches of the fandom: there were people who solely liked the characters and did their own things with them, and then there were others who liked webcomics such as "Pastamonsters". "Pastamonsters" being a REALLY BIG ONE because that's what initially drew a lot of people into the fandom in the first place, it's where a lot of the memes and jokes where coming out of. People have taken great inspiration from the "Pastamonsters" webcomic SO MUCH that even people who have NEVER READ THE WEBCOMIC are seeing BEN as being a "depressed stoner"- because this idea of him has ONLY been popularized because of this comic's influence.

This is why "Jeff is 20 and this and that" doesn't work. Those who were ACTUALLY in the fandom back in the day when "plagiarized 2011 Jeff" was popular and the only wide-spread known Jeff at the time (and still is lol)- and also because..

Jeff is just a character concept- he HAS no actual canon outside of the fact that he's a character that's been popularized to kill people. People are constantly making up different versions of him, he is only a viral ""creepy"" image that others are free to have their own interpretations of. Whoever wrote for him "first" really doesn't matter at this point, because they're all just different versions of the same character.

Another comparison to bring up is Alice in Wonderland. There's the one everyone knows from Disney who is a bright girl who fell down a hole chasing after the white rabbit, and then the one from "Alice: Madness Returns" who suffers from mental illness and is in general a more dark take on the original story. Both versions are NOT the original though, they are simply just that: different takes on a an already existing concept.

In short: what's canon in ONE UNIVERSE, will NOT BE in ANOTHER.

Creepypasta as a fandom is a chaotic hot mess as a result of this. This is exactly why so much misinfo is spread, because nothing is actually established like there is with other fandoms- people assume that Creepypasta works like other fandoms when it really doesn't.

However, even back in those times- the grand majority of fans have always respected other versions/takes/aging up and whatever other changes others had made on these characters. Back then, people would be fans of Pastamonsters, and multiple other webcomics- BUT also do their own thing. And then, there would be others who didn't partake in the enjoyment of Pastamonsters but still respected others while ALSO doing their own thing. There would be those who liked to create and indulge in other people's Fanpastas, and others who would stick to the Classicpastas. Ship wars were present sometimes, but honestly, which fandom didn't have ship wars? Overall, it was still a very fun fandom to be a part of WHEN surrounded by those who were actually having fun and being respectful with one another.

It seems that overtime, those ideals have been lost in the Modern Fandom (2015-Present).

Don't get me wrong. There were a few loud people who liked to bash and rag on others for "nOt pOrTrAyInG ThE chARaCTERS THE wAy I vIeW tHEm", they would make hate blogs and EVERYTHING too. But they were usually ignored by the grand majority- because they weren't the ones who actually created anything for themselves, but expected others to do so. There was also the whole "Nina the Killer" incident that happened back then, which is a classic example of this extending out to even fan characters made simply for one's own enjoyment rather than others.

And obviously nowadays in this modern fandom for Creepypasta- those types of people are all over the place.

If anything, it's gotten worse now that "It's Creativity, Not Reality" (Fiction=/=Reality) is largely ignored DESPITE it needing to be a stance the fandom NEEDS TO TAKE. There are still those who think these characters are real and are generally being dumbasses over fictional content, and fandom doesn't exist to be a breeding ground for morons.

They have no idea what the fandom actually is, or how it actually was back then- and in hindsight, it sucks to be them.

#thrill.txt #honestly rambling but this has always been on my mind since i came back so i felt obliged to finally write this down

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