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i havent seen anyone else point out yet that ivan reaching for till's neck was already a consistent theme, strangulation aside
all the way back to round 3. in both that and after the karaoke scene, he's doing it specifically to release his restraints (post-karaoke specifically, it doesnt even seem to be for a real reason other than to bring him some temporary relief/comfort after that). even if its not shown in the other shots, i think thats what his desire is there too.
and with the strangling too, in the end i still think he was trying to save him through it, in whatever way he could at least. you could take that in the "it was a farce to save him" way or the "it was an attempted double suicide" way, but i think its just interesting. we see consistently ivan reach for till's neck to give him freedom, until the same gesture strangles him instead. isn't that ironic?
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My take on the round 6 (I will kill myself)
Someone pointed out that when Till was a baby he was looking intently at Ivan who had the operation in his eye making it have a red pupil
Then we go back to Black Sorrow's video and you see that Till ran by Ivan because he was going after a crown of RED flowers, which are THE EXACT SAME as the ones Ivan walked on before they started fighting :
The flower could be seen as Ivan, mostly because the red is similar to his pupil
Ivan tends to mock it/destroy it to get Till's attention while Till is seemingly careful around it and running after it (which could represent Ivan's self destructive personality and Till's previous focus on him)
I think the true reason Till looks away from Ivan all this time is because he found comfort by looking at him when he was at a low point in his life (he was being sold, experimented on, beat up, etc....) and yet, the person with such singular eyes was the one who ended up seeking his attention to the point of resorting to violence to get Till staring at him while fighting
Till wanted someone who would see him as an equal and respect him as a human being rather than some sort of animal
That's why he fell for Mizi, because of her gentle nature and bright personality who cares for others and acts delicately with everyone else
He was afraid to fall for someone who wouldn't bring the best out of himself
On the other side we've got Ivan, who clearly can't express his emotions correctly whether it be with his words or with his actions so he decided to either be affectionate with Till in front of everyone bc they would take his actions as jokes or use unconventional ways to be on Till's mind when they were together
Ivan is a character who was favored by monsters, he had a lot of expectations to meet and was treated as a prodigy, he was dehumanized because of his talent, and that's why he took a liking to Till : Till looked at him with admiration and interest but not for his talent, it was for him as a person
It was a sincere look of adoration
Now talking about looks, they say that when people look at something or someone they love their pupils dilate and guess what
Notice how the second he started to look at Ivan his eyes started to shine for the first time in the whole round
Despite everything, he was still that little boy looking at the thing he considered most beautiful in the whole world
Another interesting thing is the way Ivan went from kissing Till, to choke him
The kiss can be two things : him stepping up to kiss him before one of them dies and a way to stop the round by preventing the two of them from singing, making the result stop early and making sure Till would win
However the last kiss wasnt part of the plan
Ivan looked at the score to make sure everything went according to the plan and AFTER he got confirmation that Till was winning, he allowed himself an oh so small peck on Till's lips
So light that their lips barely touched at all, and yet after the long kissing scene this was the kiss with the bigbest impact : he allowed himself to love him a little more than supposed
The choking was to make SURE he would be targeted and killed instead of Till so that he could win, but it was possibly also a way for him to make sure Till wouldn't feel culpability after he dies since Ivan "attacked" him in the first place
But even then if you look at Till's neck afterwards there are no handprints around it, which means that he made sure not to press too hard, just enough to be targeted by the security
Ivan loves Till. There's no denying it. He cares for him when no one can witness his affection not even the one he loves. He never expected to have his feelings requited, he just wanted to be acknowledged and looked at, because whenever Till looks at Ivan, this is when Ivan feels the most elated
Till loves Ivan. And while he repressed his feelings by ignoring him, ONE look at him was enough to prove his infatuation
They mean a lot to each other but they both sucked at saying things
This is not just doomed yaoi, this is miscommunication doomed yaoi 💔💔💔
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VIVINOS WHEN I CATCH YOU
VIVINOS WHEN I CATCH YOU
also someone mentioned that Ivan looks like hes about to get married cuz hes dressed in white and Till looks like hes going to a Funeral, because he thinks that Mizi is dead
SAME WITH MIZI AND SUA
i have officially lost it and will never recover emotionally
have a nice day
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ONE THING THAT FUCKING KILLS ME ABOUT IVAN AND TILL SINGING MY CLEMANTIS THAT I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE POINT OUT??
IN THE ORIGINAL MY CLEMANTIS MIZI AND SUA SING THE FINAL “MY CLEMANTIS” TOGETHER BUT IN TILL AND IVAN’S VERSION IVAN SINGS IT ALONE???
You know. Because. Unrequited Feelings and All.
THE FACT THAT HE SINGS THAT LINE AFTER SINGING "Oh my Clemantis, please stay by my side"
TILL DOESN'T EVEN SEEM TO HUM THE LAST PART WITH IVAN, NOR DOES HE SING THE LAST LINE WITH HIM LIKE MIZI AND SUA DO TOGETHER. HE FUCKING DOESN'T STAY BY IVAN'S SIDE
ALSO. IVAN'S VOICE TREMORING AT THE VERY END OF HIM SAYING THE FINAL "CLEMANTIS"
I FUCKING HATE IT HERE
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alien stage thoughts because I'm going fucking insane. I've seen ppl talk about why Ivan did what he did so I'm sharing my thoughts
It was totally self sacrifice to some degree. He saw his numbers were higher and went fuck that, and did what he could to get them to drop down, knowing that he'd die for sure if he attacked Till. HOWEVER we also have to acknowledge Ivan is a freak. He wanted to kiss Till and took that chance whilst he had it, separate from any intent to save him. Ivan didn't want to be the one to survive out of the pair, but the route he took to achieve that was also inherently selfish, and got exactly what he wanted out of the situation
I think he went in with the intent to kill himself, and that's what he did, but all of the steps he took to achieve that were because he's a freak and was never just going to sit back and let himself die, he wanted to leave a mark
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they finished their shoot for the day lol (alnst actor au)
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Alien Stage Round 6 Thoughts
Ivan hated that kiss. Ivan hated that he had to resort to forcing himself on Till to save him.
He has always mourned that Till does not look at him but he is also, at the same time, satisfied with the distance of his unrequited love. The fact that he had to close that distance and literally hold Till in his grasp is a testament to how far he is willing to go and how much he is willing to sacrifice for Till.
Ivan broke his own boundaries as much as he broke Till's and he established a connection with Till that risks subjecting him to pain just to save him. Ivan looked down on Sua for leaving behind Mizi all alone with a broken heart and called her actions selfish, but Ivan likely realized that perhaps it is that selfishness that is needed to save his Till.
The deep love that Ivan harbored for so long was only truly realized in an act of sacrifice, by reluctantly taking active steps to have Till see him at the cost of his life and the safety provided to Till by an unrequited love. Ivan pulls Till into his embrace in the form of that sacrifice, telling him, "I am here. Look at me. I love you, so you must live. I'm sorry."
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the funniest character headcanons are feral, homophobic and tax evader i dont accept constructive criticism and you cant change my mind
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Things that are legal to do but unhinged
English added by me :)
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