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fyeahsonicthehedgehog · 4 months

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#shadow the hedgehog #the biolizard #sonic x shadow generations

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blazehedgehog · 7 months

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I mean ignoring that Vertekins confirmed that Eggman didn't inherit the tablets from Gerald, assuming that the murals for SS and Chaos were made at the same time is incredibly naive

Angel Island's mythos would've changed given the amount of time that passed between it's creation after Chaos rampaged, it's literally going to diverge from being separate from the initial ancestral site (which is now Mystic Ruins)

Similarly all murals we see in both the past and Lost World don't show the 3K prophecy. Likely cuz that was made much later, well after Angel Island was formed

The other issue is even trying to circumnavigate that and saying "well he discovered them separately later" would require Gerald interact with Angel Island. Which A, would've absolutely contradicted Knuckles remaining tribe of never seeing other sentient beings, and B, would've definitely been noted by Shadow's game and Battle GBA, neither of which do, C, the discovery of a flying island is way too important/miraculous to keep from the public for profit, or reap for resources

Mystic Ruins being researched and noted for Chaos' connection to the Artifical Chaos? Valid and stated

Super Sonic being Shadow's base? No, it's just Hoshino/Uekawa wanting to make him cool, especially given the redesign was done AFTER script

Perfect Chaos being Biolizard's case? While Gerald actually could've seen the mural, surprisingly not! Biolizard is entirely due to being based on lizards and amphibians reproducing limbs, which given his research on immortality for Maria... https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Adventure_2_-_The_Truth_of_50_Years_Ago…

This is like when people thought the Ancient Civilization that created the Gizoid were echidnas entirely cuz of Chronicles, despite Battle GBA never saying that, just leaving it blank since Emerl wiped them out completely. It got too accepted of a theory

Like it's a fun theory, but not it

Okay I actually wasn't going to respond to this because you come out the gate being sort of rude but I at least wanted to validate your ask by reading through it. But it's long, and there were faster, easier asks to read/reply to, so I put it off until now.

Since this was long enough ago, this was in response to this and this. And another post I can't seem to find. (Originally, I linked the same post twice, whoops)

The main issue I take with your wall of text is you put words in my mouth.

assuming that the murals for SS and Chaos were made at the same time is incredibly naive

And if you go back and read the two posts, I never actually say when they were made, just that they existed. The murals were made hundreds, possibly even thousands of years ago. And it almost doesn't matter when they were made. You kind of can't make a timeline given Sonic games never really give a specific year on when any of this takes place, but for the sake of argument we could say it's something like

800 AD: Echidna society discovers the emeralds.

825 AD: Echidna society grows to learn that the emeralds have some kind of beneficial power (clairvoyance? strength? who knows). Perhaps scholars see visions of future events and keep records of these visions in secret chambers. Or, perhaps, they learn of them from communicating with "The God of Destruction" that watches over the emeralds.

850 AD: War for control of the emeralds power between different Echidna tribes leads to the God of Destruction disaster. Most of Echidna society is wiped out and Tikal's dying (?) prayer separates the emeralds and quarantines the Echidna homeland where nobody can cause another disaster like that again, forming what becomes known as "Angel Island."

851 AD: Maybe some of the last few remaining terrestrial Echidna, perhaps from a rival tribe, make records of the God of Destruction disaster. Multiple copies of these records probably exist, and they reach as far as the edge of the tribe's domain at the end of the jungle, perhaps simply to serve as a warning for future generations not to mess with that thing.

1948 AD: Professor Gerald is conscripted by The President of the United Federation (or whatever) to conduct dark scientific research into immortality. Gerald only agrees on the grounds he hopes it will cure his granddaughter of her rare degenerative disease.

1949 AD: Professor Gerald somehow learns enough of Ancient Echidna culture that he begins trying to recreate their legends in search of something he refers to as "The Ultimate Lifeform." How this pertains to immortality is unknown. This leads to the creation of Chaos Drives, The Biolizard, Artificial Chaos, and Shadow the Hedgehog. These are all byproducts or direct replications of things described in Ancient Echidna lore.

1950 AD: The government/military grows to fear Gerald's discoveries and attempt to seize control of his projects. While specifically trying to capture Shadow, his granddaughter is shot and killed in the commotion. The grief from her death drives Gerald insane, considering all the sins against nature he committed for her sake.

1951 AD: Somehow Gerald regains access to Shadow and reprograms/brainwashes him with false memories to enact a suicide plot that will cause an extinction level event on planet earth. Gerald is discovered, captured, and sentenced to execution by firing squad for his conspiracy. This may have actually been part of Gerald's plan, given what we see later. Shadow is placed into cold storage to be forgotten.

1994 AD: In the process of chasing down Dr. Eggman (Professor Gerald's grandson), Sonic the Hedgehog ends up on Angel Island, in one of its deepest sanctuaries (Hidden Palace), where he witnesses an ancient mural depicting two figures clashing over a giant emerald, and those figures bare a vague resemblance to Eggman and himself. Less than an hour later, Sonic is living this prophecy.

1999 AD: Dr. Eggman apparently separately researches Ancient Echidna lore and this leads him to straight up release the God of Destruction from its prison within the Master Emerald. Station Square is basically wiped off the face of the map, but Sonic neutralizes the being's anger in the end.

2001 AD: Somehow in no way related to the previous incident, Dr. Eggman's next project just so happens to involve the result of his Grandfather's research into Ancient Echidna lore. Eggman releases Shadow from maximum security military cold storage and he immediately sets about carrying out Gerald's extinction plot, stringing Eggman along until he gets what he needs out of him. At the last second, Shadow realizes what he's doing is wrong, and nearly kills himself in the process of setting things right.

These are not real years. This is just to illustrate how far apart these events are in time.

It genuinely does not matter when the records were originally made, what matters is that it was "a really long time ago."

...would require Gerald interact with Angel Island. Which A, would've absolutely contradicted Knuckles remaining tribe of never seeing other sentient beings

I mean, it's a big island. There are a lot of ways strangers could enter the island, collect resources, and then leave undetected, never to return. But you're right insofar as we don't know where Gerald got his information. That's a bit presumptuous on my part, but again: have some fun, you nerd. It's not like these games are always air-tight with their narratives.

Biolizard is entirely due to being based on lizards and amphibians reproducing limbs, which given his research on immortality for Maria

I mean, yes, if you want to split hairs about this, that's the plain text of what Rouge's report says. But given a confluence of other factors around the Biolizard's existence, and the fact it was codenamed "the prototype of the ultimate lifeform" it's pretty easy to connect the dots that Gerald incorporated other research and the whole "salamanders regenerate limbs" was simply one piece of a larger body of work being referenced into developing the creature.

It literally roars like Perfect Chaos, it literally hangs around the ARK's replica shrine... you think genetic research into salamanders is going to create a being that can shoot energy from its mouth and harness the Chaos Emeralds? C'mon, dude.

Do not try to out-Sonic-lore me.

#questions #kinopioa #sonic the hedgehog #sega #sonic team #sonic adventure 2 #lore #shadow the hedgehog #professor gerald #the biolizard #ancient echidna #big time nerd argument

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hugsandchaos · 10 days

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Picture this; Another Sonic show similar to Sonic Boom, and at the end of the first season, the group’s radio suddenly crackles and dies down, the music stopping. Then, the voice of a man speaks through.

“Attention all those who receive these message, please pay attention! This is very serious, do not turn off your radio or TV! A highly aggressive alien hybrid called the Biolizard is on the loose! If you see a massive orange reptilian with machines on its back, don’t bother trying to fight and run! Attempts to recapture it are in progress, but please, for the love of god, find a secure place to hide.”

On the other end, miles off from shore, is a certain dark “hedgehog” speeding across the water in search of the Biolizard.

#AU?#maybe?#shadow hedgehog #shadow the hedegehog #project shadow #shadow the ultimate lifeform #the biolizard #Biolizard #sth AU

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bandidangerous · 2 years

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I TOLD YOU ALL THAT I WAS FINALLY GONNA START POSTING MORE!!!

I got Sonic Fever long before Sonic Frontiers came out. I been working on some personal headcanons and fan characters for a while. Only now do I feel pretty confident to show them off.

This is Contour, a reincarnation of the Biolizard and Shadow’s Biological half-sister. I been wanting to do a redeemed Biolizard a few years back and eventually I came up with a decent design that I actually enjoy drawing.

For a brief summary on her life: Contour was originally the giant destructive Biolizard (it/he) of long ago. Long story short, a benevolent entity brought the creature back to life, or at least most of it anyway. Like a lizard (but more extreme) the creature shed its old body and became something smaller, newer, sleeker, and with the ability to shape shift into a much smaller form. More importantly, the creature became sentient and sapient and soon named herself (she/they) Contour. Much of her story is about learning how to live her own life, discovering the identity of her benefactor, and encountering Shadow the Hedgehog as a sibling instead of an enemy.

#sonic the hedgehog #sonic #sonic oc #the biolizard #i make art #i made this yes

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squeiky · 2 years

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The BioLizard Mobian-ified:

This is Bior (bee-or), and they speak using text to speech, growl and cannot walk properly.

They are taller than shadow by a mile, and slightly taller than Maria.

Constantly on life support, pretty tired (not as much as shadow, mentally-but phyiscially very exhausted.)

They are nice, my little blorbo, and very fiesty.

They live in the basement, and Maria hands them cheeto-puffs in secret.

Gets around by using wheelchairs, their giant tail as extra support, using chaos snap, or getting dragged around by shadow (he bites his ankles sometimes. Y'know, for fun.)

Technically older than shadow, younger than Maria. Has a canonical birthday (yes biolizard has a canon birthday, and since it's the prototype of shadow- this baby came first.)

Painkillers, they're on painkillers. What else is there more too say other than they're great and I adore em?

#the biolizard #sonic characters #sonic biolizard #shadow the hedgehog #camomiletae art #mini-mon series

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smallpwbbles · 3 months

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@birdsareblooming This ones for you

#sonic #sonic the hedgehog #biolizard shadow au #shadow the hedgehog #amy rose #amy the hedgehog #my art #digital doodles

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droffie · 4 months

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Odd siblings.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BIOLIZARD!!! 🎂🎂🎂

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monomons · 8 months

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siblings

#shadow the hedgehog #maria robotnik #biolizard #sth #sonic the hedgehog #guwhhhhuhhh. Ok #dont know what color to make the ground. Grey it is

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weirdozjunkary · 3 months

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Bro is hecking SHORT compared to MVA!Sonic and I find that fact funny.

Bioliz Shadow— @smallpwbbles

Bonus dumb thing below

#art #fanart #sketch #doodle #sonic au #mva au #biolizard shadow au #(MAIM KILL BITE BITE BITE!!!)

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bigkickguy · 9 months

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Beach Vacation!!

#shadow the hedgehog #maria robotnik #biolizard #sonic the hedgehog #kickdraw #i just want good things for all of them #SA2 is so mean to them #now they can go on happy little trips together in my heart :')

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radstarsaur · 4 months

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BIOLIZARD IS BACK!

My favorite Sonic boss finally returns in beautiful HD glory!

#digital art #my art #monster #kaiju #biolizard #sonic #sonic the hedgehog #sonic fanart #sonic x shadow generations #shadow the hedgehog #sonic adventure 2 #sonic adventure battle 2 #sonic adventure

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futuristichedge · 4 months

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Can't wait for him to not show up in Sonic X Shadow Generations </3

#mephiles the dark #mephiles #sth fanart #sth #my art #sonic 06 #doodles #we've got black doom back. and biolizard. theres no way they dont have him also as a boss??? but also i can easily see them fuckin it up #once again spending too long cleaning up what was meant to be a silly doodle and fucking up my sleep because of it #sonic x shadow generations

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eloaholiveira · 3 months

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for @smallpwbbles I love them very much thank you for kaiju ark siblings

#sonic #sonic the hedgehog #shadow the hedgehog #sonic alternate universe #sth au #sth fanart #sth #biolizard #maria robotnik #shadow

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hugsandchaos · 11 months

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Welcome to why I think the Biolizard should be in Sonic Boom.

Shadow: If I had a nickel for every time a giant, highly aggressive lizard who’s technically my older brother tried to pick me up by his jaws and put me in a poorly made nest consisting of stolen mattresses, pillows, and blankets, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened more than once.

Thank you.

#shadow the hedgehog #au #shadow the ultimate lifeform #shadow hedgehog #boom shadow #Biolizard #the Biolizard #incorrect quotes shadow

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sophbun · 8 months

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needed to get this out of my head

#there conversations would be wild #shadow the hedgehog #maria robotnik #dr eggman #gerald robotnik #black doom #metal sonic #sage #biolizard #soph posts #my art

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itsradiogoblin · 2 years

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Well. Shadow’s family tree gets more interesting by the day.

#sonic frontiers #sage #sage sonic #shadow the hedgehog #black arms #black doom #dr robotnik #eggman #gerald robotnik #maria robotnik #eclipse the darkling #biolizard

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