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#shiv and Rome were literally girls together
lucyghoul · 7 months
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rhaenicent is shivrome and daemyra is shivken
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naivety · 2 years
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celebration, 2x01 succession / jennifer s. cheng, so we must meet apart; “august 24, 2018” / all the bells say, 3x09 succession
#hbo succession#web weaving#mini web weaving my beloved <3#feeling normal about shiv roy succession and her grief in this chilis tonight#idk if the screenshots highlight what i want to highlight but i can't stop thinking about like#kendall and rome holding each other together#while shiv visibly takes several steps across the room the moment her tears start to swell#and it's not even to cry in private she literally spends the whole time standing there before tom comes up trying to pull herself together#and she Does#crying is clearly something not allowed in the roy household a la season 1 episode fucking 1 to kendall#and i'm sure the boys especially weren't allowed to cry because they were Boys#but at the same time?? i'm sure every time shiv cried as a child oh it's to be expected from the only girl#and if she ever wanted to compete with her brothers not only could she not cry she had to cry even less than they did#because she was set off from the starting line behind them from the get go#if she ever wanted to compete with her brothers she couldn't just be like them she had to be Better she had to be Worse#she had to make it up to her dad for being a woman and it's why she in so many ways is the most like logan out of all his kids#it's why out of connor and kendall and roman i imagine she'll be the hardest to wrangle out of this race logan's put them in#connor's basically been out since pre canon even if he peeks back in every once in a while it's not with any real conviction to the game#3x01 phone conversation logan calling connor his number one and connor's specific reaction i am looking at you#all of canon so far has been ken's journey sort of unravelling from it all both by choice and not#but i feel like after 3x08 it would... be surprising if he ever plays again. like he might idk but i can't see that conviction ever returnin#roman's desire for their father's love and approval was literally thrown back in his face right in front of him lol#and i feel like he's never been in the game not truly. he never really tried to care about Business as much as learned which hoops#he should be jumping through if he has a chance at his father's love#but shiv. like i guess we'll see in season 5 but i. am imaging many scenarios in which logan gets a facefull of his own medicine hsdfkjs#like she is her father' daughter this is who he made in his image and she is just as angry and spiteful and bitter as he is#i would like to see it. also i hate it#also i want to see her crumble like a little leaf and ugly cry like kendall's gotten to on multiple occasion etc#i want to die btw
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calamity-bean · 4 years
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Maybe it’s just cause they’re my two favorite Roys individually but I LOVE the dynamic between Shiv and Roman... It’s so distinct, imo, from the way they act with Kendall or Connor. Like, all four have their own moments of intimacy, of course, but I feel like there’s often this distance with Ken and Con — Con because he’s just so much older, of course, too old to have grown up as their peer, and Ken perhaps because even though closer in age, he was still the eldest of the trio that were actually kids together, with the sort of de facto leader status that often brings. Shiv and Rome, though? They’ve got that... raised as a unit vibe. That vibe like they truly grew up together, went through the same life stages back to back, were always each other’s primary competition but also primary collaborator. Like, the way they can be literally brawling in one scene yet skulking around all super buddy-buddy in the next? It’s that mix of highly combative yet highly clannish that you get sometimes, I think, with sibs who are raised in constant friction with each other. I think all this is why even though Kieran and Sarah have five years between them, I like to headcanon that for Shiv and Roman, the age gap is more like two, probably the smallest gap among the sibs. They just feel the most like the same age to me.
...But regardless of how close they are in actual age, what it all really comes back to is position in the family hierarchy, right? At least until very recently, it doesn’t seem like Shiv or Roman ever got treated as heir apparent the way Ken was around the start of the series and Con presumably was in his youth until, at some point, he essentially abdicated and/or Kendall eclipsed him. Shiv got the paradox that comes with being the only girl: on a pedestal because she’s daddy’s little princess, but undervalued in a lot of practical and professional regards because sexism. Roman, as a son, doesn’t suffer from Logan’s sexism, but he’s the third son, and by that point, who cares? A third son’s just a spare spare. In this family, neither position seems to come with the same privileges or the same pressures as being the firstborn boy (which, lbr, is often how Kendall’s regarded even if it’s not quite fact). And I wonder if maybe that made a huge difference in the way Con and Kendall were raised versus the way Shiv and Roman were raised and perhaps informs why the two youngest seem to have an especially tight (and volatile) bond.
Idk, I just... love their slap-fights and their scheming and their palling around together and the way they act like five-year-olds when they bicker! Feels organic. Feels siblingy.
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