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am i the only one who sensed some jilted lover vibes from jensen?
#burcon#cockles#thoughts#at the start of the panel and through a few particular interactions he seemed very standoffish#he was giving a little bitter and hurt and perhaps even resentful - maybe he only learned of misha's gf#at this con too! maybe it was news to him. on top of not seeing misha for months i can understand#if he was feeling a bit neglected and out of the loop. there's also the matter of misha's gf not being#in a poly thing with jensen and dee like vicki was ie. what she has with misha is seperate so i'm sure#that's another difficult thing to deal with knowing their time together is strictly separate#i've no doubt he wants misha to have a partner and be happy but there's an adjustment period#letting new people into your life and whoever misha's partner is now or in the future is going to#affect jensen on a personal level and moreover his relationship with misha. it's all very intriguing#and while i like what little i've seen and heard about this woman for misha i just think no matter who#she is it's going to take a toll on jensen's relationship w misha. i thought it was plain to see on jensen's face#during their panel: numerous moments where he was giving a poker face that wasn't covering a laugh#but instead like he was trying to smooth out his bitterness. or so my eyes and brain and heart tell me.#just various moments where things looked uncomfortable and jensen making off-colour jokes that didn't land#and which furthermore were barbed and snarky - not in their usual banter way but like he was lashing out#and using the excuse of chaotic panel convo to explain away his comedic pitfalls. but again maybe i'm#looking to much into it? idk. there are some lovely moments! fun and caring moments - but they#mainly came from misha's direction ngl. it seemed like misha was trying hard to keep the peace#while jensen was just running his mouth on comments and jokes that kept not landing - for me#everyone on my dash is loving their dynamic this panel - and i want to feel that love! it is possible that#learning misha has a gf has skewed my perception a little like i'm putting context onto moments#i otherwise wouldn't. but i also think i would've laughed and generally felt better watching their panel#if that was the case. idk. whatever the reason i do think something was OFF between them on stage#and it was coming from jensen from the start. misha picked up on it partway though but things felt#a little strained throughout. like jensen wasn't looking at misha as much as usual or reaching out for him#misha tried to salvage and not react to things. but both their answers to the last Q were passive aggressive af#and when they left the stage together they weren't close or touching or chatting like they usually are...
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Well. Potentially inadvisable message I sent a few days ago not really expecting a reply to did, in fact, get a reply.
#personal#for those with enough knowledge of blog lore to know what I'm talking about here:#I caved and messaged First Ex/Former Closest Friend again#out of a mixture of the fact that I keep circling back to that friendship breakup on an approximately monthly basis that I knew#I'd never be able to really let it go unless I at least tried once#and the confidence from my knowledge of him that if our positions were reversed *he* would have tried#in any case. He's not sure if we'll succeed in being friends again but he *is* willing to talk#on the condition (which I offered in my initial message) of me not telling any of the people we mutually know#that he ended up having issues with#that we are speaking with#& there is (unsurprisingly since there was clearly a lot missing from the stories I'd gotten) more to said issues than I'd heard about#which it sounds like he's going to elaborate on when we talk#I think the biggest difficulty for me in re-establishing contact like this is going to be accepting that he and my mother#outright despise each other now#which. l mean - I'd never claim she's perfect#she can be very blunt in a way that comes off as just *mean* and hurtful and I've been hurt by that too#but she's also been a much better parent to me than most people's parents seem to be to them#it's possible maybe even likely that if some of our arguments when I was younger had ended in us cutting ties rather than#eventually talking it through that I would see her the same way Former Closest Friend does#but they didn't and she's been at certain points amazingly supportive since#so it's likely I'm going to have a hard time reconciling the version of her he's going to present to me with that#even though I'm totally open to believing that he's justified in how he feels about whatever happened#& I'm not going to be able to process it out loud irl bc that would violate the 'not telling people involved about this' clause#so there may be a lot of venty personal tumblr posts coming soon to a blog near you
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the tudors (2007-2010)
anne boleyn (2021)
bonnie burstow (1992)
#HOW IS MY MOTHER...YK...THAT OTHER WOMAN THAT HAD ONLY A DAUGHTER WHICH IS PROOF GOD HAS ABANDONED HER#ffs chapuys; know your audience!!#anyway tl;dr these are all (obviously) fictional mary's so who knows if she ever expressed these sentiments#but i didn't realize how common a feature this was until i came across the quote#and you know. as you watch them. knowing the fictionalized mary is going to become the historical mary#one can't help but be like damn if this not going to come back to bite in 20 years...#it also had me thinking of the double standards of mary i stans#anne boleyn's stillbirths/miscarriages are how she 'fucked around and found out'#which is not their attitude towards mary's phantom pregnancies#nor should it be. but probably not for either; right?#i think the fact of the matter is it's quite possible mary was never going to have been able to have children even had she married younger#as much as it's possible anne might never have been able to carry any other pregnancies to term#she was really not that 'old' when she married; royal women had had children at 38 and even later#(mary that is)#and if that's true it doesn't mean she had less worth as a human being or that it's...funny? like#(that she never could have carried any pregnancies to term herself; that is)#i'm not sure why they can only see that for one particular women and not any others somehow#maybe we shouldn't be actually applying 16c principles on a woman's worth as we study them. just thinking out loud#or be celebrating the stress and pressures they must have felt cornered by all sides by the expectations of the patriarchal system#within which they had to survive...lol. lmao; even
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These days I'm mostly realizing I'm getting older because I'm suddenly looking after my parents more and more often, now that they're getting more vulnerable with age.
#That and my gen z coworkers calling me boomer all the time which is just Rude.#My father is retiring in 6 months and he has to do some financial stuff and he's just not understanding it#and of course it's all digital which he's not understanding even more#and I'm just seeing he's more vulnerable and he's not sure anymore what it all entails#(the things he handled for his retirement 30 years ago)#so we were just on the phone for an hour trying to figure it out#and he's coming over tomorrow so I can fix it for him#and I'm reading the terms of condition to make sure he's not falling for anything weird#and I've been having more of these moments where I'm texting my sister like we need to keep a close eye on dad#he's getting older and I'm noticing some things#I'm worried about him sometimes; he's been working full time since he was 15#and now he's suddenly not gonna be working anymore#and when I visit his house I'm like do I need to go over there to help out with some stuff?#it's pretty confronting...#personal#my mother takes care of herself mostly and she has her partner so she's not alone#I also lowkey gotta take care of my sister#and I'm the one approached for things like this#because my sister's a big ole mess#and I told my sister and she didn't offer to help or anything#she was just like haha really? and then started sending me 20 text about a dumb movie she was watching#I mean it's fine and it's what I've expected it's just a reality I need to get used to
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WHY DO I KEEP FORGETTING TO START WRITING EARLIER KSFHKSHF
#me who woke up at like 6: oh i hav plany of time :)#me now that it's 10:30: OH MAN I'VE ONLY GOT LIKE AN HOUR#WHOOPS#ok well no it's actually just largely bc i texted my friend to /call me and wake me up/#and she didn't#which is fine#so i've kinda just been putting shit off like 'surely she'll actually at least text me at some point rihgt'#no#no she didn't#and she's probably asleep by now so :)#(i texted her to wake me up when she wanted me to come over btw bc i had briefly woke up from my sleep and saw she had texted smth about it#which idk. maybe it is somewhat my own fault but also she knows i sleep during the day.#and shes been texting me and i haven't been seeing it until i wake up which isn't until like 7-8 on weekends#which is too late to justify driving to her house bc they go to bed at like 9-10 so#yeah. at 3 i texted her to wake me up when she wanted me to come over. and she didn't.#this got WAY off topic i have to go write#hghhhh but idk what to write rn...... i'm not feeling (wit)jitp OR the rbb...............#we'll see#shh ac
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was talking to my mom about how the adoption process worked when they adopted my brother and man some people truly are just scum
#all of their process was basically public? since there wasn't a private institution back then (not sure how it is now)#so it was basically women who were 100% sure they were going to give their baby away no matter what#and then when the day came they were like noo i'm keeping the baby (which should be good right?)#and then they would do a follow up and turns out there was no baby because they were basically sold illegally#obviously to people that were not from chile#because what um hospitals? no it's not hospitals but adjacent i guess#what they would do is that they would have a program basically were pregnant women would be like hey this kid once they're born?#i'm gonna abandon them basically. so they hospital would get in contact with the social service#the social service would contact people that wanted to be parents. the they would come and there was no baby because they were sold#obviously didn't happen to my parents but what did happen was the social service lady asking them#if they wanted to see the kid first in case they ''didn't like him''#and my dad being my dad got furious because what the hell that's my kid no matter what#and the sad reality was that a lot of adoptive parents would like to look at the kid first to see if they liked them as if they were what#a fucking couch#anyways. everyday i'm more thankful for how open my mom is about this whole thing and how it was#she still has the name and all the info of my brother's biological mother in case he wants to contact her again#(which hasn't happened since he had his very big and bad bipolar crisis)#but yeah idk i admire my mom a lot she's always trying to do what's best for everyone even if sometimes it comes out a little harsh#b.txt
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just got reminded of one of my favorite bittersweet memories from the closet/denial - when I was 15 we had an exchange student from the US stay with us for a few days and I got along so well with her, and we wrote endless fb messages and emails and letters and I just felt like we were soulmates and cried when she left and couldn't wait to visit her a few months later on a school trip, and I remember sitting in her car with her and singing along to Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" because i had just bought cherry chapstick so she started playing the song, and my heart started beating faster when she started to sing along and I just remember not knowing what it was but knowing it was a special kind of friendship. I attributed it to the circumstances and the traveling and all the excitement of a school trip, and only years later, when I read her coming out post on facebook something in me clicked and made me realise how obvious it could have been to me that I had a crush on her if I'd had the language for it at 15.
#queer#ramblings#she just posted a wedding pic of her and her now wife on insta and they look so cute and beautiful#and seeing that made me remember how hard the realisation of what my feelings had been hit me when i read her coming out post#which she posted almost 10 years after we first met#and i'm pretty sure we both didn't know back then#maybe she did but i definitely didn't suspect a thing#i remember coming home from the US trip and telling my mom all abt our adventures and how heartbroken i felt when we had to leave#and in the whole friend group of like 10+ ppl we hung out with (my friends & their hosts) there was 1 guy#named kyle and he was someone's boyfriend#and my mom asked me#if i was sad abt saying goodbye to kyle#and i was like#??!??!? KYLE#i'm fucking heartbroken abt my host but not fucking kyle#he was nice and all but he was literally just some girls bf who tagged along but comphet made my mom latch onto the only guy i mentioned lol#i remember the extreme confusion i felt whem she asked abt him#and i was like?!?? i literally have talked abt girls for half an hour WHY are you making it abt kyle#i'm in such an oversharing mood today lol but seeing her insta posts just made me really nostalgic#and sad for closeted teenage me who could have had all these experiences but didn't know it yet
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theonebyIer
#i was gonna say she won't see this because i've blocked her (/nm😭) and i looked her blog up just to check and found out that she's#deactivated again but no one but us would see it because my l is a capital i#but yeah remember in february her account was terminated and people who i'm sure didn't even know her like that were like why byler tumblr#is gonna die without them#which as i've said before i kinda get like i'd do that too with some of my mutuals i just wouldn't tag it byler seeing as it has nothing#to do with the ship. but whatever#but this isn't her first time deactivating on her own terms so idk hope she comes back when she wants to if she ever wants to#and people like. leave her alone? because that's why she deactivated this time apparently#ask
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he's going to be fighting a bunch of these things on his own, huh?
#wednesday spoilers#I don't think anyone really likes the im2-ish plot regarding h*ward but then duggan did warn us that he wanted to expand on whatever#happened in hickman's shield run so that's a thing that's happening now I guess.... I just hope he wraps it up quickly#emma was pretty annoying in this issue imo like idk if she's genuinely underestimating feilong or just not letting some things on due to#her being on the council etc. but it's probably going to backfire badly. I liked that tony & sunfire interacted though it's been a while I#think. I don't really know what to say about the h*ward stuff except that I liked that tony didn't become emotional or lose his head when#he was mentioned & he also didn't say anything nice about him so that's fine I guess...#I like that while he won pretty easily in the last issue the sentinel is clearly extremely powerful & tony was outgunned & retreated and I#like that there was no mention of his ego or whatever even though having to run would mess with anyone's ego a bit. I'm sure he would've#fought it anyway if it endangered anyone else but since it didn't he didn't fight a losing battle for whatever reason which shouldn't be#surprising but considering the quality of a lot of his previous runs it's nice#this issue wasn't as strong as the last one imo & I wish the stark employees resigned in protest the way they always did in the past#although it hasn't been his company for a while & usually when they resigned it was about tony and that one dude was clearly unhappy about#what was happening so maybe we'll see something in later issues? idk#I could've used a lot less h*ward but then I was expecting him to come up plus I'm glad it's happening now & not during cantwell's run#I'm pretty excited for the next issue since it's a flashback to the wca/silver centurion era... overall I think the characterisation is#still pretty good so I'll just hold on to that#iron man#marvel 616#tony stark
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Baby’s first successful molt under our care ♥
#Spider#Nhandu Chromatus#I'm extremely relieved hhhh#There was a bit of a scare and I was kinda really stressed out for a solid hour or so afterwards#I love ma to bits but she's not someone who always thinks through her actions very well#So like I said before I knew Baby was in premolt and I fully intended to leave them alone outside of feeding and watering#Well turns out feeding day had to be incredibly postponed! I didn't even get a chance to see them during molt#Which tbh it probably a good thing I wouldn't want to have stressed them out#Unfortunately because of that tho I also didn't have a chance to let ma know that they'd molted and would look weird#She wasn't aware of how spiders look when they're freshly molted so she got worried - normally not a problem#Except that she then proceeds to Pick Up Baby's Enclosure and tilt it to try to get Baby to move to make sure they were still alive#Like! That!! Hhhhhphew I know she didn't know but of all the things she could've done in that moment hahaaa#Spiders do look kinda dead when they're in molt and I guess I should've sat her down to explain or come with her or Literally Anything#But - luckily - Baby was stressed but seems uninjured from the spook#I'm just glad this all happened /after/ the molt because Baby could've straight up died if she'd tried that while they were doing that#Hhhh anyway!! Baby looks to be in good health!!#Still soft as you can see from the red fangs hehe ♥ But an absolute beauty!#That's not a trick of photography either btw :D Those are actually blood-red fangs! They're currently see-through and will darken over time#Aren't they a gorgeous colour ♪ Once they harden up back to black I can finally feed them again they're surely super hungry#The molt is also in great quality! I accidentally tangled the abdomen and separated the thorax cap ouq But aside from that!#Baby did an amazing job I'm super proud <3
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it’s so funny how much kids seem to like me when i struggle so much understanding the words they’re saying if they’re really little and i’m BETTER at interacting with them than i used to be after all these years with my nephew and nieces but still like. kinda awkward
i like them too, to be clear, kids are the fucking BEST even if i don’t want them for myself. but i’m always just kind of stunned when kids attach themselves to me seemingly so easily
#and it's just like?? most of the kids i interact with?#started with my nephew when he was much younger i'd guess not long after we met and started spending time together#and my older niece is much the same way when she comes over she wants to take me around with her#their younger sister not so much but she's still p exclusively attached to her parents it seems#so maybe in a year or two for her#and then my godson sure bc i've gone theirs a couple times a year every year for giving him birthday and christmas presents#but his siblings all get excited to see me too (sidebar his younger sister was dressed so cute today and i'm like#it was not like that when i was 10 oh my god)#and the youngest is more shy in general i think but he was v shy of me when i was over just a few months ago#and today we played tossing coins back and forth to each other and he had the biggest smile on his face#and he wanted to show me some toys in his room#and then he had one of those blankets that's also like a sort of lil costume of a monster#and he asked me to put it on him and then i did the whole pretending he's the monster that's gonna get me#but i was just like omg where did this turnaround come from you didn't wanna interact with me a few months ago#anyway kids are fascinating and also so fun and i love them i love them#i just wish i was better at the play stuff my brother apparently loves doing the make believe stuff with his daughter#which doesn't surprise me he's got a good imagination but yeah i'm always just like. idk how to do this#tbf i don't think kids really notice/care as long as you're engaging with them and all but still i just wish i was better at it#especially bc like if i WERE...working with kids might be fun but idk#personal
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Oh heck. My mom's back on her bullshit, abusing her kids then acting like it is the fault of said kids.
#gotta love it#my sister who just turned 16 decided to go order food for herself for the first time#but she got the wrong thing because she's still learning how to be a people#she asked my mom to help her in exchanging it because she didn't know how that worked#my mom said no and told her to figure it out on her own#which sure you gotta learn on your own sometimes. but she began her response already screaming#like i was outside and could hear her clearly#i come inside to see my sister crying because my mom called her a stupid fucking bitch for misordering#i tell her to cut it out. she's a kid and she's going to make mistakes#my mom says something to me and my sister says something snarky back. as any teen would.#and my mom picks up a full bag off the table and hits my sister with it as hard as she can#my sister says her lip was bleeding for a while because of it#then this bitch tells me to kill myself and says i have nothing going for me#so i ask what she's got going on and if it's why she's never been able to hold down a job or a man#she gets in my face and i remind her that I'm stronger than she is and can pin her to the ground while I'm waiting for police if she hit me#she backs up locks my sister out of her room and takes all her shit#and my mom goes downstairs to her room. so i ask if she's gonna go pop pills and sadtext about how her kids hate her for no reason#her response for which is to shove my dog - who is old and hurt herself running the other day - into a wall as hard as she could#so i again remind her that i have no moral objection to punching out someone who is being a tyrant#she also stole my keys (why? who knows. i luckily have 2 backup keys) and my sister's debit card#and she's just in her room now clearly high as fuck and texting people about how her kids hate her so so much#like yeah. you can't abuse people their whole lives and expect adiration you fucking buffoon#anyway. here's my bi-weekly 'how do i adopt my siblings' google searches. yeehaw.#i just wish she'd get sent to jail again so i don't have to deal with her any more
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So glad I am a stronger version of Mimi any weaker man would have left Requiem with a Spamton plush instead of an art book
#SO ANGRY that i noticed they had the fucking polterpup plush AFTER i checked out and didn't want to spend more money#i literally cannot find a listing for that thing anymore#because of mario plush comment i literally walked right last the Mario plushies and didn't bother to look#which i'm not. complaining about my mom's comment lmfao she's right#BUT POLTERPUP IS A LUIGI'S MANSION PLUSH AND THOSE ARE SPECIAL AND LIVE ON MY SHELF#they also had Poltergust Luigi and it was the version i don't have but i dont think i need BOTH the Poltergust plushies sure the unique fac#is neat and all but i prefer my version where he's just chillin qwq#Anyways got ya with deltarune talk hook line and sinker this is a post about me talking about mario plushies now#when is it not a post about me talking about mario plushies lmfao it always comes back to my interest in smb plushies specifically#anyways thanks for reading through my tags lol qwq#OH i did not include mario plush comment lmfao#for context i was (positively) overwhelmed in the mario store at universal and my mom joked that i didn't need any more mario plushies#to help me kind of minimize my options a bit xnxbxbcbxbxbbsnc#which i might still see if i can pick up the chef toad plush somewhere but i like the sweater i got qwq#anyways she did revise that statement to mean that she thought i didn't need anymore Luigi plushies specifically which chxnxnx fucking fair#i only have 2 Marios compared to ny like 8 Luigis
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I wanna talk about The Angel Who Would Be Crowley.
Because I had a certain set of expectations, which got thoroughly trashed in the first five minutes of S2, and my genuine response is, "Oh, fuck, yup. You're right. That's WAY better."
Looking around at GO fandom, I'm not alone in this. So let's talk about it.
Basically, a lot of people (myself included) believed that he was a high-ranking angel, and therefore as chilly and remote as every other powerful angel we'd seen at that point. We pictured Crowley-To-Be as long-haired, regal and imposing --and the fanart at the time reflected this. I'd link some if Tumblr didn't hate links.
Something like this:
We were collectively drawing on a few things --mostly, Crawly's appearance and general bearing in the Biblical scenes of S1--
--But also scattered hints of his importance, backed up by conspicuous absences in Heaven and a few profound displays of power. That's all better covered elsewhere, so I won't reiterate the arguments here. All I'm saying is: I think our headcanons were justified.
But it turns out he was this:
!!!
With his curly little--!!
And his neat white--!!
IT TURNS OUT, he was an angel who squeaked and squealed when he was happy; who flailed his arms around and made explosion noises with his mouth to explain nebulas; who preened when told his stars were pretty. Furfur, who knew him before the Fall, says:
"You used to jump on me back, little monkey in a waistcoat..."
(The use of a diminutive there, 'little'...oh, that fascinates me.)
In a pretty huge subversion of expectations, we're given these glimpses of an angel who was sweet, and joyful, and heart-meltingly silly.
In sum...an innocent.
(Perhaps innocent to a troubling degree.
We see how he troubles Aziraphale, during their first conversation. He starts looking around and behind them, checking to make sure that no one can HEAR the blithe and reckless things coming out of this angel's mouth. This angel who talks like he's never been reprimanded in his life; like it's never occurred to him that anyone would want to hurt him.
Before the Beginning, Aziraphale understood Heaven better than he did. The danger is plainly occurring to Aziraphale.)
So now, we the viewers are in on a cruel joke that Aziraphale has known all along, which is that this --THIS-- is the angel who--
*checks notes*
--did a million lightyear freestyle dive into a boiling pool of sulphur. For asking questions.
...Imagine you are Aziraphale, and everything inside you wants to believe Heaven are the Good Guys, and God is Good and Everything She does is capital-R Right...and now try to reconcile that. Keep trying. I don't think he ever totally managed it in 6000 years.
All this gets further complicated when we learn that, despite all of the above, we were still right. That sweet excitable babby up there?
He WAS a powerful and high-ranking angel.
That much is explicitly confirmed, with significant evidence that he could have been among the mightiest of archangels...
...Who apparently accosted his fellow angels for piggyback rides. And was remembered millennia later by those (now fallen) angels as something 'little.'
What does that tell us about who he was? Is?
Hell, Aziraphale has known to be wary of the archangels (and the judgements of Heaven in general) since before the Fall even happened. He chooses to believe they are Good; he can't fool himself into thinking they are Safe.
Yet he's absolutely certain that Crowley won't hurt Job's children. Enough to stand in a burning building and say to them, "I can't save you, but don't be afraid. I won't need to."
And what reason does he give?
("I know you."
"You do not know me."
"I know the angel you were.")
What does that tell us about who he was? Is?
("The angel you knew is not me."
But how is Aziraphale supposed to believe that, when he can see him all the time?)
tl;dr --yes, this is better. I love the tragedy of it.
'Innocence died screaming' and all that.
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Danny, in his forties, knows he passes for two people; Bruce Wayne and some randomass reporter named Clark Kent.
Which is great, because he's about to defend Bruce Wayne's son, and it'd be weird if the press thought he was just some rando.
Danny didn't want to know who the fuck Bruce Wayne was, but Sam's parents would not shut up about the guy as Danny was growing up.
So, yeah; he can recognize Bruce Wayne on site. And his children.
Not because he stalked them! It was all Sam's fault, her and her parents! Her for complaining about the Waynes, and her parents for idolizing them!
Anyways, he's pretty sure he just saw some chick drug Dick Grayson's quadruple sugar caramel frappe, and Dick drank it.
Danny doesn't really think? He kind of just moves.
Dick Grayson barely gets out a "Uh, hey-?" before Danny decks the bitch in the face hard enough to throw the woman back five feet.
She's definitely going to need a hospital.
Danny doesn't give a fuck.
Danny gives so little fucks that he just puts a very carefully gentle hand on Dick Grayson's shoulder and steers him away from the scene.
"She roofied your drink. I'm taking you to the hospital."
Or; Dick was going to allow a Trafficker to drug him, so that he could play bait. The trackers he'd swallowed would absolutely lead Jason to where he was taken, as Jason was working with him on this, but didn't meet the traffickers "type".
He didn't tell Bruce he was going to do this.
So when the Rohypnol starts to kick in, he's absolutely sure he sees Bruce come in out of nowhere and wreck the Trafficker's shit.
The randos filming the incident think they just saw someone's dad almost murder a bitch, and then heard said dad mention roofies.
When the videos are posted online, and the dad is "identified" as Bruce Wayne, Bruce has three things happen.
First; he's getting a lawsuit from the woman.
Second; he's also getting notified through this that he has a doppleganger or clone. He will need to investigate, as he needs to thank the man.
Third; his image has become pristine in the eyes of Gotham, and has also become yet another wholesome meme.
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did lizzie ever kill anyone in legacies (who she didn't know would come back)? i just started thinking about it and it's very possible i'm forgetting something but i don't think she did?
#and like. if she didn't i think she might be the only one. mg killed landon (and yes he came back and yes mg was out of control and felt#awful about it but he did kill landon without knowing he'd come back.)#finch killed her grandfahter which i am extremely hesitant to count esp bc i would argue that he really killed himself there#but the werewolf curse disagrees with me so. i'm counting it idk.#josie killed people (lizzie and alyssa. i'm not sure if there are any others?)#hope killed lizzie (not knowing she'd come back) and that one bar vampire and some others i'm sure i don't remember everything yknow#do we know if kaleb killed anyone? i wouldn't be surprised if he had at the beginning but idk.#i know he says stuff about not wanting cleo to see his past so like. i would not be surprised if he killed someone at some point.#though it could also just be about how he used to look at humans in s1 but. idk. and jed killed his dad (justified but still true. i'm not#Just tlaking about unjustified killings). ben and jen idk about. i have a hard time believing Jen's never killed anyone but idk about ben.#he was gonna kill kaleb but it didn't happen so. yknow#also cleo is... complicated bc like. her AND hope killed cleo killed ken like it was a group effort. but if we put ken to the side then#there's another complicated thing which is that like. i was talking about actually killing someone and i was talking about not knowing#they'd come back but like i meant like not REALLY taking someone's life away and so the whole cleo trying to kill hope thing#is a bit complicated. bc she didn't Actually kill her but it wasn't like with lizzie where lizzie stopped herself. she was only stopped bc#of hope and then landon she was fully gonna do it. and she Did know hope was gonna come back but to me that's different than when lizzie#snaps hope's neck knowing she'll come back or when jed snaps ben's neck knowing he'll come back bc like. it's just different yknow#jed knew ben would come back the same and lizzie knew hope would come back the same. it's more like incapacitation than murder in#practicality. but what cleo was trying to do WAS taking Hope's human life away. it was taking something away from her as opposed to just#taking her out for a minute. i GET cleo's reasoning. i don't hate her and i'm not mad at her at all. genuinely love her. but i do think#that the whole hope thing should kinda count since she had every intention to go through with it#i don't know if landon or raf ever killed anybody. i don't think they did actually. i kinda forgot about them tbh. oh but for hope#she did also kill landon. didn't think about that#updating to say raf killed his girlfriend and i just completely forgot about that? when the killing thing is literally a part of the#werewolf stuff. lmao. and landon killed the necromancer so. they have actually both killed someone.
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