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I hate when you love a character who’s like a kid or a teenager and they so perfectly capture the flaws and struggles of being that age and not understanding everything fully yet or necessarily making the best choices especially when they’re in a very painful or complex situation and they feel so real and human because of it and then you go online and there’s someone who’s like “they’re DUMB and EVIL and SELFISH because of [important moment in their character arc when they messed up and learned from it or broke under pressure or didn’t have the courage to do an incredibly difficult thing or responded realistically to their truly horrifying circumstances]”
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Do you think petunia dursley deserve redemption?
Now a days many people say she was manipulated by Vernon or James insulted her( she saw james in harry) and they try to excuse her actions because she was woman.
After the war Petunia will divorce Vernon and harry will forgive her. They even say Petunia secretly always cared about Harry.
Please share your thoughts(only if you have time/want to ofcourse)
Thank you
I think young Petunia is a character it's easy to feel compassion for.
I can't really blame her for not wanting Lily around or not wanting anything to do with magic.
As a child, she is quite close to her younger sister and she has to witness that younger sister all of a sudden going on an adventure without her because her sister has magic and Petunia doesn't.
I dare anyone to not feel resentful and envious in that situation.
And the fact that she is the older sister makes it worse because when Lily goes to Hogwarts they are still in that age where the younger sibling tends to admire and still wants to follow the older and out of the blue that dynamic radically changes.
When in DH we find out that Petunia sent a letter to Dumbledore asking to go to Hogwarts, my heart absolutely breaks for her every single time I re-read it.
And then when Lily enters the wizarding world, Petunia is left to her normal life, which is probably not that great. The Evanses aren't poor but they are definitely not rich. And she is still very much a girl in the 70s, not as bad as the 30s but not as good as today. All of this is to say that she is not left in a situation of privilege and luxury and therefore has nothing to complain about.
Petunia is also left to deal with lying to protect Lily's secret, probably having to say something about how she was sent to some special school for very talented kids, therefore having to make herself appear as the stupid sister. And so everyone would be super curious about this brilliant sister of Petunia, forcing her to live in Lily's shadow even outside of the house and with Lily in Scotland. It's also implied that Lily is the beautiful sister, which I'm sure doesn't help Petunia's resentment. It writes itself a scene from a summer in 1976, where Petunia's friends are eager to meet/see again her beautiful brilliant sister, and Petunia dies of envy.
It's true that Lily enters a world in which as a muggle-born she is subjected to discrimination but I doubt Petunia knew much about it:
Even though Petunia was raised alongside a witch, she is remarkably ignorant about magic.
- from Vernon and Petunia Dursley by JK Rowling
Then Lily ends up marrying James Potter, rich, athletic, and good-looking. While Petunia marries Vernon. Tell me you wouldn't hate Lily even more. Lily marrying a wizard so soon after Hogwarts also adds to the separation of the two sisters into two different worlds. Other factors are the war in the wizarding world and the death of their parents.
And speaking of the devil, Petunia seems also resentful towards her parents for showing, according to her, a preference for Lily:
I was the only one who saw her for what she was -- a freak! But for my mother and father, oh no, it was Lily this and Lily that, they were proud of having a witch in the family!"
She stopped to draw a deep breath and then went ranting on. It seemed she had been wanting to say all this for years.
-Chapter 4, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, JK Rowing
If you notice, Harry doesn't know anything about Mr and Mrs Evans, one thing is him not knowing about the Potters but if Harry doesn't know anything about the Evans grandparents, it means Dudley doesn't either, it means Petunia doesn't talk about them, doesn't have photos of them. Frankly, seeing the relationship between the two sisters, the Envases mustn't have been geniuses at the whole parenting thing.
And for all of this, again, I can't blame her for hating magic, especially when you consider that the first and one of the only experiences with wizards she has is Snape [how hilarious it is that those two know each other?], someone that hates muggles and literally made a tree branch fall on her. Then there's the sister that seems to live to outshine her and Dumbledore who tells her she is not special (not in those terms obviously, he is quite kind actually, but how is a young girl going to perceive that letter if not like that?). By the time she meets James, she already hates magic too deeply.
This Petunia is someone that makes you wish life had been a little kinder to her, and maybe then she could have been better.
But the Petunia since she takes Harry in? She is a monster. What she does to Harry should have put her in jail, and there's no indication that it's Vernon who forces her to behave like that. Like there's no indication that Vernon and Petunia don't love each other. If anything, the fact that Vernon agrees to have Harry in the house despite hating him seems a testament to how much he loves Petunia.
Harry does seem to hate Vernon in particular but the more fitting explanation seems to be that Vernon is a man and therefore more intimidating.
As wrong as it would have been, I could have even forgiven Petunia if she had just been a little colder towards Harry and shown a preference for Dudley. She is substantially forced to take this boy into her house, a boy who has a genocidal maniac after him and therefore potentially puts in danger her, her husband and her son, and she is also forced to see the dynamic that brought so much pain to her repeat again. Dudley is Petunia, and Harry is Lily. Dudley is a muggle, and Harry is a wizard. It's pretty reasonable for her to hate the idea that one day her son will feel like she did. Maybe she was even planning to not have more than one child just to avoid that. Petunia hates Harry because she sees Lily in him, not James. James canonically never insulted Petunia, the only reasons Petunia has for hating him are that he is a wizard and Lily's husband. At best she may have reason to not find him particularly likeable:
The first meeting between Lily, her boyfriend James Potter, and the engaged couple, went badly, and the relationship nose-dived from there. James was amused by Vernon, and made the mistake of showing it. Vernon tried to patronise James, asking what car he drove. James described his racing broom. Vernon supposed out loud that wizards had to live on unemployment benefit. James explained about Gringotts, and the fortune his parents had saved there, in solid gold. Vernon could not tell whether he was being made fun of or not, and grew angry. The evening ended with Vernon and Petunia storming out of the restaurant, while Lily burst into tears and James (a little ashamed of himself) promised to make things up with Vernon at the earliest opportunity.
This never happened. Petunia did not want Lily as a bridesmaid, because she was tired of being overshadowed; Lily was hurt. Vernon refused to speak to James at the reception, but described him, within James’ earshot, as ‘some kind of amateur magician’.
-from Vernon and Petunia Dursley by JK Rowling
But what Petunia does to Harry goes way beyond anything that could have been excused. And of course, we are also forced to re-read a younger Petunia through that lens, you don't become someone that could do that to a child out of the blue. Was there really ever a time in which she could have been saved?
As for redemption, the personality that is presented to us is not remotely complex enough to consider a redemption arc. Nothing that could be considered in-character. Among the established core traits of her character, there are being envious, and full of hatred.
But even if Petunia decided to become a better person for who knows what spiritual awakening, I don't see why that should become Harry's problem. Each person may have a right to become a better one but that doesn't mean they stop being the person who did the bad things. Even if Petunia became a saint who volunteers in children's hospitals, she would still be the woman who abused Harry, mentally and physically, throughout the first two decades of his life.
I do think that Harry would probably make some sort of attempt to hear her out if that were the case (as much as I also think Ginny would absolutely hate the idea and refuse to let him go alone) because Harry is too compassionate for his own good, and shows more than once to have a problem when it comes to setting boundaries in favour of his own emotional comfort. But I also think it would cause him a great deal of pain and distress and they would never be able to be more than just civil to each other.
In light of that, but also as a general statement in regards to this morbid obsession a lot of people seem to have for redemption arcs, I'd like to say that there's no acceptable reason for the redemption of the abuser to become the punishment of the abused.
[I would advise reading the piece written by Rowling on Vernon and Petunia, there it's made very clear that they love each other]
#petunia evans you will always be famous to me#yes how she treated harry was awful but if everyone else has no problem stanning barty and evan then y'all WILL hear me out on petunia#not vintage
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harry, ron, and hermiones pyjamas respectively
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cosmetically yours “fortune kookie” lipstick, 1960s
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Daria Seventeen Fall/Winter 1998 Magazine
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francesca amewudah-rivers for revamp magazine
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smth's happened today. it's this feeling i have
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2020 was such an unserious moment in time for the hp fandom🧍🏿♀️ this is real evidence that quarantine was driving people insane bc in what other circumstances would it be socially acceptable to make these edits and post them as if everything was fine and normal 😭
#i remember the EXACT moment in 2020 when i saw one of these edits in a tiktok for the first time#at first i genuinely laughed out loud bc i thought it was a JOKE until i opened the comment section and everyone was being serious 💀#for a good two years i thought i was insane bc people would post these everywhere#and the comments would all be so supportive as if they weren't so AWFUL#layering all that blur on them to cover up the mistakes........ ik y'all knew damn well.........😕#hp#not vintage
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I love you "boring" female characters. I love you ingenues. I love you female characters who aren't "modern" enough. I love you female characters who aren't "badass" enough. iI love you female characters who aren't "empowering" enough. I love you quiet female characters. I love you unappreciated female characters. I love you polite female characters. I love you female characters who "can't appeal to modern audiences." I love you frightened female characters. I love you female characters labeled as not complex just for being nice. I love you female characters who get criticism just for not being their tomboy or femme fatale counterpart. I love you silk hiding steel trope.
#hazel#which is funny because she isn't even really this she CAN fight and she's not at all a wallflower but she's like the pjo equivalent of this#but its so interesting seeing in both fandom and wider culture#which of these characters get loved get hated or get ignored#some mishmash of genre and intended audience and how she's positioned in the narrative ig#and which other female characters are in the same narrative#hazel never really had haters but she's so ignored that even long posts complaining about how rr writes women/femininity#will namecheck every other one-page wonder in the series before mentioning her at all#<- prev tags#not vintage
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local woman who claimed she will "cross that bridge when she comes to it" arrives at said bridge
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The thing about most fantasy when it comes to love potions is that most people pussyfoot around it and it really loses the existential horror of it
Uh.... what exactly does 'pussyfoot around' mean, exactly, in this context?
Well it means that the love potions don't actually make real love. They make trance like 'infatuation or 'obsession', something that can be broken through will power or easy antidotes, and they're again, not 'real love'
But the thing is, if all your thoughts and feelings are dictated by the matter in your body (they are) then it should be well within the bounds of both science fiction and fantasy to imagine a magical method that can manufacture love, changing the chemistry of your brain to induce authentic feelings of love.
(An interesting side not that I find relevant here, is that, in real life, it is completely possible to implant false memories, while these were pretty controversal experiments, the existence of false memories is pretty universally agreed upon. But the spooky aspect, is that just knowing that a memory is false doesn't actually get rid of any emotional responses/attachments you might have to it)
And imo, while this is definitely a darker take (although, idk I think all uses of love potions are dark, they're effectively date rape drugs) I think grappling with the ramifications of artificial love that does actually do what it says on the tin, is much more interesting and harrowing than love potions that can be easily broken or worn of or just create hypnosis like states.
It's one of the things I like most about Octavia Butler's work, because it often comes up as a reoccurring theme (though typically from more of a sci fi angle than fantasy angle if we're splitting g hairs) and actually delves into the existential horror of knowing thar the love you feel was created without your consent and as a violation of your will, but still feeling it nonetheless because by violating your will, it changed your will and your desires. Even years later I think about Lilith wandering out to the woods and sobbing (in either Adulthood Rites or Imago, I read them in such quick succession that I don't totally remember what is from which one) but always returning to her oankali mate because it was so fucking harrowing.
And sure, stories focused on such horrifying explorations of autonomy definitely aren't as cute as stories wheee "true love" is all powerful and unfakable, but there also not as interesting in my opinion. You might as well not even call it a love potion, just say mind control, or hypnosis or something. But if you're going to grapple with the concept of manufactured love and affection. Actually fucking do it.
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Webpages on the Daria website via MTV.com in 2001 (Part 1)
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Character Homepages on the Daria website via MTV.com from 1999-2001 (Part 3)
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