Lol 40k would never be able to have female repsention down if it keeps being so Maine focused. And like why can’t the Sisters of Silance speak? That seems like it could cause lots of issues on a battlefield . The best way to handle it is to be more focused on the SOB ,T’au and Eldar. And make more female Eldar models.

Yeah, I’ve discussed this before too, but it will always be a contributing factor to why, compared to AoS, 40k will always have a lopsided representation of genders, despite the Imperium’s supposed equality, because 90% of the lore focuses on factions which are 100% male, and so 90% of all developed, focused on and important characters are male. 

I'd say is a solid idea

I was thinking about “Misao” the other day (big shock, I know) and my thoughts were all happy at first as I was thinking of an AU where Akito actually found out about the bullying and he, along with Ayaka, became friends with Misao, so she avoids that horrible night when she gets murdered.

But then my angst side of brain struck me with a thought: “Hey, but what if somebody still gets killed by Sohta and the school still gets cursed?”

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Imagine the Eldar with Psychic and Ghost types, with Dark Eldar being Dark type. 

To help you feel better why not Imagine a A.U where The T’au Find the Pokémon world and get lots of Superpowered Allies.

That could be fun, yeah. I’d imagine Farsight would have a Fire/Fighting focus. For sure I think he’d have a Medicham. Meditating, learning your opponents moves then countering, combining thought and physical form.

Shadowsun would probably lean Ghost types, I think a Decidueye would actually suit her well. 

The Tau are Cold War URSS and US  vs Imperium’s Nazi Germany/Imperial Japan. 

Is not hard to see who is better

I do not understand people who try to make moral equivalence between the T’au Empire and the Imperium.

The Imperium is literally ideologically dedicated to the goal of wiping out of existence every single non-human (by their narrow definition thereof) from existence and the banning of any ideology which does not embrace religious worship of the Emperor.

They want to kill EVERYONE ELSE.

The T’au, for all their faults (and they are just as evil as any real world Imperialist polity) do not want to kill everyone else, don’t even need everyone else to worship the same ideology as them, allow any religion within their borders which does not outright cause conflict.

Like, do people not understand this? If someone comes up to and says “I’m gonna kill you for being a different race to me,” and someone else says; “I’m not gonna kill you but please accept my rule,” although both are bad one is considerably worse! There is a reason people are willing to live in conditions of vassalship and such and prefer it to being killed! That’s just human history!

If you’re gonna critique the T’au for their policies that’s fine, as I said above they’re just as evil as any colonizing power, but that still makes them leagues better than “We will kill everyone else in the galaxy on principle” Imperium.

The T’au actually allow other species to live and survive, even thrive. The Imperium just kills. There is no other option. If you are a Kroot and the T’au come to you, you can live with them, you can work with them. If the Imperium comes you have no options, they don’t offer you anything, they’ll kill you, that’s it.

That people seem not to be able to understand the difference between a society that kills all other species on principle, and one that does not, is baffling to me. 

Kirito: This is my ex-girlfriend.

Asuna: I told you to stop calling me that.

Asuna: We're married. I'm his wife.

I mean the guys that use Muh Humanity to mock non-Imperium players.

What do you think about the "Humans fuck yeah" movement? Especially how they take stuff as The Guard to feel pride because "Muh (white and male) human" and "Fuck eldar and tau". I personally hate it and I think that is as bad as "humans are the absolute worst". You?

Hmm, I’m not exactly sure what the whole question means. I do dislike HFY personally since I think its puerille, effectively akin at best to making up an imaginary friend so one can claim racial superiority ‘safely’ because one just claims its an imaginary person you’re insisting you’re inherently better than, and at the other end of the spectrum I find it to be utterly abominable for literally glorifying extinction and death. Then again most people I’ve seen heavily in HFY also just seemingly don’t have any rational grasp of the concepts, they make bizarre assumptions with no evidence at all and seem to for some weird reason think that the Earth has a giant chunk in space has in some way ‘been defeated’ if we do something like kill the enviroment, even though that’ll just probably end with us killing ourselves.

Now with the Guard, I mean, there’s nothing wrong with being ‘proud’ of the faction you like. I’m proud of Orks but they’re a race of psychotic raging monsters. Orks F**k Yeah would be no better than Humanity F**k yeah, you understand?

I do dislike that a vociferous part of the fandom genuinely for some reason actually hates the other factions, but that’s just because personally I don’t understand hating any of the factions. Liking one more than the other, sure, I don’t understand actually having any real hatred for a fictional faction of plastic soldiers, it seems bizarre to me, particularly since it’ll inevitable cause issues as real players, real humans, play these games. 

At this point. I'll be fine with having most good guys, just to see Imperium fans accept that They're not Justified in all their crap

Sometimes I just want to see stuff as High ranking Imperials being anhilated in suffering as punishment for Xenos. But then I remember that IOM fanboys would use it as a reason of why "This is why the Imperium is justified!!!". The grimdark was a mistake, it just let Imperium apologists get stuff and don't let Xenos fans get anything. Vulkan burned children, for The Greated Good' sake!!

I honestly think 40k would have to go far and well beyond what it currently has to justify most of the Imperium’s atrocities. I don’t really think having a more significant defeats would in any way actually make the policies of the Imperium anymore justifiable then they already are, it’d just reduce their narrative role as an invincible boring protagonist.

Yeah no character in 40k should be held up as an actual good guy, in the more idealistic sense of the word, honestly its something I wish would be conveyed more clearly. At best the characters from 40k are standard military conquerors, which is still a horrible thing to be, but at worst they are all monsters. One can like them, support them, yeah its a story, but none of the primary protagonists in 40k should be seen as actually in anyway being anything but different brands of awful. Primarchs are, almost universally, xenophobic, racist, elitist, autocratic monsters who believe they, and a select entitled few, deserve to be allowed to kill anyone they want and command everyone to do what they want. Vulkan’s status as somehow being ‘softer’ is largely misleading, seeing as in Promethean Sun he literally responds to a concrete example of Aeldari and human co-existence by consigning every single living thing on the planet, animal, human, Aeldari, child and adult to death simply because he doesn’t wanna deal with the fact that humans and Xenos can clearly get along.

If I remember correctly Magnus is the only Primarch who had some sympathy towrds Xenos, and I believe it was only ever specified that he tended not to engage Aeldari and let them pass by, the others were, to a man, racist warmongers and autocrats. Although I suppose as part of trying to clearly soften the image of 40k somewhat Guilliman has, rather spontaneously, become far more tolerant of Xenos than he ever was in 30k. I dunno, maybe we’re meant to think he just feels that indebted to Yvraine or Ynnead tinkered with his head and reduced the xenophobia dial or something.

Oops. I forgot putting fans there. But yeah, it would be way better if fans and authors didn't idealize it. The grimdark makes all of them being evil but somehow the Imperium get a pass because muh (white and mostly male) humans. And yeah, the Imperium is openly genocidal. But as you said before, the whole aesthetic of the Great Crusade is based on European Colonialism.

Sometimes I just want to see stuff as High ranking Imperials being anhilated in suffering as punishment for Xenos. But then I remember that IOM fanboys would use it as a reason of why "This is why the Imperium is justified!!!". The grimdark was a mistake, it just let Imperium apologists get stuff and don't let Xenos fans get anything. Vulkan burned children, for The Greated Good' sake!!

I honestly think 40k would have to go far and well beyond what it currently has to justify most of the Imperium’s atrocities. I don’t really think having a more significant defeats would in any way actually make the policies of the Imperium anymore justifiable then they already are, it’d just reduce their narrative role as an invincible boring protagonist.

Yeah no character in 40k should be held up as an actual good guy, in the more idealistic sense of the word, honestly its something I wish would be conveyed more clearly. At best the characters from 40k are standard military conquerors, which is still a horrible thing to be, but at worst they are all monsters. One can like them, support them, yeah its a story, but none of the primary protagonists in 40k should be seen as actually in anyway being anything but different brands of awful. Primarchs are, almost universally, xenophobic, racist, elitist, autocratic monsters who believe they, and a select entitled few, deserve to be allowed to kill anyone they want and command everyone to do what they want. Vulkan’s status as somehow being ‘softer’ is largely misleading, seeing as in Promethean Sun he literally responds to a concrete example of Aeldari and human co-existence by consigning every single living thing on the planet, animal, human, Aeldari, child and adult to death simply because he doesn’t wanna deal with the fact that humans and Xenos can clearly get along.

If I remember correctly Magnus is the only Primarch who had some sympathy towrds Xenos, and I believe it was only ever specified that he tended not to engage Aeldari and let them pass by, the others were, to a man, racist warmongers and autocrats. Although I suppose as part of trying to clearly soften the image of 40k somewhat Guilliman has, rather spontaneously, become far more tolerant of Xenos than he ever was in 30k. I dunno, maybe we’re meant to think he just feels that indebted to Yvraine or Ynnead tinkered with his head and reduced the xenophobia dial or something.

The "best" part of the Yvraine stuff is that IoM still refuse to accept xenos coexistence even if a group of xenos saved the IoM as we know it (No Guilliman=The Imperium is doomed). People really buy the kool aid, ignoring that is literally European Colonialism in Space. Heck, likely because it IS. They love parroting stuff as "The Imperial truth is a deeply humanistic belief that exalts the qualities of mankind".

Sometimes I just want to see stuff as High ranking Imperials being anhilated in suffering as punishment for Xenos. But then I remember that IOM fanboys would use it as a reason of why "This is why the Imperium is justified!!!". The grimdark was a mistake, it just let Imperium apologists get stuff and don't let Xenos fans get anything. Vulkan burned children, for The Greated Good' sake!!

I honestly think 40k would have to go far and well beyond what it currently has to justify most of the Imperium’s atrocities. I don’t really think having a more significant defeats would in any way actually make the policies of the Imperium anymore justifiable then they already are, it’d just reduce their narrative role as an invincible boring protagonist.

Yeah no character in 40k should be held up as an actual good guy, in the more idealistic sense of the word, honestly its something I wish would be conveyed more clearly. At best the characters from 40k are standard military conquerors, which is still a horrible thing to be, but at worst they are all monsters. One can like them, support them, yeah its a story, but none of the primary protagonists in 40k should be seen as actually in anyway being anything but different brands of awful. Primarchs are, almost universally, xenophobic, racist, elitist, autocratic monsters who believe they, and a select entitled few, deserve to be allowed to kill anyone they want and command everyone to do what they want. Vulkan’s status as somehow being ‘softer’ is largely misleading, seeing as in Promethean Sun he literally responds to a concrete example of Aeldari and human co-existence by consigning every single living thing on the planet, animal, human, Aeldari, child and adult to death simply because he doesn’t wanna deal with the fact that humans and Xenos can clearly get along.

If I remember correctly Magnus is the only Primarch who had some sympathy towrds Xenos, and I believe it was only ever specified that he tended not to engage Aeldari and let them pass by, the others were, to a man, racist warmongers and autocrats. Although I suppose as part of trying to clearly soften the image of 40k somewhat Guilliman has, rather spontaneously, become far more tolerant of Xenos than he ever was in 30k. I dunno, maybe we’re meant to think he just feels that indebted to Yvraine or Ynnead tinkered with his head and reduced the xenophobia dial or something.

Rose of Terra...

To be fair, the meme come off as a nice guy trying to do the best of the worst situation. 

Don't forget that almost all the planet busting characters are either Chaos...or Imperium. All of them happen to be in the same side. Is not just having Goku in one side, is having all the Z warriors in one side while the others can barely get a Mr. Satan.

Why the Emperor is that powerful? Like. Even the Chaos Gods are afraid of him. Is very hard to care about the Eldar or the Tau when you know that they have no chance to reach that level. Albeit, seriously, how a bunch of shamans created such a powerful being? I hope that eventually is revealed that the Ethereal were just like those shamans. But that's asking focus on xenos. Albeit, the last works seem to be slightly more egalitarian with them.

Yeah how that works in 40k has always been troubling, particularly for T’au who are being kept out of any significance at all if singular individuals exist who can literally destroy all life in the galaxy if they wanted and such. Personally I’d prefer if no individuals in 40k actually had the material power to destroy entire armies, I feel sometimes as if things have gotten to Dragon Ball Zish with regards to the Emperor or Primarchs just making everyone else, and the entire concept of military force, irrelevant.

But it differs from work-to-work, again the inconsistency of 40k’s power is a big problem for it. One book Vulkan will be presented as single-handidly being able to destroy an entire Waaagh!!! the Imperial army couldn’t, another time though Roboute Guilliman will not be able to win a battle against the Alpha Legion during the Indomitus Crusade. As usual if a consistent approach could be found it’d be better. 

Plus. The Nicassar would show a succesful Psyker race, just like the old Eldar but in a smaller scale. It would shut up the talks of "our fanatism is the only thing that protect us from Chaos!" from IoM fans.

Warhammer 40K Tau Fan Factions

Tau:  The Tau are an upstart xenos species who in a relatively short time have founded an interstellar empire with other alien races under their protection.  However, they are ultimately a small group within a much larger galaxy, and have yet to face some of the most dangerous threats, especially Chaos.  I don’t mind the Tau, but my problem with them is that they are a relatively small faction who can’t operate throughout the whole setting, just their small corner of it.  However, there is potential for them as they are one of the few races that ally with other aliens, and since there is an alliance system, it would be relatively simple to introduce new factions by introducing them as Tau allies. 

New Faction Ideas: 

Farsight Enclaves:  A splinter group of Tau, they are led by Farsight who has severed contact with the main empire and rejects the unusual control of the Ethereals.  I think they have some special rules and characters, but beyond that I don’t think they have any different units or technology.  If I were to make any suggestions, maybe work them to have different technology as they are separated from the main empire.  They wouldn’t be as advanced as the regular Tau as they only have access to the technology they had on them when they rebelled, so instead work to be adaptable and maintain what they have.  It would help emphasize their rebellious nature.  At the same time, they do support the Tau, but reject the controlling Ethereals, so could still ally with other Tau forces. 

Kroot Mercenaries:  The Kroot are a seemingly primitive species who work for the Tau as mercenaries.  They specialize in melee combat to compensate for the Tau’s weakness in such combat.  They are capable of mutating based on eating flesh of other aliens and gaining useful traits.  They could be separated into another faction with their own unique monster units of mutated Kroot.  While they mostly ally with Tau, they are not picky and could have rules where they can ally with other factions. 

Tau Auxiliaries:  The Tau are one of the few races who take in other aliens into their empire, though it is still dominated by Tau.  Traitor humans and Imperial Guard are a common auxiliary, as are the insectoid Vespid.  They also have other minor races and mercenaries, such as the Demiurg and Nicassar.  I think these could be their own force, and if well developed could split further, like have Vespid and Humans become separate.  Humans could also have access to Imperial technology to add some variety. 

Tzeentch Cultists:  This was just a silly idea.  So the Tau do not have psykers and barely register in the Warp as having souls.  This limits the capabilities of their empire, as they can’t travel quickly through the Warp, and are largely ignorant of the dangers of Chaos and the many other threats of the galaxy.  Seeing this weakness, I think it would be interesting for a cabal of Tau to investigate the Warp and make a deal with Tzeentch.  In return for servitude, he turned a few of them into psykers, and gave them forbidden knowledge of magic and technology to deal with their many threats.  These cultists are still largely secretive, but have power within the Empire.  Thus they could still ally with other Tau, as well as Chaos. 

I think that they were a fine concept, showing a sort of Xeno resistence to the IoM. But of course, the Horus Heresy is the Imperium' history (and the core of the setting, sadly) and thus they had no chance to shine.

The Cabel was Bullshit too . Becuase I think at least slaansh came from the Eldar doing that giant Blood orgys

I wasn’t a fan of the Cabal, no. It felt like a half-hearted attempt to somehow make Xenos important in the Heresy, but after taking one step the authors all panicked and tried to back away from it as much as possible, and then clumisly had two people over the space of a single book eliminate a millenia old conspiracy of powerful aliens with super advanced technology. Just a poorly executed concept which ended up being a plot tumor and nothing more, in my opinion.

Also. Don’t forget that the Cabal is “selfish” for wanting let humanity anhilate itself and save the rest of the galaxy but their beloved Emperor was altruist (just “a bit flawed”) for wanting to erradicate the xenos. Or even better, say that the xenocide is justified because the Cabal proves that “they wanted do the same”. Poor Eldrad tho, he wanted to find a third path but he just made things worse. 

Is always weird meeting supposed Big Warhammer fans and never hear them talking about the Eldar or even the Tau (or the Necron. Tyrannids, Chaos and Orks easy to remember for being IoM fodder enemies). Sure, the lore itself ignore them so they aren't to blame but..Still

Well…in the end people should feel free to discuss the parts of the fandom that interest them, I have no issue with that. 

My concern is, more usually, with the fact that several individuals who speak on 40k frequently and address topics about Xenos show that they have little actual knowledge of Xenos and have barely read any of the lore on them. That’s how we get this bizarre perpetuating belief in the fandom that the T’au systematically sterilize humans when the only actual instance of it in the Lore is from Dawn of War 2, once. Or how I regularly encounter people who argue that Eldrad was a member of the Cabal and sought to wipe out humanity, not apparently having read enough to learn that Eldrad actually opposed the Cabal and even ended up killing them all (with a Space Marine to hold his hand, of course, we can’t have Eldrad actually achieving things on his after all).

If someone only wants to talk about the Imperium I have no problems with it, they are free to. What I don’t like is individuals who appoint themselves ‘experts’ and are trusted sources of information in the fandom, who clearly show that their lack of interest in Xenos translates into a poor knowledge of them and then they just perpetuate that poor knowledge. 

There is a reason I read basically every Xenos novel or even Xenos-featuring novel and Codex, its to make sure that when I speak about something not as simply my headcanon or opinions I do so with the canonical information to back it up. I would not say Orks lose basically all battles against Orks if I had not counted the number of documented conflicts and found that the Orks have won a smattering of almost less than 10 battles against Space Marines, compared to the Space Marines 20+ victories against Orks. 

Yeah. Shadowsun deserve winning her own battles. Who cares for some mook marines, the Tau are supposed to be the modern armies fighting against super powered medieval knights. They can win actual battles.

Shadowsun is such a mixed bag in female representation. She is treated as the less creative, more emotional and hypocrite counterpart to free thinking, rebel Farsight. But she is also the top dog in the Tau' army in the lore. She is the poster girl for commanders of the main Tau Empire. She was allowed to beat Space Marines. Her personality had a lot of the ugly stereotypes associated with females in position of powers. But she is also allowed to be one of the most competent ones. Is a mixed bag

For the most part I don’t mind her representation till Mont’ka and 8th. I don’t mind her being cold and ruthless, in 40k that shouldn’t be a problem and I like that she can be so. For example, personally, I think Farsight is the more emotional of the two.

I think what helps here is, one of the nice things about the Farsight novels, is that in them Farsight consistently and repeatedly praises Shadowsun. She is always presented as having something of an aura of awe to him, and he consistently praises her above of himself.

That being said I agree with you there have been missteps but, with Shadowsun, I think most of these missteps have come lately. Mont’ka reducing her to ‘needs to be saved by Farsight’ is awful and a symptom of what I think we both worry about; that Farsight’s popularity will have Shadowsun consistently be played as needing rescuing so that Farsight can be pushed to the front of the narrative. The other misstep in 8th is just the seeming desire GW now has that Shadowsun can’t be allowed to win fights, which is just plainly seemingly playing into the vitriolic hate the Space Marine fandom has for her just because she was actually allowed to defeat Space Marines meaningfully for a change. 

All Persona (and SMT) demons are literally Warp Being.

Just search for The White of SMT IV and they are basically Chaos gods.

Holy shit Yaldabaoth from persona 5 is the god emporor

Hmm…I almost seem him as a bit more of a Chaos god actually, being formed from the subconscious feelings of a mass of beings and all that :O