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misandriste · 2 years
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imjustalittleman · 1 year
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Context: Lena debating her morality, and Kara having none of it
Lena: "Kara, I'm a Luthor, and you're a Super. We're not supposed to get along."
Kara: "Just because Lex and Clark have a complicated relationship -"
L: "Not complicated. They absolutely hate each other."
K: "Hate is a very strong word, Lena."
L: "And yet..."
K: "Look. Just because they are on bad terms-"
L: "...and my family is basically the epitome of evil..."
K: "You're not like them!"
L: "How do you know that? This could all be an act."
K: "You wouldn't do that."
L: "Wouldn't I? They may not be my blood fully, Kara, but they raised me for the better part of my life. I knew Lillian never truly loved me as her own, but Lex treated me like family. He used to be so kind, Kara. Not at all like he is now. He used to have a heart and a conscience, but somewhere along the way, they just vanished. How do I know that that's not going to happen to me, too? What if, one day, I just stop caring? Stop feeling?? What if my mind begins to be bent on destruction, and I can't stop that. Luthors are bound to be evil. That's what everyone says. It's a common fact at this point, really."
K: "Lena. Lena, look at me. You're not going to turn out like that."
L: "How can you be so sure?!"
K: "Because!! You are Lena. Fucking. Luthor. You are the woman who is making a new name for herself. You face danger and death threats more often than I would like to see, but none of that affects your wonderful, beautiful motivation. You've done too many good things to just throw them all away! You even inspired me to be a reporter."
L: "...I did?"
K: "Yeah. You did. And I'm not going to let you fall. Ever. Because, believe it or not, you're a hero in your own way. You saved the lives of several aliens on this planet. You switched the isotope of your own accord. That was all you."
L: "Well, I'll tell you it didn't make me feel good that Supergirl was lecturing me about my personal life..."
K: "But it inspired you?"
L: "If that's what you want to call it."
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pinkpalletloves · 1 month
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So, I was playing sims mobile, and I accidentally removed Kara Danvers from my house. She had a full love story going on with Lena Luthor and all. So I was like, no biggie, I will just make another sim exactly like her and call her the new Kara Danvers.
So I made a new Kara. I even gave her a house that is just going to be for superheroes. Like, I have got Clark there. And also Loki and Thor from Marvel. I am planning on adding more characters from DC and Marvel there too. I also gave this new Kara a similar love story with Lena.
But then plot twist. The old Kara returned. She isn't a playable sim anymore, and is basically a random townie now. I can't play with her, but her stories with my other sims are still intact. (Can't do her Supercorp story though, since it was started by her and not by Lena).
But she is hanging around at the new Kara's house all the time. And is staring at her creepily. It is scary. Like, she knows this new Kara stole her life and she is out for revenge now. I find it both hilarious and scary. Kara is haunted by another Kara. 🤣😂
(For context: The one in red dress is the new Kara, and the one in black clothes is the old one. The dude in green suit is Loki. The one in white sweater is Clark, and the guy in red jacket is Thor.)
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lightdancer1 · 1 year
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Now that I'm reaching the halfway point with Desolation Row:
That's really where the fun part begins. Karen Starr gets to be a rather more consistently there character with this half, as with her relationship with Death, which will be evolving different to it with the magic fam, and will build on things I've done in the Death Cycle with the Death/Karen relationship there.
In particular for Karen it ends up circling back to her being the last survivor of an entire extinct multiverse, with literally nobody left. And for Death, who has very, very few people who actually want to be around her knowing who she is, someone who knows, who saw her at the lowest possible point and wants her anyway, without having the obligatory aspects of family is basically catnip.
Kara and Lena Luthor are also going to play a bigger role in the second half, as Kara and Karen have a kind of sibling relationship and Kara, for understandable reasons, is somewhat protective of Karen given they are cross-time parallels of each other.
Beyond all this, of course, is Endless family dysfunction, and the ways that Delirium's debt, and what that turns into with her and Death's sibling relationship in this particular AU, and Destruction's whole 'oops I kind of lived up to my function a bit too much' complex ends up with, as well.
I've done the whole 'Death and Dream relationship strained to or past a breaking point' thing in In Much Wisdom, this work isn't one that relies on that trope. It will, however, have a bit of a mirror to the other story in that being confronted with something much like some of the things he does in his more sadistic moods done by someone else with access to his powers actually forces Dream to begin to reassess things and to grow as a person for the better.
The family drama in this one is mostly saved for Destruction, who's made his own aspects of it and laid the groundwork for that.....and for Destiny, who belatedly has a few realizations and equally belatedly starts working to correct them. Unlike the In Much Wisdom case, here Death's actions were rooted in blissful ignorance by virtue of the forced amnesia meaning she has neither context nor any particular knowledge of why her family freaked out.
And of course she ended up fighting a war with Hell and 'winning' with Lucifer's part of the story far from done and the cosmic hierarchy slightly shaken by what was, in the end, a set of misguided decisions that spiraled out of control because Lucifer got lazy with intrigue from complacency and overshot something thinking that there was a moment of genuine opportunity that misfired. It's more of a case of 'didn't think things through fully from phoning it in' but it still counts, and the loss of multiple high-level Hell lords and the effects of that, plus things not seeming quite as certain, are going to be shaping events, too.
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impostoradult · 2 years
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So part of the reason it's worse than SPN is because at the very least there was acknowledgment that it wasn't all in your head. SG literally did a water downed version of the Korrasami ending while putting SOOOOO much emphasis on the word friend. It would have been better if one of them acknowledged it and it wasn't reciprocated because then there's at least tht validation that you weren't making it up. You weren't just seeing what you wanted to see. And while everyone that's not viewing everything through a heterosexual gaze could see the subtext, at the end of the day the show went out of its way to make the fans seem delusional and the ending onlu served to bolster that.
On top of that they started playing Landslide, which anyone that was around during Glee, knows that that song holds tremendous meaning for the gay women, it was the little bit of acknowledgement for Brittana before they became canon. So to couple that lack of acknowledgement with the overemphasis on friendship and then that song, it's definitely in my book as the worst queer bait. I'm 30, I've seen a lot of it in my day and this one was especially egregious.
Please don't take this as downplaying what they did with SPN, because that was atrocious. Just giving a little context.
I definitely take your point that having SOME canonical acknowledgement of it counts for a lot. And to be fair to Supernatural, they did do that. It was horrifically unsatisfying for a wide variety of reasons, but they did technically 'go there.'
(Although, now there is a weird attempt by number of parties involved with SPN to retcon it into being platonic or ambiguous. So just understand - people (including people involved with the show) will still call you a delusional shipper even AFTER they put in an explicit love confession. There is literally no escaping that. No matter how concrete it seems, people will still do their very utmost to de-queer it)
But here's where I would still argue SPN keeps its #1 title in this arena (and I will very much grant, the following analysis IS subjective and based on my personal criteria for evaluating something like this):
1) Supernatural was just ON for a much longer time than Supergirl, and Lena Luthor wasn't even a character until season 2. That queerbait lasted 5 seasons and 96 episodes. Supernatural was on for 12 seasons that included Castiel, he appeared in 148 episodes, and he was part of the narrative for over 260 episodes. In other words, Supernatural fans were strung along for a much longer span of time (both in terms of calendar years and in terms of story-content).
2) Supernatural also I think takes the cake for nature of narrative they constructed around Destiel. I've seen a number of queerbaits in my day, and a lot of them primarily manifest as a strong, romantically coded intimacy between the two characters. The writers use stereotypical romantic tropes with the characters, there are running textual ~jokes~ that suggest they have a romantic dynamic, the two characters simply have a bond that seems deeper than a typical friendship. I've seen this in a number of pairings - Johnlock, House/Wilson, Rizzoli/Isles, SwanQueen, etc.
And Supernatural has that in excess, don't get me wrong. But I need to emphasize something here that is very literal and not hyperbole: in the canon of Supernatural, Castiel's love for Dean is literally holding up their whole cosmic universe. Literally.
It's hard to summarize how this is so succinctly, but basically, God is the final antagonist within Supernatural and he eventually explains he's been trying to end Sam and Dean's story by having one of them kill the other one. He keeps trying to make this happen but it never quite works, and so the story keeps going and going.
And the reason it doesn't work is because Castiel defies Heaven and God (due to his love for Dean) which throws the story off track, and God never manages to get it back on track again.
In the canon of Supernatural, God has been writing the Sam & Dean story over and over and over and over again, trying to get it perfect. Each version happens in 1 universe, and there have been thousands of versions/drafts/universes. And in every other version he writes, one of the brothers kills the other, which brings the story to a close (and ends that universe).
Eventually God explains that in all those other universes where the story happened as he planned, Castiel never rebels for Dean. He continues to be loyal to heaven. The ONLY universe where Sam & Dean avoid the fate God has chosen for them is the one where Castiel falls in love with Dean, and defies God for him. Which keeps their universe intact.
This is a canonical part of Supernatural's story and mythology.
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I get how frustrating it is for two same gender characters to be written in such a strongly romantic way and to get no acknowledgement or satisfaction from it. I've had that experience a number of times and it is always agonizing.
But Supernatural CANONIZED textually that Cas's gay love for Dean was more powerful than God and the only thing keeping their universe from collapsing.
For this reason (IMO) Supernatural remains in its own category when it comes to the narrative significance of the same gender romance they STILL refuse to even name as such, unequivocally.
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whythinktoomuch · 4 years
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It’s upon the 26th consecutive re-read of her thesis that Lena gives up, flopping onto her perpetually unmade bed with something that starts off in a huffy sigh, but ends on a more growly note of displeasure. After berating herself yet again over her own failings and routine frustrations, she checks the time—midnight for her, 9pm for California. She reaches for her phone.  
Lena’s complaining the moment the line connects, “Will you please remind me why I’ve decided to put myself through this all over again?”
“… Gonna need more information,” Andrea says, somehow entirely unfazed.
“Like, why am I going for my PhD? I basically already have a job lined up for me at Luthor-Corp that I’m adequately qualified for with just my master’s.”
“Since when were you happy with being just adequately qualified for anything?”
“Are you suggesting that I’m an overachiever?”
Andrea snorts. “Do I even have to suggest it?”
“You’re laughing at me right now, and that’s fine, but I really am going to fail. I’m going to botch my defense, and flunk out, and be the laughingstock of MIT, and—”
“Oh, hey, Andrea!” Andrea cuts in, all faux casual and cheery. “How are you, Andrea? Aw, really? Well, I missed you too, Andrea; thank you so much for asking!”
“This is serious,” Lena says in a whine. “I’m like this close to failing and becoming an actual, bona fide loser. Do you want to be best friends with an actual, bona fide loser?”
“You are not going to fail.”  
“You have to say that ‘cause you’re my friend.”
“No. I don’t have to say anything,” Andrea says. “Except I’m sure as hell not gonna be friends with a loser who’s flunked out of MIT of all places, so… pull it together, babe.”
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Lena stays silent, just rolls onto her back with an exaggerated pout. Yet, somehow, Andrea must hear it over the phone because she lets out a sigh—long-suffering, yet short-lived.
“All right then,” she says, resolved. “Walk me through it, darling.”
Lena almost laughs. “What...”
“From the top, come on,” Andrea says. “And dumb it down for me.”
This time, Lena has no choice but to laugh. “Okay, now you’re just being ridiculous… At this point, you know my work better than I do!”
“Well, pretend that I don’t. Pretend I’m… oh, I don’t know, what’s the name of the last guy you dated again? The real dumb one?”
“Jack Spheer wasn’t dumb!”
“Not him,” Andrea says, a blatant eye-roll implicit in her scoff. “He was fine. But wasn’t there someone else? A Tommy of some sort or another?”
“No...?”  
“You sure?”
Lena huffs. “Yes! I don’t have time to date. You know that.”
“Yeah. I do.”
… And Lena should probably say something in response to that, something that acknowledges Andrea’s suddenly soft tone and maybe even the context. And she’s tempted to; she’s always been tempted to, of course. But as always, Andrea quickly moves on without her.
“But come on,” Andrea says, all bright and casual once more. “Just do it. It’ll help.”
Lena rubs at her forehead with a heavy sigh. “Okay, fine…” she finally says. “So… like... if we’re measuring the emissivity curves at two different polarizations, the radiometry setup should be—”
“Nope!” Andrea cuts in right away. “Not there. Go from the very beginning, beginning.”
“But that’s not the part I’m having trouble with,” Lena says flatly.
“So? I’m dumb and need the whole context, remember?”
“You’re not dumb,” Lena grumbles under her breath, which Andrea acknowledges with only a simple hum. “Ugh, fine, fine…”
So, Lena does it. She reluctantly, but oh so diligently starts explaining everything from the very beginning. The literature review of all the research and theories that came before her own, occasionally colored with some commentary when appropriate. And every time Lena says something offhand—some concept taken for granted—Andrea makes her go back, insisting that Lena break it back down to the very basics.
The entire process is as frustrating as it is tedious because Lena already knows all this. She already knows every single detail from the inside out: facts, figures, statistics, particulars, all thoroughly well-worn and established. It’s stuff she barely needs to acknowledge anymore—given how clear-cut and dry they were—so honestly, this whole thing’s a huge waste of time… until it isn’t.
Until she’s still 50 pages away from the section she’s stuck on, and something absolutely clicks, and it’s something so obvious—so practical, yet so rudimentary—that Lena can’t help but bark out a laugh of pure delight before rattling off her realization.
“Well, there ya go,” Andrea says wryly, as Lena continues to laugh and laugh. “Did you even need me here for that?”
It’s a joke, obviously, but Lena’s giddy now and it’s late enough into the night that she’s willing to offer something more substantial. “I always need you,” she says naturally as ever. “You know that.”
Lena could almost hear Andrea holding her breath over the long, thoughtful silence that follows her rather casual remark. But what’s a risky comment or two between a couple of best friends?
“Just say the word,” Andrea says finally. “And I’ll take my private jet. I can be in Massachusetts in like five hours.”
“You don’t have a private jet.”
“My dad has one, which means I have access to one.”
“No, you don’t.”
“Well, fine, maybe I don’t,” Andrea says, snorting. “But, wow, you really do love to shoot down an extravagant romantic gesture, huh?”
Now Lena’s the one holding her breath. “… Romantic?”
“Yeah,” Andrea says it so effortlessly, but there’s an anxious undercurrent of eagerness through it all. An implicit message of, I’m jumping… Will you jump with me?
“Well… I guess I don’t really mind it coming from you,” Lena says eventually (Yes. Yes, I will). 
The pressure builds up and swells then, flourishing in the ever-extending expanse of everything unsaid. It finally overflows when Andrea releases a breathy laugh.
“I mean, you were right about the private jet thing,” she says. “My dad’s not going to lend it to me on a whim, unfortunately.”
“What a dick,” Lena says, and they both laugh at that, and it’s exhilaration and relief rolled into one. “Can’t wait till we’re independently rich. We can privately jet all over the globe to each other.”
“Guess we’ll just have to gravely suffer in the meantime.”
Lena rolls her eyes, and people say that she’s dramatic. “We can still visit each other, you know. I’m more than willing to rough it out in first class for you.”
“To Berkeley?” Andrea says, incredulous. “You would absolutely burn, my love. Your skin’s no match for the likes of an unforgiving Californian sun. You know this.”
“I’ll have you know that there’s sun everywhere, and I’ve been sunburnt plenty of times right here in Massachusetts.”
“Hmm, not sure if that’s something I’d be bragging about.”
“I’m not bragging,” Lena says, huffing. “I’m complaining!”
“When aren’t you?”
Normally, this is where Lena would feign indignation and hang up on Andrea. Then Andrea would promptly carry on the gag by texting an apologetic heart emoji or even an I love you!!! with a sad smiley. It’s just what they’ve always done in lieu of saying goodbye, and probably always will do, no matter what happens. Plus, judging from the increasingly late hour, Lena should most definitely kick off this long-established routine sooner rather than later. 
And yet... 
“So,” Lena says slowly after a brief pause. “What’s been going on with you? You haven’t told me about your day yet.”
... maybe there’s some value in getting back to the basics, after all. 
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occidentaltourist · 3 years
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Ok, I know you've said you would be totally ok with sc not being endgame and that you do believe the relationship between Kara and Lena can be read as platonic on the show. Do you feel the same about Lena's feelings though? I would never want them to do an unrequited love arc, especially for the final season but sometimes with Lena's beahviour is hard to believe she is not at least a little bit in love with Kara and is not only platonic love. She's not like that with others
Good question! (I’m also not a fan of the unrequited love idea in this context.) 
I could probably see it more with S2 Lena as she was originally introduced? She was basically isolated from everyone except Kara and Lilian, and we had no frame of reference other than those two relationships.
Four seasons later we now have a clearer idea of how, when she loves someone, Lena loves with her whole heart. And if the person is in trouble and she has the ability to help them, there’s literally nothing she won’t do to help. 
When she thought she could still help Lex she dragged Andrea deep into the jungle to chase this fuzzy idea of the Acrata medal on the off chance her mom wasn’t just spinning fairy tales and this magical item could save him. This brother who abused and manipulated her since she came to live with the Luthors ... and she still loved him.
When Sam was having blackouts and couldn’t understand what was happening to her, Lena dropped everything and dedicated every hour, night and day, to figuring out what was wrong and finding a way to help her. She did ‘little’ things like pick up Ruby from the skating rink and stash her in the Luthor mansion, and big things like risk her life with Reign and keep everything a secret from everyone, including James.
I see the way she loves and tries to help Kara as part of this pattern of just going all out anytime someone she loves - familial, platonic, romantic love - is in trouble. But I also see where others are coming from, and how the show sometimes frames things, and think that reading works too. :)
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thisoneisstrange · 3 years
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OK IM BACK. LETS DO THIS. This is going to be broken down into sections because i’m a mess and this cannot be.
Ok. J’onn first
I’m dying. this is one of the first times we actually hear him say “i consider her a daughter”. like, we already knew this, Winn called it like four years ago, but it still means something. him also saying “i need to leave my emotions behind and focus on being a soldier” IS GONNA COME BACK AND BITE HIM IN THE BUTT SOON I CAN JUST TELL. Because his emotional connection to the Danvers Sisters tm is basically what’s keeping him going. trying to find his daughter figures and keeping them safe and alive is THE ONLY THING PROPELLING HIM FORWARD. Yknow except for M’gann. this is gonna come back to haunt him soon. him snapping at Silas was also not ok, but we can understand why he did it. Alex/Kelly: there relationship was definitely a main focus in this episode, given that it’s focused on trying to get Kara back from the phantom zone, and obviously they’re a part of it. but the main focus was Alex (not) telling Kelly about Supergirls identity, but Kelly picking it up through context clues. because we all know that Kelly is extremely observant. a pair of glasses and a ponytail wouldn’t have fooled her in the slightest. but the fact that either the writers slipped up or they just didn’t write that scene where Alex actually verbalizes that Kara is supergirl is a huge mistake. like when Alex says “i don’t know if karas coming back/ i can’t live in a world without her” (paraphrasing) and the Welcome Home Kara sign is just URGHHHHHHHHHH because they should have at least touched in it after Lena had told her to tell her, because that leaves a lot to speculation. which i know is what the writers do best but PLEASE. Lex: Lex FUCKING lLuthor deserves all of the bad karma right now. IM PISSED AS SHIT. i mean, leave it to a manipulator to pull the “they’re just women and they’re clouded by emotions” card like what the actual fuck is wrong with you?!?!??!! Like, u want to have Lena investigated when SHES. OT THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH WITH THE MIND CONTROLLING. No offense to Mr. Cryer but if i could fight one fictional character it would be lex luthor. well, him and Severus Snape but that’s a different story. AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON LILLIAN AND THE JURERS. Like, leave it to the white men to fucking AQUITT HIM. Like ofc u don’t find him guilty. URGHHHHH IM GONNA START PULLING MY HAIR OUT. And then Lillian thinks that she can just SWITCH UP??? LIKE PICK A SIDE DEAR. Brainia: @ the supergirl writers. please leave my babies alone. they haven’t done anything to you. Supercorp: not very much of a supercorp episode, but they gave us a lot last week, and this one wasn’t focused on it so i can let it slide. Thank you for letting me rant and congratulations if you’ve made it to the end!! I’m going to go to sleep, but i will probably be back tmr ranting again about stuff i forgot. enjoy the peace and may the odds be ever in your favor :)
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knives-and-lint · 3 years
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first lines meme!
Rules: List the first lines of your last 20 stories (if you have less than 20, just list them all!). See if there are any patterns. Choose your favorite opening line. Then tag 10 of your favorite authors
I was tagged by @bohemicns, (who is brilliant btw) and I’m going to do ten over twenty, because that feels like A LOT. 😋 But I will skirt the rules a bit and include chapters, if that’s okay..? (And perhaps more than a single line for context, because starting a fic with just one clipped sentence is seriously a habit with me...)
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1. Orange Rhyming Dictionary, Nancy Drew, Ace/Nancy College AU
Of course the elevator is out of order.
The sign stating such is scribbled on in permanent marker, with 'always' written before out, and 'fucking' before order. 
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2. Whispers in the Dark, Nancy Drew, Ace/Nancy, S2 speculation 
The sound is something you learn to take for granted.
Waves breaking on the coast. Whether it be rocks at the bottom of a cliff, or the endless miles of sand lined beaches, the crash and hiss echo across town just the same. An infinite supply of white noise your ears happen to catch among the bustle of any other day. Nancy hears a growl in it now. The low rumble of a sea creature calling for their heads. Pay the debt you owe, it seethes. Blood for blood. Bones for bones.
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3. Smart Girl Detective, Nancy Drew, Ace/Nancy, High School AU
Ace isn't used to seeing other kids his age inside the police station.
But there she sits, on the wooden bench next to the chief's office, with an outfit that radiates she was found in a place no one was supposed to be. Strawberry blonde locks spill from underneath a solid black beanie, as gloved hands toss a flashlight back and forth between them, while the girl's eyes stare blankly at the shoes on her feet.
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4. South of Heaven, CAOS, Sabrina/Weird Sisters, Damnation Part 3
Chapter 1: It's mildly disconcerting. To be surrounded by light. Enveloped in it. Swallowed by it.
Chapter 2: Sabrina learns the hard way, that while discovering she is fully capable of flight, the preexisting knowledge of how to land does not come with it.
Chapter 3: When Sabrina opens her eyes, it's not the wooden ceiling of their church she sees, rather the plain white of the Academy's infirmary.
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5. 27, The Magicians, Quentin/Julia, Alice/Margo, Timeline AU, basically mini fics packaged as a whole fic 
Chapter 1: “I'm telling you,” Margo insists, hands on her hips, and staring up at the TADA sign on the opposite wall. “There's something there.”
Chapter 2:  Their eyes keep meeting from across the room.
Chapter 3:  “I was a goose!”
Chapter 4:  Julia is beginning to wonder, if a former student put a glamour on her favorite spot in the living room, because every time she sits there no one ever seems to see her. Lucky break, when Margo and Alice come rumbling down the stairs, clearly in the middle of an argument.
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6. something to remind me, Supergirl, Red Daughter/Lena Luthor, Kara/Lena
This isn't the kind of thing she does regularly.
Drinking. Namely drinking alone, is very much something done regularly, but always within the confines of her office. Sitting by herself on a stool at the end of a high class hotel bar, however, is the exception to the rule. Something about the stress of the last few weeks, has left her feeling very much the caged bird, and a little voice inside began to cry for her to be let out.
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7. Living in Sin, CAOS, Sabrina/Weird Sisters, Damnation Part 2
Chapter 1: Sabrina rolls onto her side, hand reaching across the mattress, and coming into contact with something that wasn't there when she fell asleep. 
Chapter 2:  Agatha is perched at the head of her bed, when Sabrina enters the room, book resting in her lap as she moves to flip a page.
Chapter 3:  Sabrina bursts into the dorm room, pulling the bag from her shoulder and slinging it on the bed, as Prudence spins around ready to defend herself from this unforeseen irruption in activity.
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8. Play with Fire, CAOS, Sabrina/Weird Sisters, Damnation Part 1 
Chapter 1:  Sabrina adjusts the strap on her shoulder, bag bouncing against her hip as she walks through the woods, taking deep lung fulls of crisp autumn air.
Chapter 2: “So how does it work exactly?” Sabrina asks. They're standing among the headstones in the yard, eyes casting back to her body slumped along the bench back on the porch. 
Chapter 3:  “It's good to see you!” exclaims Roz, pulling Sabrina into a hug.
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9. Rites of Spring, CAOS, Sabrina/Weird Sisters
The moon is a sliver above their heads, gouging itself into the night sky, shining just enough light to illuminate the trail. Pinkies all linked together, as is their custom, they walk along with faces forward anticipating the events to come. 
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10.  Cherries in Brandy, CAOS, Sabrina/Weird Sisters 
When it happens, the moment itself is rather insignificant.
Sabrina and the Weird Sisters, loitering about after choir practice, singing random passages from the songbook for lack of something more interesting to do. Prudence has the most well rounded voice, but Agatha can carry a note for longer than all of them, and Dorcas can match a harmony as easily as snapping her fingers.
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Well, like I said, my biggest pattern (habit) is using a single clipped sentence quite often. I guess I just imagine that I’m about to tell a friend a story, and try to say something brief but interesting enough to grab their attention. 
As far as a favorite, maybe the one for Whispers in the Dark. When you live near a large body of water, the sound of it is something you take for granted after awhile, and hearing a monster growl beneath the depths would definitely pique my interest if I come across it. (at least i hope it did) 
Cheers, Lucy! Am flattered I was included in your tags. As far as tagging others, I guess whoever sees this and wants to? I honestly don’t remember who follows me on here that writes, and that’s my swiss cheese memory for you. Apologies. 
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ruffiorocks · 4 years
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One step forward 30 steps back 🤦‍♀️
I've seen three clips from the episode and I think that will be enough, I'm not even going to bother trying to find somewhere to watch the episode.
(Disclaimer, I've only seen clips since the beginning of crisis, so if I've missed something that explains the bullshit below please tell me)
The first clip? The preview? That was almost enough to entice me back, but seeing what people are saying made me realise I did the right thing in stepping back from this show.
The second clip of Kara and Lena in the fortress has confirmed I made the right choice in stepping back.
I mean, this is worse than Game of Thrones! Do the writers even remember their own snow any more?! I don't know the context but rather than explaining to Lena what she was doing Kara just dismissed her? But worse than that, f**king worse than that Kara "I go where I want, when I want, into whatever house i want and whatever building I want, even down to turning up at the Oval office uninvited, just told Lena she was "TRESPASSING?!!" Is this show for real? Wasn't it literally the last episode Kara turned up at Lena's apartment and came in UNINVITED? Hasn't Supergirl been doing that since season one?
Oh I forgot 🤦‍♀️ it's like when Kara and the gang kill people, it's OK for them, the rules don't apply to them because they are good guys and we can instantly forget this ever happened right?
The last clip I saw? I enjoyed to begin with, Kara was reading the book Lena gave her. Alex is for some bizarre reason calling her father by his first name??? But Kara quotes the book, Alex says she can't believe Lena gave her the book annnnnnd then Kara delivers this line "Maybe she realised I was right about Lex".
Are the writers actually kidding here?! You think that Lena would want to mend bridges with Kara because Kara was right that Lex is a tool?
The self righteousness they have given Kara is so irritating.
I would have re-written that scene and cut Lex out entirely, since Kara and Lena's friendship and fight was never based around Lex. Don't put him where he doesn't belong! Don't shift the blame for the rift on him, Lex may have lit the fuse but he isn't the one who soaked that friendship in gasoline.
I would have had Kara say "Maybe she's come to realise that I meant it when I said I was sorry and she's had time to process that, she knows her recent actions have been wrong but she wants to work things out, and she's taken the first step."
That whole scene just absolved Kara of any blame in the breakdown of their friendship and made her say it was basically all Lex's fault.
This is the issue with having so much Lex Luthor on the show. Jon Cryer does a great job! One of the best Lex's I have seen, BUT he shouldn't have had more than a max 3 episode arch.
We can't really see the dynamics of Kara and Lena because we are to busy seeing what Lex is doing.
They have Lena falling for Lex's bullshit while still being sceptical of him? Why should Kara have to say "maybe she saw I was right about Lex?" When Lena already knows this? She has known since she first appeared that Lex is a psychopath! She may harbour love for him still, like when she saves him from cancer, but she knows not to trust him. But the writers, forgetting their own canon need Lena to be alienated and manipulated by Lex? Who she by all counts shouldn't trust? It's not like Lena doesn't have her previous memories! They even have Lena coming to the fortress and declaring Lex to be erm.... right?! Lex Luthor, the master manipulator was right?!
Then we have Kara thrown into pointless scenes with the most boring character Supergirl has ever given us in the form of William Dey. He's not even interesting, heck at least Mon El was an interesting character. You either loved him, hated him or were conflicted about him. Whenever William turns up I'm like "Oh yeah, I forgot he was on this show". He's just plain "meh".
I can't even 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
Someone wake me when this show makes sense again please.
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melissaloveskatie · 4 years
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Now for the serious part.
Let’s talk about Lena’s behavior . 🤓.
Why is she acting the way she is and is it really OOC or just not?
You see, the reason I’m mentioning this is because I’ve read a LOT of comments mentioning the fact that in their opinion, Lena doesn’t act AT ALL like she normally would, that she is not evil and that the writers are doing a horrible job writing her very OOC.
But are they really writing her OOC?
No, they aren’t. But, Hear me out before you start throwing tomatoes 🙃
Let’s start with the basics: CONTEXT.
There are a couple of things the show has been hinting at us since the beginning. The most important is that EVERY CHARACTER has their own metaphorical Kryptonite, and in the case of Lena Her kryptonite is BETRAYAL. The show certainly didn’t shy away from making Lena, Kara, James and even Alex remind us of how important is loyalty for Lena and how hard it is for her to open herself up and TRUST people. We all know why... Lex...Lilian...and pretty much every assistant Lena has ever had.
The issue with Betrayal in particular is this:
When you discover someone you fully trust has been lying to you and therefore DELIBERATELY HURTING YOU, it pulls the proverbial rug of reality from under you.
Feeling betrayed ( which also means you are left feeling USED AND ABUSED) utterly undermines your sense of what’s real. It creates self doubt and harms your self esteem.
Now imagine having to pick yourself back up over and over and over and over again from being betrayed since when you were 5. Imagine thinking you’ve finally found someone so good, so kind , so pure that you give them automatic access to every part of your life only to them find out they might have been taking advantage of your blind faith all this time...
If you were wondering why Lena’s true intentions were so hard to read during this first episode, now you know it is because NOT EVEN LENA KNOWS how to feel and she is NOT in control of her emotions.
She is in a state of such mental and emotional turmoil that she is constantly ‘Hair-triggered’. Meaning her psyche is easily affected by the smallest of things.
That’s why when she thought Kara was gonna tell her the truth at her office she mildly panicked. Or why she chose not send the video Last minute, or why her usually eloquent brain improvised “piece of cake ” into that speech . And pretty much everything she does or says from that on, is her being unable to get a hold of her emotions so one second she is crying and saying Kara will always be her best friend, to then saying she can’t forgive Kara, to her expressing how much Kara means to her by telling Ev... Hope.. that Kara broke her heart.
(Yeah cause REALLY, how many times have you say out loud to ANYONE that a former FRIEND broke your heart? 🙄 😏🙃)
So no, what you’ve been watching is NOT OOC. What you are watching is a Woman who is in a VERY difficult position right now, DESPERATELY trying to ONCE AGAIN pick up the pieces of her very broken psyche the ONLY WAY SHE KNOWS:
By GIVING PURPOSE TO HER EXISTENCE.
For Lena, her self-worth is measured by her contributions to the betterment of humanity and that’s why she is obsessed with “fixing mankind”.
Sadly because of her frail state at the moment, she is going the wrong way about everything. She chose to focus on trying to fix the OUSIDE world instead of dealing with her own feelings ( the INSIDE). Now THAT’s a Luthor thing, avoiding your feelings than dealing with it.
Luckily for Lena and her “scorpionic” ideas, Kara will hopefully see through all this charade and be able reach her.
And that’s the conversation I’m REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE... especially cause Kara will have to listen to some very hard truths.
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the-ominous-owl · 5 years
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I would love to hear your thoughts of an ideal crossover for next season or maybe what to wanted from the previous ones.
i didn’t actually watch most of the crossovers, tbh. the only other arrowverse show i watch willingly is legends (love those disaster time children), and i don’t care enough about the others to a) go looking for episodes, which can be harder than is sounds coz i live in australia and geoblocking is a stupid this that exists; or b) learn enough about the backstories from other shows to have enough context to understand what’s going on.
that said, there is one crossover idea i would watch the shit out of that came across my dash ages ago. i think it was from @unnecessary-database (it was a while ago, if anyone knows for sure tell me), but the idea was basically let lena luthor go play with the legends for four episodes, because the waverider is like the island of misfit toys and lena would fit right the fuck in.
like, can you imagine the level of shenanigans possible? it would be epic. like, fuck off with that weird n*zi shit, i wanna see lena ‘please don’t say magic’ luthor playing with the time traveling demon police disaster time children and their two gay babysitters.
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I really don’t understand the logic behind this storyline the Supergirl writers are going with in regards to Lena, James and the Children of Liberty.
I’m writing this think piece as someone who doesn’t watch Supergirl much, watching specific scenes I want context to on YouTube. And usually reading a review or two on the episode. 
This is really long. Ignore me. I just wanted to write a think piece. Under the cut I’m talking about Guardiancorp, Lena’s likely descent into villainhood and James’ frustrating storyline thus far (as of 4x06). 
I’ve always been a relative defender of Guardiancorp, as in I’ve wanted desperately to give it a chance, unlike a lot of other Supercorp shippers or Katie/Lena fans in general. I always thought it could be a relationship that could have some intricacies and nuances that could be fascinating and lead to an awesomely written relationship. But instead, they’ve gone with, at the end of the day, it’s still Lex Luthor’s sister and Superman’s best friend, a doomed romance. 
S3 Guardiancorp was not half bad really. It seemed a little abrupt for my liking, especially because James had long been critical of Lena in S2 and never really seemed to change his opinion until he saw her romantically (much a criticism I had of Mon-El and Kara’s relationship), but I’m not going to complain a ton about that since Avalance, my #1 favorite ship, was also pretty abrupt. But there were a number of good moments in S3. And now in S4, it seems like they’ve just binned all of that growth and relationship development in favor of driving a wedge between James and Lena because they’re (probably) going to make Lena “evil”. It’s just disappointing in my opinion. 
I honestly understand why James felt betrayed by Lena when she told him that she got the DA to drop the inditement. Really I do. Thinking that something had gone your way because you, personally, handled it only to find out that your significant other, who you specifically told to not intervene was responsible for that thing and that they lied to you about it... That can cause some less than positive feelings. On the other hand, I think it was also way out of line that James berated Lena and reacted as strongly as he did, seemingly breaking up with her, especially after she told him she loved him and she did it to protect him because she was worried about him. And he basically just brushed her off. It shows that he has not really let go of the deep-seated distrust he has for her, as a Luthor most likely. I get him being disappointed and betrayed, but if they loved each other as much as they say they do, I would have expected him to at least acknowledge that she did that for him and that they could work it out. Instead of him storming off and then ignoring her later. I dislike the idea of using “I love you” in order to manipulate someone into staying (that’s a sign of a pretty fucking toxic relationship), but I didn’t get that vibe from Lena. It felt more that she was voicing her feelings, which we all know is difficult for her, because she wanted him to understand why she did what she did. 
And I said this in S3 and I think it’s even more relevant in S4, it’s really hard to take this “Lena is evil” storyline seriously after everything. I long wrote in S2 that I thought Lena could become “evil” either because after everything she’s ever done to be a good person and redeem her family name, no one trusts her still. Or that she would have a difference of opinion with the Superfriends that would make her evil™ in the eyes of the audience, but in reality, it’s less evil and more so conflicting opinions. After S3, they really made the “she’ll be evil because no one trusts her” storyline less and less plausible because she’s always wanted to do the right thing, despite what people think of her. She was at one of her lowest points on-screen when she thought she had poisoned all those kids with lead and yet she was still trying to fix it and when she couldn’t, she wasn’t callous enough to say “Well, I tried, too bad.” Instead, she took it really hard and felt super guilty. 
So it seems like they’re really going with the evil™ because she has an opinion that has been designed to be bad in the eyes of the audience. I honestly don’t really understand (and this may be because I don’t watch religiously) why the very idea that humans could have superhuman powers is such a negative. I obviously understand that kind of power in the wrong hands is super dangerous, especially with Agent Liberty and the Children of Liberty running around and if Lena creates that kind of technology, it will almost inevitably fall into their hands (because plot device). But it runs in the same vein of Lena being pro-gun (which anyone who thinks that’s out of character needs to get their brain checked). Yes, I think there is an inherent difference between having the opinion and doing something to invent a way for humans to have that kind of power, but even when Lena voiced the opinion to Kara, it was very much designed for the audience to be against that. I think, ultimately, what I would prefer if this had to be the storyline they’re going with, that Lena design/invent defensive abilities rather than offensive. Yes, you can still use defensive abilities for bad, offensive purposes, but it would make more sense with Lena’s thinking of using it for protection, not to actively fight aliens and I’d imagine that would go back to the idea of people abusing Lena’s inventions for purposes that she never intended, thus forcing her to work with Superfriends to overcome a mistake she made, and I’d imagine Lena would take responsibility for that mistake. (I do think this is one of her flaws though; shortsightedness, at least in regards to her inventions. She invents things to help people, but often doesn’t think about what would happen if the wrong person got ahold of her inventions and the damage they could cause)
They’ve created such an “us vs them” scenario, that people like Lena that want to try to bridge the gap get left behind and shoved into one side or the other, often the “wrong” side. Obviously, this “aliens vs humans” is parallel to “minorities vs whites” and likely has been very intentional in those similarities. I’ve always wanted Lena to be more of a morally gray character or anti-hero. And it seems like they’ve actually set that up, given her motives for doing what she’s doing. But they’ve also written the “us vs them” scenario so deep and hard that no one can be morally gray. If you’re morally gray, you’re evil. And that’s how its interpreted. And it’s probably just an inherent result of how culture (especially Tumblr black and white, “you do one bad thing, no matter the motive, you’re a bad person” culture) is. Given that Agent Liberty and (likely) Lex Luthor will be the true bad guys this season, Lena is perfectly set up to be in between the two sides. But often, if you’re in the middle, you’re on a side, usually the wrong™ side. Thus pushing her into the “villain” category instead of this middle ground character. 
Is Lena misguided in what she’s doing? Perhaps. Again, her inventions, regardless of what kind of powers she is able to create with the harun el, can always be used for bad things. And I feel like that’s the storyline they’re going to go with. Lena has even said, she is creating this for protection purposes, protecting humans from aliens. There’s a conversation to be had about blanketing certain actions and behaviors on one “group” based on the behaviors of a few. And Lena is certainly one of those kinds of people who would wary of, say African Amercian people, because maybe that person could be a “thug,” even when the vast majority aren’t and white people are just as, if not more so, capable of doing bad things. But in the context of aliens vs humans instead. And what she’s doing is basically saying that everyone needs to carry a gun (or at least have access to one) to protect from those “thugs” because you never know when you’ll get jumped in an alley. But people use those guns to commit way more murders than use them for protection, and there are ample ways to protect themselves without using a gun. And whatever inventions she makes with the harun el will always have the potential to be used for ill, especially with the Children of Liberty and Lex coming into the picture. So the question is, should that kind of technology be created at all, knowing that it will likely be used for things Lena never intended, especially because Lena is creating it for a misguided reason in the first place? And that, I think, goes back to one of Lena’s flaws of shortsightedness, at least when it comes to her inventions. She creates things because she wants to help people, but seems to not really think about the harm her inventions could create. And doesn’t weigh the benefits to the costs, or at least, not in the same way as the audience will and thus often creates things that we, as an audience, are screaming at the screen “NO, DON’T DO THAT”)
Then there’s the whole James thing. I feel like his arc is him trying to convince himself that he’s doing this to find information, but he really is doing this to feel like he’s having an “active” role in helping the cause. Being a journalist doesn’t seem to be enough for him anymore. Ever since he became Guardian, he seems to have taken that to be his “real” self and James Olsen is the skin he wears in public and it’s become increasingly like that in S4. And it’s irritating. Especially because it’s almost the complete opposite of Kara’s arc of “She’s Kara first, Supergirl second.” And learning to bridge that gap and not let Supergirl rule her life. And that she can do just as much good (if not more) as Kara as she can as Supergirl. Perhaps this parallel is intentional, but it honestly just makes James annoying, not interesting. I want him to have more screentime and storyline. He got sorely neglected in S2 and some of S3. But its like they’re intentionally giving James, the black man they’ve largely forgotten about for a season and a half, a storyline where they’re casting him in a rather unflattering light, especially to (what I see as) the most vocal of the fanbase of Supergirl. This is far less than he deserves. He deserves a storyline that lets him really explore his role as a reporter whilst also grappling with not being able to be Guardian. Not running around with the domestic terrorist group in the name of “getting information,” because he wants to stroke his own ego. While also getting mad at his girlfriend because she wanted to help him and protect him and instead of working through conflict, getting overly emotional, kind of breaking up with her, and running off. Then ignoring the conflict and running headfirst into danger. She shouldn’t have lied to him, but he shouldn’t have flipped out as much as he did. Gotten angry, sure I could understand that. But “breaking up” with her? That seems a little extreme. And had roles been reversed, Lena would most certainly have been seen as this overreacting, hysterical woman who isn’t appreciative of her man trying to protect her, even if he has to go against her wishes. It’s such a common theme in the reverse and it’s always expected for the woman to forgive a “tiny white lie” because her loving boyfriend was just trying to protect her. And for the reverse scenario to be any different is dumb. 
Anyways, as someone who doesn’t watch the show religiously, there’s probably a lot I don’t fully grasp but this is how I see it from someone who watched S2, got really into character analysis for Lena specifically and identified strongly with Lena. The storyline just seems somewhat poorly thought out and neglects a lot of the past content in previous seasons and is treating their characters as they are plot vehicles, not actual characters. They seem intent on fitting these characters into specific archetypes and roles, rather than taking their characters and letting them (to some degree) organically grow. There’s nothing wrong with having a vision for a character, but to go directly against the established canon of behaviors and personality traits to fit characters to speak to the desired plotline (they did this to Kara a lot in S2 and S3 and seem to have figured it out for S4) makes the story feel disjointed and somewhat empty. 
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beyondthesee · 6 years
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Post Mortem: L Is for Lena
As I’ve mentioned before, L Is for Lena started out as a oneshot that spanned twelve years called In Name Only. In Name Only became a longfic because I accidentally wrote 8000 words just about the first year. I eventually realized that writing it as a longfic wasn’t going to work because I was having a lot of trouble filling each chapter, so I decided to rewrite it as the oneshot it was intended to be. It still ended up being too long for a oneshot, but it was more manageable this time. That’s how I ended up with L Is for Lena.
Spoilers below the cut.
On In Name Only
A big part of why INO was so long was because I spent so much time developing OCs. In the original fic, Lena had a group of queer friends in Metropolis that she met in high school. I really liked them as characters, but I had to cut the fic down to about a quarter of the length, so they had to go. Amanda Yeh and Ryan Newbold made cameos as the girl Lena sat with at lunch (which was also how they met in INO) and the boy Lillian set Lena up with that Lex thought was too metrosexual (because he was actually gay). As much as I hated to lose them, this is also more compliant with the canon “Lena’s never had friends before” thing.
Another thing from INO I was really sad to lose was Lena’s relationship with Lionel. In INO his death packs an emotional punch because Lena was so close to him and because it came right after he acknowledged that maybe he and Lillian were unrealistic to expect Lena to just stop being gay and promised her that she’d always be part of the family. In L Is for Lena, he dies in the first chapter and we never meet him, so he feels like more of an absentee parent.
The other thing that’s different from INO to L Is for Lena is the timeline. INO was supposed to span Lena at age 15 to Lena at age 28, with her being 27 in 2017. I planned this fic in early 2017 (before “Luthors” established her age as 24), so it ended one year post-canon. L Is for Lena spans from Lena at 15 to Lena at 29 in the epilogue, but with her being 24 in 2017, so it goes to five years post-canon. It wasn’t intentional, but it gave me a lot of room to play with Lena and Kara’s relationship and also with what happens to other characters in the future.
For any of you who were following INO and are wondering what that fic’s relationship to this fic is, they don’t occur in the same universe. L Is for Lena started out as a shortened version of INO, but it evolved into its own story and I ended up making a lot of changes.
On Lillian Luthor
I actually really enjoy writing Lillian Luthor. My conceptualization of her character is that her priorities, in order, are: (1) Lex, (2) the family’s reputation, and (3) Lena. When I’m writing Lillian, I’m trying to strike a balance between a woman interacting with a daughter she genuinely cares about and a woman who’s cold and calculating and disgusted with the choices she thinks her daughter is making. So we get scenes with Lillian telling Lena that she won’t be able to appear in public with her and Lex if word gets out that she’s gay, but we also get her giving Lena pep talks before they go to Lionel’s funeral and before she testifies against Lex. Lillian Luthor is definitely a villain, but I didn’t want her to just be a flat, evil character who’s always blatantly hated Lena. I wanted their relationship to be complicated and relatable (to an extent; I hope none of us have mothers who have attempted genocide). It’s more interesting to write and, I hope, more interesting to read.
One big difference from INO to L is for Lena is that Lillian is actually a lot softer in L Is for Lena. To the extent that it was intentional, it’s because Lionel was the more understanding parent in INO. He was completely cut from L Is for Lena, and Lillian sort of enveloped his role. It’s also because the shorter format meant that basically the entire high school story line--which Lillian came out of looking really bad--got cut.
On Lex Luthor
Another thing I lost with the shorter format was all the time I spent developing Lex and Lena’s relationship and planting seeds that Lex was becoming homicidal. I sort of had to skim past all of that in that montage-like sequence in Chapter 2. In INO, I had a several scenes, and even more scenes planned, for the year before the massacre where, in hindsight, it’s clear that Lex was grooming Lena to take over the company because he knew that he’d be out of the picture soon. Some of that made it into L Is for Lena, but the benefit of a longfic is that you can really take your time building up to that kind of stuff.
I actually really like writing Lena and Lex too. I’ve always loved writing siblings, and this is a really interesting take. You have Lex, who’s a very dark, evil genuis-type character who has a soft spot for his little sister and is shocked and angry that she doesn’t understand why he did everything he did, and you’ve got Lena, who really latched onto Lex as a protective figure and feels confused and guilty about the fact that her feelings towards him after the massacre are anything short of pure hatred. 
It sort of reminds me of writing Zuko and Azula, where they might having a long, painful history together, but they’re the only two people in the world who know what it was like to be their parents’ children, and that’s a connection that’s hard to let go of. For Zuko and Azula, that’s usually what pulls them together. Lena’s story is about learning to let go of it anyway.
On mental illness
I’m using this section to tackle Lena’s depression and Alex’s alcoholism together because they really tie in with each other.
In INO, I wrote Lena as depressed sort of on accident. I meant to write her as unhappy, and I wasn’t at all upset that I’d painted a clear picture of someone struggling with depression, but it wasn’t intentional at first. That’s, again, the benefit of longfic. You have a lot of time to develop these things. I did intend to write her as depressed in L Is for Lena, and then I got to the end, didn’t think I’d made it clear enough, and had to go back and add more. 
Alex realizing that she’s an alcoholic and struggling to stop drinking was always planned for the later chapters of INO and it got transplanted into L Is for Lena as well. This is a situation where I actually prefer the time jumps that the shorter story has. I don’t have to go over, in detail, what lead Alex to decide she needed to stop drinking and the early days of recovery from a point of view other than hers, which is what I would have had to do in INO. I can just jump from “canon season 2″ to “Alex is going to AA now” a year later. 
Alex and Lena bonding over being in treatment wasn’t something that had really occurred to me, even though it seems obvious in hindsight. I just wanted to get Alex into the fic and came up with the idea that Kara asks Lena to go on a walk with her, it all sort of came together. And Lena’s been struggling with depression for so long (in INO, it sets on when she starts undergrad, here it could be as early has her being outed at fifteen) that it makes sense to me that it wouldn’t even occur to her that she could feel any other way until she saw Alex realize she needed help. I tried to take a lot of care to make it clear that Lena feels better because she’s on antidepressants and going to therapy and not just because she’s in a relationship with Kara, so hopefully that came through. I mean, having a solid support system for basically the first time ever can’t hurt, but I didn’t want to fall into the “love will cure your mental illness” trope. 
On Jack Spheer and Sam
I can’t comment on Jack’s role compared to INO because he hadn’t been introduced yet. All I can say is that he’s probably INO-verse Jack and Aisha combined. You’ll notice that I didn’t kill him. The simple answer for why is that I just didn’t want to. He was a good guy and he deserved better. 
Sam was initially not going to be in this fic at all. When I started the fourshot, I still hadn’t seen season 3. I did see it before I wrote the last chapter, and I liked Sam a lot, so she showed up. I made Ruby a little older to reflect the fact that she arrives in 2021 instead of 2017. Reign does still happen in this universe, but it happens a couple of years later, between the end of the story-proper and the epilogue. Under other circumstances I would have ended with Alex happy and single, but Alex isn’t someone who doesn’t know how to be single.  Alex’s emotional arc was about learning that she didn’t have to settle.
On Lena’s movie
The idea that Lena comes out in a biopic about her life is one that I came up with while I was writing INO, and I thought it was flashier and more original than doing a press conference, so I kept it. Before I had that idea, I struggled a lot with what actually makes Lena decide to come out. It was less of a problem in INO, when the timeline was more condensed, but in L Is for Lena, Lillian has already been in jail for a while when Lena and Kara get together, and I didn’t want to have her come out just because she felt guilty about keeping Kara closeted (although it would have been true to character), so something had to happen that made her reevaluate. 
Anyway, the idea that she gets approached about doing a biopic and decides that she doesn’t want to do a biopic where she’s painted as straight, so she’s going to come out in the biopic and dramatically kiss Kara on the red carpet is an old idea. The name of the biopic ties in with the title of the fic, but the biopic is named after the fic, not the other way around. In general, I’m not great at titles unless something comes to me and just clicks, and if I’m lucky, that will happen before the fic is posted. With this fic, the title clicked as soon as I wrote the line where Lena comes out to Lex after talking to him about renaming the company, and she says, “The L isn’t only for Luthor.” In context, the L obviously refers to “lesbian,” but I thought it was really a perfect title for a fic about a lesbian character growing up in a notorious, conservative family with a surname starting with the letter, L. Lena’s entire arc is about accepting that all those L-words are part of her and always will be, but the one that really matters is “Lena.”
I’ll admit to not having any idea who movies are made, so you’ll have to excuse the creative liberties I’ve taken.
All in all, I loved finally being able to finish this fic, and I would definitely be open to writing more in this universe in the future. There are definitely some scenes that I wish I could have included, but that just didn’t fit, so maybe.
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chilope · 7 years
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okay i need to just
go over season two episode three of super///girl real quick
the president wants to give amnesty to aliens
it’s a contentious and complex issue that warrants discussion and careful thought
kara has to interview lex luthor’s sister to see what she thinks
finds out she’s building a device that will tell you if someone is an alien or not
is justifiably horrified at the prospect of aliens being forced out of hiding by said device
writes a scathing, biased article that is basically an op ed
her editor rejects it because it isn’t good journalism, reminds her that journalists need to put their own personal feelings aside and report the facts. if the facts are horrible and racist, that should speak for itself, they shouldn’t need the journalist to add their own spin to it
kara is upset that she can’t treat the magazine like her blog
kara is confronted by an alien from a planet she hates, she remembers that she’s actually racist and that maybe being racist isn’t so bad
she rewrites the article to be less scathing, not because she realized that the facts should speak for themselves and that she, as a journalist, shouldn’t be attaching her own personal feelings to her reporting, but instead because she just changed her personal feelings about the matter at hand
she talks to lena luthor again to tell her that now she understands that it’s totally reasonable to give people the power to force aliens to reveal their identity because some aliens are dangerous
again, she changed her mind about this because she is racist, and yet this is framed as her becoming more open minded somehow? 
lena explains that “some people are just bad” which is supposed to reveal something about her character but given the context of the conversation translates to “some aliens are just bad and there’s nothing you can do about that so fuck all of em I guess”
kara vaguely disagrees i think but maybe not who fucking knows at this point
turns out the alien from the planet she hates isn’t bad and will probably be her next love interest so that’s good
the big bad for this episode is in fact a totally different alien who was hiding in plain sight and who hates the idea of aliens being given amnesty because it’s just the governments way of forcing the aliens to come out of hiding so that they can be controlled 
“But no!!!” the show insists “it’s in good faith!!!! they only need to control bad aliens like you!!!” 
therefore humans deserve to be allowed to force aliens out of hiding because some aliens are bad and only bad aliens would want to hide anyway
everything about this is so fucking lazy and horrible and it’s not even malicious, it’s just stupid. i’m sure the writers weren’t trying to send this message, they just did it on accident because they’re not very good writers and talking about this kind of stuff takes a lot of care and thought and apparently they want all the props of tackling a difficult issue without having to actually put in the work and THAT is what pisses me off
/rant over
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I hate the writing for Lena in s5. It's gone from "out of character" to "blantant character assassination" and she's basically become an entirely different character from the one they developed from s2-s4 and, in isolation, it's a character that I really don't like. If Lena's storyline this season had instead been given to a brand new character who we had no established background with, like Andrea or William, they'd be the most unlikeable character on the show... (1/?)
They had so much potential to tell an emotional and nuanced story about trust and forgiveness and Kara and Lena relearning how to be friends and what they mean to each other in the wake of The Reveal from the finale of s4 and instead they chose to just throw Lena’s character off a cliff. And it’s clear that some of the writers still really know how to write great material for Kara and Lena, but whoever is in charge just really had their mind set on this ridiculous mind-control plotline… (2/?)We could have explored how apology and forgiveness isn’t an isolated action, but a journey Kara and Lena needed to go on together and that emotional story set against the build-up to and aftermath from Crisis could have really explored what losing each other means to both characters… (3/?)Imagine how much more emotionally impactful Lena’s outburst at Kara in 5x07 would be if it had just happened in Lena’s or Kara’s apartment after we had watched Lena’s frustration simmering for the previous few episodes instead of it being in the context of Lena stealing Myriad from the Fortress after manipulating Kara into taking her there in the first place. Like, I can’t even believe I’m writing that sentence about the actions of the character I loved from her previous 3 seasons on the show(4)Lena’s actions in s5 have been so cartoonishly ridiculous. If it weren’t for the great content this fandom continues to produce and the fact that I love Katie and most of the other cast members, I’d have completely given up on this show after they made it clear that they were dead-set on destroying Lena Luthor as a character, regardless of any of her established history from the show… (5)
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This is really well said, thank you. :) I don’t have anything to add except I think many fans share your frustration and disappointment. Myself included.
From a storytelling perspective the other unforgivable part of it is how repetitive and boring the storyline is. That sneak peek is practically a carbon copy of a scene we already saw in 5a - the only difference is Lex’s presence. A big honking sign that this story actually only has a couple of episodes’ worth of substance, and the rest is filler and stretcher to force an artificial separation between Kara and Lena until almost the end of the season. Imagine all the years of story and relationship and character development, squandered on such a bad post-reveal story. Their minds!
Also: imagine being a writer/producer and having at your disposal the Luthor siblings! Before this season I’d have bet money there’s no way you can go wrong. Even the setup - Lena loses everything she worked to achieve - is gold. But they’ve managed the impossible: turn gold into garbage. Treasure into trash. Diamonds into dust. You get the picture. ;)
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