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ayo bestie I'm back! HAHAHAHAHA I KINDA FORGET MY ROUTINE BECAUSE OF MY SCHOOL WORKS THAT I PURPOSELY IGNORE

My sister and I have is talking as always but there is this idea- rather a question that both of us can't answer so what did I do? ofc I'm going to ask my fav writer/bestie you can't do anything about it you're my bestie now but that is not the point so the thing is how you guys write this second lead that would end up giving the readers second lead syndrome cuz boi I don't know, I tend to have favorites and that's not fair if I write something like that it would be obvious 😅😭.

Bruh, bestie you are lucky enough to have your friends in class that wanted to be with you🤧 and now you're a leader of a group?? Honestly, king/queen/royalty shit. Wish you luck on your assignment!!!♡

HAHAHAHAHAHA I FOUND A WAY TO REPLY! I feel like I'm so smart 2dei!

Honestly, good thing I could blend with them cuz oh boi it would be awkward to be with them doing this for our grades then we don't get along, for now my group mates and I are doing great! at least for now tho....

I'd be back soon, just going to finish this work load I ignore for a couple of weeks! take care bestieeee~ <3 ✨

Sjsksj, dw about it. School is important so please focus and do ur best😩😩 Unlike me who decided to do a long ass assignment that was due yesterday. It's okay tho, he gave us until Tuesday to turn it in dut to a holiday.

SSJKSJSJ TY?? I AM HONOERED TO BE ONE OF UR FAVS!!♡♡ And bestie, we were besties since the first message😪

But moving on!

"how you guys write this second lead that would end up giving the readers second lead syndrome"

Oh this is tricky. Ok, let me try the best to answer this. I had to look up second lead syndrome because I'm like "what is this??"

But makes so much more sense now that I know: "wanting the second lead to end up with the main lead rather than their intended partner".

And if I'm understanding right (which I hope I am) is you want to know how to achieve that (right? plz, this will be embarrasing if im wrong)

Here we go!

How to Write Second Lead Syndrome

Okay, so let's establish that this is basically some weird love triangle. You have to think about their place in the story. Why are they there, what purpose do they serve, and how do they affect the story? Don't just focus on one person, focus on both second lead and intended partner and have their charcter/personality mean something. Don't just forget about them and randomly include them again. Once they're introduced, keep bringing them in! Example:

Create some chemistry between your main lead and second lead; whether it be banter, an intimate moment, rivals, etc. They have an interesting /close relationship with the main lead that may or may not be romantic. Give the readers something to work with b/c that random coffee barista who took their order will probably not be shipped with the main lead beacuse they said "here's your order, sweetheart" and we never hear of them again. Won't appease to everyone or help your story.

But remember, not everyone will like it if your second lead is mean, borderline abusive to the main lead. You gotta sprinkle in some fluff or at least don't make it... too worrisome.

Example:

ML and SL arguing over who ruined a task and blaming each other, but you can 'see' one of them finding the situation amusing or it makes them react the same way. Yet, over time, they begin to get along after a certain moment or grow closer. OR,

Main lead doesn't realize how perfect their second lead (i.e. best freind) is and ignores them for their love interest.

Give them more "screen-time". By that, I mean incoprarte your second lead more in a way that pleases the readers/goes with the story. Give them more lines! More scenes with the main lead! Make us feel something! It'll play in well with establishing their character and their place in the story while maybe also adding some chemistry.

If wattpad and tumblr has taught me anything, it's drama. I dont know about you, bestie, but that unexpected drama is mouth-watering. It can by between just two of them or all of them, your choice. Personally, I like when the two people are fighting over the main lead or one of them hides their feelings for the other. Or like, second lead makes a big deal about something concerning main lead. Anything like that really.

Example:

"Dumbass, why didn't you fight back?! Or call for help?!" Adam shouts, gripping your arms tightly and breathing heavily, his hands trembling even as he held you. You looked at him in shock, seeing his golden eyes turn glossy. "Do you know how scared I was?! H-How scared I was getting that call that you... that you almost died...?"

"Adam..."

The "show, not tell" tip is extremely important here (imo). Why? You want to show the readers what your character might be feeling and have their minds fill in the blanks. However, it's sometimes nice to have some context.

Example: Tell vs Show. (this is something made on the spot, random names) Adam stopped talking and smiling once you walked in, the crush he habored for you seemingly growing in an instant. He regretted at that moment, how cold and mean he was when all you wanted to do was be his friend.

God, you were so beautiful, like an angel. And every man at the party thought the same thing, making Adam furious that he couldn't claim you as his. He hears your laugher from where he stands, almost as if he was right next to you.

Adam, as much as he hated to admit it, was absolutely enamored with you, despite all his wrong doings. But how could he say it now when all he ever was to you was a bully? He was so caught up in his thoughts, he didn't even notice his friend calling out to him.

vs Adam's words died in his mouth, trailing off as the woman of the hour finally walked in. His heart beat wildly in his chest as his gaze landed on you, heat crawling up his neck as he drank in how the girl he hated had vanished in mere hours and had been replaced with the most beautiful woman he's ever seen. Yet, you had already haunted his waking mind and now, the image of you tonight would haunt his dreams.

In his eyes, you looked nothing more than a sinful angel stepping down from her chariot, wrapped in crimson and black, immersed in what he could only describe as pure lust - pure temptation to him. Yet, like an angel among demons, the men in the crowd could only look at you in hunger as they notice your presence, beginning to make their way to you as if they were in a trance.

Adam could only watch and seethe in his spot, his blood boiling at the thought of any man approaching you. His hold on his bottle tightens, clecnhing his jaw as his mouth goes dry. Even from this distance, your laugh reached him and it made his stomach churn.

The calling voice of his friend fell on deaf ears, his trickster mask falling for a moment as his smile falls completely. The memories of every hurtful word he spat at you when you greeted him came crashing down -- every sarcastic comment, every insult, every nasty and hateful thing he said when all you wanted is to be his friend. His brows furrow and his gaze falls to the floor.

I did not excecute this correctly, holy shit. Don't think the first one is bad!! Both are acceptable, but sometimes readers like to read something that insiuates the possibility of something else without ever saying it. It's just that the word "was" tends to sound repetive at times and it always depends on the scne you're working on. If someone says don't use "was", ignore them. That choice is all yours.

But you get what I'm trying to do, right? I didn't say he had a crush in the second one, but I did point to it with my descriptions (i hope). This is something you can try to do or be blunt like in the first one.

Remember: context is important and the first one can work perfectly if you already laid your foundation.

Establish why the main lead should be with the second lead or why they're better. Let's say second lead is the better person than the intended lover, and if you managed to create some chemistry and history with your main and second lead, it will play out more effectively when the time comes for you to make your decision. Also can frustrate readers (in a good way).

However!! Like I said before, try to make the main lead and second lead have chemistry in a way that makes them work together, not clash and fall apart everytime they get together. Make them have common ground and build more interactions from there, something that makes them connect in a way they don't with the intended love interest.

Make your second lead's life not revolve around the main lead. Ok, this only exceptional if they happen to be childhood firiends that happen to reunite or stay in touch. Other than that, it'll be more interesting to see who the second lead is as a person and some people may even fall in love with them. Show their flaws too because sometime making them too perfect breaks their charcter.

Friend-zone/Break-up. Ok, at some point someone has to be friend-zoned or broken up with. Someone and that choice is yours to make but you got ot have your base set up as to why it's happeneing. There's got to be a build up or it won't be as effective as you want it to be.

Love Confession or Realizing ML/SL is in love with the other. Ooo, this should and can go into the drama one but this is interesting all on its own. But trust, there's a reason I'm making its own bullet.

Ok, nothing is more dramatic and heartbreaking or pulls more at your heart strings than hearing in their confession of how they feel (not knowing the outcome) "You are the person I want the most in my life/I want by my side" or "Being your friend is more than enough for me" because they rather have main lead in their life than not at all.

Or even ML, after some time, reminiscing about the time spent together with SL and realizing they love SL, finally understanding why SL treats them the way they do and why ML themselves feels their chest ache when SL is around a potential lover. Stuff like that,,

Give me that love confession, and maybe a rejection/revealation even.

ANGST. Bestie, angst is like drama but it hurts not only the characters, but also your audience/readers. Give us SL reacting out of character for ML, give us ML rejecting SL or pushing them away, give us ML and LI content that is heartbreaking -- give us death!!!

Example:

"Why didn't you ever tell me...?"

"Because I see the way you look at him, and the way he looks at you...," Adam mutters, his eyes glued to the wall before him. His voice, though tired and raw, never failed to make your stomach churn, yet as you take in his beaten appearance, helaughs. A bitter, broken laugh."You look at him like he's your whole world and your eyes light up everytime you see him. It's like no one elese matters when he's around. And him? God, he looks at you like you're a walking dream, [Name]. Like your his everything and more. I-I've never seen my best friend so happy..."

"Adam-"

He cuts you off, finally looking at you. You didn't even notice you were crying until you saw his own tears, supsirsed to seeing the boy who acted like nothing mattered cry. "I love you, even though I shouldn't... A-And all I want is for you two to be happy, even if it hurts me seeing my best friend get the girl I love. I... As long as you are in my life, I don't mind..."

I think you get the gist right?

My tips are confusing but I heard that k-dramas are the best when it comes to second lead syndrome and watching how they utilize it is a good way to go if you're more of a viusal learner.

Now that I think about it, I probably just gave you an outline on how to write a novella romance...

Anyway, hope that helps a little and I can't wait to hear from you, bestie!!!

#randytalks #second lead syndrome #randy's writing tips #writing #fiction

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hongism · 2 years

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AYO ITS 🐻 ANON I HAVE FINALLY RISED FROM THE ASHES OF TRYING TO SAVE MY GRADES AFTER GETTING SICK AND REALIZED I'M BEHIND BY A CHAPTER *cry*

bESTIEEEE im gonna answer separately bc WE HAVE MUCH TO TALK ABOUT I SEE!!!! im sorry to hear you were sick SCREAM T_T im so sorry in advance i literally wrote like 5 essays worth of responses this is so obscenely long im SORRY

I HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY BUT FIRST SOME QUICK NOTES BEFORE I GO WILD FOR THREE THINGS I HAVE TO SAY

- First of all, glad to see that San's recovery seems to be going well❗❗❗ I mean if he can go with the usual San agenda of being horny then he is doing kinda well,,,,except for when he says he doesn't want to talk about what they did to him 😭😭 my bby

“if he can go with the usual san agenda of being horny” I LAUGHED. OUT LOUD. LOUDLY. jlksdfkjlKJLKJL there will be more san to come that is for certain 😼

-YEONJUN MY BOYYY so,,,,he lost one of his eyes? But I think he got some tech in the fake one. Also, I loved Y/n's thoughts about his hair because that was my exact first reaction to him, like, he wants to be all mysterious but is walking around looking like a strawberry. And that one person that is following him?? Soobin is that you??? Come on my dear join the dark side we got drama and Jongho's burnt eggs I know you want some 👁👁

eheheh our dear nightingale mHM he’s quite the fascinating one!!! and i’ll touch a little on that in an upcoming interim but he’s a FUNNNNNN character im THRILLED to introduce him and get into him and there’s so much mysteryyyyy eheheheheheh :3

- Welcome to the traumatized gang Soojin and little Luca!!! I see you two got a bunch of trauma so you are welcome aboard <3 prepare to be smacked in the face with all the tea we have going on, the 24/7 horny people and get ready barked at by our deadly chihuahua captain

more traumatized babies for the traumatized gang! one day i will write a character who isn’t traumatized i PROMISE </3 i think they’ll be fun for the time being tho hehehe <3

-You weren't lying when you said Mc would be one of the first that could make a child cry 😭😭 like, their first ever interaction was her pointing a gun at his head, that's my girl

poor mc honestly she’s out here with her fight or flight instincts and that happens she’s starting off on a BAD FOOT.

- Also Mingi??? Bub seems to be doing well!!! He had a little smile and didn't lost it with Woo's scene (I mean he wasnt present in all of it but yeah), also that little part of Luca hidding behind Soojin :(((( precious

im honestly surprised how many people picked up on that bit about mingi!!! it was put there intentionally of course but there was very very very much happening all at once and i wasn’t sure how many people would catch it!!! we’ll be exploring that as well in the future as well as getting more mingi which i think will be delightful :3 along with more jongho bc uwu i love my berserker boys <3

NOW WITH THE TEA,,,OMG WHERE DO I EVEN START

First with Mc's emotions during the chapter. I think we can see how much he cares about San and I'm just :((( they are cute af. Then with how she felt betrayed when Nightingale told her about Joong saying she would leave??? I could see how betrayed she felt like, she had recovered San and everything was going moreless well, then that? Her hope of the crew saving her from Jisung just went down :(((

sO much drama just ENDLESS DRAMA! so MUCH happened that it’s hard to recall everything of course but really i think a huge turning point in the chapter was that revelation from nightingale where he told her hongjoong said she’d be going soon. up until this point, i think it’s safe to say that mc has been walking parallel to hongjoong in terms of intentions, but here we see hongjoong pulling away and mc adjusting to intersect him and it’s a very interesting dynamic to explore and define <3

Her interactions with Soojin...I think the military team wasn't as close as they would want to because there were inner conflicts that just didn't allow it, like the authority ones. The crew also has their problems, but there is a difference between a group brought together by a corrupt organization to do the dirty work and a group that comes out of necessity, where despite their hatred protect each other because it's them against the world and that's all they got.

you bring up a good point !!! bc also we can’t see much of how things really went down with that team bc of mc’s less than reliable memory, but you bring up good points with warring personalities and influence from the outside, and really it’s a huge exploration of people brought together by external forces vs people who came together out of necessity !!!

Also, miss Caly that one part of "I still want to see the beach with him" BROKE ME LIKE???? WHY YOU GOTTA CHOOSE VIOLENCE???? WE GOTTA HAVE A WORD HERE YOUNG LADY SQUARE UP-

IM SORRY IT WAS SUCH A GOOD OPPPORTIUNITY I JUST HAD TO DO IT IM SORRYYYYYYYY </3

Now, Yeosang saying that he should have chosen Y/n I 👏 KNEW 👏 IT 👏 I was sus since Woo said that it was Yeosang the one that chose him but now?? I WAS RIGHT OMG- But now I'm kinda confused, does Woo actually remember her and was lying when she asked if they had met before? Was his mind wiped after or before he became Yeo's slave? Perhaps even both times? If he did remember her, that would kind explain why he was so worried when she flinched when that one merchant was trying to make a deal with Yunho and Yeosang to buy them.

hmhmHMMMM i can’t say much about this since it’s a huge pot point in the next act and it’ll be hugely important as well butttt we need to think about wooyoung’s personality from the very start of the story. has he been known to lie to protect himself? and if so, why would he think he needs to lie to mc? you’re thinking good thoughts bestie hehe

And their argument,,,,oh my God shit was intense. Honestly I feel like Wooyoung and Yeosang's relationship is so beautiful but at the same time toxic?? Like, in their argument both had points

- I agree with Wooyoung when he said that Yeosang is so set into this whole "the destiny doesn't want us together", yet according to Yeosang is not exactly that, is mostly because he thinks that the military and his family will get him someday and doesn't want to drag Woo with him. Honestly I want to see how this develops because I think that part of Yeo's arc will be learn to listen more to his emotions and to express them, going against what his elitist nature tells him to do 👁👁

their argument was the highlight of the chapter for me personally, i really loved getting to explore that part of relationships and that part of them as individuals, because it’s one of those grey areas where there are arguments to both sides and issues on both sides as well. we’ve only see beautiful parts of their relationship, nd this was a bit of the boiling point where we saw those small pieces build up to something huge

yeosang is truly a fascinating character and there is a lot more to him than what people think. he does feel, as you said, and it’s just hard to see that and recognize that when he’s been so adamant about not being that way. i’ve always said that i think his arc is the one im most excited about, and that’s still true! i can’t wait for it and i think it’s going to be so !! much in a good way!

- Woo,,,,sweetie,,,I love you but you are kinda toxic bub 😭😭😭 he thinks so low of himself that he always wants to be the one coming into harm's way, Yeo ofc isn't gonna let that happen and Woo gets mad at him for it. Wooyoung always blames him basically saying that he would never understand because he is a cold-hearted elitist with no emotions but fails to see that it is not true, Yeosang does FEEL, and he is hurting him with all of that. Of course he is gonna try to protect the person he loves over everyone else, it is just natural. If he didn't have feeling then they wouldn't be here in the first place. He probably does know and understand that Yeosang does feel with the same instensity he does, but says those things because you know, the type if things we say when we angry.

im glad you said this bc that was the whole point and im glad so many people are seeing and recognizing it like,,, wooyoung is not as perfect as we all wish he could be T_T i think if yeosang’s issue is trying too hard to force himself to perfection, then wooyoung’s issue is his view of himself and when he gets pinned, he becomes defensive, and his defense mechanism is to lash out at the people around him aka yeosang. it’s a harsh reality i think but it’s one that’s very real, and i can tell as the writer that i depicted that well bc of the response where some people have said that wooyoung either makes them uncomfortable or feels too emotional, and that’s really because he’s a raw and real character under there who is saying things we might say to people we love when we’re angry

Then blaming him for the things his family did to him...we can se two sides here. One with Woo's trauma and pain remaining from his time as a slave that produced hatred in him, said hatred being reflected to Yeosang because he is related to those who did that to him and was actually kinda involved into all of that, the other part with Yeosang, who was just a child at that time and didn't really have a choice since his whole life was controlled by his parents and other people. I find kinda ironic how sometimes Wooyoung is empathic to everyone but his lover, because we KNOW Yeosang does end up hurt. This relationship is toxic for both of them, and I just hope they can fix their problems 😭😭

something i think no one aside from you has addressed is this fact: yeosang is still the son of the two people who hurt wooyoung most. love is strong and love can do a lot of things, but is love strong enough to overcome deeply-rooted traumas like the ones wooyoung is holding onto? and with yeosang, is love strong enough for him to combat his inherent nature for it? wooyoung certainly thinks that his words carry no weight to yeosang bc he chooses to tell himself that yeosang doesn’t feel, but you’re so right in saying that he’s empathetic to everyone but his lover

Now the Joong and Mc interactions I- the two were already kinda getting along and now they are on each other's necks once again 😭😭 but honestly? We can clearly see that Hongjoong didn't want to give her away. It got even worst because of the things he said to her on the last chapter, and while we know he could and would use manipulation (the "do it for San" part, HONGJOONG YOU LITTLE-) I don't think he would get someone's hopes up like that, specially not a crew mate, not without having a reason for it and well, he didn't have one to do that, but still, is kinda because of that talk that this hurts more oop.

whew all that and now we can finally talk about mc and hongjoong ! we see that this decision happened sometime between the end of the mission for san and nightingale meeting mc so i would say that it’s safe to assume that hongjoong made those promises not knowing what would happen! does it still hurt? YEAH. bc it’s a complete diversion from what he promises to give her and that stings like a bitch </3

I got surprised because as much importance as he puts on getting the sirens, he puts the well-being of the people he loves above it, and while Mc is still part of the crew, she hasn't been on it for as long as the others, and there is also Seonghwa. From a logical perspective, we can see why as a leader he acted that way, but from the emotional...😭😭

this is something that was actually touched on briefly back in act four, in the discussion that hongjoong shared with vladimir in the arena. vladimir pins hongjoong on the spot and says ‘you still look at him like he’s your treasure’, and all this time throughout the story, this has been the underlying theme i’ve been trying to get at. hongjoong knew he had one siren and one siren only: seonghwa. he doesn’t know about wooyoung, and he didn’t have y/n for 6 years. so he went 6 years with just seonghwa being his siren, and that’s the key part, seonghwa (in his eyes) is his siren. we see both hongjoong and seonghwa touch on that selfishness wherein seonghwa says ‘i won’t let anyone else take you from me’ and we see hongjoong be greedy about keeping seonghwa closeby.

so the question to ask is: what is treasure to hongjoong? is it what the sirens provide, or is it seonghwa himself in his eyes? we see hongjoong refer to mc as simply a key to his treasure, but we never see hongjoong refer to seonghwa that way despite the fact that hwa and mc are the same, sirens. so why is that? and what does it mean?

For him saying that he fears her, I take this two ways through I'm not sure if it was your intention. One for the heart incident, and other one because he knows from firsthand how much a pain in the ass she can be and knows she will give the evil squirrel a hardtime 😼 also, both Joong and Mc have been compared before with their pride and ego, probably he "fears her" because he can see some of himself in her and knows how determined she can be?

i think you’re completely right and hitting the nail on the head !!! the obvious fear is of course the heart incident but we see hongjoong be so wildly defensive whenever mc challenges him that there does seem to be this sense of ‘im afraid bc my authority is being threatened now what’

Him breaking down at the end,,,he probably was already on edge before and seeing San's and Yn's last interaction ended up making him break, like, it was so heartbreaking I- 😭😭?? Now the crew will probably all be over him for giving her away and shit will be intense-

there’s a huge weight to that scene for sure T_T like having hongjoong who knows why she’s leaving and knows that he is the reason behind it, he bears that burden on his shoulders, he hold that weight of guilt, and seeing san, someone he speaks so highly of and cares about, break because of his decision? yeah...

okok after this huge rant, WHY YOU GOTTA BE LIKE THIS?? LIKE I'M BOTH LOVING YOU AND HATING YOU RN MISS IMMA GONNA BONK YOU IN THE HEAD AND HUG YOU WHILE CRYING AFTERWARDS-

But such a well done work as always, the way you write is just amazing I wish I had half the talent you got 😭😭 I'll be back after I read the new chapter because I got behind because of that same thing I said so wait for me 👁👁

– 🐻 anon

I RANTED RIGHT BACK TO YOU IM SAWRY IM SORRYYYYYY Loving you ONLYYYYYY i’ll be here now winded after my ESSAY BACK TO YOU </3

#mists of celeste #moc: spoilers #🐻 anon

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