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I just can’t see them making another previously canon straight main character gay or bi. If this was some kind of lgbt show, yeah maybe. But this is a first responder drama tv show. This would be too much, half the firehouse would be queer. This really wouldn’t be realistic, especially because originally only one member was made queer. And I don’t mean this in a homophobic way
They’re already getting enough bitching and moaning over this. I genuinely don’t think buddie has been the intention for some time, if it was ever intentional (I doubt). As much as Bi Buck has been generally well received and very importantly the ratings from 4 to 5 didn’t dip, let’s not pretend it’s universally beloved. ABC took a risk. It seems to have (mostly) panned out for them this time but I don’t see them doing it again.
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i got my cameo from lou (an hour before it was going to expire) and tommy & buck are thriving✌🏼
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Re: But Eddie and Tommy are so alike! So clearly Buck is confused and actually in love with Eddie.
I think you put it really well once, so I am sure this won’t be as good, but I’ll try haha.
Yes. Tommy and Eddie having a lot in common was made on purpose. But not to confuse Buck - notice how when he speaks of Tommy he mentions how confident he is? Doesn’t go on on the traits he shares with Eddie and does not speak of him in a way where you could confuse him with Eddie.
Tommy having things in common with Eddie served a purpose: for Buck to believe that ofc those two would be friends, how could they not? They have a lot in common! And both are great guys, so ofc they’re friends. And ofc he cannot compete with that, who is he kidding?
And here is the thing - ofc Tommy chooses to spend time with Eddie when they have so much in common. Buck acknowledges it at the end of the episode, even. But he also confirms he was trying to get Tommy’s attention.
Tommy being similar to Eddie was a problem for Buck, not making him confused. He sees they’re similar and that’s why he thought he had no chance against Eddie when it came to Tommy’s attention. And at this point he doesn’t even know what he wants the attention for, not until Tommy kisses him.
And guess what? The comparisons stop right there!
Sure he talks to Maddie on how he feels like he wasn’t truthful to Eddie, but that is not comparing one to another. And when he talks with Tommy at the end of the episode not once he makes a comparison or mentions Eddie in a way that can feel like he’s present in his mind.
In conclusion, the similarities were done on purpose. But not in the way BOBs misinterpret them
That’s also true! The similarities to Eddie are superficial and were primarily a smokescreen!
#life would be so much easier if bobs just understood this#bucktommy#evan buckley#tommy kinard#eddie diaz#911 abc
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I feel like this question could very easily be misinterpreted but bear with me please. Realistically, do you think the writers would make Eddie queer now that Buck is bi? If Eddie was queer, then 3 out of 5 main firefighters are lgbt and, as much as i wouldn’t mind that (i’m queer too please no pitchforks 😭) i can’t help but think it’s unlikely they’d go there simply for the ratio of it all and their key demo. Also they’d have to basically repeat a coming out arc? maybe if they had written Buck and Eddie realizing they’re queer at the same time it could work but now it just feels more dificult to make that happen organically. i don’t know, just a random thought…
Short answer: no.
Long(er) answer: I was already canon-Buddie-skeptical, so I was shocked and elated to even get one of them. I think whatever went into the decision to switch this storyline over to Buck put the nail in the coffin for gay or queer Eddie. And mostly for the reasons you said. This isn’t an “everyone’s gay because I said so” fanfiction, this is a mainstream procedural show on a major broadcasting network. I keep encouraging people to think less like a fanfiction author and more like a corporate bean counter. The demographic makeup of the main cast MATTERS.
Do people think it’s a coincidence that the main cast consists of 3 women and 4 men? 2 black women, an Asian man, a Latino man, 2 white men and a white woman? So we have a main lesbian couple, and a main mlm queer couple, and 3 main het couples, 2 of which are interracial. And the recurring cast has been similarly carefully curated for diversity? Fandom is a largely progressive space that like to think that we’re beyond these things, which can be kind of relieving at times, but unfortunately I have to be the bearer of bad news, we are very much not. I live with someone who actively gets very grumpy about Bathena, because “it’s fine but I don’t think this interracial stuff should be jammed down our throats, kids shouldn’t see it as normal.” Yeah we fought about it but it didn’t change their mind. My point is, we’re not past it, and the network knows that.
The show is very carefully balanced to edge forward on some issues while remaining mostly comfortable for your average Midwestern Christian mother. If you think the network isn’t actively tallying ratios, I’m sorry but you’re wrong. They aren’t in this just for Artistic Vision(tm), they’re in it for ratings and ad dollars.
And I’d say the same if it had been Eddie with the queer awakening in Season 7, that it severely reduced the chances of Bi Buck ever happening.
#yup#all of this#god i love when people are being realistic about such things#you are truly a breath of fresh air in this fandom#evan buckley#eddie diaz#911 abc
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There's a lot of discourse in the 9-1-1 fandom about representation at the moment in the wake of the whole bucktommy/buddie debacle. But there's one really important example of representation that people don't give the current Buddie relationship enough credit for.
Two men in an emotionally supportive yet platonic friendship.
Western society teaches men that the only emotional support they should get is from their mothers, and then from their romantic partners. That is toxic masculinity at its most caustic.
Seeing Buck and Eddie shedding that, and supporting each other so completely without the pretense of a romantic relationship is So. Fucking. Important.
The fact so many people look at Buddie and say 'there's no way two men could be like this and be platonic' is why it's so important to me that they are.
Their relationship isn't lesser because it's 'just' friendship. There is no 'just' about it. If anything, the fact that they are friends, not lovers, makes their relationship an even more important thing to have represented on screen.
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Do you think Tommy is here to stay for a while? How do you think is going to evolve his relationship with Buck? Will we get another kiss next episode?
I would love for him to stay forever!! Love him!!
Hey, Anon! Thanks for stopping by! I love talking about anything related to bucktommy, so you've basically made my day with your ask!
This turned into a long ass post, so I'm putting the rest under the cut.
Yes, I really do think Tommy is here to stay for a while because, honestly, he's the perfect LI to become Buck's endgame.
And I know that that thought is the biggest issue with certain stans right now, but like, he can easily have little storylines weaved throughout the series with the main and guest stars. And, if you actually read the interviews that the actors and Tim are doing, it's clear that's the goal. In fact, I was actually going to make a post for that idea, but I'll just add it here:
Hen, Chim, Bobby
Tommy clearly has a connection to Hen, Chim, and Bobby from his days at the 118. We've seen it in S2, so it's a canon fact. Chim saved his life, so that's a strong fucking bond right there. Not to mention they clearly enjoy quoting movies and probably discussing the plot of movies together. (Thank you, Bobby begins for the bar scene) Tommy was there when Kevin died, too, so he understands the loss that Chim has experienced through the job. And let's not forget that he had the opportunity to watch Chim become an amazing paramedic.
When it comes to Hen, he helped get rid of Captian Gerrard when Hen was being put through hell. (And yes, I do believe he said something to the higher ups. He is a military guy, and following the chain of command is very important to them, so I'm not surprised he never voiced his opinions outloud. Add that with the idea that he was very deep in the closet, he was probably terrified of that man.) And he knows that when it comes to Hen, she will never give up to do what's right and I like to think Tommy took a page from her book and applied that to his life on his journey to accept himself.
Then Bobby. Probably the first man in a leadership position that treated him with kindness and respect. When Bobby comes to the 118, there's some resistance, mostly from Sal, but even through all that, Tommy sees that Bobby is fair (transferring Sal to another station instead of fully firing him) and welcoming (by incorporating family dinners).
Athena
I was struggling with how he'd be connected to Athena, but then I remembered: trivia night!
Athena and Bobby used to have game night with Michael and David. Can you IMAGINE Bobby and Athena inviting Buck and Tommy over for dinner and game night??? I can. And I am so here for it!
Teams would absolutely be: Bobby and Buck. Athena and Tommy.
And let's face it. Athena sees Buck as Bobby's un-adopted son, so if Tommy makes Buck happy, Athena is good.
Karen
This one is interesting and maybe a tiny bit of a stretch, but I really believe that Tommy and Karen could connect through their interest for aviation/aerospace. She's a rocket scientist for crying out loud. He'd be like a little kid at the place where she works.
I also like to think that maybe, due to his childhood and being constantly between homes, he can help discuss the trauma that Mara might feel.
Maddie
I mean, the most important thing to her is that Tommy obviously makes her little brother happy and giddy. She wants to meet him, which is something I can't recall Buck or Maddie ever saying before about one of Buck's LI. Maybe Abby, but Buck was living in her apartment soooo... yeah.
I know Lou has revealed the backstory he has set up in his mind for Tommy and after saying his father was an alcoholic, I can't stop thinking that maybe little Tommy unfortunately experienced abuse from his father or witnessed it happening to his mom. Tommy, having a childhood connected to domestic violence, while not in the exact same way that Maddie experienced it, gives them something in common on a deeper level. An understanding of how important it is to accept love and open yourself up to the possibility.
Eddie
Eddie's friendship with Tommy is actually so interesting to me too because I have this crazy "invisible string" theory that includes him.(Platonically) But, moving on...
Clearly, they share a love of the same things. Muay Thai, watching fights, cars, Buck, basketball, the military.
For me, the military is their real connection because of Eddie's breakdown. No one else in Eddie's life can really understand what he's gone through and how it feels to maybe be the only one of your unit to survive. I'm pretty sure Tommy has already gone through therapy, and since Eddie had no one to reach out to with shared trauma like Frank suggested, he found that second chance in Tommy.
Buck
I mean... they connected lips and soon hearts. 🥺 Sooo....
Next question...
I really hope their relationship evolves in the cutest, sweetest, sometimes naughty, way!
I want to see nervousness. I want to see them learning things about each other. I want them to cuddle and laugh and go on double dates.
I want them to worry about the other one during a dangerous call or rush to each other at a moments notice.
I want to see them fall so in love with each other that I can sue ABC for giving me cavities from all the sweetness.
Having said that... I also want to see disagreements. Arguments and vulnerability and then the process of apologizing and making up.
So, basically, I want them to evolve into a healthy, stable, loving relationship.
And hell yeah! There will be a kiss on Thursday. I'd like to believe we'll see more than one just because of Oliver's interview, but for sure, we're getting one initiated by Buck and honestly I cannot fucking wait!!!!
I want him to stay forever, too. You're not alone 🩵
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You know what I think is absolutely precious about the kiss scene?
How when Tommy is opening up about being jealous, letting Buck into his insecurity, it’s the first time we’ve seen him falter since he came back. He scoffs and shakes his head when Buck tells him about how he was a part of the team, avoiding his eyes. He’s come so far, but there’ll always be that little part of him that wavers.
You know what it makes me think of?
Hen Begins.
And I’ll tell you why.
Remember asshole captain saying how Hen was a diversity hire?
Remember how Tommy had walked up to the railing with a big smile and it falling after the asshole spoke? Eyes going back and forth between them.
Remember him hugging himself during her speech?
In both cases, he was deeply unsure of his place. Hen was taking vitriol that could’ve been directed at him too and it wasn’t but he still felt its impact because it could’ve been. He was afraid and he was insecure.
In Buck’s loft, even though Tommy’s gotten a lot better and kinder with himself, he was openly admitting to feeling out of place and he’d never had someone accept him as easily into a family as Buck did in that moment.
Which makes his little surprised, “Yeah?” All that more special to me.
#he looked so excited that hen was joining the team#and then as soon as gerrard said that he just... deflated#oh so he has to fit in with the rest of the guys still cuz he doesnt want to be ostrasized too#its just so fascinating the acting choices made and how well they fit with the current season#it was like this was pre-planned even tho it wasn't#< prev tags#RIGHT#bucktommy#tevan#kinley#evan buckley#tommy kinard
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Tommy isn’t Bucks bi training wheels. There isn’t going to be any tacky infidelity plot lines, especially for a character who just accepted himself as bisexual. Tommy isn’t Ghostface. There’s no secret murder/revenge plot. He’s also not going to leave Buck because he’s the new bi boy in town and doesn’t have his degree in the University of Bisexual arts.
They’re boyfriends who will kiss and hold hands and hug a lot and get physically/romantically close and they’re gonna go on dates and have intimate conversations and flirt a lot and kiss some more and probably have hot firefighter and pilot sex. That’s all.
Get on board or get out of the way!!!!
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Shipping is fun and all but I swear every single time someone makes a comment, whether as a joke or in a legitimate analysis, about there being "no other explanation" for a pair's interactions, I lose just a bit more of my sanity
Like, no, you guys don't get it. Romance is not about the Amount of devotion, it's about the COLOR. the FLAVOR of it all. a character can be just as devoted to their platonic friend as they are to their romantic partner, and they don't love either of them more, just differently.
But because the majority of people still have it stuck in their minds that romance exists on the highest tier of love, I'm stuck seeing endless takes that boil down to "these two care about each other too much for it to NOT be romantic" as if that's the core determining factor to how literally any of this works
In conclusion: stop telling me that I don't understand the story if I don't interpret the leads as romantic, I am TIRED
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so the "would you be ok with bucktommy endgame" poll is going around right? and yesterday, i saw that someone reblogged it with these tags
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i don't know how many people think like this, but if you read this and you find it resonates with you, can i just give you some advice that hopefully won't come off as too condescending?
✨take a step back✨
just... go with it, ok?
rewatch some of the key "buddie" episodes without assuming that what you're watching is a slowburn queer relationship. just give it a go
this show isn't queerbaiting you. there are multiple CANONICAL fulfilling queer relationships on the show, multiple important queer characters and
i need you to understand that you are not entitled to canon!buddie just because people have written some stunning fanfic of eddie and buck being brilliant together
it's like everyone on the show has said: if the showcreators decide to go that way, it can happen. but currently, there is no slowburn buildup here.
try taking a step back?
also, can i recommend you check out @unfuckablebogtroll 's blog? for a different perspective and some excellent takes to what you're used to seeing?
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I hate the word but I want to see what other people think since you all seem to love it so much
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Does anyone else think that Tommy rehearsed what he wanted to say to Buck in the drive over to his loft?
Cause when Buck opens the door, Tommy seems a bit lost in thought to me. He's looking down at the floor. Telling himself that he's Tommy Kinard and he didn't do anything wrong but Eddie told him that something about Buck just seemed off lately and he feels bad because Buck loves the people in his life to the fucking extreme. He'd easily take a bullet for any of them, and he's even put himself in that position multiple times.
So, Tommy decides to stop by Buck's place before he has to go on shift because there's no way he can focus at work knowing Buck feels excluded.
And he has no idea what to say? "Sorry I stole your best friend and his son. I just wanted to feel a millisecond of that happiness you experience on the daily."
He expects to show up, apologize, and explain that he's not a threat and never would or could be.
And it's flowing. The conversation.
Tommy tells Buck that he just wanted to be part of that family atmosphere that the 118 have. Because that's the root of it, isn't it? To be around people who like you for exactly who you are? No expectations.
Tommy has never had that before.
Sure, the people at work include him, but it's a different type of inclusion. He doesn't know the names of their family members, he doesn't sit down with them for "family dinner" like Bobby does.
They are just coworkers. Nothing more.
But those four individuals that asked for his help that night?
They didn't hesitate once to save Bobby and his wife. No questions asked, no confirmation needed. All because someone didn't answer their phone.
Tommy can't help but feel a warm magnetism between them. A silent confirmation that, no matter what, they will always have each other's back at any given time.
And the people THEY love... they're included under that umbrella of certainty and that's where Tommy thinks he fucked up.
Because Buck is under everyone's umbrella.
So, he's honest. Tommy doesn't know how not to be. He tells Buck he was jealous of all those things, and maybe that played a part in how situations unfolded, but that was never directed at Buck.
And then...
Wait.
Buck tells Tommy that he asked for the tour because he wanted to get to know him. Tommy. Buck explains that this whole thing hasn't been him trying to win back his found family, but join them in including Tommy within their unit.
"... 'cause trying to get your attention has been kind of exhausting."
That's the jump start to Tommy's brain.
His attention? His?
"My attention?"
All this time, Tommy has been making the first move in the name of camaraderie. He invited Eddie to the fight. He invited him to trivia night.
But Buck was just trying to simply get Tommy to fucking look at him.
And now, in Buck's apartment, listening to Buck rambling about how he's not as cool as Eddie and how he understands why Tommy would prefer to hang out with Eddie...
Tommy sees him.
He acts on that magnetism he's felt from Buck since that first night. He thought, after speaking with Eddie, that it was full of resentment, but now, as he presses their lips together, Tommy thinks that, maybe, this could be something.
And he's ready to try.
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I am surprised I have yet to see anyone say it, but a part of me is not surprised the BOB’s are convinced about buddie eventually being endgame. We keep having oliver stark sort of give credence to the theory in his latest interviews. (Starting to think he needs to be quiet because yeah, he isn’t helping 😂)
and then we have the writing on the show itself.
The scene that stands out for me is buck with Maddie at her place. He seemed *more* upset that he lied to eddie about the bad date than being upset about the bad date itself. does that make sense? It was weird. its like the writers themselves are confused about buck and Eddie.
I think everyone is confused honestly and hence, we have the insanity that we keep seeing
Hmmmm, I’m gonna disagree on two points-
1. I don’t see Oliver’s answers to questions he is being asked as necessarily giving credence to any theories. Frankly the PR team should probably tighten up what questions are allowed to be asked, but for good or ill, Buddie gets clicks. The network is absolutely okay with using a portion of their audience that way. I think Oliver’s generally been not confirming any theories so much as re-examining things through the lens of his character now understand his bisexuality and saying he sees how things can be read that way. He also knows he’s not responsible for how people take that, and some of the chaos is probably coming from knowing it doesn’t really matter because unless he is ever actually approached with the storyline, it’s just spitballing. I think the problem with these interviews is less with him and more with the network/production team. But then again there’s no winning this game. If they talk, people take it as confirmation. If they keep quiet, people take it as confirmation. So if people people are just going to believe what they want anyway, why not capitalize?
2. The scene at Maddie’s house. It makes sense to me why Buck would be focusing on the lying to Eddie part, and it’s not romantic. First of all, unfortunately Buck is old hat at awkward and terrible first dates. He’s gotta be somewhat used to his curse by now, and having a cute guy tell him he’s adorable but not ready ranks nowhere near an emergency tracheotomy, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Damn, you win some you lose some, right?
Anyway, lying to Eddie is uncomfortable for him on a few fronts. The first is simply feeling bad about being dishonest to his best friend. (Personally, I maintain that it’s not lying if it’s not your business, and frankly it’s not really Eddie’s business if Buck wants to explore his sexuality and go on a date with a man, and Buck can tell or not tell people at his discretion. But I digress, it is in character for Buck to value this sort of up-front volunteering information honesty.)
Second, is the internal inconsistency that he’s discovered and is wrestling with- he’s an ally, he’s always been an ally, he’s totally in favor of The Gays, so it shouldn’t be a big deal right? Because there’s nothing wrong with it and he knows that so it shouldn’t be so hard to say, right? And if it’s no big deal and he hasn’t done anything wrong, then why is he so scared to say it? Why did he “lie” to his best friend about something he shouldn’t be freaked out by? He’s sort of minimized the importance of sexuality to a point that he can’t even explain to himself why he felt uncomfortable being seen before he was ready. (The answer is it that it is a little bit of a big deal actually and his understanding of himself and what his life might look like has shifted in a big way, and it’s okay to need some time to process that but this is Buck we’re talking about, he never wants to give himself time.)
Third, I think he feels like he’s betrayed his trust in Eddie by not immediately telling him. Because he knows (mostly) that Eddie also knows there’s nothing wrong with it, he’s never seen any evidence of homophobia from him, he’s like 99% certain that it would be okay, and he trusts Eddie with everything else, so why not this? I think he feels like he’s failing somehow as a friend, not giving Eddie his proper due, by having hesitations about coming out. (But the truth is it IS scary, even when you’re 99% sure, that 1% is terrifying. This isn’t about Eddie himself, exactly, it’s about Eddie’s importance in Buck’s life, the place and power he holds in Buck’s internal framework of self, and in Buck’s general happiness and enjoyment of life. A negative reaction from Eddie would be devastating. That 1% is powerful. It’s understandable that Buck, especially since he doesn’t fully understand himself yet, what to even say, would be leery. But he doesn’t understand that his fear is not about Eddie personally, so he feels like he’s disrespected him somehow by feeling any kind of hesitance.)
In this, I don’t think that the writers are confused about Buck and Eddie, so much as people have a hard time not equating that kind of (affection + trust + prominence) with a romantic relationship. I think the fandom hubbub has less to do with anything the show is doing, than it has to do with people having to wrestle with and perhaps adjust their own expectations, and people who refuse to consider alternatives. Sorry, anon, this may not have been the answer you were wanting, but it’s my genuine thoughts on it all! 🫶
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I just want Buck to have a relationship which he doesn’t rush into. Even if that isn’t Eddie. Oliver said Buck will get of the hamster wheel. But yet here he is, rushing into something with someone who shows him any romantic interest. 😩
fair enough if that’s how you see it, however I just don’t agree with the criticism that the relationship feels rushed.
obviously buck takes a big swing, but it’s not “you see me more than anyone else ever has, so come to my sisters wedding” it’s “I don’t know your coffee order yet, but I like you and I’d like to find out, here’s me proving I’m ready for that”. Something I think buck did need to do after their first date.
and yeah it’s a little heightened for the sake of drama, but tbh this is much closer to what real relationships look like. Most people don’t meet their partner via some epic 6yr+ long slow burn. They meet someone they like, who they start to get to know more and more until eventually they fall in love and build a life together.
That’s how dating works, it’s actually totally normal to be attracted to someone you’ve only been on one date with, that’s why you go on a second one.
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I think the major mistake some are making is thinking of Buck & Eddie as a “slow-burn” that the show has been intentionally building for years, and therefore seeing bucktommy (both its existence and it’s relative popularity as a ship) as a betrayal. But there’s really little evidence of that. When you take a step back and try to view it objectively, try to take things at mostly face value… there’s a reason the larger general audience didn’t catch on. There’s a reason that Bi Buck came as a surprise to so many.
Watch the show with just some average person who doesn’t spend a lot of time online in predominantly fandom based spaces, who hasn’t trained themselves to look for “subtext” and “parallels” in everything. Don’t influence them first. Chances are, they’re not going to see it. And that’s because it was never really intentional. They wrote and acted this knowing some people might read it a certain way, and that’s okay, but it wasn’t the message they were actively trying to send to the average viewer.
It’s not a secret code that only the very smart and attentive will crack. It’s a network procedural that regularly forgets the passage of time and is always scrambling to figure out the story details and swapping out scenes because they’re short on one and not the other. They regularly write backwards from the conclusion because they’re disorganized and not great at time management. It’s actually the perfect set of circumstances to create a large active online fanbase, because of emotional stories and the human nature drive to correct for logical inconsistencies.
Fandom tends to extend credit where not due in some areas, and then exact payment they were never promised in others. It’s a bit like winning the jackpot- it’s a nice idea but you have to know the odds are against you, so pinning all your hopes on the Powerball is probably not a great idea. Someone else winning doesn’t mean anything was taken from you. No one made you buy that ticket or promised you a thing. You can’t be mad at the guy on the news calling out the numbers, or the cashier who sold you a ticket because they said “good luck!” to be nice.
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I have to talk about this scene once again because I feel like there is so much to say.
What Buck meant when he said it was "exhausting":
First he asked Tommy for a tour because he wanted to get to know him better (his words, not mine).
At the end of the tour Buck asked Tommy out but it didn't work out ( Eddie arrived and Tommy left with him).
Instead of asking him out on another day or calling him, Buck did the most Buck thing ever by trying to find roundabout ways of seeing him again.
First, he tried the easy way, by trying to join Trivia night when Eddie mentionned he was seeing Tommy again, but Eddie asked him to babysit Chris instead.
So he went for a different approach by trying to get Eddie to invite him to the basketball game.
When that didn't work out, he got Chimney to invite him.
That's why Buck said that trying to get Tommy's was "exhausting", because it was. He set up so many ploys to get to spend time with Tommy and none of them worked.
That's also why Tommy is surprised, because he didn't see all the nonsense Buck was pulling to get to see him. Tommy really thought this was about Eddie and Buck being afraid of losing his friend.
But if Buck had been trying to spend time with Eddie, all he had to do was ask.... they hang out all the time. The only times Buck is actively trying to join Eddie's plans is when he know Tommy will be joining.
Buck never behaved like he did when Eddie had plans with other people than Tommy.
I can't even blame Buck because this is exactly how I act when I have a crush😂
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