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traumacatholic · 3 years

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Hello, I am a Catholic myself, recently a Catholic family member has told me that purgatory doesn’t exist because when God died all of our sins were washed away. I tried to research it and this is what I found on Quora:

“To say that purgatory is a necessary purification is to deny that the grace of God is sufficient. 1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

Another passage which clearly excludes the idea of purgatory is, …their sins and transgressions I will remember no more (Hebrews 10:17). If, as the Bible says, God no longer remembers the sins of those who are in Christ, He does not punish them for these sins. To do so would be saying that Christ had not made full payment for them and that God the Father still remembered them. (See also Romans 5:8-11; Hebrews 10:14-18; Psalm 103:12).

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past." (Romans 3:24-25)

John 2:1-2 says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

If purgatory is true then the 'catholic' Christ didn't accomplish anything on the cross, wasted his time and died for nothing. The 'catholic' Christ should have hired a pro instead of doing the job himself. The Christ of Christianity is the Pro. He got the job on the cross done right the first time. And.....He did it for free!

Purgatory is a man-made money-making thing invented by the unbiblical rcc.Heb1:3 "When He had by Himself PURGED OUR SINS.".Rom8:1 "There is therefor now NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus.". Psalms49:7 "None of them can redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.".Dont forget Prov10:12 which never mentions purgatory. Acts4:12"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Listen, we are PURGED OF OUR SINS ( not some, ALL ) by the blood of Jesus Christ. Heb1:3,Rom8:1 and John5:24. Remember "there is no more condemnation when Jesus passed over our sins and paid the ultimate penalty for us." Why didnt the apostles ever discuss purgatory? 2Cor5:8There is no mention of pur. here. In Luke16:19-31, Jesus reveals there is a great gulf between hell and paradise that people cannot pass from one to the other. Catholics defend purg. by quoting the uninspired 2Mac12:40-46 where a "sin offering" is offered for dead soldiers who had committed the sin of idolatry. This not only contradicts the Bible, but also catholic teaching, because idolatry is a "mortal sin" that would confine a person to hell. An ex-nun said the only purgatory that exists is the priests' pockets.”

I am a bit confused, if possible do you think you can explain where it comes from please? Thank you for your account and everything you had done ❤️

I know I haven’t responded to every point put forth, but I feel this should give you a good place of reference, and I would strongly recommend you spending your own time going through parts of the Catechism that relate to Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, how Catholics understand sin (as there is variations between Catholics and other denominations) and about the Sacraments. In essence, purgatory is found both in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. A lot of Protestants only believe in their version of the Bible and look only to the Bible for answers. Whereas as Catholics we look to both Tradition and Scripture.

The three states of the Church. “When the Lord comes in glory, and all his angels with him, death will be no more and all things will be subject to him. But at the present time some of his disciples are pilgrims on earth. Others have died and are being purified, while still others are in glory, contemplating in full light, God himself triune and one, exaclyas he is”. (CCC 954). It cites; LG 49; Council of Florence (1439); DS 1305.

“Also, if truly penitent people die in the love of God before they have made satisfaction for acts and omissions by worthy fruits of repentance, their souls are cleansed after death by cleansing pains; and the suffrages of the living faithful avail them in giving relief from such pains, that is, sacrifices of masses, prayers, almsgiving and other acts of devotion which have been customarily performed by some of the faithful for others of the faithful in accordance with the church's ordinances.” - https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/ecumenical-council-of-florence-1438-1445-1461

All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo a purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. (CCC 1030).

The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirly different from the punishment of the damned (see also: Council of Florence 1439, DS 1304, Council of Trent 1563, DS 1820, 1547, DS 1580. As well as Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336), DS 1000). The Church formulated her doctine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Council of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts ofScripture, speaks of a cleansing fire.

“If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:15

“so that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold which though perishable is tested by fire, may redound to praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 1:7

To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life; the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in sucha way that no punishment would remain. (CCC 1472). Here it cites: Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1712-1713; (1563: 1820.

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire. He Who is truth says that woever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in tis age nor in the age to come. Fromt his sentence we understand that certain offences can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. ~ St. Gregory the Great.

This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: “Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” (2 Macc 12:46). From the beginning the Church has honoured the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may obtain the beatific vision of God. (C. Council of Lyons II (1274) : DS 856). The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

“Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.” ~ St. John Chrystotom

“In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Churc in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honoured with great respect the memory of the dead; and “because it is a holy and wholesome thougt to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins’ she offers her suffrages for them (CCC 958) (LG 50;)

“And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness bad great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.” (2 Macc 12:45-46)

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Here’s a collection of quotes that other Saints had to say with regards to Purgatory:

“Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out” ( St. Cyril of Jerusalem

Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 [A.D. 350]).

“Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf” (St. John Chrysostom

Homilies on Philippians 3:9–10 [A.D. 402]).

“Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (St. Augustine The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]).

“That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (St. Augustine Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]).

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troubledontlast1 · 5 years

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kenbowe · 4 years

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Jesus said, “There was a rich man who always dressed in ·the finest clothes [L purple and fine linen] and ·lived in luxury [or feasted sumptuously] every day.And a very poor man named Lazarus, whose body was covered with sores, was laid at the rich man’s gate.He ·wanted [longed] to eat ·only the small pieces of food that fell [L what fell] from the rich man’s table. ·And [Even] the dogs would come and lick his sores [C dogs were viewed as despicable scavengers, not household pets].·Later [L Now it happened that], Lazarus died, and the angels carried him to ·the arms of Abraham [L Abraham’s side/T bosom; C the imagery of a banquet, with Abraham as host and Lazarus as honored guest] . The rich man died, too, and was buried.In ·the place of the dead [L Hades], he was in ·much pain [torment] . ·Looking up [L Lifting up his eyes,] , the rich man saw Abraham far away with Lazarus ·at his side [T in his bosom] .He called, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am ·suffering [in agony] in this fire [Is. 66:24]!’But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember when you were alive you had the good things in life, but bad things happened to Lazarus. Now he is comforted here, and you are ·suffering [in agony].Besides [L all this], there is a ·big pit [great gulf/chasm set in place] between you and us, so no one can cross over to you, and no one can leave there and come ·here [L to us] .’The rich man said, ‘Father, then ·please [I ask/beg you to] send Lazarus to my father’s house.[L For] I have five brothers, and Lazarus could warn them so that they will not come to this place of ·pain [torment].’But Abraham said, ‘They have ·the law of Moses and the writings of the prophets [L Moses and the prophets]; let them ·learn from [listen to] them.’The rich man said, ‘No, father Abraham! [L But] If someone goes to them from the dead, they would ·believe and change their hearts and lives [L repent].’But Abraham said to him, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not ·listen to [L be persuaded/convinced by] someone who comes back from the dead.’” - Luke 16:19-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke16:19-31&version=EXB

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profbenonyeukwu-blog · 6 years

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MAKE NO MISTAKES ABOUT HELL

PROF. BEN ONYEUKWU (REV.)

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MAKE NO MISTAKES ABOUT HELL

… “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God”, (Psalm 9:17)

INTRODUCTION:

The complacency of the modern society about hell has indeed reached an alarming dimension. This destructive scenario, no doubt, has been the effect of the pulpit compromise, as occasioned by the materialistic tendency in the modern preacher. It is glaring that the mistaken concept of hell, as a place of eternal punishment has not adequately been challenged by those who bear the ministry of the Word of God. As such, those religious groups that deny eternal punishment have literally sown the people down with their dangerous propaganda. In the words of C.D Cole (1968:43), “too much of our preaching is for entertainment, rather than for information. He further stresses that we try to have conversions without conviction, and make concerted effort in calling the self-righteous into the church, when we ought to be calling sinners to repentance…, noting that we have let our prejudice for heaven to hide the terrible realities of hell”.

WHAT IS HELL? The modern society carries various concept of the word “hell”. Informally, “hell” is used to express a situation that is extremely unpleasant. For instance, if someone gives you hell, they are very severe and cruel to you. Also, the expression, “all hell broke loose”, means that there was suddenly a lot of arguing and fighting. People as well use the word “hell” when they are angry or excited about something, etc. However, it is important to note that “hell” is not just a concept for denotative or connotative expression, but a real physical place of punishment. The new Webster’s Dictionary of the English language defines “hell” as the abode of Satan and his fallen angels, and a place of physical anguish for impenitent soul after death. Similarly, the English dictionary renders that “hell” is a place where wicked people are believed to go and be punished when the die. But, “Mr. Evangelist’, you have only given the dictionary idea of hell, and this, to the best of my knowledge, cannot give a proper understanding of the subject-matter, since it is a biblical concept, ”Brother search” reacts!

Mr. Evangelist: Your observation is true. However, I never intended to stop at this point, but a way of helping you look at the subject of hell from two angles. Now, to what the Bible says about it. In fact, one prominent thing in the Word of God about hell, is that it is a place of eternal punishment for sinners who would not repent of their sins during their lifetime, (Matthew 13:49-50).

Brother search: What is then, the real nature of hell? Mr. Evangelist: Hell, as a place of eternal punishment gives the basic idea of its nature. Nevertheless, for a better understanding, and according to the Bible, hell is also said to be a place of torments (Luke16:23-24), a prison for sinners and fallen angels (1 Peter 3;19), as well as a “furnace of fire” (Matthew13:12) or a ‘lake of fire”,(Revelation 20:14) Brother search: But, there are those who believe that the wicked will completely be destroyed (annihilationists), who go about denying the continued existence of the wicked, hereby rendering the place of eternal punishment unnecessary. What does the Bible say about this?

Mr. Evangelist: Those who hold that a place of eternal punishment does not exist often misinterpret the Scripture which says, “for the evildoers shall be cut off; but those that wait upon the Lord, shall inherit the earth” (Psalm37:9). In fact, this portion of the Bible only shows how the wicked are suddenly forced out of their ill-gotten possessions, as well as shows how God sustains the inheritance of the righteous on earth and has nothing to do with eternity, nor does it teach the total destruction of the human soul, which theologians refer as “annihilation”. Brother search:Do you mean that the theory of annihilation is wrong?

Mr. Evangelist:Exactly! The Bible teaches that whenever one comes into existence, one continues to exist, even when one dies, for what we call death is the separation of the soul of an individual from the body, and not the total destruction of such a soul,(Ecclesiastes 12:7).

Brother search:So, what happens to the soul of an individual who dies?

Mr. Evangelist:Each soul that dies at any point in time either goes to heaven or hell. The story of Lazarus the beggar and Davis, who the Bible refers to as the “Rich Man” buttresses the fact , and shows that the human soul lives beyond this world,(Luke 16:23-24)

Brother searchBut, the story is a parable employed by Jesus to illustrate his teaching. Mr. Evangelist:No, the story of Lazarus and the “Rich Man” is not a parable, for parables do not mention specific names, as we have in the story.

Brother search:Now, what are the reasons why people go to heaven or hell after death?

Mr. Evangelist:The simple fact of one’s decision determines where one goes when one dies. The Bible teaches that “all (through Adam) have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and that one can only be justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”, (Romans 3:23-24). So, one who repents and continues in Christ goes to heaven when one dies, and one who refuses to repent goes to hell, hereafter, (Luke 13:3).

In conclusion, don’t allow anyone to deceive you, ‘for it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God’, (Hebrews 10:31). BE WISE TODAY.

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