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The main reason I usually default to lesbian Chloe is because her interest in guys often seems extremely artificial and performative.
Its like if a guy performs traditional masculinity so intently that it ends up coming off as insincere. The same sort of thing tends to apply to Chloe with my reads.
Especially because her rather awkward, both too extreme, and yet very at a distance 'flirting' attempts on guys can be contrasted against her much more affectionate manner with Ladybug. Which seems to lack the same sort of language, both verbal and body, that comes out with guys.
Plus there's the fact she only ever seems to express an aesthetic appreciation (Luka), a weirdly oscillating mix of formality and performative gestures at a distant target (Ali), or otherwise seems to 'pursue' a guy who is seemingly profoundly disinterested, (Adrien).
Plus like, I tend to assume that if she wanted Adrien as a boyfriend she probably could have swung that before school was even a thing. She was literally his only friend and company, the idea she never even tried seems odd if she was truly super interesting.
Plus, when fear regarding her relationship with Adrien comes up its rooted in the friendship over a potentially lost lover. The times she does lean on the idea of Adrien being her BF, tend to be more implied and usually used for a bit of social clout before being forgotten just as quickly.
It all really adds to the feeling her interest is, either consciously or subconsciously performative. More about playing a role than it is something she's genuine about.
Oh yeah absolutely!
Chloé's supposed romantic interests are in like. Safe people. Adrien is her friend and she wouldn't mind marrying him but she knows he won't return any feelings like that. While she has connections to be able to meet various celebrities, from popular-but-quickly-irrelevant idols like XY or someone genuinely influential like Ali, they're also not really people that there's hope for a proper relationship with, so they're also 'safe' for her to show interest in.
I think the thing about Chloé's seeming to be a lesbian is mostly in the way that she repeats her parents' relationship dynamic with her most obvious relationships: Sabrina and Ladybug.
Sabrina is the more obvious one because here, Chloé is playing Audrey while Sabrina plays Andre. The demanding, the devotion, the verbal abuse mixed in with genuine affection, the cold shoulder when she does something 'wrong', etc.
With Ladybug, it flips. Chloé is fawning. She's doing anything and everything to please Ladybug. To make her like her. And falls into despair when she 'fails'.
These are things she doesn't really do with the males she's showing affection with.
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I just recently saw some asks you were given about Chloé Burgeois and they made me curious. I know that you like her earlier portrayal, but what do you think of her in later seasons? Personally, I have come to at least appreciate what I think the show was trying to do, execution aside. Chloe was like Ramses in the prince of Egypt: Just because they had sympathetic traits and backstory doesn't mean that they would get better. They doubled down at almost every opportunity until it was too late.
I can kinda see where they might have been going with that, it just doesn't work so well with Chloe, because well, Chloe's a kid, not an adult, and the ones who ultimately enabled or abused her, her parents, got lesser "punishments" than she did.
I've seen the kind of storyline you're talking about work, specifically with Simon from Infinity Train. But in that case, there hadn't been any higher authority figure guiding or enabling his actions for a very long time, he'd BEEN the highest authority figure around for years now, so there wasn't really anyone else who could be blamed for sending Simon down the path he was on, or for not stopping him from going down that path (Grace was about his age and had about the same amount of power as him). Also, notably, Simon was 18, so he was technically an adult at the point when he went off the deep end.
So yeah. That kind of storyline CAN work and be very compelling (hell from what I know of it, that's Walter White's storyline in Breaking Bad), but with the specific circumstances set up for Chloe in Miraculous, the execution doesn't work.
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They're checking your insta to make fun of your outfits.
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Measure of a male character: does the cynical lesbian like him
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Chloe Noir first kiss 🤭
Based on "Chloé Noir" fanfic by @jajalala
Prev / Sketch
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Chloé in parallel universe.
Shall I do Luka too?
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I am no longer annoyed I bought the PC version recently, woo!
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VOICE ACTING?
DIFFICULTY LEVELS?
ENDLESS MODE?
THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THIS GAME NEEDED
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VOICE ACTING?
DIFFICULTY LEVELS?
ENDLESS MODE?
THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THIS GAME NEEDED
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I know folks are loving the 'Gabriel had the ring, Adrien can talk to his father' angst, bitit I think they are sleeping on the other half of *really* sweet toxic angst.
He had the Ladybug too.
Marinette already propagated Gabriel's 'Big Lie' in the heat of the moment. She knows how to contact a previous holder *and* that he had the Ladybug. It starts innocently. She just wants to find something to prove the 'All the times I was a good father' line. She needs reassurance.
Gabriel however is a supremely manipulative asshole.
He's there with all the right words and reassurances. He has ready advice for Adrien at first, then other things. The show has already dropped parallels for them, only one is a grown asx man and the other a teen under crushing responsibility. Listening to advice...it makes it all so easy...
For sci-fi geeks a Dune reference: Alya(no not Cesaire) and the Baron Harkonen.
Gabriel manipulating things from beyond the grave. Marinette's savior complex dragging her under once again. Write your own ending but the path is covered with broken glass and regret.
#miraculous ladybug#marinette dupain-cheng#gabriel agreste#that's a plotbunny#do we still use that term
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…I wonder how the commonality of non-canon ML ships differs in G & T versus M & E rated AO3 fics?
Time to dig. Some ground rules:
I’ll pull my data logged in, since that’ll get archive locked works. For these purposes I’ll include Nathmarc and Julerose as canon, because what I’m really interested in here is ships with less direct grounding in canon. I’ll judge G & T as a set and M, E, and NR as another. If E and M have substantially different stats, I’ll post them separately. The tag to block for this is “Kat goes stathunting.”
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ML Fandon Week - Day 3: Love Square
｡ﾟ(ﾟ∩´﹏`∩ﾟ)ﾟ｡ Too pure….
#miraculous ladybug#marinette dupain-cheng#adrien agreste#i like love square images like this#this is technically#ladrien
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