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necrothezma · 1 year
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I know I shouldn't give these kinds of people the time of day or any attention but I'm just like ... How do you think like. How do you think like this. what is your thought process of " it's a fictional character so they can't be a child or teenager " like ??? I think they're just trying to defend ns//fw of children because hurr duhh uhhh durr fiction doesn't affect reality I can draw horribly disgusting things of a 14 year old character because it doesn't hurt anyone it's not a REAAL child !!1!!
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weaselbeaselpants · 6 months
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Legit Bad-take/Bad-Faith Helluvaverse critics you should not trust if you see them
Interpersonal squabbles within the critical tag are irrelevant, sorry. This here is a genuine warning against users you should keep your distance from in regards to any VivziePop drama-discourse because their names may come up and you should know what it is that crossed the line.
Starlatte/Starvader/HonestHazbinCritiques/OhGodDude and Woomycritiques/RaySquid - Serial harasser(s). Long story incoming. Starlatte was/is a Vivcritical who got involved in the fandom back in 2019/2020 when she was a minor and didn't tell anyone. Her blog on tumblr was HonestHazbinCritiques where she made some good points but also managed to find/be a part of everyone else's takes in the critical community. Her relationship with several criticalblogs turned sour when she started lashing out, talking over people, being accused of faking her age, and doing stuff like arguing with irl sexworkers abt how they should feel about Angel Dust. Whatever her age actually was at the time, she was also sending her own rewrite scripts and fanwritten episodes to Spindlehorse in order to 'fix' Hazbin. In 2021 Star returned to Tumblr under the name "Oh-God-Dude" w/o disclosing to new people who she was while also starting shit. When said new ppl found out her past and got mad at her, she proceeded to block-backtalk every one of them.
Woomycritiques (twitter handle: Raysquid) is a critical blogger who stans Star and calls everyone else in the critical community an obsessed stalker while lashing out herself. She accused others of racism (unfounded), her friends of predation just for being proship (not the 'cest and underage is good'-kind, the "I like some problematic stuff in fic-context"-kind), and heckled Dirgentlemen over how much they should hate Helluva, and more.
Regardless of if you believe Woomy and Star are the same person, which ppl do, they are both -by now- adult persons who have been asked to stop and DIDN'T, which is why people don't trust them. Star and Woom were asked to tone it down, stop making accusations and even asked by many criticals to leave and stop talking about Helluvaverse as she/they seem to have nothing good to say about it. To put that into perspective, cuz I know some HH/HB fans are gonna be reading this: the people who've self-styled themselves antis and criticals begged this person to leave cuz she had nothing nice to say and was being a nuisance. I know the stans think that's all of us anyway, so let that sink in.
LincarRox aka ToyTaker - Creep. Nasty jealous stalker freak who got kicked out of Helluvaverse servers and Aminos for saying nasty shit like how he "wants to put a baby" in Viv. No really. He took his shit and grievances to BadWebComics wiki under the name TheToyTaker while also seemingly trying to get work at Spindlehorse in order to have access to Viv directly and to 'fix' her show. He did so by faking his animation portfolio. BWW did eventually catch on and kick him out but yeah....bad. May or may not still be going under his old pseudonyms, but regardless if you see someone talking weirdly sexually abt Viv while saying they were "let go" both by SH and BWW, get out now. That's probably him.
Animation Call-Out - Bigoted shitlord. Twitter user who rags on Vivz' controversies w other people but also hates gays and BIPOCs. Admitted to submitting one of the anonymous reviews against Spindlehorse "for fun" amidst legitimate ex-employees. All of the reviews, even the ones that seem the most validating/believable should be taken with a grain of salt I believe especially since they are coming to us anonymously, but when a racist person admits to def being one of those fake reviews for "Lolz" sake, that's def when shit's hit the fan.
DoodleToons - Also bigoted creeperlooser. Altright white kid who hates BIPOC existing in anything and admits to hating Viv's stuff for their LGBTisms and 'demons'. Yes, there legit are bad-faith critics who are homophobic. Just because Viv and her crew have a way of saying that's EVERY critic of her work doesn't mean there aren't shitty people out there.
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thebottomfromhell · 13 days
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Hi, i would like to request a hantengu clones (you can add zohakuten or original hantengu) x (any gender) reader, so reader is (most of the time or maybe all the time) really really nice but something had snapped inside reader, they/he/she go all mad because of an argument or maybe something had happened with someone they had bumped into.
I will use GN for this one, I hope nobody minds. I also disn't know if this meant individually, but I took it as if you wanted a drabble... I hope I was right and that you like this work.
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GN nice reader snaps at the Hantengu Clones (ft. Hantengu) after a bad day
Warnings: Polyamory, Implied Self-cest (due a poly, nothing about it actually there), Angst.
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You don't like too much attention or to cause trouble, you also hate treating others badly, even when they deserve it. For all of that, more often than not you tend to hold your tongue and keep your mouth shut everytime you get angry, and if the situation doesn't get better you leave the space and go back the second you manage to calm down. Sometimes it works better than others, there are still time you got to face the situation still angry, but having your time and space always help.
Today, though? It was a nightmare. It seemed everything and everyone today needed you urgently, didn't give you any time to even eat or drink something, and for some reason more than one people had the urge to talk back to you today for stupid things. Now you are tired, hungry, resented... this doesn't help. This days has already ended, you are unsatisfied about it, yet, you don't have it in you to do something about it.
It doesn't help that you know what is waiting for you at home, Hantengu and his clones. Don't misunderstand, you adore these guys, to the point you are in a romantic relationship with the clones, sometimes you even feel like the owner of a harem with them around, but... they are pretty handy. Not only by their nature of being a human flesh eating demon that burns under the sun, but the fact that they are the personification of an specific emotion each, some even opposites to each others. Because of that, the fact that they act up on that emotion and clash with each other is to be expected, so you are the one who must put order in your own home.
So you sigh as you get home, contemplating just... staying outside or going to an inn to spend the night. You can imagina already Karaku and Sekido making a mess in their arguments, Urogi clinging to you, Hantengu sobbing with no end and and Aizetsu... well, Aizetsu will not do anything wrong but he also won't be helpful at all, and you are not in position to really care about it.
Then, the door opens and you need to swallow a groan of frustration when Urogi comes out and gets on top of you. "Y/N! Y/N! You're home!" Usually you would find this endearing and cute, but you are not in the mood. "Yeah, I'm home..." you say tired as you support yourself with the wall as you get in, not even bothering in closing the door behind you. If someone or something gets in then there is a demon to face, not that it matters. "Welcome." You nod at it, too tired to actually answer, even worse with Urogi on top of you. Aizetsu tilts his head but he doesn't say anything else, just close his eyes and keep himself to and for himself. Most likely bracing himself for the next part.
"You DISGUSTING PIG! I'l KILL YOU, Karaku!" You hear ceramics break, well, there goes a tea cup. "C'mon, Sekido. We both know you are just jealou-" the sound of flesh being penetrated and a liquid splashing in a surface interrupt him, and now you gotta clean your kitchen. Oh joy, that is sarcasm. Usually, you would try to ask what is going on and intervene before they break something actually vauable or needed in the household, but right now you are becoming every time more frustrated. "Eeeeeck! It wasn't me! It wasn't me!"
Breath... count to ten... anything... just don't- "CUT IT OUT, FUCKING-!" you shut yourself up before finishing the sentence, making everyone look at you, making you feel embarrased, making the anger fade away into a more miserable feeling. You want to cry, scream into a pillow, be comforted, to sleep, to eat. You don't want this. Why is your day hoing so bad? "I'm sorry..." you whisper as you cower away, face a bit heated, eyes a bit blurry and throat with a knot that starts to fill your nose with the need to sob.
Urogi gets off you to see you as the others also get close, minus Hantengu, he keeps cowering away, but at least has the decency to cover his own sobs. "Y/N, are you ok?" "Shhhh, shhh, babe, it's ok. Let's go to sit down." Aizetsu is the one who grab you and guide you to sit as the other stares. "Stay here. I'll bring tea." But you don't want tea, amd that sounded ungrateful to yourself. There is a moment that the only noise are your contained sobs as the other clones see you, making you cover your face with your hands put of shame, only rubbing your nose and eyes.
"Karaku. Urogi. Take some steps back!" They do, giving you a bit more of space. "Bad day?" He ask, softer, to you, as you can only nod with the soreness in your throat and the lack of trust you have in not starting to cry right away. "Is there anything we can do?" You shake your head as Aizetsu puts the tea in fron mt of you and Karaku streches a hand to pat your back. You stay like this for a while, until you fall asleep with them tryibg to comfort you.
It really sucked.
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romana-after-dark · 4 months
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Interesting how your dead dove December has stipulations based on incest, beastiality, and underage. So some dark content is permitted, but not other? It seems like you’re picking which dark content is ‘appropriate’… almost like that’s the content you romanticize and justify…
Yes, some content is permitted and other are not. We are allowed have rules.
I think really the only thing to say here is it's *my event*
There's lots to discuss as far as limits and what dark is okay and what isn't blah blah blah, and that's fine. You can debate back and forth on what should be censored and what shouldn't, what's okay to fanticise about and what isn't, but I'm not making this judgement.
However, I am reading everything for this event, I am reblogging everything, and I will be putting everything on a masterlist. all these fics will be tied to be.
Call me crazy that I don't want my name tied to underage content.
I am well aware that there is a certain group that really hates my work. I am aware that several people have told me The Wrong Way is the darkest Joel they've ever read, both as a compliment and as a insult. I've been called psychotic for that series. And that's fine. Joel *is* romanticized by little one, and that comes out in the writing as its from her POV. Yeah, I get that TWW, Blessed be the Fruit, Guard Dog, ETC romanticze abuse, rape, violence etc. Sure.
But this is my event.
I am comfortable with non con, vore, monsterfucking, step-cest, watersports, self harm ETC.
I am not comfortable with beastiality, incest, or underage.
We can go back and forth about censorship or what should and shouldnt be allowed, fantesy vs. reality and all that, but ultimately, I am allowed to draw lines for my personal comfort.
If you have a problem with my dark content, you can tell me why and what your issues are. Thats fine. But being mad at me for having boundaries is strange.
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caddy-crystal-queen · 4 months
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So apparently there are marvel fans that need to be slapped...welp I need something to bitch about while I wait for House of the Dragon to come back on so why the fuck not?
So...on this mornings episode of fans that need to be slapped: Some Loki Fans.
Oh I'm not gonna make any friends with this one but I think that's okay because there's VERY little in the MCU that I care about (really only Moon Knight and maybe Dr. Strange...).
Anyway...
Let me just start this off by saying if you're a loki/mobius shipper or a loki/sylvie shipper who dumps on either side's ship, congrats, you're officially an asshole!
"Oh I'm SaD tHaT mY sHiP iSn'T cAnOn, BuT aT lEaSt YoU dIdNt GeT wHaT yOu WaNtEd EiThEr!!!!"
*slaps, clean in the face, Back. Of. The. Hand!*
Congratulations you're a fucking asshole! There's your prize!
What the hell even are you? Five years old? You're fighting over ships like they're fucking toys instead of, gee, I don't know, FICTIONAL. FUCKING. CHARACTERS! Get a fucking grip, seriously.
Grow. The fuck. Up.
This bullshit right here is what's killing Fandom right now. It's not the lack of support for artists, but the Fandom is tearing each other down over insignificant bullshit that doesn't even fucking matter. Do you really have nothing going on in your life to the point where you have to shit on things other people like? You realize that makes you a bully right? Is your life seriously so fucking boring that you take delight in this childish nonsense? God's I can't wait for some of yall to hit your 30s so hopefully you'll see what an idiot you were...
Because look, no matter whether you ship Loki/Mobius or Loki/Sylvie, here's a little truth nugget for ya. Come here, I'll whisper it in your ear...
NEITHER OF YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!
Happy now?
Congrats, all of you should be/are fucking miserable. All of you should be pissed and burning the showrunners in effigy! I know I fucking would if I thought this shit mattered that much.
And I don't wanna hear any bullshit about how "Oh well sylki is wrong because self-cest" or some bullshit. I don't care. Keep your bullshit ass "morality" out of Fandom. I've said it many times on this blog and I will continue to say it: Fandom activities DO NOT determine one's morality. Use. Your. God. Damn. Brain!
And even if you wanna play the stupid morality card: well wasn't mobius apart of an organization that was actively against the free will of everyone in the MCU? Like seriously, he's not that innocent either. I don't know the dudes backstory and I don't care to know it, but in my eyes thats a little fucking worse in my opinion.
Look the point is, neither of you guys got what you wanted, the ending was disappointing, and this is why I don't watch most TV anymore. Ever since the ending of GoT, happy endings in media have become increasingly rare. I'm beginning to wonder if they're even really allowed anymore at this point. I'm sorry but I really think the Loki Fandom needs to come together and support each other rather than tearing each other down over nonsense that doesn't even matter and kicking each other while they're down is seriously shitty behavior.
Because seriously, that shit is why people are leaving Fandoms and actively killing them.
Anyway yeah, you guys needed a slap and a big fucking reality check. Peace and love, I'm out peeps.
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jlf23tumble · 1 year
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Fic Rec Anon - The best fics are deleted?!? No…
Canon, AU, Older or Newer, No ABO, No Mpreg.
Allstars? As in greatest of the greats? Yes please.
I loved Balm that you rec’d and that recent Oli fic. Of Mates and Men too.
Yeah, some of the very best authors have opted to delete, and rightfully so--fanfic is a gift, and if people are gonna be assholes, well, then no gifts! And I fully support any author who makes that move. I tend to download my faves so I can read them later, it just means that when I go look for a bookmark, it's sad to see the whole "this fic was deleted" (paraphrasing) notification..thank god I jot down author and fic name! Anyway, I digress, you have an ask, and I have a rather lengthy answer that I'll put under the cut:
So yeah, I use collections for bookmarks, and two of them are all-stars, the greatest of the great, so this was a relatively easy ask to answer, thanks to past me. The trick was editing back: each collection has close to 100 faves, so I decided to go with a theme. Welcome to the 21 club, I'm going to give you 21 all-star AUs and 21 all-star canons! To cheat, I went with different authors in both categories, and I picked authors whose work I love across the board, so do yourself a favor and go check out everything else they wrote, too--tbh, these were some REALLY hard choices to make!!
CANON
Self-cest, @jaerie, 2k. Is as it says!
Us, Me, We, @homosociallyyours, 2.3k. More self-cest!
No Control, thegirlwthekittentattoo, 2.6k. The bra's name is Christi, with an i!
she makes you want her love, enbyharry/ @non-binharry, 2.7k. BLs can't take this top!harry!
Feel my breath upon your thighs, cuckootrooke/ @larrydoinglaundry, 3k. This happened!
Want It Tonight, @lovingstheantidote, 3.4k. Teach me!
like craters in the moon, orphan_account, 3.9k. Dimple kink!
She Feels so Good, zedi, 4k. Late Late Show antics!
Fertile Ground, blaaake, 4.4k. If you've read Balm, come on!
mon petit, little one, publunchesownmyass, 5.6k. That sweater!
Google Says Cut That Out, littlemousling, 6k. Baby bdsm!
You Don't Need Me to Show the Way, loadedgunn, 6.5k. Tourbus shenanigans!
Only Thing That Can Quench My Thirst, eyesofshinigami, 6.5k. My beloved pubes fic!
One day to believe in you, mediaville, 7.7k. To tell the truth!
no one's gonna know, @jishlerfics, 9k. Oh, they'll know!
give you my fever, beautlouis, 10k. A literal virgin!
Temporary Tattoos, Hotel Hearts, Horizon Homes, teumessian, 17k. The only time travel fic I love!
The bootyverse is expanding series, yeah_alright/ @uhoh-but-yeah-alright, 21k. Every story, a GEM!
yeah, he's a looker, @thedevilinmybrain, 40k. Oli's sex-related errands!
Time Passed, coffinofachimera, 66k. A heart-clencher!
AU
It's About Time, @kingsofeverything, 3.5k. Older and clueless!
With Just One Look, @littleroverlouis, 4k. Vampire Louis!
sensitive to pressure, momentofclarity/ @gaycousinlarry, 4.4k. I want moreeeeeeeee sweat kink!
this is my jam, @disgruntledkittenface, 4.5k. '90s bath house!
Copy of a…, nonsensedarling/ @absoloutenonsense, 5.5k. Return of the clone-a-willy!
Make Me Feel, @bananaheathen, 10k. Can u believe this was mid-omam!
Tuxedo Dress-Up, blaaake, 11k. Hands down, my very fave!
into another (another) serotonin overflow, mercutionotromeo, 11k. So much goin' on!
A Slow and Steady Rush, godots, 11k. The title matches the vibes!
it ain't trickin' if ya got it, sarcasticfluentry, 10k. UNPARALLELED smut writer!
Thought the Song Was Sung, 100percentsassy, 12k. The banter!
Alien Roadtrip!, @helloamhere, 16k. Is as it says!
Ever Since I Tried Your Way, flowercrownfemme, 25k. 1940s dreaminess!
Take Our Bodies Higher, @littlelouishiccups, 26k. Phone sex operator Harry!
Buried Like Treasure, QuickedWeen/ @becomeawendybird, 40k. This heist, plus some Marcel!
hush., wankerville, 41k. The SWOON of this story, holy shit, it's cinematic.
Tied Down, HamPalpert, 48k. This absolutely SHOULD be a movie!
Harry Styles Cooks…, sunsetmog, 61k. A wip that'll never finish, but who cares, god tier as is!
Not That Gone series, abrighteryellow/ @a-brighter-yellow, 66k. High school reunion results!
Turning Page, purpledaisy, 67k. Another movie I wanna see!
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my rebuttal: sans and the onceler both experienced the most chaotic level of sexymanification, that being self-cest, and while the onceler was the og and paved the way for many others, sans had enough of a reach that he is a worthy contender
cecil also exhibits a core feature of the classic tumblr sexyman, which is the 'white blonde twink fanart saturation' (see bill cipher, wheatley, etc.) and was in fact one of the first major examples of that phenomenon, making him a historic staple, reigen on the other hand, while being beloved around the site, just gained notoriety a bit too late to really fall into any sexyman tropes, the way that people approach characters they love on this site has shifted enough over time that the reaction to him barely qualifies as sexymanification, and there's little about him that really screams tumblr sexyman. he is our blorbo in the same way that saul goodman is, not in the way that the onceler was
yeah but i think the onceler sexyfication was insaner bc there was literally no source or reason for it other than he had a kinda cool villain song and had the looks of an average 12 old's dreamboat. sans had like. semi normal reasons for his sexyfication
and yeah i agree i think reigen was entered into the poll more on the merits of being "the internet sex symbol" than your average tumblr sexyman however i do want to remind everyone that people were extremely weird about reigen in 2016. it was a thing that happened lest we forget ekurei and all the unironic reigen thirst
also the tumblr sexyman poll is v explicitly a rematch of the twitter one and i just think it would be funny if reigen won this time. just so he can finally rest
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manofmanymons · 2 months
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You got any ships that'd have people side eying you?
Uuuuuuh out of any fandom ever? Short answer: yes.
Long answer: it's a little complicated what I would define as a ship for me bc when it comes to ships I actively ship and actually think should kith I have incredibly few. But when it comes to ships where someone else will be like "these two are cute together" and I'll go "yeah I see it" and maybe rt/rb a post about them it's like...almost any ship. Y'all have watched me write hcs for almost every mix and match combination of almost every character in Survive even though I have like,,,two ships from that game. And also what some people consider side eye worthy is different from what I do.
Like,,,for example, I know I've said it before, but I don't think human x digimon ships are inherently weird. I think it varies on a partner-to-partner basis. I've seen a lot of people in gg fandom ship Ruli and Angoramon or Kiyo and Jellymon and...yeah I think that's fine. But no one ships Hiro and Gammamon because that would be weird. And I don't think I really have to explain what the difference there is. But I know for some people it's just a hard no across the board lmao.
Probably the only ship I actively ship rn that people think is weird is, for reasons I will never understand, ThomAya. For those of you not in Genshin fandom they're just a classic cute longtime best friends to lovers ship that some people unironically think is incest because Ayaka told one person one time that Thoma is kind of like a second brother to her. These same people will turn around and ship him with her actual brother tho which...what? Like if you actually think they're related or whatever how would that not, in your eyes, also make him related to her brother I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU PEOPLE. I digress.
OH OH OH NOT TO KEEP GENSHINNING BUT FUN FACT I totally got canceled on twitter for shipping kaether back when it was implied but not explicitly confirmed yet that Aether's an adult so the "Traveler is literally minor-coded" crowd came for my ass. I tragically got blocked by one of my only mutuals who liked Digimon back then over that shit lakfdjak. Like sorry for assuming a character who had "seen the birth and death of stars" but is kinda short was at least 18. I was right though.
I know a lot of my KH ships are side eye worthy because they'll be between characters who have literally never met (i.e. most mix and match combos of the characters who are Nobodies of or replicas of or the embodiment of darkness extracted from the other major characters). Some of them are between characters who, despite literally having entire arcs dedicated to establishing that they are NOT the same person, people will still point at and call self-cest. (i.e. shipping Roxas with Sora or Xion). So again I genuinely don't think they're weird, but I know other people do.
I've seen people say it's weird to ship Pao-Lin and Lara in Tiger & Bunny because of their "age difference." They are 16 and 14. Sue me.
Here's a special segment for things I shipped in middle and high school that no one thought was weird back then but would DEFINITELY get a side eye in 2024.
I was a sebaciel shippper when I was like,,,12. Would I still ship it today? Probably no. But hey it was 2013 and I'm pretty sure the show WANTED you to ship them.
Almost any hetalia ship. I am not even joking, almost every character in that entire show was related somehow or another. It was like 2015. I was not immune to smashing pretty characters together and shouting "now kiss." I also was not doing deep dives into whether or not the immortal personifications of countries were technically related or had age gaps, I'm sorry.
Totally shipped Yoichi and Gekkouin from OnS. I mean my main ship was kimiyoi but multishippping is real. To be honest it was just a classic case of being a teenager and shipping the character I related to with the character I thought was hot. It was not any deeper than that.
TLDR: if any of y'all do now or ever have shipped anything weird, I'm not gonna judge you for it. I literally do not have the right to.
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a-student-out-of-time · 8 months
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Wow, that anon was an asshole. Seriously, how is Hajime a self insert, and how is it self-cest?! And why is it bad to give Hibiki a happy ending with a great character arc? She deserves better. At this rate, I think people are just looking for random reasons to insult blog mods and make up non existent issues so they have something to complain about, it’s absolutely ridiculous.
Don’t listen to those guys. I really love your work, keep it up!
//Oh yeah, I wasn't even upset. It was such a hilariously bad rebuttal I had to pick it apart : P
//I'll keep doing what I'm doing, no worries ^^
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crumbedtuna · 8 months
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Hello, welcome today we are talking about why Estarossa x Mael is wrong and shouldn't exist :3
Why Estarossa X Mael is wrong
Ok, so you guys may have heard of the ship, Estarossa x Mael right?
Yeah well, that ship is bad. It’s basically self-cest since they are the same person...I hate Estarossa x Mael.
Anyway, here are my reasons why this ship is wrong.
Reason 1
If you have read the manga and/or have seen the anime, we know that the original gowther(the blonde gowther in the wheelchair) brainwashed everyone into thinking Mael was Estarossa and that Mael was dead/Estarossa killed him and well psychologically it is wrong since Estarossa is everything Mael hates/hated and Mael saw demons as scum. So, he ended up becoming a demon. And it is also way out of Mael’s character and story…And also Estarossa was a sadist, though I love Mael and Estarossa, just the ship is disgusting, and I feel like throwing up from seeing, hearing or even thinking about it…
Reason 2(Given to me by @Zenirusillust)
Mael has trauma from his time as Estarossa, the regrets of harming his fellow archangels, harming Elizabeth, and hurting people who didn't deserve it.
Reason 3(Also given to me by @Zenirusillust)
Estarossa shows clear hatred for most goddess, and when he talked about killing Mael he was quite enthusiastic about the feat.
Reason 4(Also given to me by @Zenirusillust)
The two being the same person means they share the same DNA, if the first three weren't enough.
         Reason 5(Also given to me by @Zenirusillust)
Estarossa and Mael are meant to be opposites, and not in the kind that attract sense. Both are what the other despises and the only thing they really share is their love for Elizabeth.
Reason 6(Also given to me by @Zenirusillust)
Also, Mael was willing to let himself die due to his actions as Estarossa, shipping them at this point is vile, Mael was pretty much going to die due to Estarossa.
Word count:331
(Thanks to @Zenirusillust for giving me most of the reasons on this topic lol)
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Week Three Update!
Well, we've cleared three weeks of sign-ups for the Hoziernatural Multi-Ship Bang!
We've already talked to you about all of the variety coming in with the favorite characters and ships, but let's talk about favorite tropes!
(below the cut, in alphabetical order)
2-Person Love Triangle
A/B/O
Accidental Pregnancy
Adventure
Age Difference
Ambiguous Relationship
Americana
Amnesia/Memory Loss
Angel/Demon Relationship
Angst/Hurt
Angst & Fluff
Angst w/ Happy Ending
Anything Cheesey
Apocalypse
Atypical Relationships
AUs
AU - Coffee Shop
AU - Crossover
AU - Fantasy
AU - Historical
AU - Human
AU - Mafia
AU - Magical
AU - Modern
AU - Soulmates
AU - Space
AU - Western
Awkward First Time
Blood/Gore
Break Up/Reconciliation
Canon Adjacent
Canon Divergence
Canonverse
Case Fic
Character Studies
Cheating
Childhood Friends
Childhood Sweethearts
Co-Dependency
Comedy
Crack
Creature/Monster Fic
Cuddling for Warmth
Darkfic
Dead Dove
Dean - Trans!Dean (ftm)
Dean - Stanford Era!Dean
Different First Meeting
Dimension/Universe Travel
Domestic Fic
Dreamwalking
Early Seasons
Empty Fic
Endverse
Enemies to Friends
Enemies to Friends to Lovers
Enemies to Lovers
Episode Fic
Epistolary Fic
Everybody Knows (But Them)
Everybody Lives/Nobody Dies
Fake Dating/Marriage
Fix-It
Fluff
Forbidden Romance
Friends to Lovers
Friends with Benefits to Lovers
Fuck or Die
Gen Fic
Gender Exploration
Glasses!Character
Guilt
Happy Ending
Hauntings
Heaven Fic
Hijinks
Holiday Fic
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weaselbeaselpants · 7 months
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Since I don't want to link it back to two scenarios so...um...immediate, I'll just say; the "Suffering just makes you hurt"-mantra is one I def subscribe to in day to day life, even in small, trivial' things like fandomwars.
I had a person get pissed at me once cuz I defended antishippers. They explained and showed me how they'd been harassed and abused by antis for no reason other than calling themselves a proshiper - no, NOT for actually liking anything with r@pe/cest/p3doshipping - just Reylo *in theory*. They got treated like a literal predator not for anything they actually did but for the title that genuine creeps have decided to use for their kink as this person did for their safe shit and they got blasted for it....and then this person proceeded to call me a cword and accused me of condoning their abuse by proxy of me saying " I don't think antis are inherently evil, actually".
I get it. When you put up with harassment from people touting their selfdeclared fandomom as some kind of badge of honor, of COURSE I understand turning your back on everyone who calls themselves that same thing! That's just, like, a survival instinct. You don't want to be reminded of your tormentor(s) because you really shouldn't have to be reminded of your tormentor(s) while you're browsing fandumb inbetween school or work. You want to keep your tormentors at bay so no triggering shit ppl are romanticizing or covert bigotry someone's hiding under the language of criticism to get in the way of your vibes when this is your fandom and your space to be creative and unwind and be you. I really get it.
The problem is, and the reason I DON'T put up with antianti or antiproshipper shit, that's labeling a whole lot of strangers inherently bad over not having the exact fandom takes and conflating that with your legitimate ethics of outing predators and bigots...THAT is what's shitty.
I know for a fact that not all the people who tag their shit #proship even fully agree on what proship means. I know they are not all predators or even don't care about predators being in their fandoms. Trust me, they care. Some of the #antiship folks I know are the most lax mf w it comes to content warnings, horror, kinks and nuance and also really hate call out posts and want to avoid them as much as they can. I know they are not all self-righteous prudes and bigots trying to get kink out of pride or some shit. THAT SAID- if I haven't already seen creepypredatorybs from proshippers or bigotedbully-tactics from antis, I can definitely believe those things exist in those spaces. But again, those behaviors exist whether or not a person uses these self-given labels. You shouldn't throw your hands in defeat anymore then your shouldn't declare yourself the sole liberator.
Blocked the proshipper-stan I was of talking about because I kind of don't like being called a cant and told I'm okay with death threats...just like I did the antishipper who was sending me death threats that same day =). I know I don't have to deal with that bs and I'm glad I took that advice from a mutual abt my own personal boundaries.
Call out shitty behavior all you want, but the absolutist-rhetoric is not healthy and, more importantly, not doing anything to help people being abused by fandomculture anymore than you were when you first got accosted for disliking a thing that made you upset/liking a thing that made someone else upset. You gotta share your fandom with everyone so long as they're not bigoted, abusive or predatory. And yeah, I kind of reserve all those notions for people I can tell ARE doing those things...so, y'know Lily Orchard.
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I saw it on the (handwavy gesture) timeline thanks to @saltysatellite804 so I'm gonna do it with my usual lack of brevity :)
1) three ships:
1. I also have many a ship so I'll go with the one I brainrotted really hard for over the last few years, yalex (yassen gregorovich/alex rider) my beloved from the series alex rider! [assassin with a soft spot/extremely reluctant teen spy] dynamic, there's a shit ton of parallels between them, the metaphorical ghost that is alex's dad haunting the both of them, lots of angst-hurt/comfort potential, some infamous lines from the book that is nothing short of describing yassen in unneccesary detail or a literal love confession, I don't take concrit, thank you! thanks to the tv series there's been more fics but I would definitely still categorize it as a rarepair. somehow there still feels like there's such a wealth of excellent writing though!
2. next is adayu (adachi tohru/narukami yu) from the hit game persona 4 or persona 4 golden. [super nuanced jaded cop that goes too far/new in town protag who gains friends as a bit of a butterfly effect from said antag's actions] dynamic, yin-yang opposite sides of the same coin or two roads diverged mirrored equals, and definitely the darker accomplice!yu ending which leads to a lot of creative headcanons and whatnot. also a rarepair that within the last 3 years got a couple of excellent new longfics thanks to the various ports! I have an active discord server for the pairing with about 60-ish people total so we're going strong >:3c
3. finally I'll go with the ship that was the first "fandom" environment I participated in, eobarry (eobard thawne/barry allen) in all media forms, honestly. ngl I was kind of... young then cough so I tried not to be perceived as much as possible... I respect past!fel's enthusiasm but that's about it LOL. simple yet delicious [obsessed antag who is ready to ruin protag's life at a moment's notice/heart of gold protag who messes up... sometimes] dynamic that I need to get back into in order to describe it further. as you can tell, I'm all about the "but they're just opposite sides of the same coin" trope because this one's literally the flash and the reverse flash. from what I remember, I adored eowells but was always craving for more OG thawne in the tv series. in fact, I scoured through the recent flash movie trailer like a goddamn madman in hopes of catching a glimpse of the reverse flash, but no dice. did a little bit of ranting about it here and there on various platforms but since there's visible elements of change in the trailer such as kara instead of kal-el or how barry actually talks to his alt!self and doesn't knock him the fuck out or phase him out of existence, there's a chance they're gonna pull the whole barry vs evil!barry shtick again and I'm going to have to have to write self-cest. also again. rooting for suprise thawne in the theater when I go and watch it to reignite this possible flame, yeah?
2) first ever ship - it's not something I actually remember because it was that long ago. I can, however, tell you that the first three ship fic I wrote were hetalia character/reader-insert fics over on ff dot net about eight years ago. they didn't even last half a year before I wiped them from existence LOL but I've not deleted anything after that ‘cause I not longer care to
3) last song - it's still pulled up right now on my device, heh. it's shadow from the album "face the sun" by the kpop group seventeen. it's a gorgeous song, and if you look up the lyrics, they definitely hit too. about accepting the flaws in yourself, fears, shadows, etc etc
4) last movie - I actually rewatched the animated "flashpoint" movie recently because of the new flash trailer, ha. still can't get over thawne walking out of the shadows mid-movie stirring a mug of (?) so casually jsdfhsdkjfs
5) currently reading - like any other mentally well person, I have over 150 ao3 tabs open, so I'll choose the one that's most recent and relevent. the fic's called "something rich and strange" that's (the distortion/martin blackwood) for the magnus archives. take care to read the tags if you click into the fic^^
6) currently watching - not watching anything at all that can't be finished in one sitting because I've been so busy. the only thing I can think of is my once per week saturday blue lock episode. blue lock's a really well animated and cool-looking hardcore soccer anime that I would say is a totally different genre from something like haikyuu. it's about growth and egocentrism and super fun to watch; it's in-progress but there's over 12 episodes out already
7) currently consuming - the last thing I ate was some pani puri and naan >:P
8) currently craving - you don't understand how badly I need to see that flash movie. I need a flash that's a new flavor from the CW's and I also desperate crave for eobard thawne's entire ass character to exist again. if we're talking food, it's a bit too cold for me day after day so a heart and body warming meal of hot pot with lots of greens and root veggies, mushrooms, fish balls with roe, slices of beef and other meats or seafood, various tofus, and a delicious spicy soup base sounds so good right about now but I'd have to pester my roommate to drive me somewhere to grab it... maybe next week heh! another thing might be, hmm, dragon age 4? get in my mouth right now, dreadwolf.
lastly, the (totally optional) tag line: @suzie-shooter, @that1qb, @lastlymatt, @aurastiel, @spicavenius, @kelbrid, @weavingmemories
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Tw: T-cest enjoyer guilt (I guess???)
Let me start off by saying you have absolutely every right not to answer this ask, as it might be a bit too personal. Seriously. But as I'm sure you understand, there are not a lot of people I can openly talk about this to.
I just wanted to say that I concur with the last anon. (I say, trying to ignore how much it hurts that we have to use anon in the first place.)
I hate to use your asks as a vent, but a couple of months back, I sent an unnecessarily passive-aggressive ask on a pro shipper's blog, which I rightfully got criticized for by several people. I just scoffed at it all and loathed them for some time, but then I gradually fell into the community and felt shameful for hating those people, now my people, for the longest time.
I'm not going to lie and say, "oh yeah, I completely turned around after enjoying something t-cest related!" or some sugar-coated shit like that. As soon as I acknowledged I was becoming acceptive of it, I actually spiraled into some pretty severe self-hatred. I won't go into detail for obvious reasons, but like. You get the picture.
Anyway, point is, I know now that judging someone for liking t-cest is fucking stupid. Like you said, just like an author who writes about murder or other dark themes, enjoying anything in fiction that is incest-related does not mean you yourself are interested in or romanticize it. We are not disgusting creatures for taking pleasure in a fucked up topic that's FICTIONAL.
So. Yeah. I'm sorry for judging you and others, I'm a changed person now, and I'm glad that we have each other even though the antis despise us. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
im sorry to hear about your spiraling, but im glad you're in a better place now. i had that spiral when i was 12 or so and it wrecked my self-view for a good while. i know how hard it is to accept yourself, including the parts that enjoy dark fiction.
i have no interest in my siblings (and that thought seriously grosses me out) but i have always had an interest in fiction depicting the dark and societally unacceptable, ever since my abuse--including incest, which i started exploring in my writing when i was 11 or 12. this has ranged from gore and whump when i was younger to sexual deviancy when puberty hit, and i've gotten my fair share of hate for it. but i know who i am, and i know i would never hurt someone. and i've shared this with my therapist, as well. i've shared the way incest stories and whump help me process some of the feelings my abuse left me with, and we agree that its a healthy outlet.
and im glad we have each other as well. community is important, and learning to accept yourself, icky thoughts and all, is also vital to a happy life. i want to spread positivity and connections throughout the tcest & general proship community. you're right, we're not monsters, we're just people who's tastes in fiction veer on the less-wholesome-and-acceptable side, for whatever reasons we might have, which is perfectly fine. (and its perfectly fine to ship or enjoy dark and problematic things even if you don't have a history of abuse or anything, fyi. thoughts =/= actions and you dont need any justification to write, draw, or ship what you like)
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shadow-turtle-234 · 2 years
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Reminder to all parties (Lokius, S*lkis)...
YALL ARE HYPOCRITES.
Yes: both Mobius and Sylvie abused Loki during the series. And yes, biphobia and transphobia has increased in this fandom (because of this shit show). However, none of y'all are innocent.
Many S*lkis love to harp on the "wah, you biphobic misogynist! You are mad your gay ship isn't canon!" excuse on Twitter and on here, but in you all are silencing those are female and/or female presenting and/or trans women (who may or may not be bi), as well as other bi folk who found more issues with S*lki. Such as the pro-Autogynephilia messaging Disney/Marvel been pushing (there is literally no way to dance around it, it is autogynephilia. Please stop lying to yourselves - KH, SDM, MW and EM have all revealed their true colors when it comes down to trans people and their views on them. Sophia has blocked trans folk [idk if these people are for either ship] on Twitter who called her out on her transphobia and/or critiquing her and/or her character; and Kate has been outright ignoring and playing innocent to her fucking audience members) by forcing Loki with a female version of himself who is a massive sociopathic bitch, and the actual biphobia is how so many people (either Lokius or S*lki or none) called Loki's sexuality as nothing more than him being frisky til he fell in "true love" with Sylvie (yes, I have seen these horseshit takes. And it needs to stop) and the fact Kate herself said she wasn't going to continue exploring that element of Loki's identity (then again, she never did. Stop praising her for literally doing fuck all), and the incest issue as well as the IPV that Sylvie performs on Loki makes Amber Heard look like a fucking saint.
And, before anyone gets pissy, Mobius is just as bad. Being Waldy's self insert, of course (much like how Sylvie was Katie's), he treats Loki like shit and threatens him with death and tortures him repeatedly throughout the series. However, I myself still enjoy the natural and authentic chemistry between Wilson and Hiddleston, and for me, that makes this ship a little more enjoyable than the former. But, I know just how toxic the Lokius fandom is on Twitter (I mean, Twitter in general is a toxic cest pool owned by Elon Musk now. Are we really surprised?) and they need to learn just to block and ignoring and to not engage in sending threats. If you are by any chance a Lokius shipper who has/planned to send threats - piss off into Hell, rn.
Hell - BOTH parties need to realize that they need to learn just to block and ignore. NOT SEND THREATS (Or you can piss off into hell). This is the problem that both parties are guilty of: sending threats and/or KYS messages to anyone regardless of their shipping stance; hell, even valid criticisms about the show and people who've made them- yeah, they've gotten threats as well. I have seen a few mutals of mine repeatedly be sent death threat after death threat, for posting their opinions ON THEIR BLOG. And it needs to stop.
Also, do not send me death threats for the tags or for the fact that I made this post. Y'all never cared for tagging appropriately (yes - both parties). And the tags aren't for positive only posts.
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You Don’t Have To Be Lonely When I’m Here — [Mirage | Elliott Witt]
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I wrote this as a completely self indulgent fic for myself for one of my own personal fav ships of Mirage which is him with his Decoy
I also posted this on AO3 the link is in my pinned
I hope you enjoy!
Pairing: Elliott Witt x Elliott Witt, Elliott Witt x Decoy
Words: 2.1k (2,183)
Warning(s): Nudity, self-cest (no nsfw)
Requests: Closed
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Loneliness.
For a long time that’s all Elliott had known.
Between losing his siblings and his mother's condition he’s had to do a lot by himself.
Joining the games allowed him to meet many new people that he now considered a part of his family.
Like Wraith, who’s warmed up to him more after he helped her find out more about her past, or Rampart who became like a sister to him, and even though he might not show it Elliott cares for Crypto as well even with all of their banter. As well as most of the legends he has at least a decent relationship with. Well besides Caustic and revenant.
And he’s thankful for them, they helped ease the feeling of loneliness.
But even though he now has some of the closest friends he’s had in a long time there was always something missing.
He was surrounded by adoring fans and close friends yet he couldn’t shake the hollow feeling in his chest.
Elliott loves his friends and he loves his fans, but he, like any other person, craved intimacy. He wanted someone to hold, someone to come home to at the end of a long day at the bar or from the games. Someone who waits for him and holds him when the days get tough. Someone who cares for him as much as he cares for them.
He had tried for so long to find someone either from dating apps or by going out and meeting someone on a night out on the town but none of his previous relationships ever stuck around for longer than a few months before breaking it off.
He didn’t know where he went wrong, he tried everything in his power to please the other person. But yeah maybe his shifts at the bar did run a little late and his schedule was a bit hectic due to the games, and his concern for his mother’s condition would always be at the forefront of his mind but he really did try in his relationships.
It was safe to say Elliott was desperate but he was still hopeful that one day he’ll find the one.
And tonight he had brought someone home the night before. Was it someone from a dating site or was it just a bystander in the bar he went to last night? Was it a woman? A man? The alcohol he had ingested made the memories fuzzy. But one thing he knew for certain was that they hit it off. He had a great time talking with them. They were easy to talk to and they had fun that night drinking and partying together. Enough for Elliott to invite them back to his place.
It was late and they had stumbled through the door, all drunken giggles and sloppy kisses. And one thing led to another and they ended up together in his bed, their bodies moving together in a dance of pleasure heightened by the buzz of the alcohol in their systems.
Maybe it was the alcohol, or maybe even just the high of having someone in his bed but he was sure that this could be the start of something with this person.
Elliott hated the morning after drinking.
Especially because of the splitting headache or the cottonmouth that accompanied waking up.
The space next to him in bed was vacant and cold; its occupant had long since left while he slept.
Elliott is naked, laying on his side, vacantly staring at the wall, his chest heavy.
He’d been like this ever since he had woken up to find yet again like every other time in the past his bed devoid of a warm body next to his.
He probably should’ve been used to this by now it’s happened way too many times to count.
Meeting someone at the bar, having one too many drinks, taking them home, and then waking up the next morning alone.
It’s basically a routine at this point but Elliott still gets his hopes up every time.
A weight behind him caused the bed to dip and the blanket was raised before suddenly a warm equally naked body was pressed up against his back.
The person softly settled their hand upon his waist and rubbed circles with their thumb as they pressed soothing kisses along the side of Elliott's neck.
The familiar sensation of facial hair rubbing against his neck gave away who it was.
Craning his neck, Elliott turned to see his decoy’s brown eyes staring back at him.
“Hey, there handsome.”
Elliott just stared at him before sighing and turning away facing the wall again.
His decoy frowned before wrapping his arm around Elliott's waist and pulling him closer against his body.
A moment of silence passed before Elliott shifted around until his face was pressed into his copy’s chest.
The clone immediately tangled his fingers in Elliott’s hair and cradled him as he hugged the decoy’s midsection.
Elliott took a deep breath, taking in the musk and the leftover lingering sweat and cologne that his clone managed to replicate.
It was soothing, having his own scent surrounding him, having his clone run his hands through his hair, and lightly scratching at his scalp.
“Wanna talk about it?”
Elliott scoffed.
“What’s there to talk about? I’m just a loser who can’t get a date and who’ll probably be alone forever.”
His decoy waited a moment to see if he would continue and when he didn't he pulled back and looked into Elliot’s eyes.
“You’re not a loser I mean c’mon look at us we’re the most handsome and coolest legend in the Outlands!”
Elliott avoided his gaze, looking down and picking at a loose thread on the blanket.
“I’m not that cool, I mean Wraith can open portals and do that teleporting thing and Dr. Somers has a black hole in her backpack.”
He pushed his face back into his copy’s chest muffling his voice.
“And I’m not that good looking. I mean Fuse is right there.”
The clone suddenly pulled away from Elliott, sat up, and looked him in his eyes.
“Hey, stop being so hard on yourself because even if you don’t think so I think you’re the most amazing and handsome man I know.”
Elliott pushed himself up to better face his clone, his cheeks heating up.
“You really think so?”
The decoy gave him a smile and patted Elliott’s shoulder.
”Yeah, I do. I mean look at me, are you gonna tell me that I’m not good-looking?”
The trickster could only smile lightheartedly and shake his head.
“I thought so.”
The both of them slid into a companionable silence, the tension fading away.
Elliott's eyes wander from his decoy's eyes to admire himself.
He never really sat down to admire the way his holo-tech accurately replicated his features.
Elliott wouldn’t necessarily call himself vain but with his clone’s reassurance, he couldn’t deny that he was a handsome man.
His eyes wandered to the scars that adorned his decoy’s face mirroring exactly where they were on his own.
Elliott raised his hand to stroke a scar on the apple of his clone’s cheek with his thumb.
The decoy immediately leaned into his touch nuzzling his face into his creator's skin.
His clone reached up to caress the back of Elliott’s hand, turning his head to place soft kisses to his wrist.
Elliott’s gaze drifted from his clone’s face down to his lips and swallowed hard.
The feeling of his decoy’s lips pressing kisses on his skin sent small jolts of electricity through his body and he wondered what his lips would feel on his own.
It can’t be that weird right? It’s basically like making out with your reflection in the mirror or even your hand when you're a teenager. Which is much more embarrassing than kissing a physical copy of yourself.
Fuck it.
“H-hey.”
His decoy stopped kissing Elliott’s wrist and looked at him.
“I was w-wondering if uh- can I- um can I kiss you?”
Elliott didn’t know how he expected his decoy to react to his question.
Maybe a strange look or he laughs at him, or perhaps the decoy would fizzle himself out.
“Nothing’s stopping you.”
Elliott froze, pulling his hand away from his cheek, shock written all over his face.
“Really?”
The decoy chuckled at his creator's expression and shrugged.
“I mean, it’s just a kiss, nothing wrong with that is there?”
Elliott cleared his throat.
“I-I uh guess n-not.”
His decoy shrugged.
“Then I guess it’s settled. c’mere.”
The decoy shifted, pushing the blanket off his lap exposing his naked body to rest on his knees facing Elliott beckoning him to come closer. Said man hastily listened and mirrored his clone's actions, sitting equally exposed to him.
Now they were face to face, sitting completely naked.
A shiver ran down Elliott’s spine from being exposed to the chilly morning air. But the cool air did nothing to quell the burning embarrassment as he faced his clone.
Was he really about to kiss his decoy? While being naked?
Maybe he should back out and shut his holotech off and forget this ever happened.
Maybe—
“Hey, look at me.” His decoy gently cupped Elliott’s face in a soft but firm hold. “Don’t be so nervous. I’ve got you.”
Elliott felt the embarrassment eating away at him even more.
“A-are you sure this is okay? Isn’t it weird that I want to uh k-kiss myself?”
The decoy shrugged.
“It’s only weird if you make it weird.”
The decoy moved to let go of Elliott's face.
“But if you’re uncomfortable and you don’t want to, we don't—“ “W-wait!”
Elliott grabbed onto the decoy’s hands before he could pull away and placed them back onto his face.
“I-I’m sorry but-but I want this. I want to do it. I want to kiss you.”
His decoy looked at him surprised at his outburst, blush spreading along his face, before chuckling.
“Alright then. Do it.”
Elliott bit his lip and let go of his decoy’s hands, shuffling forward on his knees, reaching out, and placing his hands on his bare waist.
The feeling of warm flesh both shocked and delighted him. He’s touched his decoys before but never like this. Never has it ever been so… sensual.
Elliott swallowed the lump in his throat, gaze shifting from his copy’s lips to his eyes.
“A-are you sure?”
The decoy smiled and gave him a quick nod.
Elliott took a deep breath and leaned in, closing his eyes, and pressing his lips softly, almost timidly, against his decoy’s.
The first thought in Elliott’s head was that his lips are surprisingly soft. He took care of himself outside of the games of course but being out fighting in a blood sport for hours on end usually left his lips a bit chapped. But the feeling of his lips as rough as they were was nothing like any of the previous people he’s kissed; this was different.
This was himself. The feeling of his slightly cracked lips against his own.
It just feels so right.
Elliott sighed into the kiss, shoulders gradually relaxing as he wrapped his arms tightly around his waist and pulled his decoy closer until their bare chests were flush against one another.
His decoy’s tongue poked through his lips and swiped over his bottom lip. Elliott softly moaned, wasting no time parting his lips to welcome the tongue that entered his mouth.
The decoy tangled his hands in Elliott’s hair as he explored his mouth, gently massaging his scalp as he softly worked their tongues together.
Elliott’s head was spinning and he didn’t know if it was from lack of oxygen or from the overwhelming sensuality of this moment.
But from the feeling of his clone's mouth working in tandem with his own to the hands in his hair, he wouldn’t have cared if he had died because as far as he was concerned he was in heaven.
Though his clone could go on forever Elliott was still human and needed to breathe so eventually they had to part.
Elliott gently pulled away, breaking the kiss and pressing their foreheads together.
The only sound in the room now was that of their labored breaths as they held each other as close as possible, hands holding on tight as though if they let go this moment would fade away.
Elliott opened his eyes and admired his clone’s face. Even though it was an exact replica of himself Elliott couldn’t help but think that his decoy was the most beautiful person he’s met.
It was an exact copy of his own red face and though he didn’t need to breathe as Elliott did. The decoy was panting seemingly as out of breath as he was.
His decoy didn’t have to do this. He didn’t have to comfort Elliott and make him feel so good, so… important.
No one had ever made him feel this way before.
Suddenly as he stares at his clone he realizes that he doesn’t feel so alone anymore.
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