No one can convince me that the vindice aren't playing "who's the best" in their free time.

Gonna throw myself into another Iemitsu and Tsuna's relationship post because the sudden raise of people acknowledging this is more complicate than bashing fics.

One thing I believe is that if, by some chance like reincarnation fanfic, Tsuna wants to be a mafia (or well involve with the mafia) from young age, then Iemitsu would be a good dad to Tsuna. Iemitsu is capable of being a good dad/master to Basil, this is obvious, but the thing is Basil from the start is a fighter/mafia already and Tsuna is, yes, a civilian at first. (Not to mention Tsuna is still heavily rejecting mafia at the end of manga)

I don't know how Iemitsu ends up as mafia, high position one even. I just can see in the manga how Tsuna and Iemitsu interact is mostly through a mafia event first and foremost - Ring Battle, Representative Battle. I see Iemitsu makes a deal with Mukuro so Tsuna has a complete set to compete in the Ring Battle. I see the way he tries to tell something to his son is literally through fist in the Rainbow war, so yeah I see Iemitsu doesn't know how to interact with his civilian son in a normal loving way of parent. His love language with civilians, both his son and wife, is to leave them completely in the dark about himself and mafia because that would keep them safe.

But turn the matter around, as mostly Tsuna and Iemitsu interact through mafia events, I see that if Tsuna follows the mafia path, Iemitsu would be openly supportive and engaged in Tsuna's life than what happened in canon. To be honest Iemitsu may be still clumsy at conversation and throws fist to tranfer his idea, that I can't deny because I don't have a full grasp over Iemitsu's characteristic as mafia. But Iemitsu's want of Nana and Tsuna being safe is real, look at how he literally throwing himself in front of Vindice to protect Nana. If Tsuna by any chance involving with the mafia from young age, I hence see Iemitsu teaching his son how to fight and engaged in his son's life more so his now-mafia son can survive in his world.

But well since the beginning the dad and the son belongs to different world, they have no same ground to bonding as dad and son. So yeah.

A little bonus: even if Tsuna, as a teenager in manga, grows up and finally agrees to be the next mafia boss of Vongola, I still see Iemitsu being more engaged in his son's life in that situation. Meaning Tsuna doesn't have to want to be mafia at young age for dad-son relationship being closer. Of any chance, as long as Tsuna is in the mafia, Iemitsu would be more close to his son.

Well I say this because look at how Tsuna in the Future Arc, an adult Tsuna in the mafia world, completely hides his plan away from his loved one (mind you, this included Future Gokudera and Lal, debatably all other guardians except Hibari) to have chance winning against Byakuran and thus protecting his loved one. This screams Iemitsu so much, and so just personal opinion but I see in this Future arc, Tsuna-mafia-boss and Iemitsu had talked and bonded enough for Tsuna to understand his dad's method of staying silent, and then using a nearly almost same one as his way of protecting his family.

(My headcanon is at the beginning of Tsuna's mafia reign, Iemitsu is still Cedef boss and supports his son with all his might like how he supports Tsuna in the Ring Battle. I like Basil being Cedef boss one day but I see that come later in Tsuna's reign, when Basil has more experience. For the start of Neo Vongola, Iemitsu is still there for his Neo Vongola Primo son.

And logically Tsuna as mafia boss would not chase Iemitsu away even when they are not talking it out, like Iemitsu is a strong, experienced mafia who truly wants to protect Tsuna hence would be loyal too. Like no boss gonna fire (or pull the string to get rid off) someone such competent like that? It would be such a waste.)

Some of y’all aren’t ready to accept that iemitsu is not a one-note villain (not saying he’s not a questionable father) and that Tsuna and Iemitsu’s relationship is so wonderfully complex and shouldn’t be watered down to just “iemitsu bad. Tsuna deserves better.”

Thank you for the detailed answer and yes, definitely, Iemitsu and Tsuna's relationship is messed up. I still don't know if Amano sensei's choice of not resolving their relationship is to support the open ending in the end or not. (Like, the open ending leaves the question of whether Tsuna becoming Vongola don or not. Based on the TYL action, maybe he can understand Iemitsu's act of hiding the truth from the loved one and can have a somewhat decent talk with his dad if Tsuna himself is part of mafia aka the world of his father? The potential to be close is there, not a total shut door) (BTW I don't watch the anime so I don't know about Iemitsu trying to bond with Tsuna in the anime scene, from what I see in the manga of two arcs Ring and Rainbow Iemitsu doesn't try to bond with his son at all 🥲 oh well, even their communication is messed up as shown in Rainbow arc, it would be awkward for them to actually bond here)

The TYL is basically bareland like the Simon family so yes we are free to interpret TYL Tsuna's action here, and I myself also see that his action is, while cruel and reckless, indeed justified, because it maintains an element of surprise and is the best option to score a chance to defeat Byakuran. But in the original post you mention that action speaks louder than words, and when I think about the TYL, the question pops up in my head: since TYL Tsuna acts as he does, would that also mean he doesn't trust his guardians as he doesn't tell them that he fakes his death and leaves them in such sorrow for a time like that? Maybe he tells Hibari because he still needs Hibari to train his past self, and well it never outright confirms that Tsuna hides the truth from other guardians, but he definitely hides the truth from Gokudera, as how we see in the beginning of Future Arc. If the bond is defined by action, then I think we can safely say their bond is not as close in the Future arc compared to their teen version. They are close to the extent all the guardians is ready to stay for a wrecked Vongola which has lost its leader, but not close to the point of that leader thinks he can completely trust in the guardians to spare them the sorrow. This is why I put the "maybe result is the answer we look at" at my first reblog, because in TYL it's truly the end justifies the mean here.

But well I totally agree with you on the "KHR never really need to outright say that the characters were close but rather shows us though actions." This is not applied to only Tsuna and his friend but other families and gang too, like Mukuro and his picking up stray tendency with Chrome and Fran, Dino and his men who supported him even in financial crisis when he first became boss, Varia and their loyalty to Xanxus even after knowing he is a "fake heir", Simon and how they all lick each other's wound as seven of them is against the world. There are all subtle hints everywhere , yes KHR done its relationship well that's no objections.

I think one of my favourite moments in the series is the end of the storm battle. for one i am a die hard gokudera fan and in my opinion only the gamma fight surpasses it. And on the other-

The fact tsuna who is usually so reserved and just lets dera do his thing despite telling him quietly "you really don't have to"

Gets SO pissed at Gokudera for DARING to put his life on the line for this. A piece of jewelery and an empty title..

He calls it all meaningless if that means they cant just hang out together anymore.

Dera who links his own worth as a human being to his usefulness and position as a mafiosi is told "I just want you alive and by my side" in i think one of the most direct "this is the core of the whole series" moments we get.

When yamamoto faces ken he still holds back bc he doesnt want to get injured but as soon as TSUNA is in danger he says "fuck it" and gets serious.

In the shimon arc hibari picks up on tsunas depressive state and it annoys him so he changes that in his own way.

Its how mukuro in the rainbow trials cares for a tired fran.

Its how during the ring battles the girls and mama Sawada CONSTANTLY visit Lambo to make sure he is okay.

Its also how tsuna saves him in the first place. Fuck the rings, fuck the position, fuck this whole stupid arangement of fights- he has to save his family.

These people often get violent with each other and agressive, they bicker and they fight, but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other.

Most shounen protags have some kind of dream or goal, Tsuna just really really wants a quiet life and to spend that with his friends and family. The whole mafia buisness is just what he needs to do to keep that family he gained safe. Nothing tsuna EVER does is motivated by some ulterior motive for fame or riches. Its either him being FORCED into action bc he was literally kicked into it by reborn, or its because he has to resolve the situation to keep his friends and family safe.

The Caallone has a FUCKTON of members and so does the vongola and Tsuna really really really really REALLY doesnt care for any of that because in the end his own world is very small compared to the mafia.

I have to think of that one quote "why do you want to save this planet?" -"Because I live here!" for tsuna it would be "because my family lives here."

I mean be Tsuna isn't "heroic". Yeah he cares about other people and strangers, he helps old ladies, but when something is going on his go to isn't "I have to do something!" it's uauslly "man I hope SOMEONE does something. Not gonna be me tho!"

Sorry for the long ask i just wanted to rephrase what you said basically and send it back to you

HELLO AGAIN, thank you for the ask. Don't apologize at all for length, I'm absolutely foaming reading this.

I'm so glad you get what I was going for in the post. Those moments drive me insane. "They bicker and they fight but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other" and "Because my family lives here" I FEEL ABSOLUTELY INSANE ABOUT THESE LINES. You're so so right!!! The Vongola kids bully and tease and are nasty to each other, until it comes down to it and they fight tooth and nail for each other. Exactly what I was going for. The series doesn't need those scenes where Tsuna tells Gokudera he cares about him and they're warm and cuddly towards each other, bc it comes through in his words when meek and reserved Tsuna yells at him and tells him to stop trying to die for him or for some stupid ring. And I think that's so fun!! All the other stuff you listed also drives me so insane. For yamamoto, him letting himself get injured for Tsuna's sake was so good and Tsuna's love for Yamamoto shone through there too because Tsuna saw the injury and felt such immense guilt only apologizing for ruining everything for Yamamoto. Only for Yamamoto to go "No, I'm fine. As long as YOU'RE safe" like that's so good???

The Hibari thing?? How he sees Tsuna's depressed state over it all and all he says to comfort him is "Watch me." because that's all he could understand about the situation. That if he wins his fight, somehow Tsuna will cheer up. and its just so???? GOD ITS JUST SO FULL OF LOVE. Every character in this series shows love in their own ways and it drives me maddd

Mukuro taking care of a tired child too doesn't surprise me with his backstory. He's so gentle with people that are in "his care" even if he won't actively admit it.

The girls as well I'm so glad you pointed them out!! We so like to ignore them in this fandom and thats so sad bc the series makes it really clear that they are part of this equation too. That without their support, the fighters would not have made it. Tsuna could relax knowing Mama Sawada and the girls were watching Lambo and focus on his fight. And during future, he could focus on his training. Not to mention, they're just so supportive especially after they find out what's going on. The boycott episode and its resolution are some of my favorite scenes in Future, it makes me insane that the show gave the girls a Moment to remind us that they too are both deeply loved and ALSO love the boys just the same.

You're so right about Tsuna not being heroic, hell even in Shimon arc Enma is being bullied right infront of him and its Reborn that has to be like "STOP OR SAWADA TSUNAYOSHI WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!" He's kindhearted and he's got a good moral compass.. It's hard to explain, but you basically have to be IN Tsuna's circle for you to get that sort of "I will die for you" behavior kksjng otherwise he sorta reverts back to his "who me? im just a 14 yr old boy im nobody"

Thank you for sharing Lou (Or eternitas, whatever you'd prefer!) Spreading my own brain rot back at me very nice :^)

Hello, I hope I don't bother you with this sudden reblog (⁠^⁠～⁠^⁠;) and before starting I just want to say I agree with everything you said above but well, about Iemitsu, i think this is a vague point at best. Well, Iemitsu is NOT a great dad, that's no debate, but he never once in the manga says anything about he DOES THE STUFF for Tsuna. Even in the Ring arc, when he is the one making a deal with Mukuro and Chrome so that they can become Tsuna's Mist Guardian, he doesn't say a words to his son and Tsuna, along with the reader, only finds that out during the Mist battle in Mukuro's illusion that Iemitsu does help Tsuna by helping his son completing his guardians set. To be honest, during 409 chapters of the manga, Iemitsu never ONCE say he loves and cares for Tsuna (this is why so many people bashing Iemitsu over neglecting Tsuna too) the most he says in the Rainbow arc is he understands Tsuna because Tsuna is his son. (Which is not true, Sawada men have a terrible case of miscommunication but that's not the point) He doesn't even try to bond with Tsuna, not in the Ring arc when he is shown to be drunk and sleep like a log most of the time, or in the Rainbow arc when he and Tsuna is supposed to be ally in the Rainbow battle. Never ONCE in the manga Iemitsu tries to tell anyone, much less the audience, that he is a loving and caring father. Even the manga characters like Collonello and Lal are shocked/confused when Iemitsu tries to throw a big as hell rock onto not-HDW-Tsuna, this man doesn't try to tell anyone anything.

But well this doesn't equal "Iemitsu doesn't show up when Tsuna needs him", like just the example of Ring arc with Mukuro and Chrome shows it very well even when Tsuna doesn't need him he shows up anyway. And frankly, because the relationship between the Sawada men is brushed off lightly, we never know if Tsuna has even NEEDED Iemitsu in his life - remember, after Iemitsu leaves his house, Tsuna (in Reborn's words, not mine) has developed an "arrogant attitude/cheap price" (chapter 370) that he is better than his "embarrassment of a man" father. Do you think Tsuna would develop one single thought that he needs help from Iemitsu when in his mind he thinks he is better than his dad? This is also why Tsuna vehemently rejects Iemitsu so much. As the reader's view, we can interpret that yes a kid needs both his parents, Tsuna needs Iemitsu at some point of his life, but as the Sawada relationship is rushed so quick, what we have is just the base, the very first tip of the conflict iceberg between Tsuna and Iemitsu. What we have is a terrible case of miscommunication of a dad thinking he can automatically understand his son because his son is his son and a son who never sees another side of his father and only witnesses his "family/deadbeat, unserious" side of his father, leading him to disrespect his dad as an embarrassment. Do they solve it later? No one knows. Do they talk about it? No one knows either. But we readers have an example that Tsuna has the possibility to grow up in a mini copy mindset of Iemitsu in the Future arc. The adult Tsuna hides the mafia stuffs from adult Kyoko and Haru in the future, in the exact same way Iemitsu hides the mafia stuff from Nana. Can we say they have talked in the Future Arc and adult Tsuna understands his dad's action leading him to perform an exact version of what his dad did to his loved one? We can, and nothing is confirmed, because all we have is the tip of the iceberg.

Well I stray too far, but well concluded my point is, Iemitsu doesn't try to show anything to tell anything. Not to his son, not to other characters, not to the audience even. He just dumps his action on the table and never explain. This is a show when action speaks louder than words, yes, but alongside of cast of characters with obvious acts that can be seen as right or wrong like Tsuna's gang, there is morally grey cast of mafia like Iemitsu and Timoteo with questionable actions that can't be judged by the surface.

And that? That "no explanation, just action, wanting a result" course of mindset?

That's mafia right there.

Alongside Tsuna's good intention world, there is a world of vaguely morally grey of actions that depends on the point we stand, the person we side, the result we want, the effect we see, can be questioned, understood, hard to fathom, or totally unacceptable at all.

And will Tsuna become one in that world like how his TYL version of Future arc bringing children to the frontline of battlefield trying to defeat a world-destroyed maniac? Well, that's an open question too. Once, action speaks louder than words, but who know from time, maybe only result is the answer to look at here.

I think one of my favourite moments in the series is the end of the storm battle. for one i am a die hard gokudera fan and in my opinion only the gamma fight surpasses it. And on the other-

The fact tsuna who is usually so reserved and just lets dera do his thing despite telling him quietly "you really don't have to"

Gets SO pissed at Gokudera for DARING to put his life on the line for this. A piece of jewelery and an empty title..

He calls it all meaningless if that means they cant just hang out together anymore.

Dera who links his own worth as a human being to his usefulness and position as a mafiosi is told "I just want you alive and by my side" in i think one of the most direct "this is the core of the whole series" moments we get.

When yamamoto faces ken he still holds back bc he doesnt want to get injured but as soon as TSUNA is in danger he says "fuck it" and gets serious.

In the shimon arc hibari picks up on tsunas depressive state and it annoys him so he changes that in his own way.

Its how mukuro in the rainbow trials cares for a tired fran.

Its how during the ring battles the girls and mama Sawada CONSTANTLY visit Lambo to make sure he is okay.

Its also how tsuna saves him in the first place. Fuck the rings, fuck the position, fuck this whole stupid arangement of fights- he has to save his family.

These people often get violent with each other and agressive, they bicker and they fight, but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other.

Most shounen protags have some kind of dream or goal, Tsuna just really really wants a quiet life and to spend that with his friends and family. The whole mafia buisness is just what he needs to do to keep that family he gained safe. Nothing tsuna EVER does is motivated by some ulterior motive for fame or riches. Its either him being FORCED into action bc he was literally kicked into it by reborn, or its because he has to resolve the situation to keep his friends and family safe.

The Caallone has a FUCKTON of members and so does the vongola and Tsuna really really really really REALLY doesnt care for any of that because in the end his own world is very small compared to the mafia.

I have to think of that one quote "why do you want to save this planet?" -"Because I live here!" for tsuna it would be "because my family lives here."

I mean be Tsuna isn't "heroic". Yeah he cares about other people and strangers, he helps old ladies, but when something is going on his go to isn't "I have to do something!" it's uauslly "man I hope SOMEONE does something. Not gonna be me tho!"

Sorry for the long ask i just wanted to rephrase what you said basically and send it back to you

HELLO AGAIN, thank you for the ask. Don't apologize at all for length, I'm absolutely foaming reading this.

I'm so glad you get what I was going for in the post. Those moments drive me insane. "They bicker and they fight but when the chips are down, all they care about is each other" and "Because my family lives here" I FEEL ABSOLUTELY INSANE ABOUT THESE LINES. You're so so right!!! The Vongola kids bully and tease and are nasty to each other, until it comes down to it and they fight tooth and nail for each other. Exactly what I was going for. The series doesn't need those scenes where Tsuna tells Gokudera he cares about him and they're warm and cuddly towards each other, bc it comes through in his words when meek and reserved Tsuna yells at him and tells him to stop trying to die for him or for some stupid ring. And I think that's so fun!! All the other stuff you listed also drives me so insane. For yamamoto, him letting himself get injured for Tsuna's sake was so good and Tsuna's love for Yamamoto shone through there too because Tsuna saw the injury and felt such immense guilt only apologizing for ruining everything for Yamamoto. Only for Yamamoto to go "No, I'm fine. As long as YOU'RE safe" like that's so good???

The Hibari thing?? How he sees Tsuna's depressed state over it all and all he says to comfort him is "Watch me." because that's all he could understand about the situation. That if he wins his fight, somehow Tsuna will cheer up. and its just so???? GOD ITS JUST SO FULL OF LOVE. Every character in this series shows love in their own ways and it drives me maddd

Mukuro taking care of a tired child too doesn't surprise me with his backstory. He's so gentle with people that are in "his care" even if he won't actively admit it.

The girls as well I'm so glad you pointed them out!! We so like to ignore them in this fandom and thats so sad bc the series makes it really clear that they are part of this equation too. That without their support, the fighters would not have made it. Tsuna could relax knowing Mama Sawada and the girls were watching Lambo and focus on his fight. And during future, he could focus on his training. Not to mention, they're just so supportive especially after they find out what's going on. The boycott episode and its resolution are some of my favorite scenes in Future, it makes me insane that the show gave the girls a Moment to remind us that they too are both deeply loved and ALSO love the boys just the same.

You're so right about Tsuna not being heroic, hell even in Shimon arc Enma is being bullied right infront of him and its Reborn that has to be like "STOP OR SAWADA TSUNAYOSHI WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!" He's kindhearted and he's got a good moral compass.. It's hard to explain, but you basically have to be IN Tsuna's circle for you to get that sort of "I will die for you" behavior kksjng otherwise he sorta reverts back to his "who me? im just a 14 yr old boy im nobody"

Thank you for sharing Lou (Or eternitas, whatever you'd prefer!) Spreading my own brain rot back at me very nice :^)

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My original intention is to make a whole long series of episodes of why the Primo family filler of KHR anime suck, and it would be actually an easy effort because almost every single episodes got something wrong, but I am too lazy to screenshot so yeah just put here the top reason why this filler itches me so much: Giotto's word when confronting Daemon after the Mist trial.

(Why do I even use the word "confront" this guy basically turns a blind eyes to his ex-guardian kidnapping his descendants' friends and trapping those kids, why do I even use the word "confront"?)

To put it bluntly, I have no problem with Giotto and Daemon making up after more than a decade of being apart. At the same time, I also have no problem with Giotto missing Daemon or being nostalgic about their friendship and thus forgiving Daemon stabbing him in the back. (And at the other end of the stick, there is nothing wrong with the Will-Daemon moving on and reconciling with Giotto while theoretically the ghost-Daemon is currently causing chaos and sufferings for the Simon Tenth out there) In short, there's no problem with the two of them being friend, at all.

And yet the scriptwriters have to choose the worst wordphrase possible for Giotto to express his feeling. In the 7,749 possible ways for the blond Primo to try to reconcile with his friend, he must choose the way of speaking to plummet this scene straight into the abyss regarding the total plot of KHR.

No, Giotto could have said directly "I want you to return to our family", or even more directly, "I miss you" to Daemon. But he has to say it like this. He has to say that his feelings towards Daemon have not changed after what Daemon did.

Which mean, in regard of the total plot of KHR, in regard of the Inheritance arc in the manga, that means Daemon almost killed Cozart and Cozart's entire family by using Giotto's name to lure Cozart to death. His betrayal almost kills Cozart and Giotto in here vocally states out that his feelings towards Daemon doesn't change.

"I still consider you as a friend even when another friend of mine almost died because of you being angry at me and my ideal." Yes, that's how this scene plays out to me. Even more ironically if we take the context of Giotto and Daemon mentioning about eternal friendship right before this sentence, because it would mean in the name of eternal friendship with Daemon Giotto is willing to be okay with Daemon messing with the Simon, and forgives Daemon for dragging Cozart and Cozart's family into a Vongola-personal-conflict between Giotto and Daemon.

May I ask, in the name of eternal friendship with Daemon, where is any value of friendship with Cozart presented, as Giotto says that there is nothing change in his feeling even when Cozart almost dies? And I am not even taking the fact that the Simon, now, is still suffered due to Daemon because perhaps Giotto doesn't know about it.

Until there is a reasonable answer for the "Cozart almost dying with the Simon doesn't make Giotto change his feeling or viewing towards his subordinate who committed that sin, yet he still makes Cozart's blood into the family heirloom to represent the family sin" statement, this scene in filler eliminates the chance of Simon arc being aired. If we follow the flow of the anime, Giotto right before the Inheritance arc indirectly dimisses the whole tragedy regarding the Simon and the arc after he is shown to be in deep friendship with that same founder of the Simon. Hypocrisy or two-faced, the card is being brought to the table here.

Real question: why majority of KHR fandom think Tsuna looks more like Nana than Iemitsu when appearance wide Tsuna only takes his eyes from Nana?

If anything he is a teenager boy of 14-15 which means he may not even hit puberty yet which means his physical appearance can still change now what if his adult got a darker skin tone and sharp jaw line and sharp eyes?

But well the main question is why Tsuna is considered by the fandom to looks like Nana more when he just takes ONE appearance trait from her?

Edit: Sure the brown hair and eyes seem to be a genetic trait from Nana. The problem: depends on the artstyle technically the color of KHR characters' hair and eyes can be changed too. Like Iemitsu has somewhat yellow eyes in manga style but in anime he has brown eyes, so using color to explain Tsuna looking more like whom would be a very weak reason. Especially when even the main character seems to have a varied-coloured eyes in different arts:

So for now the only sure thing is that Tsuna takes the SHAPE OF EYES from his mother. The colour would be an open debate.

This man kills his uncles's kid for raping his daughter, self-defend himself in a court charging him holding by that uncle with one sentence of "he raped my daughter".

And he was let go.

This man got my respect as a dad.

I absolutely love the new Percy Jackson show and everything but gods will I forever have a bone to pick with Rick for the way he made tons of people think Ares is a shit dad.

No, Ares freaking loves his kids, he cares for them in ways that were looked down upon.

Like that is one of the few things we actually see (consistently) in his myths, which there aren’t a lot, and it’s that he actually cares a lot about his kids. He cries when they die, he wants revenge against their killers, he is protective of them.

I was hoping the new writing team would do some more research, but they have just double down-ed on this, which I guess makes sense given how Ares is seen in modern culture, but gods does it hurt to see. No hate to the actor by the way, he did an incredible job with what he was given.

TL;DR: I hate how modern media presents Ares as an uncaring father, something that goes against one of his few mythological traits.

Fake dating trope has a hold of me recently, I apologize for my horrible writing skills

Fake dating au, where tsuna needs a partner to stop a new upcoming mafia threatening their friends and families, there not pinning for each other…yet~

Of how TYL KHR fanfics in my country kick away family bonding time and trap Tsuna in his desk

We don’t talk enough about how fanfiction writers love to give character large amounts of non-specific paperwork they hate doing

This gonna be quite a solid base for my point about the Primo filler.

On the Anime-Only Arcs

I have been thinking about how the filler arcs in the KHR anime have been defended and/or touted as canon because “Amano supervised/wrote them” which is a claim I constantly see regurgitated, and yet had never seen a source for. So I went looking, and all I found was this official art, cited by the Wiki as evidence of her supervision. (Of course, this post could change a lot if there is any other official source on this topic, so please share with me if you do have one.)

The relevant part is the blurb on the bottom left. And… That isn’t what it actually says. The crucial phrase here is “源案協力” … basically, what Amano contributed to the Arcobaleno Trials arc is stated as “original plan/draft cooperation,” which could mean any number of things. Could it mean she played a role in determining the arc composition? Yes. Could it also mean that she had no direct part in it, and simply advised them on the arcobaleno’s personalities? Yes. Does it mean she could have supervised the project? Almost certainly not. And if she was the primary person involved with developing the original concept, she would probably have been credited with “源案” (creator, or literally “original plan”) not original plan assistance.

On top of this, she had a manga to write… People seem to underestimate how time-consuming both of these jobs are. The blurb also says nothing of the Primo Family arc, and I couldn’t find anything that does, though we can assume she at least gave the writers insight on Daemon’s motivations and personality.

It is also worth noting Amano is not formally credited with anything except creation of the source material in regards to the anime.

It is obviously acceptable to synthesize characterization and information from these arcs if you like them; just as with other anime filler, their status as filler does not void their existence. However, I’ve always found the argument that they are distinctly canon a bit tenuous. It is subjective and depends on your definition of the term, but if “written by Amano” or “Amano had significant creative control” are a part of your definition, the arcs are almost certainly not canon.

Though to me, it’s strange to consider them such even if Amano wrote them word for word, since they weren’t a part of the manga anyways… If they were so canon, maybe she would have written them to begin with. Maybe their existence would not completely shatter the narrative tension of the main arc. Maybe she would have made it so Tsuna and co. were already familiar with the arcobaleno and Daemon Spade when they meet them in the later arcs.

I digress. If you want to argue that they are canon or otherwise valuable, that’s fine, just use an argument other than “Amano definitely had a decent say in what happens in them” because we really have no way of knowing that. (And in general, it would be good if this fanbase would not regularly make claims like this without citing a source and continue to perpetuate common points of misinformation like this one.)