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Melody Mogai Sys Stuff
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As if traumagenic isn’t an actual medical term used for a number of disorders caused by trauma
As if endogenic wasn’t originally a medical term used to call DID fake
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Who is TPA?
Oh BOY
Let's talk about The Plural Association and the stronghold system
They're responsible for this horrible piece of trash
And this one
And this
Sigh, and this
Here's some best of
They don't know what they're talking about but endos don't care
They consider themselves to be better than everyone because they're uneducated???
They really just say whatever comes to their mind, no matter how ridiculous
I'm convinced they're going to get people killed
In regards to the whole "people vs parts" thing, they're responsible for this piece of absolute trash
??? That's not how you do DID awareness
And that's just a taste
I hate them 🤗
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Why ‘Tulpamancy’ Is Racist
Here’s a reminder that using the term ‘tulpa’/’tulpamancer’ is racist. It is a term stolen from a closed religion, (Tibetan Buddhism), that got bastardized, and ‘western tulpamancy’ as a movement was widely popularized by 4chan and the My Little Pony community of all places. The original term is ‘sprul-pa’ and refers to something completely different than what western ‘tulpamancy’ is.
Inb4 someone who’s not a Tibetan Buddhist comes onto this post and says that it’s not racist, I have to ask you, what makes you feel so entitled to speak over the only person claiming to be a Tibetan Buddhist in this discussion? While I am not one myself, what’s linked there is a carrd made by someone who appears to be a Tibetan Buddhist, and they talk about why the term ‘tulpa’ is a racist and culturally appropriative term to use. They’re not even trying to speak out against endogenic systems, they’re simply trying to say that you should use another term, and luckily for you, those terms already exist.
Other words you can use instead are ‘thoughtform’, ‘parogenic’ or ‘willogenic’, all of which describe something very similar to ‘tulpamancy’; the intentional creation of a headmate through things such as meditation. And the great thing about language is that if you don’t like any of these terms for whatever reason, you can just coin new ones that also don’t relate to ‘tulpa’ or ‘tulpamancy’.
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All of this is so fucking pointless. The DSM-5 was not written about endogenic systems. It was not written with endogenic plurality in mind.
I cannot wait for a future DSM that puts y’all in it, either as an official diagnosis, or as an exclusion to DID. Then maybe some of y’all will shut the fuck up about my disorder and stay in your lane.
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this ^^
especially if you aren’t trans
If your pro-endo, you don't get to decide if sysmed is transphobic or not. Because it isn't being used against you <3
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Terms the Endo Community Stolen
This might be a series. We don’t know a lot of terms but if you know some you can request, dm, or comment the term to have it posted.
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Sysmed: term was stolen from transmed which means “short for transmedicalist, refers to trans people who believe that dysphoria is required to identify as transgender.”
Traumascum: term was stolen from truscum which means “A queer individual that holds the belief that you require gender dysphoria to identify as transgender”.
System Hopping: an original term for polyfragmented systems/systems who experienced RAMCOA. The original meaning is hopping to side/sub systems in the same systems mind. (The endo meaning can and will most likely be used as a manipulation and gaslighting tactic as alters cannot leave one’s mind to go into someone else’s mind)
Tulpa: a closed Buddhism practice. The original is the following (please correct us if we are wrong those who are Buddhist, we are using Google for this information): a term that originates in Tibetan and Indian Buddhism. In ancient teachings it was used as a practice to show that the world around us exists as an illusion, and that the student could not trust what their senses perceived. The modern interpretation is that of a consciousness that exists parallel to your own inside your mind.
They can’t even make up their own terms they have to steal it from other people
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Hey, everyone. This would have been a reply, but I refuse to give the OP notes due to the type of person that they are. Not to mention I’d just get triggered and yell at them and I’m not here for that anymore.
Anyway, on to the post.
Disordered doesn’t mean broken.
I’ve seen countless other anti-endos try to drill the fact to the wall that we are not broken just because we are disordered, and that just because we say “we have a disorder,” “we have been hurt,” “we are survivors,” “we are in pain,” you do not get to put words in our mouths and call us broken for us. You do not get to say that we are less than you because of what we have survived.
We are the opposite of broken. We have been hurt and abused and ignored but we still function and we still continue. We still exist, traumatized and demonized as we are not only by our abusers, but by society, by people like you who say these things. Whether you like it or not. We’re not broken because we’ve had to make do with what we had. And we’re certainly not broken because we did an amazing goddamn job of it.
Do not call me broken.
My therapist and any other therapist who treats DID would say and has said the same things to their patients over and over and over in an effort to erase what society has and what you have taught us. It hurts us to see ourselves as broken because we are not. It hurts us to see ourselves as broken because it is demotivating. It makes us feel as if we are less than those who “aren’t”. And it’s not fucking true.
And we aren’t even the ones pushing it. The one that is making us believe we are broken and that is calling us broken and being horrifically fucking cruel and ableist is you.
You say nothing about us —the ones who have survived, and the ones who have been hurt, and the ones who have seen what you can’t imagine, and the ones who have done exactly what is normal and natural for us to do in response to that harm— by calling us broken and treating us as lesser. You speak volumes about yourselves and the type of people you are.
To those who may not have been as lucky to be able to get help and erase these incorrect ideas drilled into you by society and people like this: You are not broken. You are beautiful, and you are a survivor. You did exactly what you should have done and became exactly who you were supposed to become, despite everything, and you’re still growing and healing and there’s still so much more for you out there. You needed help that you couldn’t get from the outside, so you made it yourself. That’s pretty impressive. And it’s also normal and natural for what you’ve been through. I’m proud of you. You should be, too.
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Endos keep talking about how bad and evil the "sysmeds" are and how horrible we are but lemme tell you they are so much worse themselves.
We were in endo spaces before we realized our trauma and educated ourselves properly. Because that was the problem. Nobody in endo spaces educates. Nobody. There was no information on dissociation, amnesia, the stuff that makes these disorders disordered. It was all about the "fun" parts. About the "friends in your head".
And it's disgusting.
This kills people, purely because it causes real dissociative systems to dismiss their trauma and symptoms, because they're not allowed to exist. Anytime we wanted to talk about serious stuff, we were cut off because it was "negative" and "hurting the good and pure endo community". So we thought it was fine, we ignored it and just put it away. That community seemed so nice but it was so dangerous.
That's the actual harmful shit right there. The complete anti-recovery mindset that is keeping real systems from healing. The mindset that causes real systems to get indoctrinated and harm others. I'm so glad we got out of that abusive shithole.
Endos will keep talking about how abusive and bad the disordered ones are but they are so so much worse. And it's a cycle as well, it's a cycle of abuse in there.
Anti endos are not the bad guys here.
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People who say you need prolonged childhood trauma to have a system are not asking you to reveal or discuss your trauma. They are merely saying that you need to have childhood complex post traumatic stress disorder in order to have a system. You need to experience C-PTSD symptoms to be a system. That involves nightmares, emotional flashbacks, difficulty processing reality, emotionally shutting down and depression.
DID/OSDD-1+ is a complicated disorder comprised of many symptoms and related disorders, C-PTSD is one of those things. Traumatic shock is what makes dissociative disorders, the freeze survival mechanism makes systems. It's being unable to physically run away or fight so you play dead and emotionally run away, usually resulting in repression.
No one is asking you to reveal your trauma, we're just asking you to accept or understand the source of your symptoms.
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Oo Oo I want to talk about headaches too!
You hit your head and experience head pain, dizziness, etc etc. you say “I’m probably fine.” You talk to your friend who has chronic headaches without head trauma. They say “hey uh that sounds like head trauma?” You go to the doctor and are diagnosed with a concussion. Further investigation reveals an internal bleed, which you receive medical care for. Your life is saved because you take care of yourself as per your diagnosis, and how you take care of yourself looks different from how your friend with chronic headaches does.
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You hit your head and experience head pain, dizziness, etc etc. you say “I’m probably fine.” You talk to your friend who has chronic headaches without head trauma. They say “that reminds me of my headaches! Here’s how I help my headaches.” You do what your friend says. You eventually die from the internal bleed. Woops!
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You hit your head and experience head pain, dizziness, etc etc. you say “fuck I think I have a concussion.” You talk to your friend who has chronic headaches without head trauma. They say “that reminds me of my headaches! Here’s how I help my headaches.”
“That’s cool for you, but I’m worried I have a concussion.”
“They’re both headaches - you’ll be fine.”
“I really think I should go to a doctor?”
“The doctor won’t listen to you.”
You eventually die from the internal bleed. Woops!
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You hit your head and experience head pain, dizziness, etc etc. you say “fuck I think I have a concussion.” You talk to your friend who has chronic headaches without head trauma. They say “that reminds me of my headaches! Here’s how I help my headaches.”
“That’s cool for you, but I’m worried I have a concussion.”
“Oh shit, you should go to a doctor. My friend says this guy did well for their concussion.”
You go to the doctor your friend recommended. Further investigation reveals an internal bleed, which you receive medical care for. Your life is saved because you take care of yourself as per your diagnosis, and how you take care of yourself looks different from how your friend with chronic headaches does.
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You experience chronic head pain, despite having never hit your head. You say “fuck what’s going on?” You go to your friend who you know had a concussion recently. They say “that sounds like chronic headaches - I researched them when I got my concussion. Here’s some resources.” Your life is made better.
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You experience chronic head pain, despite having never hit your head. You say “fuck what’s going on?” You go to your friend who you know had a concussion recently. They say “that sounds like a concussion.”
“But I never hit my head?”
“Let me ask you a few questions about that. It’s possible you just don’t remember hitting your head.” After a conversation that is likely frustrating and potentially increasingly painful, you discover you hit your head. You have a concussion.
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You experience chronic head pain, despite having never hit your head. You say “fuck what’s going on?” You go to your friend who you know had a concussion recently. They say “that sounds like a concussion.”
“But I never hit my head?”
“Let me ask you a few questions about that. It’s possible you just don’t remember hitting your head.” After a conversation that is likely frustrating and potentially increasingly painful, you still have no evidence that you hit your head. You still have a very bad headache, and one less friend, because they’re an asshole.
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You experience chronic head pain, despite having never hit your head. You say “Oh my god, I must have a concussion.” You go to your friend who you know had a concussion recently. They say “that sounds like a chronic headache.”
“But it’s exactly what you experience!”
“No it’s not? I experience xyz, and you experience abz.”
“We both experience z!”
“But that doesn’t make it a concussion.”
“You’re just being a headache exclusionist!”
You have chronic headaches and -1 friend because you’re an asshole.
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Does that make sense?
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ngl your cluster headache analogy is kinda confusing since I wouldn’t describe them as excruciating pain
- written by someone who’s been diagnosed with cluster headaches by my Ophthalmologist
What are you on about
You would be the first person to ever say this
Many commit suicide, they're so painful
They're literally known as suicide headaches
You've also completely missed the point-- that it's not the same as a normal headaches, not everyone experiences them, and people with normal headaches and migraines shouldn't lump cluster headaches into their over-the-top positivity and push misinformation about them being totally normal headaches, assuming they're the same thing, and getting pissed when people with cluster headaches say they want their own spaces for their unique experiences because they're NOT the same
Why even send this ask
What was the point
"it's not debilitating for me"
Okay?? Pulling a full-on endo move, there, aren't you
And DID isn't debilitating for me, currently, but I still understand that it can be and that it's different from normal experiences and expressions of the self, I certainly wouldn't go in anyone's inbox and be like, "okay, but not everyone"
Do you feel better having pointed out how special you are for
-squints at smudged hand-
Not being in as much pain as the vast majority of people with cluster headaches, and actually PROVING my point about the behaviour of endogenics and the pro endo community?
#miserablyDID/OSDD
Thank you for your addition
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Some endo info for all of you!
https://endogenic-research.carrd.co/
Debunking Sysmed Claims (debunking-sysmeds.carrd.co)
Thank you and have a good day no matter your system origin
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If you’re going to make up stories...
At least… fact check yourself? I don’t know. It seems I’m in a pissy mood today.
SO. Say it with me.
There are no medications for DID.
There are no medications for DID.
There are no medications for DID.
There are no medications for DID.
There are no medications for DID.
Let’s just… break this entire mess of a post down, bit by bit. Let’s start with the ask in question.
The daughter this person is talking about is 6 years old. Apparently 4 doctors want to commit and drug a 6 year old for being “plural”, and want to put her on “DID medication”.
The link in question was to http://healthymultiplicity.com/.
My head already hurts.
My heart is heavy with how ridiculous this entire made-up situation is.
Let’s look at the answer to the ask.
“Make things harder for her” is a little bit of an understatement, jesus christ.
“Therapy school”
Therapy school.
PRACTICING THERAPIST STILL IN THERAPY SCHOOL.
This is not how things work at ALL lmao– you have to be licensed before you can practice, you have to graduate before you can be licensed, and there’s no such thing as “therapy school”, there’s no degree in “therapy”. You can get degrees in psychology, social work, but pretty much any bachelors of arts or science can set you on the path to become a therapist– THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF DEGREES YOU START WITH, but there is not a “therapy” degree or “therapist school”.
Please don’t write this book.
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I looked up the meaning of the word “endogenic” because I was kind of wondering where the word came from and its original meaning. I know that words can have multiple definitions, but the one in the screenshot below, is the only one I found for the word “endogenic.” I checked other dictionaries and sites, but this is the only one that showed up. Is it because “endo” mean’s roughly “from within”?
Idk its a dumb name for a dumb idea.
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it takes a simple google search to find research proving trans people's existence, unfortunately, you are simple-minded
it takes a simple google search to prove DID is a very rare disorder caused by severe specific cases of childhood trauma
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Seeing sysmeds/exclusionists/etc say “systems without trauma is like saying PTSD without trauma!” inspires us to bring this thread over from Twitter.
Ignoring the fact that nontraumagenic does NOT mean “a system without trauma”… “System” and “plurality” aren’t diagnosable disorders, whereas PTSD literally is and also has “traumatic” right on the tin. It’s far more accurate to say “systems that don’t form from trauma are like a headache without a concussion”.
You wake up one day with a headache. You know you didn’t hit your head. You’re not coming down with a cold, and you’re both hydrated and appropriately fed. You’re not even especially stressed out. But you definitely have a headache.
You’re on a phone call with a friend. You mention that you have a headache. “Do you have a concussion?” your friend demands. No, you explain, you don’t. They get angry. “Then I don’t see why you’d have a headache. You should see a doctor if you actually have a headache."
You leave the conversation frustrated. Maybe scared. So you go to a doctor, if you have a doctor, and talk to them about it. Maybe your doctor listens, and offers testing. Maybe your doctor looks at you strangely and says headaches don’t exist. Let’s say you’re lucky:
You get testing. It shows no obvious reason for your headache. "Well, headaches usually have a cause, some are caused by trauma or illness, but some are idiopathic,” your doctor explains and sends you on your way. Maybe with advice on managing headaches better, maybe not. The headaches don’t go away.
It’s always just kind of there. You do your research, and figure out that your headache is from stress, or from chronic dehydration, or bright lights, or because you’re just prone to migraines, or you’ve got a vitamin deficiency. Maybe you don’t discover any reason. But you know it isn’t a concussion. Still, it affects you. Some days, you need accommodations to make the day easier for you and those around you. You talk to people you know about the headaches, so they’re aware of your situation. Some are supportive, and accept it. But some aren’t, and don’t.
“Surely there’s a reason.”
“People don’t just get headaches.”
“You should feel lucky it’s not serious.”
“You’re just trying to get attention.”
“I have headaches. They don’t work that way.”
No matter how much you explain, some just don’t accept that you really have a headache. Some insist you must actually have a concussion, or brain damage, even if you know that’s not what’s causing the headaches. They keep insisting that without trauma, or an illness, you can’t have a headache. They suggest that maybe you don’t remember hitting your head. “But I talked to my doctor,” you protest. “I did research on my own. Headaches can happen other ways. There’s even words for it."
At best, they ignore you. At worst, they accuse you of lying, or taking up space that belongs to people who really have headaches. You find community with those who believe you, and experience similar headaches.
You’re thankful to finally have support. These people believe you, help you, and some become close friends. You try to stick to this community, where you feel safe. Sometimes people still barge in to say your headaches are fake, and you’re harming those with real headaches, or taking resources away from people who have concussions.
Maybe you learn to deal with it, maybe not. You don’t stop having headaches. No matter how many insist you must have a concussion, or a disorder, or an illness. No matter how many insist you’re pretending to have a headache for attention.
This is how it is living as a system who exists outside of the narrow, all-systems-are-traumagenic-with-DID/OSDD box. And the sysmeds/exclusionists shitting on people outside that box? Are as ridiculous as the people in the analogy.
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