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american-adventurers-guild · 4 years

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if a way back to earth was found, what would be consequences of such a thing? such as whether or not some people would stay or the landers flipping out because the adventurers are bailing out on them.

Thanks for your patience! Work bled outside of work hours this week.

So! Wild Mass Guessing time! IMO, the consequences would depend on what type of a “way back to earth” is discovered, and there are three options: 1) mass reversal of the Catastrophe; 2) individual one-way street back to earth; 3) individual two-way street back to earth. Most of these are also predicated on all parties knowing the terms involved (which is unlikely, but who knows). Let’s explore!

1) Mass Reversal of the Catastrophe. Essentially, someone slams the reset button or smashes the applied phlebotinum, and voila! All the Adventurers are back on earth, and no one gets a choice. The Lander reaction here is simple - either they think all the Adventurers are bailing out and there will be no more (and so flip out and try to stop it, with a smaller portion saying “good riddance”) or the effect reversal is known AND explained and they’ll go back to normal operations as a video game. In which case (probably unsaid to the Landers), they won’t care anymore, because from both Lander and Adventurer perspective the other party is now back to being mindless. Now it’s POSSIBLE that things won’t work out like that, but if things don’t just go back how they were, it’s also possible that the Adventurers are getting shoved back into dead bodies or comatose bodies.

The Adventurer reaction is much more interesting here, because it will either be one or the other - and given it’s not an SAO type situation here (to our knowledge), most Adventurers would resent someone taking that choice from them. There are already indications that a number of Adventurers have much better lives in Theldesia than on Earth (Touya, Nureha, Akatsuki, etc). These people are not going to want to leave, and some may violently oppose it if aware. IMO, this is Nureha’s purpose is in controlling Plant Hwyden to “find the way back.” We’ve been explicitly told that her life on Earth sucked, so it’s likely that she’s plotting for her worst case scenario (this one) in order to put herself in control of that reset button, so no one else can press it. Of course, those with strong feelings for family members left behind or traumatized by Theldesia may fight equally hard for the way home. The more violence and “death” there is over this, however, the fewer motivating memories people have to return for...

2) Individual One-way Street. They find a portal or ritual that can return an Adventurer back to earth. They will never be able to come back. Adventurers first this time. Where is it? Depending on the cost involved and scarcity (high-level quests, rare materials, etc), there may be both competition and cooperation to get people back to earth. Those who want to stay might monetize their aid; those who want to leave may band together to achieve the goal. If an individual Adventurer has left significant loved ones or goals and projects behind on earth, they’re going to choose to go back, even if, like Kanami, they really enjoy the world of Theldesia. Adventurers who had shitty lives will stay. Adventurers who have died too many times in Theldesia and have forgotten details that would make them care about earth will stay. Adventurers who don’t particularly care either way will stay, due to effort. If enough people from one guild leave, the whole guild will return to earth, or it will break down and integrate with those who are staying. The reverse is true too - I imagine if the bulk of Log Horizon chose to stay, so would Shiroe and Naotsugu, even if they have loved ones at home.

This one makes Lander response a bit more nuanced! The Adventurer population now turns into a finite resource that will decrease as time passes (unless Adventurers can have children, which has been… somewhat hinted at?). And hey! That’s our protection from the monsters who go bump in the night! Some very short-sighted and stupid Landers may try and threaten or force individual Adventurers to stay, or control the method of return (if known). Smarter ones will compete to sweeten the deal (and relationships) enough to tie Adventurer cities, guilds, or just individuals to the Lander population, so they’re willing to stay. Some nobles might try to take Adventurers on as part of their retained military force; others may try to build relationships to entice them to stay (Demikaas and his Lander wife, though likely not intended in this manner). It might also increase competition between Lander societies with regards to the location of Adventurers on a server (like the cities that bid for Amazon to host their headquarters there).

3) Individual Two-way Street. This is the most ideal outcome, but also raises the most questions. Where is it? How many? Who has access? Adventurers AND Landers? Is it expensive (in terms of materials or difficultly)? Can people from Earth cross to Theldesia? Will they be Adventurers too, or Landers? Do Adventurer’s abilities go away when they return to Earth? Can you carry *stuff* over too? Creatures?

For Adventurers, there’s no real dilemma outside how much it costs, who controls it, and whether people from Earth can come to Theldesia (Kanami’s kid). That last is a big one, because it potentially opens up Theldesia for exploitation and greedy capitalism, depending on who’s in the Know. Shiroe would probably be immediately planning for some kind of customs control or limitations on who comes and goes and for what reasons. But the two-way street removes the finality of the choice.

For Landers, the biggest consideration is how that entry point is managed, who wants to exploit it (if trade of some kind can be managed) and the passage of knowledge. Knowledge is the big one, really; exposure to more detailed Earth technologies would likely springboard them forward quite a bit. They aren’t so worried about the Adventurers abandoning them (though there still may be some bribery), but the Nobles may worry about the commoners running away to earth, and also money on their own parts. They may have mixed feelings about the spread of ideas (the commoners are getting Uppity).

Thanks for the ask! If you or anyone else has additional thoughts, please feel free to add!

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minnastream · 4 years

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Log Horizon: 2×18 In the wake of Nureha's disappearance from the train, Loreil begins a frantic search for her. Meanwhile, Izuzu and the others explain to Roe 2 and Dariella of their quest goal.

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recentanimenews · 6 years

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Bookshelf Briefs 11/28/17

It’s a cornucopia of briefs!

Ace of the Diamond, Vol. 6 | By Yuji Terjima | Kodansha Comics (digital only) – Training camp continues, and the coach has arranged for some practice games right afterwards, the better to gauge how well the first years play when exhausted. For Furuya, the answer is initially “not well,” but he never loses his determination, and once he swallows his pride and asks Miyuki for advice, finally internalizes the truth that, at Seido, he’s got teammates who are going to back him up, even if the batter does manage to get a hit. Eijun’s fun and everything, but Furuya is not your typical shounen protagonist, and I’m pleased that he’s getting his share of attention. I also liked that the boys hang out some with varsity teammates we’ve barely glimpsed, and we learn how awesome the captain is. I am already relishing the thought of future marathon rereads of this series. It’s a keeper for sure. – Michelle Smith

Cells at Work!, Vol. 5 | By Akane Shimizu | Kodansha Comics – Once again, Red Blood Cell is absent from this volume except a brief cameo. This allows us to focus our attention on the ‘normal cell’ from prior volumes, who still has a tendency to do dumb things on impulse. Fortunately, the cute adorable bacteria he’s harboring in his room are the GOOD kind of bacteria. Unfortunately, his attempt to get them to where they can do good is thwarted by a host of crises from which White Blood Cell and company must rescue him, most notably the return of Cancer Cell, who brings back the ethical ambiguity to the series as he asks essentially “are the needs of the many less important than the needs of the one?” The one being the body. This was a lot of fun. – Sean Gaffney

Delicious in Dungeon, Vol. 3 | By Ryoko Kui| Yen Press – The cast expands a bit in this third volume. We see one of our team’s old comrades, who left them due to actually wanting to get paid, and the complicated relationship she has with them, particularly Marcille, and it’s made clear she’s not a bad guy—everyone has their own needs and drives. As for Marcille, we also get a flashback to her school days, which shows how she met Laios’ sister (still being digested by a dragon, if you recall), which is rather cute. And of course more ridiculously gross yet amusing monster recipes. And plenty of humor, as it turns out tentacles can be peeled sort of like bananas. Still good, though I’d like to get the sister rescued or declare her dead. – Sean Gaffney

The Full-Time Wife Escapist, Vol. 6 | By Tsunami Umino | Kodansha Comics (digital only) – It was inevitable that Mikuri and Hiramasa would discover that they are in love with each other, but I am still kind of surprised that it actually happened. It’s lovely to see him grinning like a doofus at the office after an evening of fooling around, but I appreciate that the transition into a real marriage isn’t exactly going to be smooth. Mikuri is worried, for example, that she’ll be expected to do the same amount of work for free, while Hiramasa worries about his waning sex drive. Somehow I doubt we’ll ever see the latter issue addressed Everyone’s Getting Married! I also really enjoyed the scenes where Mikuri’s aunt and Kazami get to know each other better—I wholeheartedly approve of them hooking up! – Michelle Smith

Haikyu!!, Vol. 17 | By Haruichi Furudate | Viz Media – And so our heroes pull it off, and get to advance, while Aoba Johsai has to suffer an ignominious defeat. This is done in the best possible shonen way, with lots of noble tears and resolve to get even stronger. The cliches don’t FEEL like cliches—the author is adept at making this feel fresh even when you know where every plot beat is going to be. And so it’s on to the finals, and I suspect this game may drag on a while, as it’s a best 3-sets-of-5 game. Their opponent is Shiratorizawa, who I’m sure we’ll find out more about as we move on, but who clearly have one player who’s REALLY good, and the volume ends with our heroes down by quite a bit. I think they’ll come back, though. Just a hunch. – Sean Gaffney

Hana & Hina After School, Vol. 3 | By Milk Morinaga | Seven Seas – This turns out to be the final volume, and honestly you get the sense it was cut a bit short—the last half feels rushed. Of course, considering all we were getting before that was a slow-burning pile of angst, it might be best that it got the push. Morinaga Milk has always been better at fluffy than angsty, so it comes as something of a relief when our two heroines finally get over the whole “is it just me? Did she mean it when she said she’s not that way?” drama and get together (in all respects—as with previous MM titles, there’s a brief, not-that-explicit sex scene here). In the end, this was a cute read, but I’ve seen better yuri from this author. – Sean Gaffney

Horimiya, Vol. 9 | By Hero and Daisuke Hagiwara | Yen Press – Horimiya has always tried to be at least slightly more realistic than a lot of romance manga, and thus watching Yuki’s ongoing angst regarding her lies and deceit and how it’s impacting other people is particularly painful. I’m not really all that sure I want her to win here, even though the alternative will also suck. On the bright side, Hori and Morimiya are doing better than ever, and as Hori is forced to think about her future—something which she seemed to have given not a single thought to—but she realizes here that no matter what she does, she wants to be with Miyamura. This leads to a sort of adorable reverse proposal, which fits the general characterization. Still good, but I hope it’s wrapping up soon. – Sean Gaffney

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders, Vol. 5 | By Hirohiko Araki | Viz Media And so, finally, JoJo’s has run up against my ability to get 500+ words out of each volume. Yes, this is the first volume to get a Brief rather than a full review, and I put the blame entirely on the rambling Road To Cairo plot that Araki has chosen to use this time around. Individual moments are as striking as ever—I felt the killer baby was more interesting as a killer within dreams than in the real world, and the surprise non-death of a character feels a bit cheap. But JoJo’s still has its bizarre visuals and grotesque violence, and as long as it keeps that up it should stay interesting, even if Jotaru continues to be the dullest Jo we’ve had to date. – Sean Gaffney

Kiss & White Lily for My Dearest Girl, Vol. 4 | By Canno | Yen Press – Most sports manga fail to show the heroes moving on to a professional career, with a few exceptions like Captain Tsubasa. In reality, a lot of sports careers end just the way we see Mizuki’s end here—she comes close to the Nationals, but doesn’t make it, and realizes that this is it, she has to stop doing track and decide on an actual career. There’s also her relationship with Moe, which may actually be hindering her for a spell—it’s gotten to the point where she forgets running was fun—but eventually proves stronger than both thought, and we get a proposal (of sorts) and a kiss. This is a bit stronger than Hana & Hina, even if it’s just as fluffy, and I’m pleased to see it continue. – Sean Gaffney

Log Horizon: The West Wind Brigade, Vol. 7 | By Koyuki and Mamare Touno | Yen Press – The comedy is kept to a minimum here, as we get the more dramatic parts of the third and fourth novel, intermixed with how it’s affecting the West Wind Brigade. Kawara’s on the cover, and we get a bit more insight into her character—basically, she’s an instinctual fighter but a bit of an idiot who got into the game because she wanted to be a shonen hero, and the West Wind Brigade was the only one that would take her in. It does also show off her strengths as well, though. That said, easily the most interesting part is the ending, where we get a surprise appearance by a seemingly insane Nureha, who’s met by a battle-crazy Soujiro. I want to see how this battle turns out. – Sean Gaffney

My Hero Academia, Vol. 10 | By Kohei Horikoshi | Viz Media – I appreciate that Horikoshi is willing to let Bakugo be a completely unlikable jerk, driven by rage and jealousy and every single negative emotion, and yet still show that he realizes the difference between good and evil—that he’s decided that he wants to be a HERO rather than a villain, even if that means going against what comes more naturally. It’s a terrific scene that really made me like him. On the flip side, the disguises used to infiltrate Evil HQ are hilarious, particularly Deku and Momo. The humor is needed, as this is something of a grim arc, especially with the arrival of a Bigger Bad towards the end. This volume shows off everything that has made this the hot new Jump title. – Sean Gaffney

Nisekoi: False Love, Vol. 24 | By Naoshi Komi | Viz Media – Even though it’s obvious Onodera’s going to lose, give credit to the author for not making it easy. She and Raku have really developed a close relationship, and even if it’s not romantic I hope they can stay friends. More to the point, the fact that Onodera is willing to help Raku track down Chitoge by FLYING TO AMERICA with him (because Chitoge has, like many tsundere heroines in denial, literally run halfway across the Earth to escape her love issues) shows off her truly ridiculous kindness. There’s the last popularity poll in this book, and Chitoge and Onodera are separated by barely 100 votes. That’s impressive for a harem title. In any case, it wraps up next time, so keep reading. – Sean Gaffney

One Piece, Vol. 84 | By Eiichiro Oda | VIZ Media – It’s been a while since we had a volume that focused on further sad backstory for one of the Straw Hat crew, but that’s what we get here, with many hard-to-read scenes about Sanji’s abuse at the hands of his family, intercut with a silly fight in which Luffy defeats a bunch of cracker soldiers by eating them. Because Big Mom is threatening to kill Chef Zeff if he doesn’t comply, Sanji is forced to both insult and attack Luffy in an attempt to get him to abort the rescue, but of course this doesn’t work. In addition to this riveting drama, there’s also the question of whether Pudding (Sanji’s seemingly sympathetic bride-to-be) can actually be trusted, more information about the ponegliffs (yay!), and a glimpse at the unintended consequences of toppling Doflamingo. Plus, Brook actually gets something important to do! This series is still excellent. – Michelle Smith

By: Michelle Smith

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eleore · 7 years

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Log Horizon, Otoyomegatari and ROOKIES!

Thank you!! Specially for Rookies *--*

LOG HORIZON

the character i least understandTetora, but I guess that is intentional.

interactions i enjoyed the mostIn general, every interaction with Raynesia, but I like Shiroe’s cunning moments.

the character who scares me the mostFrom what I have seen, Indicus. And Krusty.

the character who is mostly like meAkatsuki, Henrietta, and a bit of Maryelle.

one thing i dislike about my fave characterShiroe really needs to care more about his public image, and start trusting those around him more openly.

one thing i like about my hated characterI don’t really hate anyone... Nureha annoys me, I guess? But she seems to be cunning in her own right.

a quote or scene that haunts meThe way the newbies were treated at Hamelin. There are places out there that actually do that. On a happier note, Shiroe’s Batman gambit to buy the hall was awesome.

a death that left me indifferentBoth MC (spoilers) that die at one point; I guess it was supposed to be dramatic, but I knew it was important for them do so so it didn’t bother me that much.

a character i wish died but didn’tWell it’s Log Horizon, most people die at some point... .

my ship that never sailedI’m hoping it won’t be the case with Shiroe and Akatsuki.

OTOYOMEGATARI

the character i least understandAnis.

interactions i enjoyed the mostPariya and Amir, they are adorable. And every scene with Balkirsh.

the character who scares me the mostBalkirsh ahaha. Don’t mess with grandma.

the character who is mostly like mePariya... .

hottest looks characterAs I said, I usually have issues thinking of drawings but... oh dear, Azel, we are all hoping you fall in more streams. He even has an eagle now!!

one thing i dislike about my fave characterI dislike it when characters are presented as “too perfect”.

one thing i like about my hated characterThey had... determination, I suppose.

a quote or scene that haunts meThe only one I can think of that’s not an spoilers is Pariya happily accepting help from her new friends.

a death that left me indifferentNone affected me that much.

a character i wish died but didn’tThe guy who killed Amir’s sisters.

my ship that never sailedNone so far! :D

ROOKIES! (the dorama)

the character i least understandQuite a lot of the teachers, though I suppose they are presented as deliberately unreasonable.

interactions i enjoyed the mostAll scenes played for laughs are pure gold. My fav is “Aniya, pitch to his head” “HUH?!!!”. And the bathroom stall ahaha.

the character who scares me the most... basically all of them when they start getting violent.

the character who is mostly like meMikoshiba, I guess.

hottest looks characterShirota is in this. And well, it’s Shirota.

one thing i dislike about my fave characterI don’t really have a fav, but I wish they were all less violent ;-;

one thing i like about my hated characterThe “silly noise teacher” is quite funny.

a quote or scene that haunts meShinjo, coming to save the day.

a death that left me indifferent... let’s hope it does not come to that.

a character i wish died but didn’tN/A

my ship that never sailedI don’t really ship them that much, but Aniya, you really are dense... .

#ask ele #log horizon #otoyomegatari #rookies #memes #victoriel

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