sorry but the entire ‘i’m just ken’ song warner bros just released is SO ladynoir coded. she is everything, he’s just ken (as every f/m ship should be). thank you chat noir for being The Most ken of all time.
regarding the When Did Jon And Martin Fall In Love With Each Other debate that is perpetually going on, I'd argue that Jon's "mysterious" pretentious prick demeanor was appealing to Martin at first but when he realised Jon was actually rather impulsive and an occasional idiot he just fell right on his face. Similarly, Jon thought Martin was cute when he was a bit of a pushover and more nonconfrontational but he fell truly madly deeply in love when Martin began to be a bit of a bitch (said with love)
The way scum villain has so many themes about writing/the literary arts and mdzs has so many themes about music and tgcf has so many themes about visual art and how each character that represents each of those respectively has their own struggle with their craft (passion burnout, loss of control over their ip/creation, obsession and dissociation) that gets turned on its head as their stories continue and their art comes to represent satisfaction and connection and devotion and love