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#tbh 261 made me love his character more cause of how much there is to unravel (wish i could put it into words šŸ˜­)
jujutsustraycats Ā· 27 days
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Read the new chapter and I don't know how to feel.
Kaiser's disposition and actions are not something I'm justifying at all, but it's not something I can fully blame him for, either.
We saw his backstory in chapter 260. And while 261 has completely changed our attitudes towards him, I still really like his character. It shows a clear representation of trauma and how it can manifest. What I find most interesting, however, is his own admittance to that he's acting exactly like how his own father was towards him. For somebody supposed to be not definable, he's technically trapped within the mindset his father had. Malice. And he knows it, and yet continues. I'm not good at writing analyses out, but I wonder if that can be a plot point further.
Not to mention his treatment of Ness. Poor Ness. I wanna take him away from Kaiser. But I can't get this out of my headā€“ that yeah, he considers Ness "a dog who will submit to his malice", but isn't he technically bound to Ness too? Having to use manipulation tactics to get him, so he could assist Kaiser?
I'm just wishing his character would develop more with how Noa said at the final page to fight with that ego. Soccer was one of the first joys he had, a form of escape, right? Maybe something relating to that awakening?
Chances are, though, if he evolves he's not going to use Ness. I don't know whether he'll get a goal in, though, but if he evolves, chances are Ness will be left behind. As for Ness... I really hope he breaks out of that mindset, cause what the fuck.
I want Ness to fight independently too please please let it happen
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thecrenellations Ā· 3 years
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Return of the Thief Notes, Part Two: The Book of Pheris, Volume 2, Chapters 1-5
Notes from my first read, October 2020. (Part One | Part Three | TaT)
Contents: Me losing my mind in multiple ways each chapter, helpful links, nighttime garden cousins, an Irene pun, notes from my second read,Ā ā€œmwt is just like going for it,ā€ and ā€œthis is so fucked up and heartwarming.ā€
Format: Page number. My thoughts (Context?)
Volume 2
Illustration
Book 2 bro
Now weā€™re caught up and changed forever by lots of things
What printerā€™s apprentice made this?
Elephants!
Chapter 1
175. me too, Costis, me too. I am so tired. (itā€™s hard to sleep when your brain and heart and everything are fizzing because youā€™re reading Return of the Thief for the first time and a new Queenā€™s Thief book for the last time)Ā 
176. Klimun + Gerosthenes vibes [moon doodle]
Holes in documents. Thatā€™s cute
Gen!!! <3
Wtf Ansel was hoodwinked!
177. The Queen waited
Theyā€™re ridiculous
Hi Pheris
Wtf he stole her earrings for Melheret?!?
178. Excuse me??? What is this book (sleeveless leather tunic)
He still roams!!!
Tattoos!
179. a sentence I never fucking expected to read ever ā€œThe absence of tattoosā€¦ā€
180. thatā€™s interesting
Stacked like kindling wow oh dear
181. She wants him to move in lol
Lol sorry Ion
Did she just want them to leave the room?
182. I canā€™t with thisā€¦ I canā€™t. Why is sex symbol Relius canon. (the play that featured him! Itā€™s great, itā€™s great, it was just a lot to take in!)
Silver crown?
183. Cleon! Rude!
Did they call Costis to deck him?
Queen scene!! <3
184. This is an epic. Abt Costis. Dirty stranger
185. heā€™s ā€œthe high kingā€
Lol
187. prophet (Pheris sure makes Costis sound like one)
Shut up Piloxides
188. resources for war! (book launch foreshadowing part two! She talked a lot about this kind of thing as well, and recommended the book Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army)
189. ā€œweā€
What were you gonna say (Gen almost says something to Costis part one)
193. RIP The Magus Archives ā€¦ it was not to be. Yet.
194. Melenzeā€™s doorstep. Why? Bc Melenze is Ferriaā€™s dog. (idk dude that line from ACoK has just never left me)
195. This is ā€¦ a big war
196. Oh gen
Nighttime garden cousins.
Chapter 2
197. wtf did Relius think of that play
Also ā€¦ not a peep from the sacred mountain huh
198. wtf will happen with Cleon
with Erondites
with THE MOUNTAIN
a lot going on
everyone was in that room but Kamet! So close!
199. Cute Fordad + Gen friendship (I never said these notes would make me look smart)
Same 2 T + R! :) Itā€™s not them is it? (I NEVER SAID THESE NOTES WOULD MAKE ME LOOK SMART)
Poor Teleus
200. gdi Gen
Excuse me? Is he worried for Pheris??? (taking his tablet)
They trust each other! Cā€™mon!
Sure he has reasons
202. oh dear. :( thatā€™s ā€¦ the worst cover story
Also falling
203. wow almost like a story huh
Ulaā€™s altar :(
Why havenā€™t we had a Gen and Costis scene IN THREE BOOKS
205. I just ā€¦ I donā€™t know if heā€™s just miserable or if itā€™s all a plan. I feel like I should know itā€™s all a plan. But he really feels like he has far to go. Heā€™s just a mess and the same and so different. (having a small Gen meltdown)
205. he did give him the gun
Odd that he missed Quedue
206. heā€™s gonna bite them (buckle up! itā€™s abdication time!)
207. Power. Power. Power. Power.
Thx 4 the editorializing Pheris
208. Gen is making choices. Thatā€™s a choice.
209. Thereā€™s KoA down the drain
Aaaand heā€™s Eugenides
ā€œEugenides stared into the futureā€
The page of like 3 different tumblr posts: Trophy husband, Library, No! yes!
210. make sure he doesnā€™t leave lol
211. Pheris :(
Also fucked up timing for Irene
I love them
212. again with the birthday book
Heā€™s still the king in the narration
Go on the roof! So close!
213. EUGENIDES IS ALWAYS APPROPRIATE my motto
Viper! Bastard!
Oh shit. I love them.
214. ā€œour treatyā€ ā€œour queenā€
AAAH! Wedding night!
Asked her to leave!
Smash Erondites and peace out, literally
215. a frank talk
HE SAID IT.
216. The Bructs?
Wait is this his grandfather (taking a moment to remember all about Susa)
Also thatā€™s Costis territory
217. who is this lion
218. #3 to Gen.
219. hmmm ring
Thereā€™s been a lot to unpack wow.
Did this happen, Pheris? Pheris?!Ā 
220. AttƩ attƩ!
(Dear reader: for some strange reason, I completely forgot about taking notes on the final pages of this chapter. These notes are from when I reread those pages a few minutes later.)
Erondites full cup to brimming
The Pherisesā€¦
We must think of others before ourselves ā€¦ occasionally
I do not like Orutus
Donā€™t fence Costis in! Does this count as prison? No (I had a square on my bingo board forĀ ā€œsomeone ends up in prisonā€ ... but it turned out to be for someone else)
221. damn Costis
Aaah
Costis ā€¦
Ireneā€¦ your jokes (I mean, itā€™s a joke, but also it is very real for her.)
SHE SAID IT!
My heart
222. where is Relius going?
SPYING
What you see and what you think it means (I love these instructions/this quote so much)
So are Susa + Erondites 2gether or what (listen ... proximity generates meaning in these books)
Also, like
What can
I say
WHAT CAN I SAY (Hell yeah! Never more glad to be wrong about the magus)
[page long list of doubles and parallels - from Cleons and Pherises and Ions to god-character and character-character connections]
Also the fact that in KoA and TaT Relius was like ā€¦ oh ā€¦ no ā€¦ I just live a gentle life being friends with my king and queen and being scholarly. But no. Heā€™s SPYING and TRAVELING MYSTERIOUSLY and has MANY LOVERS and also has been WITH TELEUS ALL ALONG and there is a PLAY written about him and he has a ~messenger~ network and PLAYS THE FLUTE and DOESNā€™T MAKE HIS BED and DISLIKES MATH and oh and heā€™s VERY HANDSOME! (Yes I was losing it, I hope my note from after the poem helps show some of the feelings behind this rant.)
Fucking ā€¦ Wine shop. Should have known.
Chapter 3
224. ominous
Hello magus!
Sophos ā€¦ babe (his impatience!)
225. Magus ā€¦ cool your socks thatā€™s your bff (heā€™s just describing Helenā€™s dead body! Fun!!!!)
In the van
That was good I love them
Why is it Couples Hour?
226. finally weā€™re out of the capital of Attolia
Ok theyā€™re so cute
She was NEVER Helen in ACoK narration!Ā 
Also ā€“ Pheris. This is all Pheris. (Pheris plus information others told him!)
227. Bringing each other up to date ā€“ thatā€™s their thing. Talking forever
All this talk of shooting Therespides
228. EX FUCKING SCUSE ME (time to learn a lot about the country of Eddis)
He was 15! (or almost 15)
He didnā€™t know! Or did he!
The MoW!
All thru Pheris
Fuck you magus
When did he know
229. EXCUSE ME
The emeralds?
Assumed the worst?
That classic quote about little to do with winter but with ā€œseducing other peopleā€™s loversā€
230. yeah Sophos thatā€™s a lost cause (ā€œspare me my blushesā€)
Also she didnā€™t answer you
What are they laughing about (the generally nameless men weā€™re learning many things about this chapter)
233. Gen I think itā€™s fair to say that was a mistake
234. wtf Gen
GEN! he just. Had those. (the jewels!)
Her crown
I cannot
235. Gen!
237. Crash
Her CHANGES
238. THESE TWO
239. called annux
Yeah itā€™s like ā€¦ a family meeting (the war council)
Bring your father to work day
241. Oh no.
Stenides! Boagus!!!!!!!
EDDIS!
Wolves! Lol
mwt is just like going for it
243. aww
Eddis > Boagus > Gen
244. Yeah Iā€™m with her on this. (ā€œif that doesnā€™t frighten you, it shouldā€)
Chapter 4
245. Gen and Magus scene yes!
Two people affected by his long hair (Gen and the magus? I think?)
Pheris are you there?
Gen ā€¦ you used to wish yourself out of existence
Wow
Hair vanity
Yeah also battlefield
Ion is a darling tbh
248. Is he. Is he going to fight all of them
Also they are all his cousins huh
AULUS! I liked you!
Same, Hilarion
Taking a page out of Costisā€™s book?
You have definitely seen it before. (I mistook his lie for truth!)
Will Costis hear about this? (please)
249. #4 to Gen!
Pheris where are you
Why doesnā€™t the Continent want to conquer them (do I get partial credit for this)
A tattoo!
250. ā€œDo not offend the godsā€
Honestly ā€¦ too bad Helen DIDNā€™T do this
251. he said heā€™d give all he had
Iā€™m sure there are rules
253. Just men? :( (let everybody fight him!)
Ornon is back! I mean, of course he is
Also yea they practice
HELLO ORNON
A house being built ā€¦ or one knocked down. Nice
Is Teleus in on this?
254. Pheris called him my king!
255. I wanna know which guards though
:( heā€™d been faking
Kicked him in the head (ouch)
256. ā€œwhen he fellā€
I ā€¦ donā€™t like this
He never gives up. The thieves donā€™t have limits. They have flash points.
Stepped on his hand
ā€œEnough Genā€ ā€“ what Irene said?
257. :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
The magus. I forgot he was there.
The magus said ā€¦ nevermind ā€¦
The magus is probs very into this as a cultural thing. Also he was talking to the MoW
Pigeon. The sky. :( Like in TT (OH BOY, THE SKYYYY)
If there was a god, Pheris would seeā€¦
258. Theyā€™ve, theyā€™ve been through a lot.
Oh god whatā€™s next
259. I ā€¦ no. not in his arms to the palace.
The palace whereā€¦.
The stairsā€¦
They are all 3 lookers. Basilisks and brass and lead
I hate this. But I love this.
I will someday see this differently.
Ah yesā€¦ the grunt. Approval.
260. Honestly, this is so fucked up and heartwarming. These books.
Lol donā€™t defend Hilarion, we know him
Eddis visits him.
Attolia watches him.
261.WTF Gen. I knew it. Why.
Crying or laughing? Crying? :(
How does this not undermine her now that he is her king?
But ā€¦ what he wouldnā€™t do for her.
262. ā€œhe did fineā€
This book is likeā€¦ Reasons Gen Says Sorry
So, soā€¦ - Helen
GEN!
263. I am right. I am always right. Itā€™s a curse.
Helen :( :( :(
The amount of times these people have seen him beaten.
Heā€™s like ā€¦ self destructive, but in a way that gives himself more power. Which he hates.
Gen, let them in. Let them in.
Chapter 5
264. honeycomb
OH NO. is it happening?
266. Iā€™m just supposed to accept this?!! What does it mean?!
267. ā€¦ a my king moment ā€¦ important
But like ā€¦ now can he fight?
Caryatid? [doodle after I looked it up]
268. Teleus!
Cā€™mon Teleus. Everyone you love or respect loves him!
Honestly Pheris and Teleus ā€¦ not a duo I expected
THESE TWO ARE SO DEDICATED TO TELLING HIM THAT! Ok I should chill. At least he said ā€œmay.ā€ These are like ā€¦ Pherisā€™s life lessons.
Honestlyā€¦ I love that Teleus likes poetry, or at least likes it for Relius.
269. Lol Legarus. Itā€™s been years! I mean, I guess that was a big deal for himā€¦ (almost being executed is a big deal for most people.)
Does he not love Gen because of Relius? Because Gen manipulated him? Because he keeps sending away his successor? Why on earth not! Hop on that train! (...)
Itā€™s interesting that their relationship is the one that touches Pheris, not Gen and Irene. Hm.
Also ā€¦ ā€œIdiot.ā€ The parallels.
ā€œrelatively gentlyā€ (itā€™s so good)
~Teleus here to talk about love~
This book is full of surprises.
270. That is NOT the bright side, Gen (ā€œI could use my newfound authority to insist on going into battleā€)
271. BUNNY! Wtf is a wineglass warrior
Very cute everyone, good job.
Still sad about Helenā€™s tears.
271. Gen. Donā€™t say these things. [volcano doodle]
272. SEE I was worried about this! The doubt!
I am not ok
This is TOO MANY Eddisian Revelations (Lader time)
Yeah. Wow.
273. Cleon x5
I ā€¦ his grandfather
No.
Baby Helen begging
How did Pheris get this scene
Gen chose Cleon for his plan
275. IRENE WITH THE STATS!
276. lol Gen
My brother Sounis!
277. Missing Relius club.
Where is he though
Yes! Sophos Gen food fight!
Grapes!
ā€œWisdomā€
Heā€™s ā€œthe kingā€ here and in KoA bc thatā€™s the story but also thatā€™s who he is to Pheris and Costis
278. So how did that Irene and MoW meeting go anyway?
How does Aulus know???
Thief short story! Probably terrible to reread, oh no
279. Are ā€¦ are Aulus and Boagus together???! (ā€œhis slightly smaller partnerā€)
This feels ā€¦ potentially traumatic ā€¦ but fun? Idk
Fleece
280. This dang book. No rules!
The chandelier! So dramatic!
Mwt had ā€¦ a lot to put into this one. A lot. A lot.
283. ā€œnot the Thief he was chasingā€
284. The queens! The salute!
He canā€™t give this up.
Official Worries:
100,000 soldiers heading towards Kamet
Re: Lyopidus, Gen called Sophos his brother. Helen apparently might BE his sister. Temenus and Stenides are also going to a war where 9/10 will probably die.
Also
the MoW could have been a king if heā€™d stolen Helenā€™s throne. A lot there.
why does this book have the vibe of the library post, my comic from 2010, the king and queen interactions here, and the military tactics dream
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