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#this IS a convo adam and gansey would have tho
piningeddiediaz · 3 years
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Ok hear me out i really dont want to seem like i diminish the friendship between h and r, or the brotherly relationship between d and r but like….. people seem to forget that h and r only met literally 2-3 months ago. Yes i know love and friendship can grow fast but people act as if they’re bffs already like no? They have stuff in common OBVIOUSLY and they go through quite some stuff together but they dont really know each other that well and they are barely alone to have a real conversation. That is not to say i dont love them and im happy for their blooming connection and friendship and that they have someone to talk to. And when people melted over declan remembering that r wanted to be a farmer i mean????? Thats literally the only possible outcome for r right now/when he quit aglionby and the only thing he wanted to be so obviously anyone would remember? Of course it’s a very delicate convo they’re having but idk i thought it was blown out of proportion a bit?
hi anon! I do see where you're coming from. the reason hennessy and ronan's friendship dynamic immediately stuck out to me in cdth was because they are. well for the lack of a better analogy they seemed like the same people in different fonts. they both give each other as good as they get. they have this animosity thing going on where hennessy doesn’t quite hate ronan, but thinks of him as being extremely privileged. it always comes back to the idea of alone vs lonesome. we know, having seen ronan across six books (so far) that ronan feels lonesome. he has powers no one understands, including him. he wants a community where he can belong. he’s never alone, exactly, because he does have a great support network and people who care about him very much, but if you look at it from hennessy’s pov, ronan is extremely lucky. i can’t find the page anymore, but there’s that whole inner monologue where hennessy thinks about how really, ronan isn’t alone at all. he has a brother who is willing to do anything to protect him. he has friends who are willing to look into something in the middle of night while on vacation for him. he has a loving boyfriend he will not stop bringing up literally two seconds after meeting her. hennessy herself had a mother who did not love her, a father who sounds like he didnt give a shit. all she had were the girls she dreamt, and all of them want to leave her. ronan has what hennessy wants, and there’s a part of her that resents him for it. and honestly, i didn’t clock that until they have the adam conversation. but the reason i like their dynamic so much is because despite this bitterness they have, they are very protective of each other. hennessy defends ronan with bryde, she brings bryde’s attention to herself instead to spare ronan. ronan tries to keep the lace out himself so that hennessy can dream peacefully. they’re like siblings who want mum and dad to like them more, but won’t let the other one get into trouble either. so i do see what you mean - they’re not bffs in the traditional sense but i do think they have a pretty solid foundation to be good friends in the future books and I think after the kind of friendship Ronan had with gansey or Adam or Noah or even blue, perhaps it seems like his friendship with hennessy hasn't matched up to that level. they hit off amazingly from the start, and tho mi complicates things a bit it does have bryde being that annoying parent who tries to make them be each other’s competition. maybe they’re not the gangsey level of friendship yet (and probably shouldn’t be - the gangsey may be an epic friendship but aren’t exactly healthy by normal standards lol) but i am excited to see how their dynamic develops in the next book. 
the declan thing i have to disagree with, mostly because i am an absolute sucker for platonic relationships and in particular declan lynch. extremely unpopular opinion, but I liked declan since trb. like, of course Declan wants his underage brother to not street race. of course he wants to make sure his underage brother who is living in a bachelor pad is looking after himself. of course he wants his brother to get an education and build a future for himself. of course he wants him to keep his head down and not attract attention to himself since there are people who would kill to have his power. it was so amusing to see declan show himself to be a great big brother time and time again and people hate on him lol. anyways, the point of that is that declan has always had to choose between being ronan’s parent and being ronan’s brother, and to him being his annoying parent was better. declan’s priority was never being liked by ronan, or keeping ronan or himself happy - his priority has been to keep ronan alive, to make sure ronan actually has a future. declan wanted Ronan to move on and leave the barns behind, maybe a bit because he wanted to leave it behind himself and couldn't do it as long as ronan wouldn't, but I think even declan to an extent knew that as long as ronan is stuck at the barns, he is going to be stuck in his past and all he is going to see every day is niall lynch’s bashed up head on the driveway. for Declan, that is ensuring ronan’s safety and wellbeing, for Ronan, that is Declan not understanding him and what he wants and instead imposing what he thinks is right on him. neither of them are wrong exactly, but it does mean that their relationship is virtually non existent. Ronan doesnt think Declan cares about him or what he wants or anything. he’s been seeing Declan as the villain in his story for so long he stopped seeing it from any other pov. so that’s why Declan remembering he wants to be a farmer, he wants Adam, was so big for Ronan. because it’s not just Declan saying ‘yeah I remember this is the profession you wanted fine go ahead’ or even Declan proving he actually listens to Ronan. it’s Declan saying ‘I understand you. I understand what you want, what you've always wanted. you think no one knows what your future is, but you have always known it. I have always known it. don’t throw it away.’ so much of ronan’s arc in this series is his need to be understood, and this was the first indication he got that declan always did. 
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piningeddiediaz · 3 years
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I personally think Pynch anniversary is November 2nd because 1st is ronans bday and idk they kissed and all and probably talked through the night and i think it makes sense that the anniversary would be November 2 but thats just me. They’re basically together now for 1 yr and idk 1-2 months. Since they got together 1 yr before adam left and now it’s November/December again.
I have a question btw. Why do you think so many people seem to dislike Adam and/or Declan? I mostly am following pynch / Adam blogs but i see a lot of negativity too and idgi.
I personally like gansey and blue for example even tho they’re not perfect but actually no character is, not even adam even tho i love him dearly. But so much of the stoey happens bc of adam and idk…
Also I hate kavinsky apologists or people who say ronan had a crush on him wtf 😳 like. No. Kavinsky was disgusting and yeah maybe lost too but an asshole nonetheless. Ronan was already riding his crush on adam wave and he def wasnt interested in kavinsky except for the racing and dreaming convos ?! Sorry brain dump
yeah, I suppose that makes sense. depends on when you define their anniversary ig? is it an anniversary when you first kiss? when you admit feelings? when you officially declare you are together? I sure as fuck wouldn't know!
and oh boy, I have thought about why people hate Adam a lot and I think Adam perfectly described why in trb - "rags to riches isn't a story anyone wants to hear until after its done." I can't speak for everyone, but it wasn't until end of trb/start of dream thieves that I started to like Adam. I liked gansey immediately, but barely skimmed over adam's chapters until we got to his "what do you want, Adam? to feel awake when my eyes are open" because suddenly I could understand with vivid clarity why I was so eager to not pay attention to Adam - it's because he is real. gansey, at least at the start, was not. he was from the get go established to be the typical male lead. handsome, popular, rich. he's privileged but tries to be humble (even when he fails at it), he tries to be a good friend (even tho sometimes he fails at it). gansey was presented to be the kind of protagonist we are all familiar with. we've seen him in nearly every piece of literature. but Adam? Adam is real. Adam is like the average person. he doesnt get to hope for a future, he has to make one. he understands this fact, perhaps more and way earlier than any other person might, and he wont let anything stand in the way. in trb it made him appear to be cruel, because when people read books about friendship they want it to be all or nothing. you would give up your life for your friend. you would give up everything for them. and so the audience, who are already naturally inclined to immediately go towards gansey, are frustrated at Adam because he's your friend! he just wants to help you! it's not until adam's arc ends that people really understand where Adam comes from, why adam does this. you cant give something to someone who has always had nothing and expect them to not think it doesnt come with strings attached. in the real world, it always does. and I think that is why adam's character arc hits all the more. I thought he was an interesting character from the start, but it wasn't until dream thieves, it wasn't until Adam had really really started his character development, that I finally understood. to me, personally, thinking too hard on adam's character was uncomfortable because then I would have to face the reality of life. liking gansey was safer, because he is the prince. the hero. the one you know is going to make it out in the end. the one you're supposed to like. but then Adam, who was supposed to be the side character in gansey's story, makes his own. he becomes the protagonist, takes charge of the story and the narrative - he doesnt just get the title of protagonist, he specifically makes it for himself. and honestly, I dont think adam's absolutely amazing spectacular character development hits as well if you didnt dislike him at the start because, Maggie makes sure you inevitably have an 'oh' moment where you realise that its been about adam parrish all along. its one of the main reasons why I will undoubtedly say Maggie Stiefvater is my favourite author - she is so good at manipulating her readers!
the same goes for declan, I think. we're not supposed to like him, because aside from that one pov he has, we only see him from the perspective of people who don't like him. I personally liked Declan right from the start, but I am in the minority because I know what its like to have to parent your shithead brother because your parents wont. but we were intended to not like declan until we finally saw his story from his pov in the dreamer trilogy. again, expert storytelling by mstief.
(tho if you still dont like declan and adam idk what to tell y'all. maybe reread the book with critical thinking skills?)
and yeah, I have to agree with you there. I have a lot of problems with a lot of things gansey and blue - especially gansey - do (more or less all of dream thieves??? I dont think I will ever forgive gansey for the car convo) but I cant say that makes me hate them exactly, because they are very complex characters.
and yeah dont even get me started on kavinsky. tbh I have his tag blocked and dont ever interact with any k posts. he was gross and disgusting and im glad he died.
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