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Gwiles shippers get really bothered when you say you want them platoniclly. Like there was a post on twitter saying about platonic relationships and the shippers lost their minds
Right đ You donât even have to insult the romantic version of the ship. Most of them are always gonna find a way to make it seem like youâre wrong for liking their ship platonically
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Why do you hate gwiles
I donât hate gwiles. (At least not platonic gwiles.) With romantic gwiles, at first, I didnât mind it, but the more people who DO ship romantic gwiles started shitting on, and near threatening, the ones who donât really ship romantic gwiles, the ship got less cool to me.
Plus, these two are fully and perfectly capable of being friends đ I will never understand how anyone can dislike someone for stating that.
And honestly? For me, if itâs most of the people who ship this ship actively shitting on those who donât like the ship, this is not the ship for me. (Not romantically anyways.) Like some of these shippers are pulling their punches for a fictional ship. Letâs be real here. In what world will it ever be necessary đ
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What do you think/hope they'll do with Earth 42?
I hope they show us more of whatâs been happening in the Spider-less dimension. Maybe Miles-42 and Aaron-42 are vigilantes who try their best to stop some disturbing crimes they could harm them and Rio. Maybe they go against the seemingly non-existent law of crime and thrive with what they have. Things are different in this dimension due to alot of things, but deep in the core heart of Miles Morales, I believe all he wants is peace for his family, no matter how they get that and no matter how hard their world may stop them from getting so.
I wanna see Miles-42 and his own path heâs dug himself to navigate in this world. He may be even closer to Aaron than Miles-1610 because Aaron-42 is there even after his father has passed. It can also show things about Aaron-42: how heâs just as protective of the ones he loves. When his brother died, Iâm sure he didnât take it easy, but as it goes, he wants his brother to ârest in powerâ without having to worry about those he unintentionally left behind. Aaron-42 took Miles-42 under his wing (maybe because Miles-42 asked, maybe because Miles-42 isnât stupid and SEES lifeâs gonna be tougher with one less TRUE hero in the world) and now theyâre both living up to what Jefferson would have wanted in their world: A protective for their family they canât simply ask for and receive. With crime almost everywhere (seemingly), they have to keep a good eye out and watch what they have.
Idk. I just want MORE đ
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Im just saying if they really want to be subversive they wouldn't force them together (cause it's lowkey forced)
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I said this before and I was told âMiLeS sTorY is AbOuT hAvInG a ChOiCe!â đ
Yea. Itâs about having a choice. Having a choice about who he forgives. Having a choice about what HIS story is gonna be. Metaphorically, itâs like fans who want Miles to automatically forgive the spiders who hurt him are like âcanonâ events, where someone says this certain thing is supposed to happen because thatâs just wHaTâs SuPpOsEd tO hApPeN (Miles forgiving the others), when in reality canon events are stupid and not everything happens for a certain reason. Miles doesnât have to forgive anyone he doesnât want to. That is HIS choice and his alone.
The argument that Miles not forgiving them is âout of characterâ is stupid because really? Not forgiving someone whoâs hurt you is out of character?? For who??? And when do they draw the line??? Are they just a doormat ready to be stomped on?? Get outta here đ
Most ppl just want Miles to get over his feelings just so ghostflower can be canon but that feels to forced and easy. Me personally would rather have a more organic, realistic ending--they be friends againbut decide to try and build back that trust they had. Because yeah, we know Gwen is gonna help him out, but like...to forgive so quick and easily is not realistic. That takes time to heal and get over that kind of thing. Even though they reconcile and gwen apologies Miles should not just get over it that fast.
That's a satisfying ending--they're back on good terms but work on building back their relationship and not just, jump into one
This.
Why just make Miles get over what happened the moment Gwen and Peter and the other spiders start to help him? Like? No?? Thatâs not how this works. Without consequences on certain things, no one would realize the mistakes they made and nothing would be done about it.
So, yea. Miles shouldnât forgive the spiders automatically once he sees them helping him. Give it lots of time because what happened probably hurt him lots.
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Most ppl just want Miles to get over his feelings just so ghostflower can be canon but that feels to forced and easy. Me personally would rather have a more organic, realistic ending--they be friends againbut decide to try and build back that trust they had. Because yeah, we know Gwen is gonna help him out, but like...to forgive so quick and easily is not realistic. That takes time to heal and get over that kind of thing. Even though they reconcile and gwen apologies Miles should not just get over it that fast.
That's a satisfying ending--they're back on good terms but work on building back their relationship and not just, jump into one
This.
Why just make Miles get over what happened the moment Gwen and Peter and the other spiders start to help him? Like? No?? Thatâs not how this works. Without consequences on certain things, no one would realize the mistakes they made and nothing would be done about it.
So, yea. Miles shouldnât forgive the spiders automatically once he sees them helping him. Give it lots of time because what happened probably hurt him lots.
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I definitely agree the shippers can be awful and turned me off from the ship. Like I didn't have any strong feelings about it but I went from being neutral to disliking it. As you said their behavior towards people who say they don't like it, the treatment Margo gets just for people shipping her with Miles (the treatment margo gets from the fandom hurts my heart it really does) the racism, is just... ick. And it's not just Margo who gets bashed, they do it to Miles's other love interests (who are also black) but that's a rant for another day. Like the interracial nonsense is dumb, like gwen and miles aren't the first black and white ship (there's plenty of them out there) and they will not be the last. There's nothing really groundbreaking about it.
Also I have hella gripes with the ship romantically outside of the shippers like the development romantic wise is just...not good. And if they do become canon in btsv it'll feel forced, not just the factor of gwen and her betrayal and Miles forgiving her, but the fact that their relationship is lowkey just codependent and borderline unhealthy.
Words I couldnât say better myselfâźď¸
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genuinely curious this isn't me trying to argue or hate, but why don't you like gwen /miles or want them canon?
I partly donât like them because of the shippers. Anytime me (and plenty of others) have simply said that we like Miles and Gwenâs friendship and we wish to see that instead of them being romantic in the next movie, (most) of the shippers call us racist and assume we donât like the ship because Miles is black and Gwen is white đ
Certainly not the case here. I see Miles and Gwen and I think friends-for-lifers because friends (besties, may I call them) can act the same way. Itâs always a case of they HAVE to be dating when in reality affection and love is something friends have for one another as well. Itâs NORMAL because we all have friends, yet the ones who like Gwen and Miles platonically are called crazy for not liking a popular ship. We all see things differently, so why attack and harass others for seeing differently?
But, thatâs the other reason I donât want them to get together. While others argue that itâs NOT a case of âthe two main characters getting together because one is a girl and one is a boyâ, it sort of always felt that way to me. This can be different. Platonic love is just as important as romantic love and takes time to develop, just like romantic relationships.
If they explored that concept more, itâd make me 1000% more emotional and 1000% more ready to see this movie when it comes out.
Them needing each othersâ company and assurance that theyâll be fine afterwards always gets me if itâs two people (or a group of people) who are alike and went through similar things, slowly finding a family in the friends they made along the way.
Iâll never be able to take away the fact others may ship Miles and Gwen, but no one can take away the fact they are each others best friend inside and outside. They care for each other (although they may show it differently) and they, in fact, do love each other (which isnât romantically to me).
I donât know if you ship them, but if you do, keep doing it. If it makes you happy (as watching these two and their friendship grow makes me happy).
#itâs all about how you view them#but itâs also about doing so respectfully.#bc Iâm tired of being argued with whenever i say i donât ship Ghostflower romantically#these two mean so much to most of everyone in this fandom#platonic or not#across the spiderverse#spiderman: across the spiderverse#platonic!ghostflower#platonic!gwiles
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I'm hoping they stay friends in the end, but even if they do become endgame I just...can't see them in that way where it'd be a long lasting relationship.
Dw. Youâre not alone.
Especially with the situation thatâs happened, even if they do âforgive and forgetâ (as some people want them to do solely so they can get together), I donât see it lasting long either, personally.
I feel like the most satisfying ending is Miles even wanting to talk to (Peter and) Gwen, telling them heâs grateful for them helping save his parents, his universe, but through all that, itâs the same thing that he cannot forgive them over.
For trying to let this âcanonâ event play out in the first place.
Maybe heâll do what Insomniac Miles did with Martin Li, where he told him heâs grateful, but he can just never truly forgive him for murdering his father.
Something like that.
Not every hero has to forgive the ones that hurt them.
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I love your takes so much, you're such a breath of fresh air in this fandom, especially one that gets so toxic and obsessive over shipping. I like that you can see and discuss the characters as separate entities and without bias (something that a certain portion of this fandom seem to struggle with) and actually talk and care for the plot of the story and development of the characters
đ Tysmmmm. Actually.
I love expressing my thoughts on these characters just as much and Iâm glad there are also people out there who actually love these stories instead of only focusing on the ships.
The plot of these stories make me want to talk about them. Alot. So, Iâm very happy that you appreciate me ranting about them đ đŤśđžđŤśđž
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Twitter is so stupid. Especially half of the ATSV fandom thatâs on it.
Yesterday, people (mostly Ghostflower shippers) jumped someone for not seeing the Miles and Gwen ship as romantic and??? What??? THATâS what yâall are jumping them over??
I highkey donât want BTSV to make Miles and Gwen get into a romantic relationship partly because of that. Like some of yâall Ghostflower shippers need a reality check FAST. Your ship is NOT worth jumping somebody over. Your ship is NOT as important as a REAL person. Your ship is NOT the only thing in the world.
And itâs actually likely BTSV wonât go the route of your ship. Most people would know that if they would get their heads out of their asses.
Being unnecessarily rude to someone because they donât like your ship isnât gonna make people like you. Itâs only gonna make them dislike you more. Ship what you want, but DONâT be rude when youâre doing so. Thatâll, in fact, get you absolutely nowhere.
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Twitter is so stupid. Especially half of the ATSV fandom thatâs on it.
Yesterday, people (mostly Ghostflower shippers) jumped someone for not seeing the Miles and Gwen ship as romantic and??? What??? THATâS what yâall are jumping them over??
I highkey donât want BTSV to make Miles and Gwen get into a romantic relationship partly because of that. Like some of yâall Ghostflower shippers need a reality check FAST. Your ship is NOT worth jumping somebody over. Your ship is NOT as important as a REAL person. Your ship is NOT the only thing in the world.
And itâs actually likely BTSV wonât go the route of your ship. Most people would know that if they would get their heads out of their asses.
Being unnecessarily rude to someone because they donât like your ship isnât gonna make people like you. Itâs only gonna make them dislike you more. Ship what you want, but DONâT be rude when youâre doing so. Thatâll, in fact, get you absolutely nowhere.
#idc anymore#yâall need to wake up and open your eyes#across the spiderverse#yes Iâm gonna tag the ship too because ALL of yâall need to hear this#ghostflower#gwiles#thatâs probably the only time Iâll tag them as a romantic ship tho#donât @ me#Iâm serious
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This was.. deep. I like it. I especially the thought that Spot hates what he is now so much, hates Spiderman for what he did (didnât do) to him and now wants to ruin his legacy like Miles did to him.
Not gonna lie, with the Spotâs upcoming time mucking shenanigans as suggested by the flashes of the future in Milesâ vision, I would not be surprised if the dimensional collapsing theorized by Miguel to come from averting too many âCanon Eventsâ will turn out to be a side effect of something the Spot will either do himself or set up to screw with Miles.
Particularly, with how much his origin monologue to Miles and Jeff centered around the idea that he made Spider-Man and vice versa, note how incredibly well that mentality would dovetail with Miguel and the Spider Societyâs belief that the âCanon Eventsâ are what made them Spider-Man.
@kindaorangey has a good post pointing out how the Spotâs mindset of âfilling the hole with more holesâ is a pretty apt metaphor for the way Miles, Gwen, and likely the other spider people diving into the identity of Spider-Man as a crutch for dealing with the isolation caused by said identity, but suffice to say, OP and @sir-adamus had these tags which I'd like to use as a jumping pad:
For this, we can analyze Miguel and Spot as two sides of the same coin, where Miguelâs side is about allowing canon events to play out through inaction, and Spot's side could potentially lead up to (as a side effect of his grudge against Miles) actively ensuring that only those canon events happen, with any deviations that don't fit into their views being cast aside.
The former position projects personal traumas as absolutely necessary and destined to happen onto others, the latter position rejects any possibility that things could go differently in a quite literal manner. But in the end, both ultimately are about "filling in the hole with more holes" and dictating what Miles "should" be like.
Miguel doesnât think Miles is a real Spider-Man and that him becoming Spider-Man was a mistake that never should have happened, all from his obsessive mentality surrounding Canon Events. He and by extension the other Spider-Men stuck in their hole of guilt and fatalism, surrounding themselves with other Spider-Men stuck in their holes of trauma and grief to where they have formed an echo chamber that tells them Miles cannot save his father's life and that they cannot do anything to save people anymore.
And in the Spot's case, the metaphor already came from him, but it's all about obsessively centering his new, lonely existence around being not just A, but THE nemesis to Miles' Spider-Man. He lost everything and has nothing except his connection to Spider-Man. To fill that hole, he's not only only making himself a villain that Miles will actually respect. He's going to try his damnedest to make sure that Miles reaches his full potential as Spider-Man just like he talked about in Mumbattan, and fill the hole with more holes in Miles' life until Miles is devoid of everything except the Spot.
Given the flashes of future events in Milesâ vision, if and when the Spot inevitably hears about Miguel's theory of Canon Events, it would only be fitting if the Spot retroactively becomes responsible for all the previous dimensional destruction the Spider-Society dealt with. And thus, Miguel's theory obsession would be its own recursive creator.
A vicious cycle of telling themselves that things have to happen a certain way, of blaming uncontrollable circumstances on something they think they can and should control, and of refusing to let go of the spiral they've fallen into.
After all, Miles already had an Uncle Ben-type event and the Spot is trying to set up a Captain Stacy-type event. Since the logical conclusion to the themes of Miles choosing what kind of Spider-Man he wants to be and not allowing preventable tragedies to happen would be that Jeff lives, wellâŚ
It would only be narratively fitting for the Spot to try to set up a Gwen Stacy event later down the line.
Because if Miles being bit and the Spot getting caught up in the collider wasn't destiny, if the intersection of their lives was simply due to circumstances they had no control over, if the dimensional collapses weren't because preventing Canon Events is inherently destabilizing to reality in of itself, then Miguel and the Spot would have to look inwards and actually try to figure out how to fill the holes in their lives.
So Miguel tells himself that what he does has to be done, that only he is strong enough to do it, and that everyone should follow his lead and stop caring.
As for the Spot?
If he fails to kill Jeff and Gwen, and when it's proven to everyone else that Canon Events are not required lynchpins of reality like Gwen found, he might just decide to try to make them actual lynchpins across time and space.
Or at least, making it so that the only realities that can exist are ones where those events happen.
Aka trying to forcibly changing the multiverse so suffering huge tragedy becomes an inherently integral part of Spider-Man the concept, rather than a mere possibility. So many Spider-Men and their dimensions getting hurt in the crossfire, and all in the process of targeting Miles Morales specifically.
Truly, it would be quite resonant if and when the Spider-Society let and help Miles get to save his Captain and Gwen Stacy. Beating the Spot would no longer be about the concept of stopping a threat to the multiverse and their canon events, but about metaphorically ending the cycle of suffering and finding a way to move forwards beyond the guilt. They probably canât actually change the past, but with this, they can fight to prevent it from happening to others.
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And tbh? I wouldnât blame you, just like I wouldnât blame Miles if he choices not to forgive the others.
He was lied to and ultimately hurt. Sometimes, thatâs something that wonât be forgiven. And guess what? You donât have to forgive those who hurt you.
I think Miles may reluctantly agree to work together with the Spider-gang temporarily ONLY to save his dad. Otherwise, heâs doing his very own thing.
I don't know if that makes me a terrible person or/and friend, but I realized that if I was in Miles' position in ATSV I would never be able to forgive my friends.
Like, even though Gwen and Peter were forced by Miguel, I still get why Miles is feeling upset and betrayed: he was going to give up his dream of pursuing art to study physics and find out how to travel to other universes to see Gwen and Peter again, and then he finds out they always had the means and ways to come see him, but never did. But that's not the worst part, because those two even knew Miles was an anomaly, and lied to him throughout all the movie, despite having their reasons. They even discussed what to tell him with Miguel.
Miles just wanted to be part of a group, to be part of something. And then he found out the people he wanted to be with so much weren't exactly like he thought they'd be.
I probably would never forgive my friends for something like that.
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