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thatsonemorbidcorvid · 17 hours
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I bloody love reading a bit of feminist theory and then bringing choice quotes to radblr. It’s the gatherer instinct… I should try shoplifting, it’s epigenetic
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“I was and am my own act of faith. I can only believe the revolution is possible if I do it. The revolution is me.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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“Prostitution serves a complex political function. It is a symbol, or totem, to women of the alternative to the traditional female role. Mystery is essential to symbolic potency…
Men wish the realities of prostitution concealed because of what such a study would reveal about them. Women fear it, because they fear some revelation about the true nature of the political position of all women.
Men and women seem to have reached a tacit agreement to conceal prostitution out of sight, but not out of mind. Thus, prostitution is in all countries either illegal, in which case it must operate underground, or it is legal and segregated, which serves the same political purpose.
Thus, prostitution has not been studied, first, because no one has wanted to know about it, and, second, because its concealment makes such a study by standard methods extremely difficult.
It seems clear, however, that to all women concerned with improving their situation as women, an understanding of prostitution is essential…
Prostitution is key to any economic analysis of women. It is key to any political analysis of the class of women. And, finally, and most important, prostitution is key to any adequate analysis of the structure of the male-female class relationship.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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“The definition of a revolutionary seems to me, from a moral point of view, to be obvious: one whose behavior is determined by what should be. The first step in changing bad conditions is to reject them. One must wash the blood off one's own hands before suggesting, with much credibility, that others do likewise… Each of us is the revolution.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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“Men often threaten feminists that, if we're not careful, men will organize. They already are. It's called the Establishment.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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“One way of defining oppressed people is just this — that we are so violated by another group/groups as to deprive us of our humanity. Our mental processes are absorbed, so that choice and evolution are denied us. We are not discrete. We are not unique. Our time and activities are used, not to the end of each of our unique constructions, but as parts and additions to other individual's ends. It is consistent with freedom for all if individuals "use" each other as perceptions or phenomena. It is not consistent with freedom for all when some individuals, "Oppressors," violate the discretion of other individuals by appropriating their, the "Oppressed," time and capacities to the fulfillment of the Oppressor.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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Susan Hawthorne’s In Defence of Separatism includes a chapter analysing the seven ‘forms of power’ identified by de Crespigny, insofar as they are represented in men’s power over women. I found this really interesting, and worth sharing, though there’s too much text to share the whole thing in a post. So I’m going to try and summarise her points here - but please bear in mind I am not a philosophy scholar, far from it, and this may be inaccurate or contain misinterpretation as a result. I’m going to try my best.
So, the seven forms of power according to de Crespigny, 1970:
Coercive power
Inducive power
Reactional power
Impedimental power
Legitimate power
Attrahent power
Persuasive power
Hawthorne analyses these as follows:
Coercive power: Someone using or threatening to use his power, in order to make someone else comply with his wishes. This could mean using physical force, or deprivation of access to resources. The example Hawthorne gives is domestic violence (using power), and victims’ reluctance to reveal domestic violence for fear of further attack (consequence of the threat of power). She adds that every time the powerful individual wields this power successfully, it empowers him and disempowers his victim.
Inducive power: Someone complying with a powerful person’s wishes because she believes she will benefit by complying. This benefit could be a reward, or the withdrawal of a threat/deprivation. This benefit may or may not materialise. Hawthorne gives the example of marriage, for security and social benefits. She argues that even if this is perceived as a choice, it’s not a free choice, so the complying individual’s autonomy is impaired and they lose power.
Reactional power: Someone complying with a powerful person/institution because of her beliefs about that person/institution, particularly when she refrains from doing what she would have done otherwise. One of the examples Hawthorne gives is someone refraining from behaving as she wishes at work, because she believes this would prevent her from getting a promotion.
Impedimental power: When a powerful person/institution puts obstacles or impediments in the way of a less powerful person. Hawthorne extends the example above - when the woman is in fact not promoted as a result of her behaviour, or due to discrimination against women generally.
Legitimate power: The ‘right’ to command and be obeyed. This is the power of law and government. Even if the powerless individual disagrees with the powerful individual/institution, she obeys because she believes their power is legitimate. The example Hawthorne gives is the woman successfully suing her employer for discrimination, where the power is in the hands of the law/court, and should be obeyed by the employer.
Attrahent power: Power resulting from wanting to be like, or be liked by, a more powerful individual. Hawthorne gives the example of a person complying with the wishes of someone she loves, just because she loves him. She notes this isn’t always a destructive or conflict-inducing form of power.
Persuasive power: This is split into rational persuasive power - where someone gives information and reasonable arguments to persuade someone else to comply with their wishes - and non-rational persuasive power - where someone gives misinformation, deception, or emotive arguments to persuade someone else to comply. Hawthorne gives the example of safe and accurate contraceptive education for the former, and dangerous advice to induce miscarriage for the latter.
I’ve found it interesting, since reading this book, to consider where and how the various forms of power appear in my life, so I thought it was worth sharing them in case others found this interesting too. Please feel free to add examples, or if any of you are more informed and would like to explain further/better or correct this please go ahead.
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a lot of men really just seem to want to be able to victimize women without women getting upset about it. they'll say that women who take safety precautions have victim complexes, but then say the same thing about women who don't take those safety precautions. i saw this recently in the context of female travelers.
first, i saw a video of a woman demonstrating safety precautions to take on cruises, doing stuff like hooking things to her door to stop it from being opened, clipping the curtains shut, etc. personally, i don't feel the need to those things, and i feel like it's probably a diminishing returns situation- once you've done the obvious stuff like locking the door, any extra steps probably won't help you that much. but if it makes her sleep better, then there's no harm.
second, i saw a video of a woman talking about how she roadtripped in a foreign country with a couple of male travelers she met online. so the total opposite of the first woman, in the sense that she did something i think very few women would be willing to do.
the male comments on both videos were pretty similar, though. they both focused on women's so-called obsession with being victims. the first woman is paranoid, fixated on the idea of being a victim. one commenter wrote "me watching her do all this shit when i'm already hiding inside her room." the message is that women's precautions are silly and ultimately useless, if men really want to hurt us. comments on the second video contained a lot of assumptions that the second woman must have paid for her trip with sex. but many of the commenters were saying things like, "women will do things like this and cry victim, you wanted to be victimized." so they're acknowledging that being alone with random men is in fact dangerous for women. the second woman is a dumb slut who deserves what's coming to her.
i think men are, by and large, pretty aware of how men treat women. they acknowledge this with the argument that women need men to protect them (from other men). they treat male violence as a fact of nature that shouldn't reflect badly on men as a group, and shouldn't make women distrust men - except when a woman does trust men, no, that's wrong too. there's no correct way to behave that will make you a "good" victim, or a reasonable person, in their eyes, and i think that's the goal. if a woman's hurt, it's her fault. if she's afraid of getting hurt, it's her fault. the man is never the one at fault.
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i don’t rlly understand why so many people want kids and why wanting kids is seen as the default and not wanting kids especially as a woman is seen as unusual but also i guess there need to be enough people who want to raise an entire human being from scratch to keep the species going. but it feels like something that should be more of a niche interest. like religion
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“The Oppressor, first, fosters and develops his own class consciousness in response to some perceived common characteristic in the class he later oppresses. The oppressor class is, thus, in a sense, determined by negation.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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Every so often I’ll be at an event listening to feminist campaigners speak, and a woman in the audience will ask about how to raise sons. How to raise sons in the wake of #MeToo, in the wake of the latest femicide, in the wake of yet another exposé of sexual violence in war zones, in the wake of so many women hurt and killed by men. And I just want to say to these women, who are so worried about raising their sons, that I don’t believe any mothers of evil men raised them with the intention that they would one day rape and torture and kill women. And even if they had, those men’s actions are their own and their own responsibility. Mothers are not responsible for the atrocities of their sons. Mothers are not responsible for patriarchy.
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a lot of men really just seem to want to be able to victimize women without women getting upset about it. they'll say that women who take safety precautions have victim complexes, but then say the same thing about women who don't take those safety precautions. i saw this recently in the context of female travelers.
first, i saw a video of a woman demonstrating safety precautions to take on cruises, doing stuff like hooking things to her door to stop it from being opened, clipping the curtains shut, etc. personally, i don't feel the need to those things, and i feel like it's probably a diminishing returns situation- once you've done the obvious stuff like locking the door, any extra steps probably won't help you that much. but if it makes her sleep better, then there's no harm.
second, i saw a video of a woman talking about how she roadtripped in a foreign country with a couple of male travelers she met online. so the total opposite of the first woman, in the sense that she did something i think very few women would be willing to do.
the male comments on both videos were pretty similar, though. they both focused on women's so-called obsession with being victims. the first woman is paranoid, fixated on the idea of being a victim. one commenter wrote "me watching her do all this shit when i'm already hiding inside her room." the message is that women's precautions are silly and ultimately useless, if men really want to hurt us. comments on the second video contained a lot of assumptions that the second woman must have paid for her trip with sex. but many of the commenters were saying things like, "women will do things like this and cry victim, you wanted to be victimized." so they're acknowledging that being alone with random men is in fact dangerous for women. the second woman is a dumb slut who deserves what's coming to her.
i think men are, by and large, pretty aware of how men treat women. they acknowledge this with the argument that women need men to protect them (from other men). they treat male violence as a fact of nature that shouldn't reflect badly on men as a group, and shouldn't make women distrust men - except when a woman does trust men, no, that's wrong too. there's no correct way to behave that will make you a "good" victim, or a reasonable person, in their eyes, and i think that's the goal. if a woman's hurt, it's her fault. if she's afraid of getting hurt, it's her fault. the man is never the one at fault.
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“The price of clinging to the enemy is your life.
To enter into a relationship with a man who has divested himself as completely and publicly from the male role as possible would still be a risk.
But to relate to a man who has done any less is suicide.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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“One of the central problems for all members of oppressed groups is self-hatred… If any individual spends most of her time dealing with the ways in which members of her class are abused, it's unlikely that she will be able to maintain too much of a positive attitude either toward herself or toward other members of her class.”
- Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey
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Rest in Peace to 11 year old Jayden Perkins, who was stabbed to death while protecting his pregnant mother from a former boyfriend who had just gotten off parole. Jayden loved dancing and theater, and had a lead role in several school plays.
His mother was attacked as well but is fortunately expected to survive.
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