#''there's fans who want X proship thing to happen'' people definitely say they're fucked up
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I read some of your more recent posts on the topic, and wanted to ask: what do the terms "proship" and "antiship" mean to you? Half the discourse is from what these two mean, as like every nebulous internet term, multiple definitions exist. "We're trying to prevent the return of all the censorship that targeted queer circles in the name of "the children!" or "We're trying to make people aware fiction does affect reality via one's subconscious bias!" Just wanna prevent any future misunderstanding
in general anon, a "pro ship" is someone who allows any and all kinds of ships in the name of personal enjoyment and "it's fiction it's not real". the censorship thing is secondary because they'd know that most of the censorship that goes on today is from a government or other hegemonic system against an oppressed class, i.e. racial equality groups, gender equality groups, queerness or other things being taken out of media, etc. so like being called a freak on twitter (and with a notable lack of actual action against the proshipper) is not censorship.
An "anti" is a bit more broad as a term cause simply not liking a ship can get one labeled an anti. There's no limit, maximum or minimum, to the number of ships one opposes that'll get them labeled an "anti" by a proship. So back before these words existed, me being only aware of Rexsoka as a ship and being against that would have gotten me labeled an anti. Someone could be pro every ship in the world but Rexsoka and still be labeled an "anti". I dont use anti and I dont label myself one.
Proships do jump to censorship/thinly veiled "freedom of speech!" arguments when they encounter anything they deem "anti behavior", although that censorship comes in the form of (perhaps) finnpoe not being canon and poe being forced into a weird romantic history with that lady in tros. Shipping what is, by definition, a pedophilic relationship does not combat censorship.
antis are too broad and varied as a group to really pin down a set philosophy other than "stop jacking it to things that are pedohphilic and/or straight up bigotry". Proships insist its not any of those because it's fiction (which? lol). I use the following logic:
- You could ship Finn and Poe. That is a gay couple. The word "Gay" might not exist in star wars, but it applies despite finnpoe being fictional.
- you could ship finnrey. That is a hetereosexual interracial couple. The above is also an interracial couple. Nobody denies that the characters are different ethnicities despite star wars not being real.
- you could ship Yoda and Jar Jar. Nobody denies that that's interspecies and also an age gap. In fact, proships will tag all of the above with the relevant tag (gay, agegap, etc)
- God forbid you use this logic to point out that a ship is pedophilic. They jump from its just fiction to "that doesn't make me a bad person because i'd never act on it" (even though we know that actions are not the only determiners of being a good person, and also like closet fucked up people exist and socially they are shunned)
Sorry to turn this into an essay anon, but I really have no patience for them and this started out as a mostly neutral "definition" on what proship and anti mean.
#ask#psa#essays#ask to tag#but also they insist that what they're saying/doing isn't wrong at all#which is funny because fandom is mainstream enough that you can talk about it out loud#and you can definitely talk about all the things people want to see in a show#if you say ''yeah there's fans of this show that ive seen who draw that 12 year old girl getting abused/raped etc'' or#''there's fans who want X proship thing to happen'' people definitely say they're fucked up#and u get the general dark fic readers who keep talking past ''antis''#cause lots of people actually like conflict or not super happy things but the way they go about it is what sets people off lmao
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