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Speaking as someone who was openly criticizing Kristin *because* she was uncomfortable to watch because of how relatable she was in her actions and thoughts, this is very true.

One thing that's been interesting to me as a Kristen Defender from the very beginning of the season is that my irl friends who were the MOST critical of and frustrated with Kristen were like... the most Kristen-coded ADHD disasters I knew, especially at Kristen's age.

Because I work with traumatized teens, I feel like it's easier for me to have compassion for Kristen because when I see a fictional hot mess teen, the real-life hot mess (affectionate!!) teens I map them onto are my clients and not my own 16 year old self. So being mad at Kristen doesn't feel like being mad at my younger self who couldn't get her shit together (which I still frequently am! I'm only human!) it feels like being mad at one of the kids on my caseload, which seems obviously inappropriate and mean.

*So fucking cooooooool!*

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Yeah, I'm totally agreeing there. I've been posting about it too the discourse is wild. My take is that she's fine as a villain just kinda boring now, just kinda like a bunch of jokes and an annoying personality, and I feel like I'm getting hit with all this "stop hating on her" energy, though the big time haters are just as polarizing.

Like she's so similar to panelepe everpetal, a trope if a mean girl, yet has triggered *such* an extreme response. Thank Goodness people aren't this touchy about hating Bobby dawn

Thank you for Fantasy High Junior Year for letting me realize how out of touch and privileged some people are on the internet. Apparently saying "I hate Kipperlilly" is an unacceptable, immoral behavior and is the biggest thing happening in the world. I'm sorry, saying I don't like FICTIONAL CHARACTERS who are ANTAGONISTS is a real and serious issue for you? "But she's a teenager" Why does her AGE matter? She's literally NOT REAL. I can say whatever I want about her and she will never hear or care about this because she doesn't EXIST. Literally go out and touch grass.

Wow I just came to a kind of conclusion on this and here's needles coming in with the more elegant/better way of saying it, more clearly.

Thanks, your words are good words 💯

This is not a post *About* Kipperlilly, this is about the discussion.

As mentioned before, I'm done talking about her, even with more episodes coming, because of how the discussion around her is evolving. Now, I'm just scrolling Tumblr tonight because I can't sleep and...

Then I see a post about a cute animal, followed by

I need to ask is this just like, normal for Tumblr (I'm new here) or is Kipperlilly Copperkettle just *that* polarizing she has people on both sides so passionate? Why are there *sides* on this character she's almost all references and jokes there's so little character there

She's a trope, two DnD Jokes, and a tone all wrapped up into one, inspired by an old PC Brennan played like once I think, and she has people so fucking *heated* I'm tempted to just block her name on Tumblr.

And this isn't a call-out post to either of these people, no hate intended, this is the larger trend and the fact I so easily saw them back to back. Like yeah @r0sebutch 's post is one I don't personally agree with as much, I find it hard to project this girl who was in counciling but never listened as someone who knew her anger wasn't good for her, but sure it *might* have happened. But as much as I agree with @chungled , projecting that everyone who likes Kipperlilly is doing so because it's fun to root for a vile person, like come on, Kipperlilly stans mostly think she isn't nasty and are sympathetic to her, there's no need to take *your opinion* of a character, and make it an attack on people who disagree.

What is it about Kipperlilly we're finding so personal, so polarizing, and so significant that we're turning to attack? From random and opinions to argument? Not here for drama, this is probably stupid because drama will likely happen, I'm just hoping to say clearly this doesn't need to be an *argument* or *fight*, and curious if anyone cares to share if this is normal or why this might be the case

Is the Kipperlilly discourse so tense because she's bigot-coded?

Kipperlilly and Bobby Dawn are both antagonists introduced in this season, with what I'd call bigot coding. No, they haven't yet been explicitly depicted as bigoted, and fans of them aren't bigots for liking them. But they are both based off real-life trends, who are more often than not bigoted, the controlling megapastor and the entitled girl who wants the hardship of others for the story.

Megapastors are often homophobic and racist, not to mention classist, and the fanbase's reaction has largely been hate and anger. Mine to, mine too.

Girls jealous of others hardship, at least in *many people's experience*, view themselves as better and are upset when people of other races/sexualities get attention because they *struggle* more, and desire that attention for themselves. Complaints about how unfair affirmative action, start here. And *yes* there are likely girls who don't have this motivation and Kipperlilly defenders aren't assassinating her with that but really *read* posts against her, most haters are. This is an actually harmful kind of person who is uncomfortably common to exist, so I think people are projecting her differently.

Just... Be *conscious* of why people like someone you don't, or dislike someone you like. Other dim 20 fans aren't looking to defend someone you see as racist because they are *ok" with that, they don't see her that way.

This is not a post *About* Kipperlilly, this is about the discussion.

As mentioned before, I'm done talking about her, even with more episodes coming, because of how the discussion around her is evolving. Now, I'm just scrolling Tumblr tonight because I can't sleep and...

Then I see a post about a cute animal, followed by

I need to ask is this just like, normal for Tumblr (I'm new here) or is Kipperlilly Copperkettle just *that* polarizing she has people on both sides so passionate? Why are there *sides* on this character she's almost all references and jokes there's so little character there

She's a trope, two DnD Jokes, and a tone all wrapped up into one, inspired by an old PC Brennan played like once I think, and she has people so fucking *heated* I'm tempted to just block her name on Tumblr.

And this isn't a call-out post to either of these people, no hate intended, this is the larger trend and the fact I so easily saw them back to back. Like yeah @r0sebutch 's post is one I don't personally agree with as much, I find it hard to project this girl who was in counciling but never listened as someone who knew her anger wasn't good for her, but sure it *might* have happened. But as much as I agree with @chungled , projecting that everyone who likes Kipperlilly is doing so because it's fun to root for a vile person, like come on, Kipperlilly stans mostly think she isn't nasty and are sympathetic to her, there's no need to take *your opinion* of a character, and make it an attack on people who disagree.

What is it about Kipperlilly we're finding so personal, so polarizing, and so significant that we're turning to attack? From random and opinions to argument? Not here for drama, this is probably stupid because drama will likely happen, I'm just hoping to say clearly this doesn't need to be an *argument* or *fight*, and curious if anyone cares to share if this is normal or why this might be the case

This still seems a little aggro as well making it about *entitlement* when it's sharing opinions, this is social media that's kind of what we do here, but I wholeheartedly agree the Kipperlilly discourse is so aggro

I don't personally care if you like or dislike her, at this point it's just like everyone talking about her has to ready their weapons.

Thank you for Fantasy High Junior Year for letting me realize how out of touch and privileged some people are on the internet. Apparently saying "I hate Kipperlilly" is an unacceptable, immoral behavior and is the biggest thing happening in the world. I'm sorry, saying I don't like FICTIONAL CHARACTERS who are ANTAGONISTS is a real and serious issue for you? "But she's a teenager" Why does her AGE matter? She's literally NOT REAL. I can say whatever I want about her and she will never hear or care about this because she doesn't EXIST. Literally go out and touch grass.

This is not a post *About* Kipperlilly, this is about the discussion.

As mentioned before, I'm done talking about her, even with more episodes coming, because of how the discussion around her is evolving. Now, I'm just scrolling Tumblr tonight because I can't sleep and...

Then I see a post about a cute animal, followed by

I need to ask is this just like, normal for Tumblr (I'm new here) or is Kipperlilly Copperkettle just *that* polarizing she has people on both sides so passionate? Why are there *sides* on this character she's almost all references and jokes there's so little character there

She's a trope, two DnD Jokes, and a tone all wrapped up into one, inspired by an old PC Brennan played like once I think, and she has people so fucking *heated* I'm tempted to just block her name on Tumblr.

And this isn't a call-out post to either of these people, no hate intended, this is the larger trend and the fact I so easily saw them back to back. Like yeah @r0sebutch 's post is one I don't personally agree with as much, I find it hard to project this girl who was in counciling but never listened as someone who knew her anger wasn't good for her, but sure it *might* have happened. But as much as I agree with @chungled , projecting that everyone who likes Kipperlilly is doing so because it's fun to root for a vile person, like come on, Kipperlilly stans mostly think she isn't nasty and are sympathetic to her, there's no need to take *your opinion* of a character, and make it an attack on people who disagree.

What is it about Kipperlilly we're finding so personal, so polarizing, and so significant that we're turning to attack? From random and opinions to argument? Not here for drama, this is probably stupid because drama will likely happen, I'm just hoping to say clearly this doesn't need to be an *argument* or *fight*, and curious if anyone cares to share if this is normal or why this might be the case

So *gorgeous*!

Saccarina, Carmalinda, looking so intense, approrpriate for the ACAC tone.

My babies!!!

So cuuuute!

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Deja Vu (Game Changer) Was Mid.

Not trying to get on the bad sides of the many many many people loving this epsiode, but I just found it okay-ish. Like as soon as it was clear some fuckery was about I got excited to see how things were going to go, with the title I was thinking maybe it would call back to previous wpisodes, rely on memory, ect. Some cool tricks in editing ad a fun premise, sure. But I keep ssing people call this a mindfuck and a 5 peppers, and that Sam just keeps upin the anty in fucking with his players and... really? This feels more like a fun silly one. All it takes is one loop and players have more or less figured out the gimmicks, just a matter of perfecting each loop for the most points. Fun, clever, and a good watch, lots of meme-spawn moments but I feel Bingo fucked with the contestants more, and that was *Bingo*. We still haven't gotten anything as tense or fuckery as the escape room epsiode since, and I just am a little confused why people are acting like this fun, but kinda meh episode was more than what it was.

No hate just confused.

Tumblr flagged this post as sexually explicit and it's literally just a trans dude in high fantasy art.

Make it make sense.

I gotta talk about FourDogs (again)

It's barely about her, though. I think "he's so lucky his dad was brutally murdered" and "people with trauma need a second handicap because they're too motivated" are such absolute-the-fuck-ly bonkers takes, they're not even worth the time it took me to get mad about them, which was immediately. This time around, I have way more to say about audience reception. I'll try to keep it civil.

It feels like a lot of us are responding from increasingly personal places because these are characters with which a lot of us identify, or we see traits in them that remind us of people from our real lives. And hey! Another performance and storytelling slay on the part of one Brennan Lee Mulligan. Who else can invent 50+ characters every year and play them to the point where any one of them can evoke both an "omg that's literally me!" and an "omg that's literally Dani, the girl that bullied me all of freshmen year until I punched out her front tooth in the student parking lot and got in-school suspension for a month!". And whether Kipperlily reminds you of Dani, or reflects your own anxieties about potential, ability, and trauma, an important thing to remember is this: she is not real!

Brennan made her up! Brennan made her up to tell a story, and when he made her up, he made her annoying, petty, antagonistic, and he gave her not just opposing goals to the the protagonists we know and love, but the explicit goal of ruining The Bad Kids' lives, specifically.

Now, I'm not saying she's fictional to be a dick, or dismiss any deeper readings on her or any of the Rat Grinders. I'm bringing it up because the way I'm seeing people talk to each other about these characters is starting to get a little wild and it's in danger of waking up The Olde Gods™ (i.e. the special brand of Tumblr Self-Righteousness that lives inside us all).

It's important to remember Kipperlilly is a character in a fictive work so that different interpretations of her don't get treated as stone law. Each reading of her is personal and valid, but none are gospel. The "Kipperlilly is but a victim" take is not the only correct one, nor is radical empathy for her as a character the only correct reaction. Also, even if I consider her sympathetic that is not incompatible with an opinion like "Kipperlilly needs to get roundhouse'd in the head by a lesbian in a tracksuit and/or a wizard in a jean jacket, posthaste". Sure, you can say that anyone who doesn't feel a deep and eclipsing empathy for Kipperlilly above all other emotions is immature at best and sociopathic at worst, but then I can just say anyone who demands solely empathy for Kipperlilly and excuses her literal crimes and bass-ackwards world view because she's insecure and has anger issues, is probably also someone who has a history of weaponizing whatever minority status they may or may not occupy to talk over, silence, or harass people of color.

They're both just opinions. And also, like. Y'know. A bit much.

To engage in the long and rich tradition of measuring character trajectories against those in the Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon, let's compare Kipperlilly to Azula. Azula had an incredibly sympathetic backstory and untreated mental health issues. Azula was also a danger to herself and others, as well as profoundly manipulative and abusive (although, it was a children's show so Azula never killed anybody for whatever that's worth). Do I wish that fourteen-year-old girl had an Iroh-type in her life? Literally one adult who loved her genuinely and advocated for her best interests? Of course I do. I saw the Ember Island episode, I watched that one video essay! Does that mean it was any less satisfying to watch Zuko and Katara kick her absolute ass? No! And it was non-lethal anyway, children's show, duh.

That brings me to my other thing; Kipperlilly is a character in a fictive work that is not finished. And I know that point will age poorly, but I'm thinking it won't be the only one (hey-o). Remember the people that were calling The Bad Kids bullies? And then we learned that Kipperlilly hated Riz because his fucking dad fucking died?? And that was a full academic year before getting reanimated by a rage god?? I'll do a tame one; remember when Gilear wasn't cursed?? He was "just a guy"?? The show is serialized, gang, the world is still building! Clerickiller is not done yet, y'all need to let her cook! I'm sure we'll tune in next week to see her graduate from "unhinged" to "unaffiliated with the door frame or any frame-like structure". Reprimanding people on Tumblr will not change the trajectory of this character who, by the way, has not expressed remorse or any desire for a path other than violence. You look me in my black face after your blorbo slits a kid's throat and say "help her"?? Kipperlilly doesn't want get better right now, she wants one thing and that's for Kristen Applebees to go fuck herself and die!! You were there, you heard it!! When the fictional behavior changes, as it often does in stories, so will my opinion. There is no fore-forgiveness. Without an actual redemption arc I will continue to see the villain as a villain.

Speaking of, I think what some people have an issue with is the level of hate Kipperlilly's getting and how aggressive it is. But like.... isn't that allowed?? Because of all the stuff I said but also because like, mama said that it was okay! And by "mama" I mean Siobhan Thompson who said Kipperlilly belongs under the jail. Sure, in the real world, adults don't tell kids they belong in the ground that's crazy fucked up, but all these kids are played by adults and Emily as Fig joked that she was gonna smite the sixteen-year-old girl played by the thirty-something man. You're telling me the antagonist antagonizes the protagonists, and the protagonists go "boo, hiss" and then I, the audience, go "boo, hiss as well" but I'm wrong? I'm wrong, somehow, cool checks out.

"They're XP Levelling*punches a locker*!!"

"That girl is worse than Kalvaxus."

"Littledoggy Girlcollar"

Am I not engaging with the narrative on it's own terms if I say "i'd tell Clerickiller to die mad, but she clearly already did, Jojo Siwa head-ass, in reference to that fuck-ass ponytail and your toxic yuri" Do I need to draw a little caitmay-style OC to say it for me, would that be better?

God-forbid, we have fun? Must we discourse, always? FourDogs is tragic, FourDogs is compelling, FourDogs is Dani from 9th grade. She is Azula from Avatar and Clare from Fleabag and Brennan Lee Mulligan from my dreams and that is something that can be so personal. But no one else has to participate in your parasocial relationship. What's crazy is, I actually like Kipperlilly! As a character. I mean, the "trauma is privilege" obviously hit a nerve with me because of real life stuff, but the image of her over the rogue teacher's grave?? With a backhoe and a "gotcha, bitch" expression??? Come on, that is fresh-off-the-vine Cunt™. Even more so than I imagined that moment to be when we first heard about it. Her ending up in a Ragh or Aelwyn place would be way more satisfying than a Goldenrod or Penelope Everpetal place, BUT IT WILL ALSO be satisfying to see whatever Kipperlilly's version of the locked-in-a-chokehold-and-being-gaslit-into-thinking-you-shit-the-coach's-pants-scene is. In addition to the non-lethal ass-kicking that proceeds it.

Y'all can chuck the insinuation that something so clearly subjective is actually objective and has moral implications that make me bad, directly in the garbage. What is this, religion, hey-o.

Oh my god something about Kristin's face, just... It looks so *right* This is fantastic

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