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Maybe smaller fields were the reason because??? Or maybe they didn't know how to defend back then (some defenders still aren't sure what their role is 👿) it's so funny with Borussia sjsvahahsjshsjsjs

Weirder shit happened so Ancelotti couching Brazil wouldn't surprise me. If Zidane wanted to stay in France then I'd have to respect it, you're right him leading PSG would be hilarious, but I want him back </3

It was serious for Ronaldo lmao, they should've just fought outside the stadium tbh

Arsenal vs Man Utd was jshsushsjwjsusjs Arsenal shooting 25 times and MU only 6?! Winning 3:2, only losing one game so far and only 2 draws? I'm really living in a different reality rn. Heeeeey why do you want me to suffer? Maybe I'll see Arsenal achieve something in CL too 😭😭😭 Chelsea and Liverpool stand up wtf, it's a bit funny ngl

Yeah the vibes definitely off... good riddance then, this is so fucked. Busquets go away challenge

Also William and Harry are very different so that's important to consider, maybe Charles and Harry just aren't compatible as people, both Charles and Will are more robotic to me skshsjhsjshsavavsnja

NCT's concerts are big strip clubs tbh 😭😅 A BIT overpriced if you ask me... SM needs to stop being a monster of capitalism for one second. Literally what I thought about when the Lisa contract thing came out, they're going the football route.

Right what were they thinking making GOT perform their song weeks before the release??? Most people watch that performance since the MV is just boring. Maybe Girls on Top need more appearances, have variety shows like SuperM, idk DO SOMETHING or end this shitshow

Welcome to the Go Eunhyuk simp nation! 🤌🏻❤

Idc about HP anymore, but yeah the first two movies were magical to me! Lmao that's the Wimpy kid? I haven't seen the movies I only read a few books. Right miss Blake is busy making kids 😭 btw I recently re-watched some of Gossip Girl, godddd what a mess, but I lived for the drama. I totally forgot Sebastian Stan was in it

I still have snakes wrapped around my leg permanently, Slytherin through and through lol

I can believe the Pique thing is true, because these people aren't even slick and when you go places you see and hear a lot of shit. I saw so many questionable things in London, lots of open secrets as well 🔫

Ailee changed her photo caption and CB got mad, but yeah girl.... should've just deleted the photo

At least Birmingham has Peaky Blinders, but what does Brampton have?

Baek.... I'll look away from that aunt comment. Hwa's niece biasing the demon line omg. The "Sehun" webtoon is still on-going and I'm reading it, but at what cost 😭

Seonghwa hasn't posted a selfie in ages, word on the street is blonde Hwa is gone I'M COMMITTING IF TRUE 🤧🤧🤧🤧 Mingi's hair is dark too... But as long as no scissors were involved... unless he cut his hair then I'm killing everyone eh, anyways like I said if I can't see blonde Hwa live then no euro Atinys can. Though there are so many ot8 black hair enthusiasts (couldn't be me)

But god, look at this hair here!!!

Kpop stans actually fighting irl is even more hilarious and pathetic 😭

HIM and yeah we can SEE your love for tank tops💀 - DV 💖

helloo!!

no bc how small be these fields actually 😭😭 having that win in today’s football is near impossible, the max ppl can get is, sure, a 8-9 and even a 10 if they have some super team 🤚🏻 NO BC DO U DEE THOSE COMPILATIONS OF OLDER DEFENDERS DOING NOTHING and then see a maradona beating the shit out of them <3 borussia so funny and why’s bayern on top again 😭😭😭 fraud

yeah he’s in the race but im desperately wanting the special one for brazil 😭😭 but i think luis enrique might actually make it fbfb RIGHT FBDB HE HAS EXPERIENCE LEADING RM’S EGO’S PSG’S WOULD BE NOTHING IN FRONT OF HIM, that mashup would be crazy seeing the players too PHEWWW,,, it really was 😭😭😭 i don’t doubt he jumped ramos after bc of his tackle fhekfhkdjcc

arsenal was OUT FOR MAN UNITED, the reality going to turn insane when man city v arsenal happens,,, it’s so funny to watch their matches w everyone esp bc anthony 😭😭 i just know the defence and the strikers are going to go a lil crazy 😭😭 anon u can only hope atp the cl standings are a bit crazy right now,,, man city is right behind arsenal one mistake and arsenal’s ticked off 😭😭 aND NEWCASTLE?? they on a roll 😯😳 silva’s longevity @ chelsea is so insane, best player this season there tbh,,, chelsea has beasts BUT WHAT IS GOING ON

their transfers have been REALLY good maybe it’s the playing style 😭 but why are all these transfer market rumours so wild, theres a messi barca return rumour, him going man city 😭😭😭 neymar following him AND THEY BETTER MOVE BC PSG IS SO FUCKED ronaldo almost going to bayern ???? 😭😭😭 modric w alnassr rejection,, kane and tottenham, love the drama <3

Yeah the vibes definitely off... good riddance then, this is so fucked. Busquets go away challenge

YEAHH,,, esp bc he did on the nye?? + his wife had just lost her mother and they were mourning and this fucker went out and did this ???? hell,, absolute helll,,, prison fc hope they make it to copa del prison <3 18 years prison lessgaurr and this?? 😳😳

Also William and Harry are very different so that's important to consider, maybe Charles and Harry just aren't compatible as people, both Charles and Will are more robotic to me skshsjhsjshsavavsnja

YEAAHHH def not compatible i think, personally i feel more for william not only bc he’s a community favourite (he and kate i find quite lowkey bc they keep quiet and get their work done and go home <3) also bc he had to live his life a certain way bc he’s the heir,,, tbh if i was his sibling id be ecstatic “i get to be rich, live in castles, have fame and not have the responsibilities of an actual heir??? IM IN??” harry missed out bro <3 pls behave urself a little 😭😭 BUT SOPHIE AND EDWARD?? 🤚🏻 actually the best ones out there 🤚🏻

LMFAOOOO YOURE RIGHT AN EXPENSIVE STRIP CLUB 😭😭😭 sm need to stop with the amount of versions they do for groups,, just stuck to 2 and do a repackage of 2 😭😭 DO NOT DO THE RVERY MEMBER GETS ON ITS SO HARD TO COLLECT !!!! and if yg wants to keep bp they have to give them 16mill each??? this is some way to keep them from transferring gbfbf oh to be lisa rn 😭😭

like it’s just makes us be like oh i already heard it, don’t wanna hear it again 😭😭 what a stupid way to promo it,,, YEAH give them a variety show like superm! similar concept like retreat show,, since sm’s now getting a new ceo IT BETTER LIKE EXO, AND GIVE EVERYONE PROMOS AND CONCERTS BC CHRIS LEE CAN GO TO HELL EUNHYUK IM A BIG SIMP FOR YOU SO BAD 😭😭

first two are top tier! last two are elite with storyline !!! YEAH HIM 😭😭 the cast is insanely talented cannot wait for this blockbuster <3 NO SRS PLS BRING BLAKE BACK RYAN HANDLE THE KIDS 😭😭😭 NEED BLAKE IN A ROM COM !!! stop i watched an edit for gossip girl and it revealed who it actually was and as much as the way it’s written, the drama is ELITE nothing can top it actually maybe PLL but 🤚🏻

I still have snakes wrapped around my leg permanently, Slytherin through and through lol //// I can believe the Pique thing is true, because these people aren't even slick and when you go places you see and hear a lot of shit. I saw so many questionable things in London, lots of open secrets as well 🔫

do you speak parseltongue then 👁👁 im gonna need u to tell me them, im actually bri’ish and it would be criminal for u to not say them 🔫 be vague about it 🔫 MY EARS ARE OPEN

Ailee changed her photo caption and CB got mad, but yeah girl.... should've just deleted the photo // At least Birmingham has Peaky Blinders, but what does Brampton have?

YEAAH the explanation was shitty too like srs bro we know 😭😭 FBNWBDEKH HEY THATS NOT EVEN A VALID COMPARISON 😭😭 see brampton might have the actual hells angels groups

Baek.... I'll look away from that aunt comment. Hwa's niece biasing the demon line omg. The "Sehun" webtoon is still on-going and I'm reading it, but at what cost 😭

NO NO ☺️☺️ DO NOT LOOK AWAY ☺️☺️ U SAW IT ☺️☺️ his niece has taste,,, convinced the entire family has atp,, STILL??? AT WHAT COST MY QUESTION EXACTLY 😭😭 but bestie a new webtoon “only hope” and the art is wowzie and it’s spicey <3

dojin <3

GET THE FUCK OUT IS HE BLOND????? if it’s not this i don’t want it see if it’s this anon we are done, euro tinys cannot experience this

IT SHOULD BE US FBWMFBKWBFKW

OH MY GOD,,,, THAT HAIR FOR FREE???? OH MY GOD I HOPE HE KEEPS IT FOREVER PLS 😭😭😭 ITS SO STUNNING

Kpop stans actually fighting irl is even more hilarious and pathetic 😭 /// HIM and yeah we can SEE your love for tank tops💀 - DV 💖

IT REALLY IS FJDJCKC like come on be a class act,, this is why ppl don’t like kpop fans 😭😭 WE CAN SEE THE LOVE FROM MILES AWAY GOD SOMEONE LOCK HIM UP 😭😭

iconic actually

AYO??

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also, nascar or f1?

HELLO????

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walkonwalkonwithhopeinyourheart · 5 years

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Analysis of Klopp's time at Liverpool so far via /r/LiverpoolFC

Analysis of Klopp's time at Liverpool so far

The objectives of this post are:

Demonstrate the progression since Klopp's arrival;

Appreciate what Klopp has done for Liverpool Football Club;

Refute claims by rival fans and some LFC fans, which include:

Klopp is a checkbook manager who got to where he is by splashing cash;

Klopp is a failure because he hasn't won anything yet;

Comparisons will be made with:

Arsenal's current season with Unai Emery (Usually brought up by Arsenal fans)

The state of our domestic rivals during the same period of time (since 2016)

The reason I single out Arsenal here is not that I want to slate them. On the contrary, Arsenal is the only team in the top six other than ourselves that I don't dislike, partly because they were somewhat similar to us in that they are on a drought for the biggest trophies (league titles and Champions League trophies), they have questionable recruitment, they wear red and they didn't really upset me or cause me too much pain in my time as a football fan. For that reason I began to watch AFTV, partly for the banter material, but also to gain some thoughts on their perspectives as fans of another club. In the process, I have become more familiar with Arsenal than I am with other rivals.

[Main stuff starts here]

Klopp was appointed as the manager of LFC in October 2015, after a 1-1 draw at Everton in the 8th match of the PL season. Most of you would be familiar with what happened afterwards:

2015-16: 8th in the league, League Cup finalist, Europa League finalist.

2016-17: 4th in the league, League Cup semifinalist.

2017-18: 4th in the league, Champions League finalist.

2018-19: at the very least, 2nd in the league, Champions League quarterfinalist, both competition we are capable of winning as things stand.

To put things in perspective, these are the seasons immediately before Klopp's arrival (Rodgers in charge):

2014-15: 6th in the league, (8pt off 4th) Champions League Group Stage, Europa League R32, League Cup and FA Cup Semifinalist.

2013-14: 2nd in the league (2pt off 1st)

2012-13: 7th in the league (12 pt off 4th), Europa League R32.

To summarize, we would be in the Champions League group stages for a third season in a row next season after not qualifying for Champions league 6 out of the 7 seasons before 2017-18. We had two deep European runs in two seasons that we were in European competitions that ended in defeat in finals against stronger opposition and amid controversy (That is not to say we would definitely have won if the referees punished Seville for the three handballs in the box, and sent off Ramos for rugby tackles and elbows to the head, but things could be very different), while the previous European finals were in 2005 and 2007 under Rafa Benitez (a somewhat distant past). We lost a League Cup final in a shootout. Even if we would go on and have another trophyless season this year (BTW, the probability of that is around 50% according to 538's probabilities), we would have another serious title challenge (against arguably one of the best teams ever assembled) and another excellent European campaign.

We have reemerged as a massive power in English and European football under Klopp's guidance after years of mediocrity. We are now relevant in the Champions League discussions, people begin to put us in the category of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, and fans of these powerhouses treat us as a threat.

Now, I'll analyze season by season.

2015-16 season was pretty much a free pass for Klopp, as he was appointed midway through the season without time to buy his players and implement his tactics. Before his appointment, we sold our best player in Raheem Sterling, Gerrard moved on after contract expired; we bought players like Firmino and Benteke who were not properly utilized by Rodgers. He managed to work with the players he had and beat strong teams like Manchester United, Dortmund and Villareal over two legs, teams that didn't have overhauls and had played under the same manager/ style for several years. Apparently the board agreed and gave Klopp a six year contract after the defeat in Basel.

After the summer of 2016, Klopp had his first preseason and summer transfer window. At that point, I would say he began to build his own team.

Let's have a look at the (major) businesses we did (including winter window so that we have a summary of every season):

In: Grujic, 5.1M; Mane, 30M; Wijnaldum, 25M; Karius, 4.7M; Klavan, 4.2M; Matip, free. Total: 69M.

Out: Canos, 4.5M; Skrtel, 5.5M; Ibe, 15M; Allen, 13M; Smith, 6M; Benteke, 32M; Alberto, 6M; Ilori, 3.8M. Total: 85.8 M.

Net (spend): -16.8M.

We made a net profit of approximately 1/3 of Raheem Sterling, who left in 2015, after the 2016-17 season. Just a reminder, Klopp inherited a team that sold its best players and lost its leaders, a team that was only capable of finishing 6th-8th for around 6 years bar one season. BBC pundits had us finishing 6th (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37040156). Instead, we were unbeaten in the top six mini league; we had a realistic title shout until January when Mane went on international duty. Eventually we finished 4th despite injury to Mane later on. Players like Lallana and Firmino, regarded as flops from the Rodgers times, dramatically improved and became integral parts of the team. Coutinho, who was already a good player under Rodgers, became world-class after Klopp became manager.

Comparing to Arsenal's current season, Unai Emery inherited world class players (or at least, very good players) like Aubameyang, Lacazett, Ozil- even other often criticized players like Xhaka and Mustafi are big signings in the previous seasons and senior internationals for good national teams- and a team that has been consistently in the top four for a long time bar the last two seasons. In the summer of 2016, Arsenal finished their previous season as 2nd, while we were 8th. A quick look at transfermarkt.com told me that Arsenal had a net spend of around 95M prior to Emery's appointment from 2016-2018. On top of that, they spent about 65M (net) in the summer of 2018. They did well to keep Man United and Chelsea behind them and currently sit at 4th, but it's hardly 'Emery working wonders'. Or perhaps it is, but then Klopp would have performed a miracle in his first full season.

Move on to the summer of 2017, we had a eventful transfer window with the Van Dijk and Coutinho sagas, both of which concluded in January with huge transfers. Our market activities are: (Unit: GBP)

In: Salah, 43.9M; Solanke, 4M; Robertson, 10M; Oxlade-Chamberlain, 35M; Van Dijk, 75M. Total: 167.9M

Out: Wisdom, 4.5M; Lucas, 5M; Stewart, 8M; Sakho, 26M; Coutinho, 142M. Total: 185.5M

Net: -17.6M.

BBC pundits predicted correctly that we would finish 4th (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40856491). That was also an acknowledgement of how well Klopp has done in his first full season. Basically, in Klopp's first two full seasons, instead of splashing the cash, we made a profit from transfer activities of roughly 35M. We could pay Roma double the amount we did for Salah and we would still almost break even. In the mean time, Klopp has turned this team into a consistent top four team, not to mention the small matter of reaching the Champions League Final, which non of the big spenders in England managed to do for quite a few years. We basically had the top four place assured by February, leading Chelsea by 10pt at one stage, but the league matches became distractions to our Champions League ambitions in April and May. We were poor towards the end of the season, but still managed 4th, Chelsea 5pt behind us.

Now we arrive in the present. This season, we have been spending big in the market, and as a result, we are seriously challenging the league title instead of fighting for 4th. In back to back seasons, we have been doing well in Champions League. Football fans generally think of Liverpool as a major power again. We are now ranked as one of the best teams in the world. How much money did we spend to achieve that?

In: Keita, 52.8M; Fabinho, 43.7M; Shaqiri, 13.8M; Alisson, 65M. Total: 175M

Out: Can, free; Ings, 20M; Ward, 12.5M; Klavan, 2M; Solanke, 19M. Total: 53.5M

Net: 121.5M.

Grand total of Klopp's transfer activities: net spend of around 87.1M.

Klopp turned the 2015 Liverpool, a mediocre team shall I say, into one of the best in the world with a net spend of 87M. Smart business is a big factor, but that is also credited to Klopp. Many of us, myself included, had doubts over some of those signings above. Rival fans were laughing at the signings we made. Mane 'the annual Southampton purchase', Salah 'the Chelsea reject', Van Dijk was apparently the biggest waste of money of all time, etc. Every one of them has at the very least lived up to his price tag, with the possible exception of Naby Keita, and he has plenty of time since he has been here for less than a year. Many players have 'overperformed' under Klopp, Coutinho a prime example, as he was nowhere near as effective at Barcelona. Sadio Mane, Mohamed Salah and Roberto Firmino wouldn't be better than they are now if they were in another system with another manager.

Comparing with the other English clubs' trajectories since summer 2016:

Man City: Net spend 360M, from a title challenger to one of the best teams in the world.

Man Utd: Net spend 290M, from an underperforming top four team to an underperforming title challenger/top four team.

Chelsea: Net spend 200M, from a occasional title challenger and a fairly consistent top four team to a top four challenger.

Arsenal: Net spend 150M, from a consistent top four team to a top four challenger.

Tottenham: Net spend 40M, from a consistent top four team to a consistent top four team.

Numbers are from transfermarkt.com and converted to GBP for our rivals, while the data for Liverpool is from lfchistory.net which include all the potential add-on fees for both incoming and outgoing transfers. I would have used transfermarkt for Liverpool too, (the net spend is around 100M according to them) but I found that lfchistroy's records are consistent with what we saw in news articles, and I don't bother to look for similar websites for other clubs (I don't know if mcfchistory.net exists, for example). There might be some bias, but not deviating from the actual numbers a lot.

We have had the greatest improvement among England's top teams with a relatively modest spending (not taking into account that the only season that we have a positive net spend happened after the huge inflation of the market after the Neymar deal). We were a Europa League quality team before Klopp took over, we were miles behind the likes of Manchester City who already had Aguero, Kompany, David Silva and De Bruyne etc in the team. We were behind Tottenham, who practically had the same established team as they do now. We were behind Manchester United, as they could always afford the best player available in the market. Arsenal might not have the biggest star in the league, but they always finished in the top four and usually had a good title chance until around Feb/Mar. Chelsea were sometimes inconsistent, but they won the league not long ago and had players like Eden Hazard. Now, we have overtaken most of them and closed the gap on Man City despite their huge spending. That's the main progression of this club under Klopp.

Oh, and we have been playing exciting attacking football since his arrival. Fans can actually enjoy watching football matches again. We are showing great team spirit, and the vibe around the club is very positive. Add these to his achievement list as well.

Has he won anything yet? No. But he deserves to have won at least one by now in my opinion. He has come close on three occasions already, and would at the very least, came close again this season. Remember our starting point was very different from Pep Guardiola's Man City, or Jose Mourinho's Man Utd, or Pochettino's Spurs. Even Emery's Arsenal has a better foundation than we did.

That's not to say I'll be happy with 2nd this season, nor to make early excuses. It would be incredibly frustrating if we couldn't win the league when we were 7pt up at the midpoint of the season. I voiced my disappointment and pessimism in those recent draws in the league. But finishing 2nd this year wouldn't make Klopp a failure or a fraud, if you consider that Man City probably still have a much better overall squad than we do, and the point I have been trying to make in the post, which is that Klopp has done enough for the club to be described as a success so far.

Hopefully, we could win at least one of those two major trophies at the end, and then this post would be rendered absolutely redundant.

*Edit: arguments were made that we actually spent a lot of money, it's just that we managed to sell our players for good prices. Well, if you sell a player, you replace him. If you sell expensive players, you need to buy expensive players as well to keep yourself at that level.

Here is the other teams' expenditures in the past seasons for comparison:

Man City- 520M

Man Utd- 400M

Chelsea- 510M

Arsenal- 300M

Tottenham- 180M

(Source- transfermarkt)

Liverpool- 410M, lfchistory

You can decide for yourself what this means. IMO, this only shows that Klopp deserves more credit. Imagine you are John Henry, you said to Klopp: take these 400M and give me a world class football team. Klopp did it and returned more than 300M back to you. Would you think that the fact that Klopp managed to improve this team drastically while keeping most of that fund still available is actually very impressive?

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