#i'm tired. u all know i love queer rep and queer shows I AM A QUEER PERSON AND I MEAN LOOK AT MY URL
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ok but u gotta admit it's fucked that they hyped up that "will's sexuality will be addressed" and then used it purely to further a straight couple
But... they didn't only do that?! The scene with Jonathan was where it was made most explicit in my opinion, and that was purely about Will and Jonathan, nothing else. If that car scene was ALL we had I'd sort of get it, but it wasn't. And again, what were people actually expecting here? Will to end up with Mike, when Mileven has been rock solid since S1? Will to explicitly say "I'm gay" despite being fourteen and in the 1980s?
Will's sexuality WAS addressed, and it was addressed pretty damn explicitly between him and Jonathan, and that scene so easily could have been Will breaking down to Jonathan out of fear or self-hatred. But it wasn't. It was Will crying out of relief. It was Will crying because Jonathan hasn't forced Will to say anything he isn't ready to say, but said in no uncertain terms that absolutely nothing could stop Jonathan from loving him. How was that purely furthering Mike and El? That was a beautifully crafted scene which was about Will and Jonathan, and focused on the unbreakable bond that they share.
#asks#anon#i'm tired. u all know i love queer rep and queer shows I AM A QUEER PERSON AND I MEAN LOOK AT MY URL#BUT THIS IS SET IN THE 1980S and to say will's sexuality was ONLY brought up for mileven is just FALSE#will byers#stranger things#stranger things s4#stranger things spoilers
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hey i watched and finished 911 lone star this week, so imma bring uo something that is very old(s1 or 2) but that impacted me A LOT
And that is the first(second? one of the first) tarlos fight, about Carlos telling his parents TK was his friend. I understand and feel for TK, especially after being fresh from a traumatic break up from a relationship in which he was clearly more invested than his partner(fuck u alex).
But I feel so much for Carlos. I am brazilian, like Rafael, and I feel like i live in the Reyes household, when Carlos was young. I am Carlos at 17, coming out, being hugged, being loved, and then having that part of himself be pushed under the rug. I will never come out to my extended family. I may take a while to transition medically, or never transition, not because I live with especially close-minded people, but because I live with humans that are sometimes afraid of what they don't know.
When Carlos said "I don't wanna rub their noses in it" I felt that, because I can't even talk to my mom about Lone Star without telling her that what drew me to it was the queer rep, esp the trans rep. Lat time I talked to my mom about a show like this, it was Star Trek Discovery, and she said "Wow, are there only gay people in these things you watch?". Needless to say, I tend to refrain from mentioning characters that arent cishet now.
I will have to cut contact with most of my family when I come out, if I wanna get married, get my name changed, etc.
When TK said "I thought they were nice people" and Carlos said "They ARE nice people. But they are not perfect" I felt that because I love my mom. She supported me though all of my crazy dreams, and my depressive episodes, my autism diagnosis. But she doesn't see her son when she looks at me, and she can't say my name. I have complicated feelings about my father, because he is a cheater w anger issues, but he calls me his son. He sends me articles on trans rights here in my town. He wants to see me become whatever I want. But he also left.
What I wanna say is, I never realized I needed latino rep in my media until I got it, especially queer latino rep. I am white passing, though both my grandmothers are/were black, so I always thought I was ok with seeing characters that were brunettes, like Hermione, or Belle. But seeing Encanto, and now Lone Star I actually saw my family there, with the mess and the thousands of tios and tias and primos, and the catholic guilt and the good food.
What I'm saying is Rafa said "The fact that we [Ronen and Rafa/ TK and Carlos] can just walk into your living room without your asking? Yeah, that brings me joy" bc ls is not a queer show.It's a show about first responders, and some of them happen to be queer. It's not next to RuPaul's drag race on the straming catalogue, but next to action shows. And it reminds me that people think that is "shoving it in theur faces". Because they feel queer rep, and queer PEOPLE should come with a warning, because they ferl they have the right to simply ignore out existence. Sometimes ut feels like simply existing is "shoving it in their faces" and I'm tired.
I am very privileged in my country, being the child of university professors, even though both of them grew up very poor. I am middle class, with fairly open parents and a queer sister, and for that I am grateful, and I realize that my situation is better than a lot of people's. I am not denying that. But it feels nice to see a story that looks like mine, not just a face. A story in US media, that I grew up watching and worshipping, far more than the relatively conservative media from Brazil(especially the novelas, jesus christ, someone save us from globo, recodrd and band and sbt), with a boy that reminds me so much of myself. With a trans male character for fuck's sake, that has to deal with the mess of dating as a trans person, of navigating your family and your transition. These people showed me that I am not alone.
Also Rafael is from my town and ever since I foumd that out I have been giggling internally, you guys have no clue 😅😅
Oh well, another rant no one asked for but I delivered anyways. I am very depressed, very disphoric and very hyperfixated on 911 ls, so...sorry, not sorry?
#Rafael Silva#911#911 lone star#carlos reyes#tk strand#tyler kennedy strand#tarlos#latino#latina#latine#latinx#latino rep#brasil#brazil
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ok but some selfish and abrasive g witch finale thoughts:
all these boohoos going on about how that shit sucked bc they were really expecting a kiss on screen and it didn't happen and how the execs chickened out of a """real gay rep""" just really tells me how much better we acespecs are at finding and telling a love story. like if fucking yuri on ice didn't/couldn't do it (I know this is a time slot thing and pls, we are talking about a production that happened in a country where the fucking nagano ruling is already considered monumental! try to imagine that if u can!!!!), what the fuck makes you think a gundam show will? and like, a kiss? really is the only way you'll believe two queer people are in love? so if you see two people who are out and out and they're just holding hands, you're not gonna believe they're in love??? come the fuck on, stranger
like let's give this the benefit of the doubt: execs wanted an onscreen kiss for the impact and the hashtag but censorship is homophobic and stuff. look, they went around it, didn't they?? eri identified herself as miorine's fucking sister-in-law, they have motherfucking rings, and they're living together???? and in so doing delivered an even more holistic couple??? and you're telling me that's not queer rep, that they're not in love, and that they owe it to you to explain their love story as if they didn't fucking spend 576 minutes telling it and almost literally even died for it??? like maybe at this point, people should just fing reevaluate their shallow grasp on romance and maybe even their inherent acephobia
am I stepping on toes here? yeah I'm fucking stepping on toes here but I wouldn't be me if I wasn't making enemies left and right, right? also you can't blame me for being angry about the way media has turned romance into a narrow checklist. I'm tired of that shit
in other news, after that roller-coaster ride of an anime, I think I'm suddenly prepared for anything the other animes I'm watching/games I'm playing can throw at me. character death? give it to me; my favorite character got a great ending in g witch so I'm happy to take a loss on another front. (and like come on, I was prepared for Jin Sakai to die until I realized that he was the mc of the DLC too which is a big duh on my part but anyway—) gay skater suddenly gets a girlfriend in the next season? give it to me, I don't care anymore. we'll all know it's fake anyway, we just need the money from the hetties
lastly and selfishly, I can finally work on my guel fanmix holy shit and boy am I glad I've been going on the right direction all along 😭😭😭 (guesule fanmix, don't worry, I have a hundred sad songs waiting for you, so you just sit right there and auntie liv will get to you soon 💖)
#liv is typing#g witch#g witch spoilers#yes I talk more about that missing onscreen kiss and no the people who are demanding it won't like what I had to say#can't believe I have to preface this post bc i happen to be using a public search tag for organizing my blog...#was it a bad idea on my part yes it was a bad idea on my part but to my defense past!me didn't expect to have this opinion in the future#noisyofolives
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Ok I meant to answer you're question about what I thought of the show ages ago but I forgot.
I LOVED IT OMGGGG! I got so many kitty vibes from Wilhelm and Simon! The touching! The softness! It's those vibes exactly! I want that energy in TWP.
COMRADE SIMON!! We stan! That speech he made at the very beginning about the differences in attitudes towards "tax evasion" vs. "Welfare fraud." Legend behavior.
Sara!!!! My girl!!!!!! An autistic/adhd character PLAYED BY AN AUTISTIC ACTRESS!!!! THIS IS SO HUGE!!! I would die for my problematic queen. I made an entire post on her but the gist is, I get where she's coming from and understand why she feels the way she feels but dear God girl make better choices and stay the hell away from August.
Speaking of.... I wanna run August over several times. Vroom vroom motherfucker. The fact that he
- filmed MINORS HAVING SEX AND TGE POSTED IT ONLINE
-kissed Sara behind Felice's back when they were still dating WITHOUT HER CONSENT BTW
- Wanted to blame Simon for the drugs because he knew it would be easy because Simon's family is lower class and doesnt have the same social standing as one of the "members of the society"
- Also it didn't escape my notice that the cult like faternety type group with all the rich, mainly white boys is called The Society. This shows commentary on class is vv interesting. Especially the little things like two girls just randomly advocating for THE DEATH PENALTY. The rich people audacity.
-Anyways back to August, when he tried to excuse his actions with Wilhelm and get all teary like no bitch you can't manipulate your way out of this one. And again with Sara! When he said "Wilhelm has everything" I wanted to scream! Like he's fucking closeted and clearly suffering from panic attacks and extreme anxiety you moron.
-Anyways!! I also think that Wilhem might be autistic because he just feels autistic. Like the vibes are there.
- The girl group is so sweet? And to have the popular girl be a Black girl who isn't "stereotypically attractive" with a more medium sized body and bad acne. As someone who has really bad skin I needed that. Felice is kinda awesome imo.
Let me see what else??
-Simon and his mom speaking Spanish consistently throughout the show. It sounded pretty natural to me? But I'm not a native speaker. (Or even fluent honestly lol.)
- Simon and Wilhelm are honestly so adorable and in love and it made my heart ache. (I am so touch starved I swear..)
-My only main beef is the outing plotline and the show using an outdated medical term for Sara, aspergers. It's literally just autism. Also it's kind of offensive because Hans Asperger was a n*zi who literally killed autistic children because they weren't useful to capitalism. SOOOO yeah.
As for the outing plotline, I feel like the cishets have like three plotlines that they use for queer stories. Outing/coming out, one of them dies, or one if them bullies the other until they both fall in love. It's tired.
But overall I really loved it.
HI SORRY I HADNT REPLIED
I wanted to correctly talk to you about this series so I logged in through my computer to make it easier for me :D
LOOK AT THIS POINT IVE RELATED THEM TO LITERALLY EVERY COMFORT SHIP I HAVE LIKE. I've compared this to kitty, I've compared this to Thomastair, I've compared this to my friends to ocs who she has obsessed me with (youd actually like them if you liked this tbh) IVE COMPARED ME TO MY OCS
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I JUST LOVE THEM
IF KITTY DOESNT HAVE THIS ENERGY IN TWP WHAT WAS THE POINT
what was the point cc??
S I M O N
OH GOD WHEN HE SAID THAT I WENT OMG YEAH
new favorite character
Great
SHES PLAYED BY AN AUTISTIC ACTRESS?? Sorry I hadn't known! Haven't actually gotten to obsessively look at the cast I've been trying to get over the last episode BUT THATS SO COOL. SARA IS AMAZING AND I ADORE HER. I'll read your post after this! But of course STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM AUGUST GIRL PLEASE
Tbh I understood where she was coming from with everything with Simons image falling apart and her having to suffer when she had just started having friends , just after finding he had been lying to her. But love, AUGUST?
A U G U S T ???
WHO JUST FOUND OUT OUTED YOUR BROTHER
Also random and stealing this from @marzzinaa i totally hc Sara as a demi girl for some reason
Im kinda sad we didnt see her speak spanish as much we did simon :(
But oh well I LOVE HER AND YEAH STAY AWAY FROM AUGUST GOD
FAE WE RUN HIM OVER TOGETHER BROOM BROOM
You already said it all, I just agree
Ok I'll bring a machete you bring whatever you wish and we kill him sound good?
ALSO YEAH I TOTALLY NOTICED HOW THE ECONOMIC DINAMICS CAME INTO PLAY AND HOW IT BASICALLY LET YOU KNOW HOW THE PRIVILEGED ELITES COULD GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING
meanwhile they wanted to pass off to Simon who came from a lower class family the blame
Also I'd like to mention how that would also play into the stereotype latinos are all drug dealers
Which I love how they didnt make his dead beat alcoholic man the latino parent, when I first read the description I thought they might do that, but im so glad they didnt
I think it might have been a comentary idk i liked that they DIDNT make the poc parent the dead beat
THE FRIEND GROUP WAS SO COOL AND I LOVED ALL OF THEM AND YES FELICE WAS JUST <3
I love how they didnt make her stereotypically perfect AND YES MID SIZED REP WAS AMAZING TO SEE
Also im so glad you got to see that represented!!
So I am a native speaker and him talking to his mom MADE ME CRY
it was WONDERFUL I WANT MORE OF IT
pls most her phrases reminded me to my own mom
Autistic wilhelm you say?? omg tell me more (if you want)
Oh thats awful, well I'll just refer to Sara as autistic and hope the showrunners fix that next season because if they dont-
Yikes
Oh yeah, thats valid critisism. But in my opinion they actually wrote it pretty well so I wont really be complaining about an overall media problem with queer stories rn. If so I'll be here all day. But yeah its an overall problem but it wasnt done bad in my opinion so!
I'll shut up, for now
IM SO GLAD YOU LIKED IT FEEL FREE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT WITH ME PLS ITS MY OBSESSION NOW IM GONNA BE ANNOYING ABOUT IT ALL MONTH
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(I'm gonna mark these asks as from gay writing anon) On the topic of writing queer relationships in media: I totally agree that queer relationships need to be approached and written more carefully than het relationships. However, how "different" their writing needs to be I think depends on the subject matter and environment of the show. Like if the writing team wants to milk the "queer drama" of coming out, then they have to do more to treat the queer relationship right in writing.
Gay writing anon part 2) But what if the show is set in an environment where queer relationships are absolutely 100% nothing to bat an eyelash at / not at all out of the ordinary? I think they still to be written carefully, but do they need to necessarily be written differently than het relationships in these instances? Of course, this brings up the issues of writings teams who say "oh sexuality isn't an issue in our world" because they don't want to deal with the difficulties of writing (cont
(gay writing anon part 3) queer relationships legitimately, accurately, and sensitively. Media doesn't exist in a vacuum, so I'm not trying to argue that this is how shows should address queer relationships. I'm just wondering whether they are really inherently different in-universe of every show - they're obviously different than het relationships in how they'll be perceived by the audience, but what about the characters/universe? I absolutely agree on all of the other points you made (cont)
(gay writing anon part 4) especially your points about not having any normal feel-good coupley moments, and cishet writers having difficulties in pinning down what being queer is really like. I know when I first started coming to terms with my sexuality, I just ate up any media with any queerness at all. But now I'm tired of all these half-assed stories that still don't represent my experience accurately, and they're the best thing I have (excluding some examples like Alex's coming out) (cont)
(gay writing anon part 5) I just wanted to say again that I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue or anything like that - just trying to figure out my own feelings about queer rep in media (which I'm still muddling through) and compare them to others. I'm supremely grateful if you read all of this, and totally understand if you didn't. (If I forgot to go on anon for any of the parts, could you please not publish that part? I'm fine with you knowing my url, but I'd rather it not be public.)
okay im notoriously terrible w explaining stuff go figure?/ im a “writer” apparently (pls note here that i am hardcore rolling my eyes @ myself) but im gonna try bc u went to a heap of effort here & like im always a slut for literary discussion (esp when someone knows more than me bc im like heck Yes teach me smth?? anyway onwards)
so for me, when i say that a queer relationship always needs to be written different from a het relationship, part of that ofc is bc media doesnt exist in a vacuum as u point out!! & historically queer representation has been violent & stereotypical or completely erased or treated as a joke or a punishment etc so from this point like u said with modern stories dealing w coming out or realisations like i think those are rly valid & rly important avenues to explore still like there are ppl who dont feel represented by what we’ve seen so far & there are stories that have barely been touched on if at all & there’s so much more work & fun to be had there (hopefully a lot of fun) & i esp think that these need to be handled w care & with so so much love . i think also that queer relationships need to be written differently from het relationships bc like,, i feel like there is a lvl of awareness? like this is a constant choice that we are making to hold someones hand in public, to say these vows in front of family & friends & u KNOW that one family member has been teetering on the edge of blatant homophobia but is being threatened by that other family member to keep it to their damn self for one fucking day bc its a goddamn wedding ok or whatever there is this awareness & i think its kind of,, not deceitful but maybe ignorant or smth?? to ignore the ways in which society always has an effect on our relationships that het relationships dont? rly experience?
theres more to say abt it & i doubt i did that well at all but there just one tiny thing i wanted to say abt those universes that view sexual orientation as a non-issue which is like,,, for me especially, its hard to see true rep for queer women bc this is an orientation that is absolutely not abt men. but,, they’re so prominent in all these stories & i dont mean queer women who were married before they came out or who have had sex w men like thats legit & valid & they’re so valid im not abt that gold star bullshit i just mean like a queer relationship between two women, or more for our poly pals what up pals, in this queer relationship there are??? no men involved??? & its hard to convey exactly how i would want this to be represented in media i dont mean they cant be friends with men or family with men certainly not, i just mean that i feel like there is this gap of understanding like,, this is a love that is like,, it’s different!!! it’s !!!!! everything. i truly believe that this kinda love, this kinda relationship, is inherently different from a het relationship. it isn’t the same therefore it Must be different.
i dont know if this makes sense or if u would agree w it at all, its cool if u dont, but yknow there we go. i tried lol
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