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How delicious the Venom Lethal Protector II comic looks... I mean, how great it looks.😳❤️😏
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You know what, fuck you. *Romanticizes the monstrous in a way that is deeply compelling to people who feel they've been ostracized from mainstream society in one way or another, and also at least a little bit horny*
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as weird as it is to say, after looking at the stuff about Spiderverse 2 possibly having the love triangle bullshit, I feel like the Venom movies actually did the whole 'love triangle' pretty well by making Dan into a genuinely nice person. Even if they did it accidentally, lmao.
It wasn't a bullshit dick measuring contest between two guys fighting to "win" the pretty girl. You felt bad for Eddie, of course, but they made it very clear it was his fucking fault things fell apart. So you have LESS sympathy for him going into it than normal romance plots where the "good guy" didnt do anything wrong. And then they introduced Dan and he was polite, he was nice, and he went out of his way to help Eddie. His girlfriend's ex. Instead of the new love being boring or a huge piece of shot like other movies do with the new boyfriend. It was only ever a triangle in the loosest sense, because after a little while you're noticing that there is no fighting or arguing going on and Anne isn't being treated like some trophy that either of them need to win. The second movie has some fights between the guys, but most of that is the growing pains between Eddie and the Venom symbiote manifesting. Eddie and Venom lash out because they want things to be good for THEM and they're still figuring out what that means.
Its weird for me to say it. But Spiderverse could take notes from the Venom series.
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⚠️ SPOILERS for Venom issues #164 and #165 (the 2016 to 2018 comics in general), Venom: The First Host, and the Venom comics in general. ⚠️
Incoming mini-essay! (TL;DR - Sleeper is the manifestation of everything I love about Venom as a comic series, Eddie and the Symbiote are top tier parents, and Spider-Woman is fucking awesome.)
Okay so, I know everyone jokes about issues 164 and 165 because “wow omg Eddie Brock is pregnant.” However, I feel like there isn’t a lot of discussion (that I’ve seen) around how Eddie and the Symbiote handled raising Sleeper because it reveals a lot about their growth up until that point.
It’s been previously established that the Symbiote has been through multiple abusive relationships in the past. The only people who have treated it relatively well as a host are Flash Thompson and, obviously, Eddie Brock. However, even in those relationships we see that it struggles with unhealthy tendencies. The most obvious being just hiding things to protect itself, which it has developed mostly as a coping mechanism (although sometimes it's just used as an easy way to create drama instead of as a sign of its trauma; the downside of having so many different people creating different comic arcs). Beyond itself, it has also seen all of it's children--Carnage, Riot, Lasher, Phage, Agony, and Scream--become incredibly violent in the hands of their hosts.
Because of this, it rightfully fears the idea of having any more children and seeing them become either like itself or its siblings. Comic issues #164 and #165 entirely focus on this idea because the Symbiote is going to spawn soon. Of course, usual Venom shenanigans ensue; people try to kidnap Eddie and the Symbiote, they escape, etc. But what's important is two things: 1) the Symbiote's dreams for the baby, and 2) we get to see Spider-Woman kick absolute ass.
In issue #165, we get these panels:
“It's true Eddie. Didn’t want my baby to be another monster. Wanted it to be a hero. A hero like you. Like Venom.”
I feel Eddie had a right to be upset at this point in time--what with not being told that your significant other is literally going to give birth--but he also doesn't at all slack on getting the Symbiote what it needs next. A quick run to Alchemax later, and they are able to (with some complications) deliver the new symbiote. They decide they will raise it separate from a host within the lab, Eddie and the Symbiote carefully watching over it's growth. Their main goal is to prepare it for a host, so hopefully it won't join its siblings.
Also (sort of a side rant) but I really want to emphasize how much I love Spider-Woman in this scenario. She, like a lot of people in Venom comic history, initially tries to attack Venom. However, upon learning that the Symbiote is pregnant, and seeing it's side of things, she promptly leaves them alone. On top of that, she steps in to rescue them, even when it wasn't necessary to do so. I don't know, I just really appreciate seeing her here. She rocks, and this also means she's one of the few characters who actually understands the relationship Eddie and the Symbiote have (and she doesn't want to destroy it).
"It's beautiful, Eddie."
"It is."
I really loves this for a lot of reasons. Mostly because I'm weak to good parenting in stories, but I really want to emphasize how important it is that they're trying so hard. Eddie and the Symbiote have both been constantly fighting and internal and external struggle against the idea that they are a monster. Their mistakes have defined both of their lives. After a lot of trial and error--being broken up and reuniting again and again--that they are now taking steps to improve not only their relationship, but their overall lives and the life of their new kid.
And their new kid is absolutely overpowered. Sleeper is probably my favorite character in Venom history by a longshot. Sleeper is calm, cool, and collected, AND they're strong as hell. We get to see all of that and more displayed in Venom: First Host.
For those who haven't read it, the gist of this arc is that the Symbiote's first host--a Kree--is on a mission to find it again, along with a Skrull. Meanwhile, on Earth, Eddie and the Symbiote are trying to raise their baby in peace. They save the Kree from the Skrull, who then asks the Symbiote to return with him. It, of course, declines. And then the Kree goes absolutely nuts and tries to steal their kid so they're forced to make a sacrifice: the Symbiote goes with the Kree.
"If that is your choice...I honor it. You have my envy, Brock. You must be a great man."
"No. Not great. But together we make something...more."
Stuff ensues. Eddie has to go on a rescue mission with the Skrull from before to save the Symbiote; and his kid is more than ready to help. Which, is awesome, because Sleeper is OP. They have the ability to camouflage themselves, secrete a pheromone that confuses the senses of those around them, AND can live with a dead host (they lobotomize the Kree guy and use his body to go have adventures after Eddie and the Symbiote reunite. All of this is awesome, but the only part I truly wish to highlight to you is this:
"We wanted better for you."
"And I'll have it. This body is strong. There are depths of knowledge and memories in this mind. Worlds. Galaxies. I've been kept in a cage my whole life. There's so much to see out there. And I will see it. I know you did your best, father. But I don't need a cage anymore."
Sleeper has grown up; Sleeper is free. Thanks to Eddie and the Symbiote's efforts, Sleeper is their own individual. It's hard for them to accept their child leaving, but it's alright. Not only because Sleeper returns to them in the next couple of arcs anyways, but because they succeeded. While they had hoped that Sleeper would end up with a good host, they've instead given Sleeper the tools to be free on their own. They don't need to rely on a host's whims to be a hero, to be good.
It's powerful, and I love it. It's so compelling to see these character who have had such a difficult time finding themselves, finding their place in the world, raise such a strong and good individual. Sleeper goes on to be a vital asset in the King in Black arc (which I have words for, but I appreciate Sleeper's role in it) as well as a good big sibling to his human brother.
I can't even fully articulate how much I love this entire arc, just that it's the encapsulation of everything I really love about Venom. We get romance, we get parenthood, we get growth, we get all the good shit. I love it. Anyways, I'll leave you with that. I just wanted to share some of my many (many) thoughts about these comics.
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"... and eddie brock arrived late for work that day."
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“Yeah. It’s a hundred percent a love story. I mean, it opens up with: ‘This is a love story’, y’know.”
- Tom Hardy on “Venom: Let There Be Carnage”
Compare with:
Venom (2016-2018) Issue #150
This has me SO EXCITED.
If this is the comic run they’re heavily borrowing from to adapt, I’m going to lose all of my marbles.
Like… if they are taking parts of the QUEEREST Venom run in the comics I’m going to lose my mind LIKE, TRY AND TELL ME THAT’S NOT INTENDED TO BE THE SAME WINDOW???
The window that keeps being shown whenever they talk about it being like THEY WERE MARRIED?
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🕯️ manifesting a scene in Venom 3 where Eddie’s sleeping and Venom’s hand manifests outside of his to hold it and they’re holding hands while he sleeps andejdoenslandodncldcnfjdkdnekesjdbxjdj 🕯️
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If Venom producers just accept the fact that the franchise belongs to monsterfuckers and stop trying to haphazardly please dudebros as well, Venom will be phenomenal. they're playing both sides.
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