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#also funny that everything chilton says could be said about himself/hannibal
thedarkmongoose · 6 months
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it's interesting that it pans to will fishing in the stream when chilton says "he likes to play god" bc speaking of religious allegories, will graham is a fisherman and a "fisher of men." both in the profiler sense (he catches criminals), and in the sense that he captures men's hearts (jesus urged his followers to be fishers of men to the gospel). except will's gospel is darkness, and while he doesn't forcibly push people towards it like hannibal, anyone involved with will gets dragged down into the inferno. for he is a fisher of (damned) men. subsequently, the "saving lives is just as arousing as ending them" bit could be said about god, which is a sentiment hannibal shares throughout the series.
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k-s-morgan · 3 years
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Hi there! I've a Hannibal question for you, if you don't mind. Chilton seems like a joke (?) to everyone in the show and a bit of a comedic effect for the audience. He's overly ambitious, trival, and somewhat incompetant. But oddly enough, he's the first to embrace Will's perception of Hannibal and to accept that Hannibal is dangerous. Why is that and what makes Chilton (rather than Alana, Jack, etc) capable of this? Did Hannibal just not bother convincing Chilton otherwise?
Hi! Oh, I agree with this so much - Chilton is a fascinating character exactly because of this duality. On the one hand, he'd indeed a joke: he tries hard to be a good and respectable professional, but he fails at pretty much everything. He's hilariously full of himself and has a funny sense of self-importance, so his scenes are always golden. I don't think Hannibal bothered with tricking him for this reason and also because he was planning to set Chilton up from the start. In some way, it's justified: Chilton becomes illuminated about his identity just because he gets his hands on Will. And yet, despite his overall silliness, Chilton can be very insightful.
Like you said, he is the first to start believing Will's accusations. I also think he says pretty accurate words about Will himself during the trial (even if he's wrong about Will's guilt in this particular case).
Chilton: Will Graham manifests publicly as an introverted personality. He would have us believe he places on the spectrum somewhere near Asperger’s and autism. Yet, he also claims an empathy disorder. Will Graham has never been diagnosed. He won’t allow anyone to test him. He has carefully constructed a persona to hide his real nature from the world. He wears it so well, even Jack Crawford couldn’t see past it.
I think Chilton isn't stupid in general, he's just stupid in several specific spheres where he wants to look good. He has pretty solid intuition, but he doesn't fully know how to use it. Because of this, he has occasional brilliant insights but struggles with tying them together. He's a mess, and if he took some time to understand and listen to himself, he could become someone formidable.
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arikandkade · 6 years
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Okay so like-  ....omg can I just talk about something here-? Something I noticed that hit me like a metric TON of bricks filling up the inside of a semi truck wall to wall.  Preemptive apologies for the length.  (thats what he said)  
So....this clip. OMG.  This video is all about the actors and the director of Hannibal talking about what scares them the most and I can't help but go wide eyed at just How. Much. Each- and every one of them bleeds their roles even through their own personal answers. I'm just.... in a state of shock and awe at hearing their responses that seem to mirror their characters personalities.   Scope the scene below the cut for this shiiiiiiiiiiiit  v v v
 Sooo.... let’s look at the answers individually. Cause WHOA.
David's answer is so in depth, and profound, and so thoroughly well presented when he explains it, it almost instantly solidifies his position as a director. What he explains speaks to his understanding of fear, the deep impact it has on him even now, how it makes someone feel and the effectiveness of where, when and how it can settle in on your surroundings or psyche. It really does highlight and display his masterful ability to weave fear, trauma, and anguish so artistically into every ounce of the show, from the settings/murders, to the mindset and hallucinations, all the way down to the choreography of pivotal scenes and the deep inset meaning behind the hundreds of Chekhov's guns in both physical and literal forms the show displays.
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Lawrence's answer was 'everything'. He mentions not liking horror movies because life in and of itself is scary enough. He mention that there is something inherently scary about everything. This reminds me so much of Jack, a man who's had years of experience working within the FBI, seeing the worst that humanity has to offer in nearly every manner the world can offer it. It just fits so well when you think of all the things Jack has been through, and how little he trusts the world around him. I could see Jack not enjoying the horror genre as it is something that hits far too close to home for what he does for a living.
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Caroline also mentions her fear or horror films but less in a world comparison manner like Jack and more as a personal distaste for them due to having a weaker constitution. She mentions her struggle with watching them in general due to a 'weak nervous system' which speaks to Alana who, although she tries not to, can never seem to not let her emotions or nerves get the better of her in most situations. Emotions drive her actions no matter how she may try to remain professional or impersonal. It all amplifies why Alana may not like watching horror movies as she may see each villain or murder as a person to analyze and sympathize with. Partially similar to Jack as well, Alan is far too close to that medium being a theme in her normal life, with Will, Hannibal, Mason/Margot, and Abigal all with blood stained hands for one reason or another. 
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Now Hugh, Hugh mentions what I think it a very interesting fear of heights, snakes, and interviews. What I find extremely interesting in these fears lies within the words themselves. There's a very specific kind of visual flash I can just SEE when hearing those words out loud- that reminds me a great deal of Will and the wonderful way Hannibal (the show) deals with its depictions of irony (saying one thing and immediately transitioning to the real meaning behind a characters words). 
Think of Will mentioning his fears to someone who asked, and then imagine as he is saying them, punctuating each word one by one as he goes down his list, and the images that would appear right after them. "Heights"  Will begins to answer with an indifferently cold but serious look wrought over his face. Cut away to the infamous ending scene of the show where Will throws both Hannibal and himself off the edge of a cliff and plummets into the waters below. Considering the lack of appropriate force or distance the two may have had in their trajectory towards and into the water I could imagine the act, as well as the fall itself, having been quite a painful and traumatic experience. 
"Snakes" he replies again as he goes down the list, a little a degree less hostile as he cocks his head slightly to the side, diverting and lowering his gaze for only a moment. We cut to an image of Alana and Jack, Dr. Chilton and Bedelia, Brian and Jimmy, in their various stages of planning ways to track down and capture Hannibal and Will. They are, as well as others before them, the 'Snakes' Hannibal refers to when describing what he sees Will as the second time they meet. The snakes that slither into Hannibal's home and the ones that will slither by their own soon enough, if they haven't already. Whether they have been or are now, snakes will always be Will's natural enemies, a danger to him and his home/family.
"...Interviews." Will spits with a chilling venom as a twitch pulls at his upper lip in deep disdain, sky blue eyes pulled and pointed up at his target now with piercing and unbreakable particularity.
Shots of Hannibal's first attempt to psychoanalyze Will, Dr. Chiltons, Alana, Jack, all making their own attempts to get inside of Will's head. The thing Will hates most, the thing he is most uncomfortable with and  fears are people trying to see inside him, getting too personal with him and seeing too much of him. Questions about him, poking/prodding, interviews, interrogation of any kind (especially when Will is with Hannibal some time after season 3) any act to know him, any deeper than on a surface level, would be a fearful notion considering he and Hannibal are both high end murders, and red flagged fugitives. 
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Mads's response is pretty funny. His answer (along with the general mention that many things scare him) is 'Long line to the bathroom after 4 beers'. A seemingly sassy or ridiculous response until you think about his character. Considering who Hannibal is and what he revels in most in life, he has very little actual fears, but there is one thing we know that, when issued as a threat against him, had even this psychopathic cannibal behaving properly and cooperatively in aerated captivity, and that one threat was indignity. Hannibal is a man of dignity, of standing, of fine art, culture and music. He lives a refined life and those that threaten that lifestyle usually do not continue to do so for long if Hannibal has any say in the matter, but, when Alana threatens him with the indignation of taking away even his toilet when locked up at Baltimore State Hospital for the Criminally Insane you could see in his eyes (past the look of murder) the fear of such a ultimatum in spite of his unwanted desires to corroborate peacefully. The personal loss of dignity is what Hannibal fears more than anything else, so when Mads mentions the fear of being stuck in line for the bathroom after many beers, it parallels with Hannibal's fear: the threat of public humiliation or shame. Especially considering both men's highly renown social standings. Hannibal's high end and well known way of life among the classes and Mads' own personal level of fame.
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....isn’t that crazy? Now, this could be mostly conjecture, and possibly reaching, but I couldn’t help make the comparisons the moment I heard them and then go on a drawn out disquisition about how much I just love this show and cast and crew involved in it.  UGH.  I could gush forever about them. In fact I intend to. I love this show.  If anyone else wants to yell about it with me feel free. I love discussing Hannibal. 
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kiss-my-freckle · 4 years
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3x13 Rewatch: The Wrath of the Lamb
They open the episode with Francis testing Reba. He gives her the house key and tells her to lock the front door. "Don't try to run. I can catch you." Like Will later in the episode. "Don't run. I'll catch you." She tries to escape. Will lying in season two, the wrong thing being the right thing to do was too ugly a thought. Francis leaves Reba to burn. Hannibal leaves Will to bleed. "I wish I could have trusted you. I wanted to trust you. You felt so good." Hannibal puts his broken heart on display. "Probably saved some lives." Like Will. Hannibal left everyone to live, then tried to keep the peace in Italy. "You didn't draw a freak. You drew a man with a freak on his back." Will understands. "I know there's nothing wrong with me." But he’s unable to differentiate. She drew Francis, he drew Hannibal, so she must feel what he feels. "In making friends, I try to be wary of people who foster dependency and feed on it." Something he spoke about before. "You're fostering co-dependency." Hannibal responded with a question. "Is that what I'm doing?" I think Will views it that way because he's unable to separate himself in his associations.
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He informs Hannibal that Francis committed suicide. "Only consolation is Dr. Chilton. Congratulations for the job you did on him. I admired it enormously. What a cunning boy you are." I love it when he nibbles on Will’s ear. "Are you accusing me of something?" Like he did with Bedelia, Will tries to deny that part of himself. "Does the enemy inside you agree with the accusation? Even a little bit?" Hannibal knows the lion agrees. He can't even look at Alana without seeing shards of mirror. "When life becomes maddeningly polite, think about me. Think about me, Will. Don't worry about me." Worry about Molly, since Will imagines killing her over and over. Associating prior to understanding. "I love you, and I miss you, and you're doing the right thing." Let me just reiterate that line... the wrong thing being the right thing to do was too ugly a thought. "You turned yourself in so I would always know where you were. You'd only do that if I rejected you." He turned himself in because Will wouldn't run away with him. If Will ran away with him, he'd have no reason to surrender. That's why he hasn't tried to escape, “We’re waiting for Will.” He lies to Hannibal, it was good to see him, but he's ready to go home now... to do what he did three years ago.
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He returns to his motel room, where Francis knocks him out cold, then wakes to water being splashed in his face. I love this scene between them because they both want from each other, that’s why Francis isn’t torturing him. He's gonna find out for himself who Will is. He tells him to sit up, wants him to see that he didn't break his back. "Your face is closed to me." Because Will is cut down the middle. Able to hide, he's been doing it for so long. He already got into a cat fight with Bedelia, now he's looking at a man who could very well replace him. If Will goes home without a word, it'll be over. Francis will have the man he loves, and he'll be stuck with Molly... the wife he imagines killing over and over. Tried to replace Will with Bedelia in Italy, now he’s back at it with Francis. I mean... the man has been waiting for him for three years. “Hannibal said those words... to me.” lol!!! You’re just a temporary fill, Francis. Feel the competition now. There will be no sharing Hannibal with anyone. Big brother hands little brother everything he needs. "I shared with Reba a little, in a way that she could survive." Reba and Molly, Reba and Will. What makes Will different from Reba and Molly is the lion within. "I chose not to change her. I'm stronger than the Dragon now." What Hannibal spoke of when he thought Francis committed suicide. "Then he wasn't as strong as the Dragon after all." If Francis is stronger than The Dragon, Will is capable of being stronger than The Lion. No need to fear becoming Hannibal. Bedelia is funny. That kind of strength for Will would allow him Godly powers as a righteous, merciful, loving, empathic, and compassionate being. Downright dangerous. Like Hannibal, killing and sparing whenever he chooses. "Saving lives is just as arousing as ending them. He likes to play God." That's why I love Hannibal's conversation with Jack. I could totally see Will baiting his enemies into a church and collapsing its roof just to impress his murder husband. "Hannibal Lecter is who you need to change." Will is ready to become. Like Reba, he shared with Molly enough.
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Then Will shows his ability to manipulate. Doesn't tell them he met with Francis, but allows them to learn he's alive through the autopsy. "The Dragon could absorb him that way, engulf him, become more than he is." He’s not gonna tell him The Dragon wants to meet Hannibal because he's the one who put it in his head. He knows very well that Hannibal would draw The Dragon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Will kept in touch with him after their meeting to let him know when the escape would happen. He makes sure to tell Jack the same thing he plans to tell Hannibal because it's based on the Chinese symbol in the tree. 
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With Jack, allows him to believe it's their best shot at Francis. "The character also appears on a mahjong tile. Marks the Red Dragon." With Hannibal, informs him Francis will be helping them escape. "You hit it. An expression sometimes used in gambling." This scene plays well off Hannibal's surrender.
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Gamble everything for love, gamble everything.
"We assign a moment to decision. What you propose is so thoughtless, I find it difficult to imagine that moment exists." This ties in Will's previous conversation with Jack. "Not all of our choices are consciously calculated." Choices aren't, decisions are. "No. But our decisions are. You remember when you decided to call Hannibal?" Will tells Bedelia, "Decisions are made of kneaded feelings. They're more often a lump than a sum." Will's kneaded feelings because he never stopped wanting to run away with Hannibal. I love how he uses "lump" after talking about “kneaded” feelings. Sums can be separated by their individual parts unless they’re lumped together like dough. His feelings can't be separated individually, so he can't cut out that part of himself that will always want to run away with Hannibal. "I don't intend Hannibal to be caught a second time." He wasn't caught the first time. Will doesn't intend for Hannibal to surrender a second time. "What you are becoming is pathological." I swear she's talking about herself here. "Extreme acts of cruelty require a high degree of empathy." Will is hilaroius in this scene, I love it. "You've just found religion. Nothing more dangerous than that." Will found the best religion. Love. There’s nothing more dangerous than that. "I'd pack my bags if I were you, Bedelia. Meat's back on the menu." Foreshadowing what's to come, and Bedelia is pissed.
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I love Chilton's scene, in the chamber like Georgia was. Fire in, fire out. He's able to confront them for what they did, even though he's just as much to blame. "What Hannibal is capable of. What Will Graham is capable of. What you are capable of. You were the roper. Too bad there was not enough rope for you to hang yourself with. Just enough to hang me." Chilton was the one trying to rope everyone while they were recovering in the hospital, wanting them to catch Hannibal so they could put him in his hospital. I love it because of what he says to Alana. “Your face did not change at all when you first looked at me. Shock, in seeing me, is usually delayed.” Like Will saying her face changed because she knew he was hearing things. Alana meets with Hannibal to propose their deal. "Was it Will's idea?" He already knows it was, but he doesn't know if Will plans to kill him. "Yes. That worked out so well for Frederick Chilton." He knows his wrath is coming, he already warned Jack. He and Alana seem blinded by those three years they spent apart, they don’t think Will has reason to run away with him. "Your wife... your child... they belong to me. We made a bargain for Will's life, and then I spun you gold." He's the one who milked Mason with a cattle prodder. I believe this storyline would've played out a little bit had the show continued. I think Hannibal would've wanted to give Will another non-biological child. All opposite from their first meeting in 3x9.
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Cut to Will, Jack, and Alana. He uses the same concept from his conversation with Bedlia. He told her he put his hand on Chilton for authenticity. Chilton's face, now Jack's career. For authenticity. Because "Someone has to be close. When the Dragon comes." Such a fun episode, it's got everything. "We kill Dolarhyde. And then... we kill Hannibal." Laughing at Jack for being dumb enough to believe Will would allow them to kill Hannibal. He takes another trip through the chapel. So much change in his eyes, love in a lovely scene. He continues to cover up his meeting with Francis, being specific in front of the orderlies. He told you, not me. "He told you he wanted to meet you. Maybe that was a serious invitation." Hannibal has yet to learn he and Francis met, he thinks Will learned he’s alive through the autopsy. “You hit it.” Francis is coming to help us, Hannibal. 
A flash to the museum when they met on the elevator, the double symbolism. "You know, Will, you worry too much. You'd be much more comfortable if you relaxed with yourself." This is his last chance to walk away, his last moment of decision. He stays, he can claim they were ambushed and return to his life. Jack loses his lamb. Alana loses her Verger castle. The last family Francis killed was the transport team.
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Cut to the cliff. "You and I are suspended over the roiling Atlantic. Soon, all of this will be lost to the sea." One could easily survive it so long as the water is deep enough for their speed. World record cliff jump is 192 feet. "You're playing games with yourself in the dark of the moon." It's after their conversation at the edge of the cliff when I believe the fisherman thinks about faking their deaths. "Wasn't surprising that I heard from the Great Red Dragon." He knew Jack put their faces in the paper and The Dragon would reach out to him instead of Will. Because Alana took his comfort, he didn't have access to TattleCrime. He only knows Will caught up with The Dragon because he helped them escape. "Was it surprising when you heard from him?" Will tells him yes and no. “And you... You wanted to surprise me.” This gives him reason to ask if Will plans to watch The Dragon kill him. "My compassion for you is inconvenient, Will." I like how he downplays his feelings when Bedelia already told Will how he feels about him. Will is super-cute. "If you're partial to beef products, it is inconvenient to be compassionate toward a cow." Quiet in comparison because he's sorting things out in his head. "I don't know if I can save myself. Maybe that's just fine." Hannibal doesn't want to think about Will not being able to save himself. He just spent three years without him. He thinks Will is about to lay down his life for Jack. This entire scene plays off their 2x13 scene. Hannibal said he gave him a rare gift, but he didn't want it. Will wanted it, and he wants it still. He's about to give Hannibal a rare gift...
“Bella used to say your face was all scars, if you knew how to look. There's always room for a few more. How much room does Will have, Jack?"
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Let’s paint each other black. 
“If this pilgrim feels a special relationship with the moon, he might like to go outside and look at it, before he tidies himself up. If one were nude, say, it would be better to have outdoor privacy for that sort of thing. One must show some consideration for the neighbors.”
“Have you ever seen blood in the moonlight, Will? It appears quite black."
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“Blake's Dragon stands over a pleading woman caught in the coil of its tail. Few images in Western art radiate such a unique and nightmarish charge of demonic sexuality.”
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Let Molly and Walter have the dogs, Will. 
“I like my life there.”
“That life is an anchor streamed behind him in heavy weather."
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Abigail and Miriam... you faked their deaths. 
“And the bluff is still eroding."
“Sometimes at night, I leave the lights on in my little house, and walk across the flat fields. And when I look back from a distance, the house is like a boat on the sea. It's really the only time I feel safe.”
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The same unfortunate aftershave, Will. 
Hannibal, the only thing that smells good on me, is you. 
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