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#except to say that as someone from a homogenous (white) country currently living in western europe i really see a difference in awareness
poetka · 7 months
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Why is it such a shitstorm of a day today... so fucking draining and none of it has anything to do with me personally
#polish influencers turning out to be pieces of shit abusers and/or groomers#and the colourism drama with shinee... which i don't thing is as bad as people make it out to be but whatever i don't want to talk about it#except to say that as someone from a homogenous (white) country currently living in western europe i really see a difference in awareness#about a lot of issues but especially in terms of racism compared to my friends back home#and koreans saying something colorist to another korean doesn't mean they hate black people and have malicious intent 😭#you just don't see it if you're not interacting with poc every day. i have leftist friends back home who's unknowingly said worse stuff#alas they are grown men aware of their international audience so maybe some thinking (and editing) can be expected. still disappointed#like idk i don't want to defend them especially since i'm white but. projecting a western perspective on them is unfair#and i've actually been thinking about this a lot in the past few month like how conversations we're having about social issues have really#shifted and are focusing on the american reality even though it's not really relevant to us in a lot of ways#and i'm finding myself clicking out of video essays after 10 mins because i realise it's a waste of time and i need to look for local voices#like this is both in terms of serious matters and even stuff like streamers stealing views away from content creators. which is a non-issue#in poland because streams are not popular enough to decrease the original video's view count in any significant way#and we have many other problems that i want to hear about. alcohol abuse among young people is such a big problem in ireland#i don't need to listen to americans talk about their red cups or w/e. and i shouldn't. if i actually want to understand the issue here
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chibimyumi · 4 years
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Hello Chibimyumi, I apologise in advance for the uncomfortable question I have about the musicals. I hope I'm mistaken, but for those musicals where Soma and Agni are included, is it truly the case that they are portrayed by actors in brownface? Is this a common occurrence, and what is public perception of this in Japan today?
Dear Anon,
You ask an incredibly good but complicated question. It is great to hear that you are aware of how cultural contexts can play into such matters. Now, since you asked, I’d ask you all to strap in; this is going to be quite a ride.
Short answer
If you mean whether the actors used darker make-up to portray a race with a darker skin tone, then yes. The actors are all ethnically Japanese without any Indian heritage to the best of everyone’s knowledge.
However, before we can discuss this “whether this is an issue”, the following is what I need all readers here to keep in mind at all times (i.e. don’t continue reading with White SJ in mind). Namely: In Japan and Japanese live theatre medium especially, ‘[colour] face’ has entirely different connotations than in the White West. To anyone mid-pounce of their attack in light of social justice, halt. Please hear me out. I am talking ONLY about Japan.
Brown Face in Japan?
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Demographics
So, before we begin, I wish to instill in you all that Japan is very, very homogeneous in comparison to most other countries. Japan has LESS THAN 2% of ethnically non-Japanese people, and half of this >2% is ethnically Chinese or Korean. So yes, in Japan, ONLY 1% is racially and phenotypically different than the native Japanese.  Japanese people are the natives in Japan, so they consider their skin ‘neutral’; it is NOT coloured. Then there are the ‘white coloured’ people who are semi-neutral, and you have everyone else who have a ‘darker colour’.
Now with this framework in mind, let us jump to how this demographic makeup affects the theatre world. For clarity’s sake I shall discuss this in sections.
Section 1 - Poor, poor industry
Japanese theatre and especially 2.5D industries are really poor. As discussed in full detail in this post about the extreme harm of pirating JP theatre, the vast majority of theatre actors need to juggle 2 or 3 jobs to make a living because most theatre companies ONLY pay the performers for their stage time (no rehearsal pay, no food, no accommodation). One run of a show is usually no more than 5 or 6 weeks. If one show gets a run of 3 months, that is considered ridiculously long. So far, only the top three Japanese theatre companies can manage such long runs, being: Takarazuka, TOHO and Shiki.
Section 2 - ‘Broad utility value’ and chances
The super short runs means that on average, an actor only has an income for 5 or 6 weeks for one job, even though their work for one production takes much more time than that (formal rehearsal is usually one month, but there’s a lot of ‘homework’ and ‘overwork’ too). This again means that in order to make a living in the theatre industry, a performer needs to have ‘broad utility value’, that is to say: they need to be ‘castable’ into as many roles as possible, and therefore ‘neutral’.
The selling stories in Japan usually have an all-Japanese or all-white character list, as you all must have noticed. When there are non-white foreigners in such stories, they’re usually countable on the fingers of one hand. And sadly, when they are present they‘re often comic relief, antagonists, or ‘exotic accessories’.
The wider sentiment in Japan is that if you are ‘neutral coloured’ you can be painted into a different colour. But if you are ‘darker than neutral’, you can’t be painted lighter. “You cannot take the colour away”, so to say. That is the reason why in Japan, darker skinned minorities would have very little incentive to sign up for the theatre industry. Why bother get a job that pays so terrible and ONLY be allowed minor/bad roles if there happen to be darker skinned characters once in a blue moon? Why bother competing with ‘neutral’ skinned people who can replace you easily?
In a nutshell, the terribly racist reality is that darker skinned actors are not considered to have broad utility value because the entertainment industry and common populace decided so. With so few dark skinned characters and the wide acceptance that ‘neutral’ skinned people can be painted into any other colour, darker skinned people’s chances of getting by on theatre work is just very slim. The entertainment industry makes itself very unappealing to these people, and indeed resulted in a shortage of darker skinned performers.
This current shortage means that if a production wants to feature differently skinned characters without ‘brown facing’, they’d have trouble finding enough people who: 1. are ‘the correct colour’, 2. are willing to work for virtually no pay, and 3. also have the skills to perform in Japanese language (many of these people also really lack the practice to build up theatre skills because - as explained - they have very little outlook in this field). So again, “why bother going through the trouble if you can just paint these actors white and those actors brown? Same difference right? Here have some brown foundation and you’re good to go!”
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Section 3 - The race is the costume
Well, is painting Japanese actors white or brown ‘same difference’? In practice... to Japan, ‘yes’. Japan does not have an issue with pretending to be a different race through make-up. This means that there is no concept of ‘brown face’ or ‘any other-colour-face’. Seeing Japanese actors painted white in modern theatre and cosplay is the standard. Countless modern theatre shows feature almost exclusively white characters, after all.
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As a representative example, Kuromyu mostly has white characters. But so far it has had 4 mixed-race actors in 10 years! However, all of them are partially white, meaning they’re “““light neutral””” or even “““extra pretty”””.  
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There is no such thing as ‘white face’ in Japan, and outside Japan, nobody (in their right mind) should compare ‘white face’ to ‘black face’. When the Europeans arrived in Japan, the Japanese were actively challenged to prove themselves as white as possible. Japan was spared from colonisation because they proved themselves “white civilised enough” for the Europeans. That is the Japanese-Western legacy: “pretending to be a colour is part of ‘modernisation’ and ‘globalisation’”. If painting a ‘neutral’ person white is okay, why wouldn’t painting someone ‘brown’ be? It sounds quite hypocritical to Japanese people because Japan has a different racial relationship than the White West has.
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Unlike white-colonising countries, Japan does not have such a long and problematic history regarding brown/black races, hence there is also no collective guilt about having systematically oppressed and excluded dark skinned people. In the White West if you paint someone darker it’s because they don’t want to employ dark skinned people. In Japan however, it’s because there are hardly any darker skinned people to actually take the job. It’d be an altogether different problem for the theatre industry to just go: “we shall only stage all-Japanese-characters productions now!” ... that’s what they did in Imperial Japan during WWII, and that was NOT pretty.
Besides, Japan in being so homogeneous, we can imagine why awareness of ‘brown/black face’ was never deemed immediately ‘necessary’ in Japan. In combination with the legacy of ‘pretending to be a colour is fine’, the current status quo had taken shape.
Unlike American media or South Korean media, Japan predominantly creates solely for the purpose of domestic consumption. Hence the DVDs are often sold in Japan only without subtitles. Hence that many websites are Japan restricted. Japanese theatre no exception, it’s made by Japanese, for the Japanese, in Japan. As explained above, because there is no concept of problematic x-colour-face, then why bother avoiding it?
Section 4 - Orientalism though....
So, are Soma and Agni ‘brown face’ in Kuromyu? Not in the same way it would be in a Euro-American way, but that does not mean it’s ‘no problem at all’.
The main problem in Japan is not the ‘brown face’, but Orientalism. The common Japanese people would not bat a single eye at two Indian characters going on and on about curry, elephants and Hindu Gods. But unlike ‘colour-face’ not really being a problem in Japan because of different cultural heritage, the perpetuation of stereotypes cannot be excused.
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When there are so few dark skinned characters in an otherwise all-white/ “neutral” cast, it surely is quite aggravating that the musical chose to reduce Indian people to... well, curry, elephants and Hindu Gods. Had the writers not reduced Indian culture to a stereotype however, then as long as the portrayal of dark-skinned people is respectful, ‘brown face’ really is not a problem in Japan, just like ‘white face’ is not.
Conclusion
In this post I have discussed the demographic makeup of Japan, the terrible circumstances of the theatre industry, and how this lead to a real lack of dark-skinned performers. The lack of dark-skinned actors, in turn, means that if a theatre/film industry doesn’t want to go ‘pure Japanese race pride!!!’, they’d have to ‘paint actors into a race’.
Japan narrowly having escaped white colonialism also means that the Japanese have a very different awareness about race and sensitivity. In being challenged to ‘perform the white race’ in the 19th century, Japan gained a legacy wherein ‘race is just performative’.
That Japan has a different cultural heritage and racial history can explain why x-‘colour-face’ is non-problematic in Japan. Applying white-social-justice to Japanese standards would cause entirely different problems simply because the Japanese demographic makeup and film/theatre industry simply cannot adopt this western standard without doing more harm than good. This Japanese heritage however, does NOT excuse offensive stereotyping of people however.
So in a nutshell: Soma and Agni are not ‘brown face’ in Japanese context because there is no such concept. However, there is a problem, and it lies in the Orientalist stereotyping of Indian culture.
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fapangel · 7 years
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You've mentioned "The Big One" with China a few times now. Mind giving us your back-of-the-dust-jacket summary of what you think's gonna happen?
Short version: China gets their assholes kicked square. 
Long version: China knows they can’t possibly prevail in an all-out, knock-out brawl, but they do think they can bloody our noses bad enough to make us think twice about sticking it into “their” backyard. Imperial Japan thought that way too -  and back then, there was actually a good possibility they were right - but then they cocked it up by kicking us in the balls without provocation. Then we fucking crushed them.
America’s comparative power versus China is far greater than it was versus Imperial Japan in 1941. We’re also the end-product of a fifty-year long Cold War in which the name of the game was expanding one’s hegemony over as much of the globe as possible, through every and all means possible, which has resulted in a vast network of military bases, regional alliances and diplomatic clout that look our 1941 strength look pathetic by comparison. In 1941 it was still mostly MONROE DOCTRINE GET OUT OF MY HEMISPHERE REEEE, as evidenced by the very strong isolationist sentiment arguing against involvement in WWII. Post WWII, it was “if you don’t send the CIA in to spy, meddle and murder, you get Soviet SRBMs in Cuba, checkmate, good night, RIP America.” For five decades it was a matter of life and death to be the biggest swinging dick in as much of the world as possible - and now that Putin’s restarted the Cold War and terrorism (which is a psychological/propaganda war as much as anything else) is the second-biggest threat, that swinging-dick philosophy is once again relevant. That’s on top of it being ingrained in both American and international views of world affairs. 
That’s the fancy way of saying that if they bloody our nose - or attack Taiwan, or Japan, or the Philippines, or anyone else that has asked for and traditionally received our protection, the American public will treat it very much like Pearl Harbor. Even if they manage to sink the 7th fleet’s carrier in Yokosuka - especially if they manage that - it’s only going to lead to a hardened conviction to see America’s superpower status affirmed, and that sense of security returned - and the only way to do that would be to chew up the entire Chinese armed forces and shit them out. 
And we absolutely can do it. We have more carriers in reserve, at dock, than most nations have ever built. We can cross the largest ocean on earth and kick in their shit and it’s all they can do just to pose a credible threat to us in their own backyard. America is not someone to fuck with lightly. But they will fuck with us. There’s two reasons for that. 
The first is the nuclear deterrent. See, if you’re a non-nuclear nation, and you wind up and kick America in the balls - say, by blowing up two skyscrapers in New York - America shows up at your door, sits on your head, and shits down your throat nonstop forever. And I do mean fucking forever - not only do they keep your clay, (Okinawa, South Korea, Guantanamo Bay,) but they can singlehandedly resign your country to decades of miserable, grueling poverty (Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc.) because you do not lightly fuck with the United States. You do not go to America. America comes to you. And sometimes they do it just because you pissed them off one too many times. If you are the leader of Fuckistan, discussing the possibility of some light-to-moderate fuckery with the US and/or their allies or interests, you - and everyone else in the room - knows that this might well end with your head popping off at the end of a hangman’s rope, like Saddam and/or being sodomized before summary execution after being pulled out of a spider hole, like Ghaddafi. You do not lightly fuck with the United States. 
Unless you have nukes. Because the entire point of nukes are to guarantee a nation’s existential survival - “destroy us, and we take you down with us.” With the possibility of being made very fucking dead off the table, all sorts of gambles become a lot more palpable. Especially if you have some economic clout to weather sanctions. Look at fucking Iran - not nearly the economic clout of China, but as hard as sanctions have been on them, they have persisted in their pursuit of WMD and are still playing fucking games after the “deal,” because having nukes will give them a much freer hand. So imagine how China, with their economy, evaluates the risks. 
Second is psychology. I’ve already explained why American Hegemony is so important to the United States that we’ll fight a war to defend it - while the renewed strategic importance is a significant factor, it owes even more to the psychology of five decades of practicing it as a matter of life-or-death. The Cold War was a prolonged dogfight, i.e. a grueling battle where winning the battle for position is everything, and weapons release is a final formality. And since America - arguably the most liberal nation on earth - formed the hegemonic core of pretty much the entire “free world” against a union of oppressive, Orwellian police state hellholes, it played right into the Good Versus Evil storyline, a concept so natural to humans that it features in most of our stories for as long as we’ve been telling them. 
Now get this - China also has a Righteous Empire narrative, but they’ve had it for longer than America has existed as a nation, and they don’t need any of that Good Versus Evil, Leader of the Free World bullshit to justify it, either. Unlike Europe, which has been one long bar brawl for most of history, China’s been like an Irish-Catholic family - always beating the shit out of each other, but still a family. There’s an ethnic, cultural, and ideological homogeneity to China that you just don’t find in the West. The “Holy Roman Empire” was considered to be a good fuckin giggle (m8) by the people who lived under it, even - China was much different. 
Look at you, Mr. White Dude reading this - you’re used to being Western, comfortable and confident in being First World, as opposed to those poor motherfuckers in Bumfuckistan who still herd fucking cattle like they’re living in 750 AD. It’s a simple matter of fact that you, and your culture, run the fucking world because you were the leader in science, math, and pretty much everything. YOU A WINNAR. It’s not a matter of pride - it’s just how it is. 
That’s how China views itself - except moreso, because besides being a cultural, scientific and technological powerhouse just as big and bad as the West for most of history, they were also an actual cohesive Empire for the most part. They view China as the Center of the World, and the current world is just The Empire regaining its rightful ascendancy over everyone else. With a generous side helping of IMPERIALISTS GET OUT REEEE, of course. They’re similar to Russia in this regard - Russia is also a massive nation who’s natural resources, size and relative cultural/ethnic homogeneity have always made it an inevitable superpower - but China has an Imperial history - and grudges - graven much deeper. And unlike Russia, they’re in an economic position to do something about it. 
This Earth ain’t big enough for two superpowers - never has been, never will be. Only so many dicks can get swung around in the South China Sea, and only for so long before they collide and the jousting match begins. (No homo.) The first reason (nuclear deterrent/homeland safe from Ultimate Defeat) is like the second in that it’s shared with the United States, you’ll note. It’s the classic unstoppable force meets immovable object. 
It’s going to be a mess. 
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