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“Cackling like a bitch in the shadows”- What does that meannnnn?!?!? Sometimes your tags scare me 😭
But if you are in a sharing mood 👉👈 May I have some Four lore 🥺 just a little nibble? A bitty bite? Pls I am so hungy
-miniscrew
FOUR LORE FOUR LORE FOU— Oh fuck I can’t do a Read More on mobile.
Four isn’t very forthcoming about details of his life, but then again, who is in this house? You ask him what he’s working on in the garage and you’re apt to get either a short sarcastic jab or a passionate infodump, depending on who you are. You ask about where he’s from, how old he is (“Old enough.”), or about his family, and he won’t even look up to acknowledge you. It’s enough to make you uncomfortable, and that’s just what he wants.
Four does have family, or maybe did. He was raised by his grandfather alongside his three brothers. They were all smart and had their own special talents: leadership, athleticism, scholarship, and being a social butterfly.
Four doesn’t remember which of the brothers he was.
He took a special liking to Twilight because Twi is both friend-shaped and has that Big Brother Energy. Four feels like he doesn’t need to be The Responsible One when Twi is around.
Shadow is definitely not jealous about this.
Four met the boys through Wild. He was doing stage work at a club in Termina in between his other odd and under-the-table jobs, and Wild was just too friendly and sweet to let Four continue his quiet existence alone.
Four took one look at that Terminian townhouse, dubbed it a “fixer-upper,” and just started fixing things around the house without being asked. Time was vexed at first until he realized that Four wasn’t just a hack, but had real talent.  Eventually, he even stopped charging Four rent.
Four does have a proper bedroom in the Castle Town townhouse, at Time’s order insistence. He keeps his door locked at all times, and he’s in there to sleep only three-ish hours a night. None of the other boys have seen the inside of his bedroom. 
After Twilight, Legend is probably the second roommate Four is close to. And saying they’re “close” is honestly a stretch. They can coexist in mutual sarcasm and don’t really bother one another. In reality, they have similar past experiences and silently recognize that in one another.
Shadow does come and go from the townhouse during overnights. Time knows this, he knows who Shadow is, and although he keeps tabs on Shadow he won’t say anything to Four about it. He recognizes that they have some past connection and he is not interested to pry.
#stormy asks#hsh#townhouse au#miniscrew asks#hsh four#hsh four lore#spent breakfast dictating these tidbits to my phone#bon appetit my friend
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About Dark and Shadow's Past
Finding out that Dark and Shadow knew each other before Dark went away was eyeopening, because that means they've known each other for a really long time. But exactly how long? And how old were they when they met? Time for me to do my patented Over-analyze move and scrape every canon detail together to form a rough timeline.
Okay so let's start with what we know and work backwards; Time, as of the HSH, is 38. Twilight is 23. And Four is 22-23.
We know Time was dealing with the Termina situation for years, although the number of years is unclear. The only information we have is that we know Malon and him divorced just a few weeks before Majora was murdered and Time was put in the hospital. Thanks to the hospital records Hyrule sends Twilight in HSH ch.4, he know Time was between 25-30 years old at the time. That means that at max the Termina Conflict was between 8 and 13 years ago.
That would make Time, as of his divorce and Majora's deaths, between 25-30.
Next, we also know that the last time Twilight saw Time and Malon together and happy was when he was "a kid". Not super descriptive, but at least we can say that he was probably 12 or younger. That would mean at minimum it happened 11 years ago, which falls neatly between our 13-8 year gap. Since I don't think there's any definitive way to narrow it down further, I'm going to just go with Time and Malon being divorced when Time was 27. And since we know that Time and Malon were newly weds when they moved to Termina (the townhouse was the first time they were living together as per HSH for the Holidays ch.4), that means they got married After Time had dealt with Ganon. Let's assume they were married for 2 years - long enough for the divorce process, Malon to grow roots in the city and stay after the divorce, and have a dysfunctional marriage.
So Time was approximately 25 when he was married.
Now, let's talk Dark's timeline. We know very little about him. The only truly definitive information we have is that he was caught and jailed when he was 19 and that his capture did not coincide with Ganon's defeat. He was questioned in prison, so he had active information that the crown was still using to combat Ganon. We also know that he was modified to look like Time. Being so young, he would have to have been close in age with Time, who I can only assume is slightly older than Dark. Also Time would have had to have made some sort of name for himself to prompt Ganon to create Dark. The process to look for someone to deal with Time started when Dark was 16, so that's another 3 years that Time must have been an active participant in the war.
Time didn't finish high school, so I think he got recruited at around 16 (not sure - I don't remember specifically. My mind doesn't hold Time lore like is does for everyone else lol. Please if someone's got that old post about Time's backstory send me the link so I can double check). Assuming he didn't get actively involved for a few years to train, let's say the Great Deku Tree died 3 years later when Time was 19 - old enough to be a participant but still young. A year or so would be sufficient to make a name, prompting Ganon to start looking for a double.
So during the Ganon War, Time is 21 and Dark is 16.
Time arrests Dark when he is 24 and Dark is 19. A five year gap.
That means as of HSH, after 14 years of prison, Dark is roughly 33.
Now for Shadow.
We know even less about him, if you can believe that. In fact just about the only thing we know about him is that he's around Four's age.
Four is 22-23. Let's say 23, to give ourselves as much leeway as possible. At first I would have put Shadow at the same age but if Shadow is 23 that means Dark would have gone away when Shadow was 9. Not impossible, but not plausible either - Shadow seems too young to connect to Dark and I doubt 19yr old Dark would care about a kid that young. So I'd say Shadow is actually a few years older than Four, maybe 25-26. That would make Shadow 11-12 when Dark was arrested. Old enough to have some time to form some sort of a bond if Shadow is mature for his age.
So that means that by the time Dark was captured, he was 19 and Shadow was about 12.
This may not be accurate - there is very little concrete evidence and there's plenty of wriggle room for change. Maybe Dark is younger, maybe Shadow is older. I have no idea. The only thing I do know is that I'm intrigued by these two and their mysterious connection.
These days they have that antagonistic friendship that is so typical for a duo of skrunkly criminals. But I do wonder what kind of relationship they had back in the day - some sort of twisted Big Brother Program energy? Or was it friendly with Dark using Shadow as a way to subconsciously cling to some form of childhood, despite how messed up both of them were. Or was Shadow trying to get a leg up by networking with Ganon's shiny new child soldier? Did Dark warn Shadow off of getting involved with the Dragmire clan to spare him the shit he himself went through?
I have so many questions and I am, as always, eagerly awaiting any information about these two.
(@st0rmyskies how did I do? Did I get even slightly close or am I off by a mile?)
#god I hope this makes sense#I know I just spat out a bunch of numbers#I feel like I need a visual chart or something#to make my brain scramble slightly coherent#townhouse au#hsh au#st0rmyverse#hsh shadow#hsh dark
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A little Four Lore from writer LaviBookman based on HSH and @miniscrew-anon's writing. Occurs pre-HSH when Four is living at his job and gets a surprise nighttime visitor of a nefarious variety.
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help I was trying to write fourshadow fluff and now it's angsty and legends there too what have I done
out of curiosity do you have any shadow lore? anything about his job? no reason at all he's not going to get hurt of course not
-secrer third thing anon
Of course Legend is there. He tends to get himself tangled up in situations he shouldn't.
Where Time and Dark have a very physical role in their particular line of work, Shadow deals in information. He's adept at slipping in and out of rooms, vaults, even systems without leaving a trace. He has a whiplash-inducing photographic memory and doesn't miss anything or forget anything. He can use those powers for good -- such as when he recognizes just how Four likes his toast in the mornings -- or for evil. And he's much more apt to choose evil on any given day.
Shadow has no fighting prowess. He does, however, have Dark on speed dial. For as annoying as Shadow is, Dark owes him quite a lot, so groan and bitch though he might, he will always be there for Shadow.
As of the current HSH arc, Four and Dark make up Shadow's entire support network.
#stormy asks#secret third thing anon#hi im sorry it took me so long to answer this#hsh shadow#hsh four#hsh dark
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how r none of the boys scared of time? he is unpredictable, and honestly, some of his behaviors is reminiscent of abusive people
It’ll be 2 years in June that I’ve been writing my man HSH Time, and in that span I’ve learned a lot about him. He’s terribly flawed, he’s got anger and self-loathing issues, he is prone to violence and has had committed some pretty gruesome and satisfying on-screen murders throughout the HSH series. But Time is predictable in his violent episodes, and he has never once displayed abusive behavior in either HSH or the LMTCOY stories, not toward those he cares about or those he hates.
This is a point that is pretty near and dear to my heart. HSH Time is a morally gray anti-hero, but he’s not an abuser. He is a flawed man who is trying to be better, and there are multiple examples of this throughout the series.
If you’re in the mood for a wall of text, a handful of snippets, and maybe some lore, feel free to click below the cut. It's fucking 1800 words, I'm not sorry. (This review will reference events of the Let Me Take Care of You side-series but will NOT contain or reference any explicit material. There's definitely going to be violence, though.)
Oh, and spoilers if you're not caught up with the series!
There are a handful of times within HSH and LMTCOY when Time lashes out in violence and kills someone on-screen. In each and every one of these instances, though, there’s a very real threat either to Time or to the boys. His level of violence also tends to correlate with the threat against his or the boys’ safety. While fighting for his life alongside the others in scenes like the climax of HSH1, when the stakes are more clearly "kill or be killed," his actions are more easily digestible. I bet you’re more concerned with those jarring instances of "unexpected" violence within the narrative.
The first and most dramatic of these came at the end of HSH Chapter 4, when Time came home to give a piece of his mind to the intruders who’d broken into the house and kicked the shit out of the boys.
It was difficult to see in the dim street light filtering in through the broken window, but everyone could plainly hear the heavy, wet sounds of splintered wood repeatedly connecting with flesh. Twilight crawled further and further back down the hallway until he bumped into Wind, putting himself between his younger cousin and the gruesome scene, even though Wind craned his neck to continue watching. On the other side of the hallway, Sky was frozen where he knelt tending to Four, who was still out cold. Warriors stood just ahead of them, one hand clamped firmly over his mouth. Twilight shared a terrified glance with Legend who peered out the kitchen door, his face pale and spattered with blood. Just behind him, Wild lay on the floor, moaning and clutching the left side of his face.
Time didn’t relent until the intruder was silent and still.
The boys sure were spooked watching Time beat a man to death with his bare hands, but they recognized that this wasn’t an un-provoked act of violence. Time had come home to a bloodbath: some of the boys were bleeding, others were burned, he probably thought that Four was dead. Plus, this incident represented the realization of years’ worth of Time’s fear that his loved ones would get hurt because of his past. He was primed to boil over in this scenario.
In HSH for the Holidays, we get to see much more of Time’s unorthodox methods of home security. Much of the on-screen violence here occurs in the final chapter, when the Yiga Clan invade his home looking to harm the former Royal Guard members. Here we see the first instance of Time demonstrating regret and trying to hold back during a bout of violence.
[The Demon Carver] was quite messy and not very efficient. It required a considerable amount of force to bring his opponents to a swift and silent end. There was some primal satisfaction in using this cruel implement, flashy and frightening but not sharp enough to be merciful. It was something the Deity would have found fun to work with. Time bared his teeth as he dragged it through vital flesh - whether in a grin or a grimace he was afraid to ask himself.
Once he had dispatched the last of the soldiers, Time threw the blade far away from himself in disgust.
Time recognizes in this case that there is work to be done, work that he is unfortunately very talented at performing, and he actively demonstrated some restraint against his more violent tendencies in this scenario in order to avoid losing his self-control.
This is a huge contrast to what has been probably Time’s worst on-screen murder scene, which was the Fierce Deity versus Volga fight in LMTCOY. This is also the first time we’re in Time’s head to see what happens when he totally loses his shit.
The Fierce Deity found catharsis in using his hands. Firearms may be efficient and quick, but sometimes squeezing and crushing just felt better. It spoke to some primordial urge deep in the soul, like tilling the earth with bare hands, getting filth caked beneath the nails. There was dark satisfaction in watching bruises form in an iron grip, in feeling bone crack like dry timber beneath a blunt object. […]
Time felt like he watched the scene through a tunnel. His voice — the Deity’s voice — sounded detached, not like his own. Although he saw his hands moving, holding and striking and hurting, he… couldn’t feel them.
He couldn’t feel his hands.
This is by far Time’s most violent outburst in the entire series, and it’s definitely not without cause. Warriors had come home after being attacked by Volga, badly hurt and obviously traumatized, and at the beginning of this particular scene, Time found some pretty damning confirmation of just what a sick bastard Volga could be. I think it would be hard for anyone to hold back in a case like this.
This also demonstrates Time's dissociative tendencies during violent outbursts. This is part of Time's trauma response, which we'll get in to a bit later.
In examining the rest of Time’s violent outbursts, there hasn’t been a single one that’s been unpredictable or without direct, immediate cause. Perhaps sudden in onset and frighteningly final in resolution, but not unpredictable.
Time’s propensity toward violence isn’t limited to murder, though. During HSH: Moving Day, we get a flashback of his last fight with Malon prior to their divorce. During their shouting match, he actively restrained himself from touching her even when he was forcing himself to act like an asshole to chase her away:
She looked frightened as he approached her - as the Deity approached her - and he stopped himself from grabbing her by the arm.
And he doesn’t erupt in violence until after Malon has left the house:
All of their photos along the hallway were ripped off of the wall, happy memories scattered about the floor. Chairs were overturned. A sconce got ripped out of the wall. The glass over their wedding portrait shattered as the frame was thrown into the fireplace. For several terrifying moments, Time debated setting fire to it, setting fire to everything and just letting the entire fucking house go up in flames—
And let’s take it all the way back to the beginning of HSH1 while we’re at it. Time has no reason to like the boys when they all start showing up in his house one by one, and he has no reason to be nice to them, either. In fact, it would probably have been a whole lot easier for him to demonstrate his temper right then and there and scare them all out of the house permanently. But when he resorted to that sort of behavior with Malon, he felt deep shame and remorse for it even years after the fact. Time refuses to put anyone else through that sort of manipulation again.
And that’s part of what sets Time apart from being an abuser. Abuse can range in severity from yelling and name-calling to physical offenses, and abusers tend to rationalize their behavior to themselves and others in many ways. The abusive style of thinking is:
Entitlement - feeling like you "own" another person, and that everything in the relationship should go your way, regardless of their feelings.
Disrespect - you don't see the other person as an equal with a mind of their own.
Control - you don't believe the other person has a right to their own opinions, life choices, relationships, or how they spend their free time.
If Time was truly an abusive person, he would have the perfect victim in Dark, wouldn’t he? In The Brave, Dark is socially-isolated, he depends on Time’s word and his mercy for what little freedom he has, and Time literally holds the key to the shackle around Dark’s ankle for the first half of the story. Time is in a position where he could get away with being controlling and demeaning toward Dark with absolutely no accountability.
But the only times he’s been violent toward Dark have been when he’s been directly provoked. In chapter 6 of HSH: The Brave, the Fierce Deity pays a visit to Dark at home, and he really doesn’t hold back:
As Dark unlocked the deadbolt, the door burst open in his face.
Dark stumbled backward as a leather briefcase smacked him directly in the forehead. Before he could recover, the Fierce Deity barrelled into him, shoving him down the short hallway and into the first solid object they encountered. Dark shouted as he was pinned to the kitchen cabinets, locking his hands around the Deity’s wrists as he struggled to wrench the man away from his throat.
“You’re a dead man!”
But this, again, has a direct cause that’s pointed out in the scene immediately prior: Time has made the connection that the accident that hurt his boys and nearly killed Wild was caused by Dark, and he assumed that Dark was working as a double agent and still serving Ganon.
Time's most recent episode of violence took place in the latest chapter of LMTCOY, in which Time whales on Dark when he catches him in the kitchen being a total fucking creep toward Wild. Here, he walked in on a scenario where he thought that Dark was either going to molest or hurt Wild, where Wild was clearly giving off some frightened body language cues, and remember that the last time Time found Wild pinned against a countertop in his kitchen by an intruder, half of the kid’s face was on fire. Time wasn’t looking for an excuse to snap in this case; he panicked because Wild was in danger, and he was triggered by the memory of what had happened to him in Termina.
Now, don’t get me wrong. Time isn’t perfect, and I don’t want him to be. He is deeply flawed and he has horrible coping mechanisms that are rooted in a long history of trauma. Time has been exploited by others for years. He was manipulated and groomed to be a murderer from a young age, even by those who from the outside appear to have "good" intentions. In the past, he's had to become violent and hurt or kill others if he wanted to survive. But it's not something he wants to do. He even mutters a prayer for forgiveness immediately before killing a Yiga soldier in HSH for the Holidays.
And that's part of what sets Time apart from being an abuser. With the trauma response, even if Time inflicts harm on others that may be “deserved,” he doesn’t think that his actions are okay. He demonstrates remorse and he tries to do better. He apologizes to Malon and comes clean to her at the end of HSH1. He’s started going to therapy and is actively trying to work through his trauma and violent tendencies. He wants to be better for his boys, but gods damn if it's not an uphill battle for him.
And that's part of why this point is so close to my heart. Time wants to be a good man, and he works very hard toward that goal no matter how many times life beats him back down. But he keeps getting back up. He keeps trying. And if Time can keep trying and keep working at being a better man, then maybe there's hope for the rest of us who struggle with our own issues.
(Very many thanks to a very dear friend of mine for providing some of the background information on abusiveness and trauma.)
#stormy asks#hsh time#home sweet home#townhouse au#hsh#uh sorry this is so long#i just have A Lot of Feelings about Time's internal struggles
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