What do you think of Willow Bowery's Tortured Poets book? Could it be Taylor?

just a swiftie trying to cash in

Taylor lived in London from November 2020 throughout 2021 and into 2022. There’s no way to positively say she wasn’t hanging out with Matty?! We have no idea what she was doing.

tea

After the nme awards in Feb 2020, Covid happened. There was no way Taylor was hanging out with Matty in 2020/21. More likely they reconnected in 2022 when both of them were working on their respective albums produced by Jack Antonoff.

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but she spent a bunch of time fantasizing ab him and longing for him that’s part of the story

Idk why but I thought you’d really hate this album. I didn’t think you’d like it 😭😭

i really like it!

i have explicitly said lover and rep remain untied to matty tho? who is associating lover and rep with him? // oh my b. i keep seeing it on tik tok and twitter now. they've completely gone to saying matty is entangled with rep and lover now.

read that

The only explanation is that Aaron is hiding isla the Kaylor basement baby from his son

sooooo true

shoutout to isla the basement baby manifest her coming on the pod

re: Tily: As far as we know matty wasnt around at the beginning of her relationship with joe; Lily was. All the time she spent with tily is still there. I agree with what youve been saying, cam, that she probably had a fling with matty in 2014 and then they stayed in contact for years but it didn't come back full force until the later half of her relationship with Joe. Snow on the Beach is still so tily to me,

tea! this album hasn’t changed any of my thoughts on tily at all!

Dm now also saying she agrees with a submission about retiring and marriage and babies and Clara bow running away. "Based on what she's heard that's accurate". I'm tired.

yes just like her and joe’s commitment ceremony cool

i'm not a kaylor but i do find it interesting (i swear the girls of celeb. memoir and their random tea on harvard girl and the guy saying kaylor did in fact happen has never left my brain) so idk. obviously matty happened back then too but to associate all of rep and lover to him is a lot. idk.

i have explicitly said lover and rep remain untied to matty tho? who is associating lover and rep with him?

…im going to need an explanation of robin stat before i go join ttb in delulu land because what could aaron possibly be keeping from his kid to protect him???

uhhh i thought it was really clear that they’re hiding how ugly and cruel the world is from him but he’ll learn in time. seems like something they just wrote plainly about aaron’s son robin no?

Oh dear God here we go again dm saying she thinks taylor and travis are secretly engaged.

oh COME ON

Tily :((

i don’t get why everyone is mourning tily. not a stitch of ttpd refutes it

so tily didn't happen? :(

i still think it did!

Also what if no one actually made the heroin with an e joke and taylor just thought of it and thought it was a smart like to add, I don’t think I can say the song is about matty just because of that line when the rest fits travis quite well

agreed

Not saying that tatty is far fetched because it’s basically been confirmed but it’s wild to accept the possibility of tatty but not like anything gaylor idk tatty just like proves how not everything about her relationships is public info

i agree! that's why i think all sorts of theories that swifties disallow should be in bounds. we don't really know what's going on in her head!

re: swiftgron and the 'if only' line. in Clean she does say 'windows boarded up after the storm' //// that line is from call it what you want, not clean. “windows boarded up after the storm he built a fire just to keep me warm” - that’s a joe song unfortunately. she played it for him acoustic in miss americana

oh right right you're right!

It is absolutely batshit that you don't believe in Swiftgron anymore. Like if it wasn't for that fandom you would be nothing. It's bullshit. You didn't deserve this platform, I'm done with you and your half baked, constant heteronormative ideas. Taylor IS queer, HAS been with Dianna and Karlie, amongst others, and she HAS and STILL DOES write songs about both K and D. They were huge muses for her in both good ways and bad. Get the fuck over yourself Cam.

it is absolutely batshit that SIX (6) posts ago I made a post saying I thought it was a good theory that I look in people's windows was about dianna and you're sending this. like what am I supposed to do with this insane strawman of myself you've sent that is blatantly contradicted by observable reality. as if I didn't drop a podcast episode defending gaylor as a concept in march. as if I don't say on the regular "I think kaylor and swiftgron are both good theories and don't think it's wrong for anyone to believe them" like what the actual fuck 😭

i say every other post and episode that I think taylor is bi with my whole chest and you're here screaming in my face with spit flying out "Taylor IS queer" like girl I KNOW??? i say she's queer CONSTANTLY???

pls i'm begging be done with me. please leave me alone. i loathe to have people who deep all this shit WAY too much around me. people like you need to take a step back and touch grass I'm sorry but I just can't with this insane shit. i don't understand why I have to teach people this but if you don't like something DON'T READ IT. DON'T ENGAGE. literally nothing is stopping you just go tf away.