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sojirosteacup · 3 months

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Hanadan character name meanings

As it is common with anime/manga characters, the characters in Hana Yori Dango have names that relate to their storyline. In this post, I'll attempt to translate the names of the main characters from Japanese.

Warning, long post under the cut:

Before we begin

All their names are pretty much the same in mandarin, with the exception of Tsukushi/Shancai, so these translations partially fit Meteor Garden too. (but I don't know mandarin, so I can't give you more than this, sorry)

Due to the way korean names work (and the unfortunate implications of giving korean characters japanese sounding names), they were completely renamed in the K-drama. I'm gonna make a separate post for their korean names later.

They were also renamed in the thai drama but I know nothing about thai, so I won't even try to translate those, sorry (I make one speculation in this post and that's it, lol).

Japanese names, when written in japanese characters, have the family name coming first and personal name second. That's the order I'm gonna use here.

I make a few stretches here and there because I'm not a native japanese speaker nor a specialist in japanese name meanings. This was translated with the help of two japanese dictionary apps/sites and my obsession with this fucking manga.

Now that you read all of this, let's begin with our protagonist:

Makino Tsukushi (牧野つくし)

Her name is the most obvious one because the story revolves around it, but lets take a look at it anyway

牧野 (Makino) Let's look at the kanji for it separately:

牧 (Boku, Maki) - breed, care for, shepherd, feed, pasture

野 (ya, no) - plains, field, rustic, civilian life

牧野 (Makino), can also be read as Bokuya, which means "pasture land" or "ranch".

Her name つくし (Tsukushi) doesn't use Kanji, but it's mentioned many times in that story that is a type of weed plant.

If I were to put everything together and attempt to translate it, it turns into something like… Pasture land weed.

Poor girl.

Doumyouji Tsukasa (道明寺司)

道明寺 (Doumyouji) - If you look at these characters apart, they don't mean anything in particular

道 (Dou) means road, path, street, teachings (like in the martial art judo, or the art of tea ceremony, chadou)

明 (myou) means wisdom, mantra, light, bright [insert obvious joke about F4 thailand here].

寺 (Ji) is a counter for temple, which is why Yuuki's ex, in the double date in the manga, makes fun of him asking if his family lived in a temple. 寺 is also a radical in the kanji 時 (toki) (hour) and the word 時間 (jikan) (time), which I guess is where they took Thyme`s nickname from.

But 道明寺 (Doumyouji) as a whole is the name of a japanese street candy. Kamio once said on her twitter that the F4 was based off a dango and all of them were supposed to be named after candy, but she ended up scrapping the idea because she didn`t have time to think of candy names for all of them. Doumyouji was the only one that kept the original naming concept.

Now let's go to the rest of his name:

司 (Tsukasa, Shi) - director, official, rule. (Fun fact: there is a verb, tsukasadoru, that means "to be in charge, to manage, to rule, to govern, to control")

This one is obvious, Tsukasa is the leader of the F4.

If I were to put both names together and translate his full name it would mean something like… Candy ruler. He is the leader of the dango that is the F4. 🍡

He doesn`t sound that threatening when we put it like this lol

Hanazawa Rui (花沢類)

花沢 (Hanazawa) - Let`s look at the words separately:

花 (hana) means flower

沢 (sawa) means valley, swamp, marsh, brilliance, grace

Hanazawa would mean something like "flower valley" (I don't know if it could translate as "flower grace")

類 (Rui) means sort, kind, variety, similar

If I were to translate his full name, it would be something like: "A kind of flower valley" or, if I really stretch it, "Like a flower valley"

And notice this funny thing: Tsukasa and Rui's names are a walking spoiler! Hana Yori Dango, the name of the manga itself, is oficially translated as "Boys over flowers", but another translation of it could be "Candy (Dango) over flowers". If Doumyouji is the candy leader and Hanazawa is a flower valley… Damn, I wonder who the main character is going to choose. /s

Now to my favorite boy Nishikado Soujirou (西門総二郎):

(西門) Nishikado:

西 (nishi) means west

門 (kado, mon) means gate and, as I recently found out, "branch of learning based on the teachings of a single master". Obviously, his name comes from the second meaning.

So, Nishikado would mean "Branch of learning (tea ceremony) from the west" or "Lineage of (tea ceremony) masters from the west".

With "Soujirou", let's start with Jirou first:

二 (ni, Ji) - Two. That's literally the kanji for the number 2. No mystery here.

郎 (rou) - Counter for sons.

So if it's not obvious yet, 二郎 (Jirou) is used in names to mean that the person is the second son. You see it in anime character names all the time, look for it, you'll find it.

総 (Sou) - whole, all, overall, entire

The "Sou" part is maybe not supposed to mean anything in particular, but if you are still reading this long ass post you want to see me try to find a meaning for it. So if i stretch it, maybe it could be "full second son" (which doesn't make much sense) or, if I really stretch it, it could maybe mean "Second of all sons"

So his name would be: "Second son overall from the west lineage of (tea ceremony) masters"

Boy that's not a name, that's a whole ass title. 😭

And, yes, his older brother is called Souichirou, and by this logic his younger brother is probably called Sousaburou, or something like that.

Last but not least: Mimasaka Akira (美作あきら)

美 (mi, bi) means beauty, beautiful

作 (saka, sa, tsuku) means prepare, to make, build (it's the same kanji used in the verb Tsukuru - to make, to produce)

Mimasaka would mean something like "Make beauty" or "beautifully made"

Akira (あきら), on the other hand… it doesn't use a Kanji. It's the same case as Tsukushi, except with her we know the meaning because the character herself says it. But Akira doesn't, so i have no idea what it could mean since we don't have the kanji for it.

(sorry Akira)

But translating what it can, it would mean "Akira makes beauty" or even "The beautifully made Akira" (which at least sounds cool asf, come on)

#hana yori dango #boys over flowers #meteor garden #meta #i was going to take longer to make this post but i feel sad today so i decided to write it to cheer myself up #japanese

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mirtifero · 1 year

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Me ranting about Nolanverse Jonathan Crane,

Because it's either that or me losing it.

Warning: THIS IS FUCKING HUGE.

Contents:

Mixed feelings

How they could have done it better

WHAT THE FUCK

This guy is a FLEV you cannot say otherwise and personality database is wrong SHUT UP (skippable)

Conclusion

Note: topic 4 is very oversimplified. Do not tell my friend I refuse to talk more about theory than I already did on a SCARECROW POST. I'm too lazy to explain topic by topic like he told me to. Shhh

1. Mixed feelings

Okay so first of all what the fuck. Why did they cast Cillian Murphy here. LISTEN, he did great, and that's exactly my issue. If this Scarecrow wasn't filled to the brim with potential I'd just say "it was a mistake to cast Murphy as him" and move on. HOWEVER! He slayed that role. I dare to say he saved that Scarecrow. So why... why is he that conventionally pretty? That's not Jonathan Crane at all! He's... he's an old, (beauty norms wise) ugly man! Why is he young and beautiful???

He's evil, he's perfectly sadomasochistic, perfectly curious and. and evil. okay. I like it when he's evil and a little bit out of it (<3). He's perfect on that aspect! He's great! His... his design is what bothers me so much! His ways are uncanny so even if I have my complaints it fills its role so... just... why!!! Why!!!!! Every time someone says "I don't like him, he doesn't feel like Scarecrow to me" I get it!!! I get it!!!!! I get it so much because there's something so off about him and that's so sad!! Because when you look closely... he's interesting.

He's literally so interesting. I loved reading his wiki. He's evil and manipulative and a gross little sadistic bastard. He is obsessed with fear in a way I love, just perfect for Scarecrow. He's meticulous and aesthetic-obsessed. He, in many ways, reminds me of BTAA Scarecrow, who is, in my opinion, the best one to ever exist!!!

2. What they could have done better

They had the chance to make (one of) the most queer coded Scarecrow and have a magnificent take on his appearance and his backstory.

I think this would have upset Nolan's target audience (annoying dudebros), and wouldn't have pleased many Scarecrow fans that aren't tumblr-levels of online insanity. However, it would have fixed the gap in his backstory ("why was he bullied for his appearance?"). Men are bullied for being feminine-looking, and considering his conservative southern backstory, it would be the perfect match. Skinny, pretty-faced, different from everything Nolan's movie praises: that masculinity full of roughness and violence. Something like this would create a perfect contrast between him and Nolan's Batman and could create many interesting concepts.

By creating this base, this idea of an insecurity regarding his own prettiness, one may open many interesting doors of character exploration. Does he decide to use that in his favour? How does this impact his obsession with fear? The physical aspect of this will be explored in the FLEV topic so I don't get too annoying here specifically.

Anyways! By doing this, it would surely differ from different Scarecrows, but it would still be extremely interesting! How is his love for fear connect, or how can we as an audience connect that to his queerness? The Scarecrow nickname can also be explored here very, very interestingly.

By adding this miserable detail of his bullying being because he looked FEMININE and because of any sort of queerness opens doors to many, many things.

Also just fucking use him more than a punching bag. By just reading his wiki you can find so much about him and one would just... not know? Because he is just thrown there? He's a waste of potential! He should have been a main villain in at least one movie and no the first one doesn't count because the main villain (WHO IS ALSO WASTED GREATLY!!) is Ra's.

And excuse me but this is seen as the "best adaptation" and yada yada so if they had so much power not just fucking delve better into their own characters.

Sure I'm no movie expert to say HOW they could fit all of that. But they COULD HAVE. They COULD HAVE delved into Jonathan. The potential was RIGHT THERE! Something DIFFERENT with him, and yet, they decided to go for mr pretty face that appears to be punched on the gut and disappear.

That's why people dislike the character! He could have been, he was not. Therefore, he's a pretty face. And Jonathan is not a pretty face. So it isn't Jonathan. And I get it. Because I'm also angry at what they did with him. They wasted his potential. Being different isn't a bad thing, but at least explore it!!!!!

3. WHAT THE FUCK

WHY IS HE LIKE THAT. WHY DOES HE.

Okay how do I begin this.

WHY THE FUCK.

WHAAT THE FUCKKKKKKK.

Okay let me try to be more. Coherent.

Why does he look so fucking horny when Batman is around this is fucking HILARIOUS.

And can be so interestingly explored.

Jesus christ I took a break from writing this and got jumpscared from reading what I wrote wait let me try to be less insane.

His sadomasochism is insane bro. (psychic damage 12d8)

I'm honestly obsessed with this part of his personality. It reminds me of BTAA crane and Fear State crane and some others, in a way. He just looks absolutely stunning but his fucking brain is so not normal(tm) that he just did that on the third movie. Looking absolutely horrendous babygirl. Just reminds me so bad of this like. Okay idk if anyone can see it but I can and that's what matters god bless.

I just love when he looks unhindged.

Anyways.

Also can we talk about his obsession with Batman I love when they make him a little obsessed. And silly. Also he sounds so fucking annoying I love it so muchhh dude... fucking bastard!!! His backstory is unhindged this guy is insane he's absolutely obsessed with fear and also manipulative and sadistic and okay the physical aspect of fear will be talked... NOW!!!!!!!

4. This guy is a FLEV you cannot say otherwise and personality database is wrong SHUT UP (skippable)

Aka the one that I'll look like someone talking to a wall.

IF I FUCK UP ON ANY THEORY BIT IM SO SORRY PLEASE DONT KILL ME (IM TALKING TO YOU MY FRIEND I WILL SEND THIS TO WHEN I FINISH WRITING)

In case you don't know what I'm talking about... this is about Attitudinal Psyche (which I keep mispelling... SORRY). It's a personality typing system, to put it very shortly. It most analyses an individual's actions regarding three aspects: Logical (L), Physical (F), Emotional (E) and Volitional (V). These can be positioned in three different huhh "places" (I suck at explaining sorry), them being: confident (1), flexible (2), insecure (3) and unbothered (4).

It's... not as simple as that, though. The names may be misleading and the way each interact with each other may be quite different from type to type. If you for some fucking reason want to know more I linked the site there.

"You believe in this stuff?"

Short answer: no.

Long answer: I believe it can't be used as a way to determine someone's personality, but a very interesting guide to it. I like the fact that it is more complex than MBTI and that therefore it is more hidden from astrology obsessed fucks that are annoying about it (like "oohh im an INFP i cant help it<3" or whatever. no one does this with AP because no one knows about it lol). It is, however, INCREDIBLY, and I mean, ABSURDELY useful when writing characters. It is very interesting when observing characters' actions and putting them in light in an almost mathematical way... Let's say it saved my ass from mischaracterization quite the amount of times.

NOW.

THEY ARE WRONG.

idk shit about the other stuff so idc idc but HIS ASS IS NOT FLVE!!!!

HE'S FLEV!!!

I hope this doesn't get too big because I want to. Elaborate. So, first, let's see FLVE's (WRONG) introduction:

"FLVE is the Attitudinal Psyche type that seems the most interested in the value, worth, structure and potential power of the world that surrounds them. The FLVE appears to be protecting their right to exist wherever they desire by completely resisting any outside forces that try to manipulate or encroach on their space or personal decisions in any way. They may come off quiet, stoic, grounded, aggressive, indiscriminately blunt, immovable, shy, awkward, and even unapproachable – but will open up easily when given the chance to discuss topics related to logistics or intricate details. The FLVE seems to want control over their identity through fully theorizing and testing hypotheses of what holds the most worth or value in their lives."

I put in bold some things. It's just wrong.

I'm going to be honest, I don't even know how people came to this conclusion.

Because even if we superficially analyse the positions, it doesn't feel right. Why is he a 3V here? Superficially speaking, an insecure volition leads to people not knowing what they are, what they want to do, and desperaately want to fix it. Crane isn't... like that? He's not insecure on where his life is heading, he, in fact, doesn't seem to care much as long as it takes him to achieving his fear goals (4V).

Another one that is just weird is the 4E. Take this bit from the 4E in FLVE page as an example:

"FLVEs have a deceptive 4E, as they can appear more invested in their emotions than they are. The combination of aggressive 1F and 3V can give them an angry, reactive emotional tone but the internal experience of the FLVE is a detached devaluing of what their emotions actually mean. FLVEs rarely introspect deeply about how they feel or relate to others, and prefer to listen to feedback regarding the impressions they give off."

Just. AKSJKSKASJAK IT'S NOT HIM AT ALL!!!

He looks extremely deceptive when it comes to emotions, yes, but not because he seems... invested in them or seems to angry and reactive. It's specifically because he sees no use in expressing emotions in environments he feels as unsafe, and he sees barely any use in emotions at all so there's also that (all being very 4E). AND FEEDBACK?? THE WIKI SAYS HE WAS LITERAALLY THE MOST ANNOYING MOTHER FUCKER TO LIVE ON THAT UNIVERSITY AND HE DIDN'T GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT IT!

Okay now. Time to start explaining that, since he isn't a FLVE, then what is he?

My friend will punch me for not starting with explaining why he's on Pente Sexta but I can't find the theory bit he's referring to so uh maybe later! Just trust me when I mention the Pente Sexta quirk.

WHY IS HE A FLEV?

"FLEV is the Attitudinal Psyche type that seems the most interested in using details and logical musings to gradually transform their environment to be whatever fulfills their sensual and physical needs. The FLEV appears to be protecting their need for comfort, both psychologically and physically, through gathering data and scrutinizing its value to them personally. They may come off as hedonistic, comfort seeking, lax, immovable, heady, satirical, tasteful, picky, detail-oriented, philosophical, spiritual, mystical, or ironic if they are a particularly opinionated individual. The FLEV seems to want control over their identity through gathering and sharing information that they believe will deepen a sense of worth and value towards their lives."

NOW we're off to a better start.

At first glance, it may seem... off, inaccurate, maybe. So let's take a closer look at FLEV:

1F: "why would he have a 1F, why would he be confident on his physics" you may be wondering, my fellow Scarecrow enjoyer. Yes, it doesn't make sense AT FIRST. However! Take a look at the 1F description in FLEV:

"FLEVs have a picky and sometimes vocal relationship to the physics aspect. This type does not shy away from expressing what they like and dislike in their surroundings. They have a strong fascination with aesthetics and mood ¹, similar to their sister type FELV. However, FLEVs are much more lax and hidden about the emotions that drive them. This type wants to be the authority of all incoming senses and will refuse to allow others to tamper with their comforts if they have already claimed them ². FLEVs do not like to waste time in direct confrontation with others, so they tend to pre-meditate and plan around potential conflict that may overwhelm them with negative emotion or dramatics ³. This type gives off an air of hedonism that communicates to others that the FLEV will get what they desire in the physical world no matter how others protest. For this reason, FLEVs can appear highly chaotic and physically vivacious if their vulnerabilities are triggered into action. This type may have a fascination with physical activities that provide abundance like: gardening, farming, metalworking, thrift-shopping, and collecting. This only aids into the typical view of the FLEV as someone highly focused on the value they can attain from the material world."

Okay so, let's break down three main things here (but everything in bold is nice to my point):

"strong fascination with aesthetics and mood" - oh c'mon the guy wears a Scarecrow mask. Motherfucker rode on a horse during that mess in the Narrows. He's obsessed with the creepy little aesthetic.

"wants to be the authority of all incoming senses and will refuse to allow others to tamper with their comforts if they have already claimed them" - quite self-explanatory. Look at that guy. Sure, he may not be THE authority in Ra's plan, for example, but he does see himself in some position of power, and is quite protective of the physical comfort (his materials for the fear toxin) the alliance provided him, which is... quite shown when he drugs Falcone. He pretty much didn't want him to fucking bother them.

"do not like to waste time in direct confrontation with others, so they tend to pre-meditate and plan around potential conflict that may overwhelm them with negative emotion or dramatics" - quite self-explanatory too. He just doesn't seem to bother much, let's say.

There is, however, a quirk that I will mention in... a second. It doesn't change the basis but it does change a little thing.

2L: I believe this is, although the easiest one to understand, the hardest one to explain.

"FLEVs have a highly active relationship with the logic aspect. This type wastes no time digging into the details, particularly physical, of everything they observe. They tend to carefully consider information regardless of source, and interrelate it to all other sources and past experiences they have had with that particular idea. There is a hyperactivity present in willingness to entertain new possibilities and ideas surrounding logic that only few types can match. Along with the focus on logic, FLEVs can become collectors of philosophical ideas. Like all pentes, there is a strong focus on the past and how it compares to current ideas in humanity. [...] If their interests do not stretch that far back in history, they will instead tend towards endless breadth of outside opinions rather than depth. Regardless of their focus, this type does not stop collecting data and feeding it into the sensual vision of their life. FLEVs desire to share opinions and encourage others to join along, even if they strongly disagree with their ideas."

I believe it is quite self-explanatory, but I must say that FLEV's are easy to be passionate about philosophical ideas... does that ring a bell?

(this is from the wiki):

"Crane prepared himself to make a grand theory to prove that fear was the basis of all of humanity's errors and "cure" it by ushering mankind with the fear-induction within his hallucinogen into a true Garden of Eden where all of its worst fears came true and were conquered, with him as its benevolent ruler."

(I find the last bit quite silly. Not a big fan of it, but whatever, let's not get off topic)

To explain why his Logics is there I also want to point out about this on the Pente Sexta page (where FLEV is):

Process Emotion & Logic: Pentes prefer to process, discuss and partake in a journey through emotion and logic. You will often hear them conversing in depth about education, artistry, vocalization, communication and ideology.

I believe he's quite the calculative, meticulously sadistic villain... which makes him having a 2L and a 3E specifically (since the "process" is when things are on either 2 or 3 positions) make quite sense. "But why not 2E and 3L? Why is his emotion on 'insecure'? He seems so collected... and he's a psychiatrist!" that's what I'm going to delve into... NOW!

3E:

The simplest way that I could explain why he's 3E is that he does not see emotions as a good thing necessarily, and sees them more as tools to achieve goals (AKA emotional manipulation, but this is not the overall case for any 3E, I'm talking about Jonathan-fucking-Crane). But that's too vague. Let me once again copy paste the site's description:

"FLEVs tend to have a firmly concealed 3E attitude. This type often refuses to express their emotions and believes that this part of themselves must be saved for entirely safe situations where they cannot be criticized or thrown into emotional turmoil. They may attempt to feel safe by pointing out how hysterical others are and satirizing versions of what they believe are frenzied emotions. [...] FLEVs dislike any situation where emotions may cloud their own judgment or throw them into disappointment or negativity that they did not choose to partake in themselves. They often want a negative experience to have a purpose, and if nothing interesting or of value can be obtained from it, then it is better off left ignored. They can become dejected and sad looking, while refusing to verbalize the emotions held within unless it is aggression or anger."

Jonathan has this calculative, cold and annoying way because of this sort of thing: he sees these emotions as an obstacle. Also... "satirizing versions of what they believe are frenzied emotions"? Fucking hell! He's a smug looking ironic bastard that literally just threw a "not my diagnosis!" on Batman! Isn't that enough proof of how 3E he is???

(did you guys notice I'm really fucking bad at explaining things? Yeah)

4V:

Unbothered volition huh?

"But doesn't he have a goal? That world without fear?"

Well! First of all: take note on how physical this goal is, and how fear to Crane is seen as something on a more physical world than anything else (I believe his toxin shows that pretty well - someone who sees fear as an emotion wouldn't use a toxin that is made having in mind and as a sole objective the physical compensation and reactions. Being it a weird ass fetish or a cuiriosity on seeing how humans physically react to fear and how that physically affects the physical brain and physical world and how the emotions affect it and how he can use the emotions to cause physical reactions to YOU GET IT). And now read this:

FLEVs, like all pente types, can have a mixed state of first and fourth attitudes. They may have short bursts of inspiration to reach a desired future goal but will ultimately use this inspiration to serve a physical need that they value. FLEVs may be highly opinionated about what they like and dislike on an aesthetic level, but easily take orders from others if the goal is seen as useful. This can give off a confusing impression to those who have witnessed the pickiness of this type. Ultimately, the FLEV is open minded to possible future ventures, especially if there are details to obsess over. They may not want to waste time discussing goals as the process is less interesting than reaching a result, but they rarely shoot down opinions in this realm. FLEVs can be very hard workers since they are a 1F type, pushing their body to extremes to reach a coveted physical or environmental state, but there is rarely any extensive thought put into considering other options unless they come across a solution by chance.

The last bit can be ignored idk much about it but notice what's in bold.

AND HERE'S WHERE I'LL TALK ABOUTTTT!!!! THE QUIRK!!!!!:

Did you guys notice it? "Like all pente types"?

Did you notice how his motivations exist and are mixtured in the physical realm?

Now, I invite you to take a look at this bit from the wiki, that talks about the second movie on the trilogy:

"Batman tied up a strangely happy Scarecrow, possibly due to the fact that he felt fear when Batman arrived, [...]"

DID YOU NOTICE IT??? DID YOU NOTICE HOW IT'S A MIXED STATE OF F AND V??? HIS MOTIVATIONS ARE DRIVEN BY A PHYSICAL IDEA AND A PHYSICAL SENSATION... FEAR!

ALMOST FUCKING HEDONISTIC???? WHAT???w NOW REMEMBER WHAT THE INTRODUCTION TO FLEV SAID????

"They may come off as hedonistic,[...]"

DO YOUFUCKINGSEE IT????? His physical interest in the physical world when it comes to fear can COME OFF AS HEDONISTIC.

THIS IS THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT FOR WHY HE'S A FLEV!

For example, another type that I'd understand typing him is VLEF. And I genuenely get why. Genuenely, I do.

But I think this Scarecrow (and overall my favorite ones like BTAA) is more of a FLEV.

Reason being that (IN THIS CASE) the volition is not what causes the physical interest but vice versa. REMINDER THAT PHYSICAL WORLD IS MORE THAN SEX AND BEAUTY IT'S ALSO STUFF LIKE POWER AND FOOD AND YOU GET THE IDEA I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M GOING LIKE "yeah he's all about sex" OKAY????? I just think there's something deeply wrong with him.

I think a VLEF Scarecrow could be arkhamverse or Fear State ones. But I have not delved into that yet.

So yeah, I understand why one would believe he's a VLEF, but I believe other Scarecrows fit this archetype better than Nolanverse (and BTAA, my beloved<3), who is more of a FLEV.

Very aesthetic driven, one could say. I believe Scarecrows tend to vary between either VLEF or FLEV. At least my favorite ones.

THIS ONE IS A FLEV AND SO IS BTAA THO SO STFU PERSONALITY DATABASE IS WRONG!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4. Conclusion

Hii. Heh.

I'm. pffhhf I'm done. Sorry.

I think this Jonathan was trying to do something, but had no time for it. He was used as a pretty face and now he's seen as a bad Scarecrow by many. But I don't believe so. I think he can be scary, and that he can be obsessed, and love the halloween aesthetic.

He's underrated, because even when he is the most mainstream one... barely anyone actually... talks about him. No character exploration, no manipulation, no scary disgusting guy... just... pretty face. Disappointing is not enough to describe how he is treated. I think he deserves better, in canon and fanon.

I started writing this when I was full of energy and not knowing where to throw it so this is probably a mess >_< sorry!

I'm not even a big fan of his. One of his biggest slanderers. But I do think he was done unfairly and that he deserves a second chance in my heart.

Thanks for reading!

#void #Jonathan Crane #<- holy shit me tagging something for once????#dw nolanverse crane fans this is actually quite defensive of him!#sorry for english spelling I'm too lazy to check it #and I have no respect for this language #why did I write this post I am in shambles with myself

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