Most Mariali stuff pains me bc it hinges on Marisa's agency in the relationship 90% of the time. Alice is barely her own character in both fanon and canon, so her characterization is at the mercy of what makes Marisa relevant.

Early touhou fandom esp blew this out of proportion, not allowing the poor white woman to exist seperate from Marisa 😭 This is why i'll never be able to fully enjoy Mariali outside of my own way of seeing them that goes against the common depiction of them at the time