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fizzseed · 1 year
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i don’t think i can accurately describe how much i need everybody wants to rule the world by tears for fears to be in s5 of stranger things. i will combust into flame if we get there’s a room where the light wont find you / holding hands while the walls come tumbling down / when they do i’ll be right right behind you
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byler-alarmist · 9 months
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I have this great need for both older Wheeler siblings to be very, very jealous. Jealous Mike is already basically canon, but what if jealous Nancy?
We haven't really seen it with Jancy, since Jonathan seemingly doesn't hang out with or even know a single other girl in the world.
I want Nancy's friendship with Robin to grow and deepen to the point where Nancy secretly dreams of it becoming more, and when Robin finally tells her that she and Vickie are more than friends, I want Nancy to surprise herself by getting insanely jealous.
Nancy's brain is short-circuiting and Robin starts panicking, stammering and trying to explain because she thinks Nancy doesn't approve of her being a lesbian.
Meanwhile, Nancy is trying to appear so normal about it, insisting that it's totally fine and great, that Vickie is....a really great person and it's....really, really great.
Robin is uneasy, thinking Nancy is doing her best to tolerate Robin's truth despite thinking it's gross.
Robin assures Nancy that she doesn't want to make her feel weird, that Nancy doesn't need to worry about Robin hitting on her, since they were friends and nothing was going to change that. Ironically, this makes Nancy angrier.
Nancy's head is spinning and she feels these ugly feelings rising in her chest, to the point where she has to excuse herself or she'll scream.
And all she can think is.....why couldn't it be me?
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nicxxx5 · 1 year
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mike coming out to dustin while off on a mission in s5
they’ve been walking around for about an hour now, making casual conversation and commentary on the invalding aspects of the upside down into their world when dustin decides to ask.
“so i’ve been meaning to ask, what’s up with you and el?” dustin asks as he carefully steps over a vine. 
“huh?” mike turns around to look at him, a confused expression on his face in response to the question that to him came out of no where. “what are you talking about?”
“well you guys are barley talking to each other let alone in the same room anymore. honestly it’s been nice to not turn around to you guys making out every five seconds but likewise it’s a little off putting the space between the two of you” dustin comments as they continue on. 
“oh,” mike says “i mean that’s probably because we broke up.” 
dustin stops and looks up at him with a clear expression of shock on his face “what?!? when!?!” “uh, since a little after the rest of us got back from lenora?” mike offers, getting a little uncomfortable by how surprised dustin is. 
dustin looks at him with utmost sympathy “aw man dude that sucks, i’m so sorry.” mike shakes his head “nah it’s fine. it’s for the best i think actually.” dustin sputters “”for the best”?! man what are you talking about? you guys were completely wrapped up in each other just last summer, how could you even say that?”
“dustin-”
dustin continues rambling “i mean you guys were so focused on each other that you ended up ditching us constantly! which was just as annoying as it was sweet by the way.”
“dustin-”
“i mean! hell i thought you guys would be together forever considering when you yelled at us that you loved her that one time-”
mike turns around and snaps “well you’re wrong dustin!”
dustin stops short and looks at mike, eyes wide in shock and taken aback from his outburst. mike deflates a bit after seeing the reaction from one of his bestfriends. he sighs looking down at the ground. “you’re wrong. el and i aren’t gonna be together forever. and i don’t love her like that. hell i’m not even sure i ever actually liked her like that.”
“what? but you guys were together like all the time. and kissing all the time. will even said that you told her you loved her when she was fighting vecna?” dustin replies even more confused
mike sighs again “yeah, i did do all those things, because i thought that’s what i was supposed to do. what all guys are supposed to do with their girlfriends. and especially in that moment in the pizza cooler, i was so afraid that if i didn’t say what el wanted me to say, that she would have died. but...” mike pauses and looks up at the sky, almost like he’s contemplating something. “none of those things i did were because i liked her romantically.”
the two of them keep walking but dustin keeps staring at mike, occasionally looking down at his feet to watch where he steps, because some things still aren’t making sense to him. “okay, but like dude, i don’t get it? when she left with the byers, you were so mopey and miserable. i mean we could hardly get you to leave you basement, like, ever. and other times all you would do is complain about joyce’s telemarketer job because you couldn’t get through the phonelines every time you tired to call them. i thought that was all from you missing your girlfriend?”
mike sighs again, but this time it’s shaky. he looks nervous as he turns a concerning combination of both pale and flushed. without turning to look at dustin he replies. “yeah, i mean i was miserable. but...el...she wasn’t the only one who left hawkins. i mean, she left with the byers remember?”
dustin’s face still looks confused, even as he’s looking down to watch where he steps. “yeah i remember but what does that have to do with- oh, oh right will. i mean we all missed will dude, you’re not the only one.”
“dustin.” “what?” mike still hasn’t turned around to look at him, his head’s hanging low. finally he does turn around and his face is pale and eyes glassy, dustin’s never seen him look this nervous and scared before. he looks at dustin and his voice is shaky “please don’t make me say it.”
with the same puzzled look on his face dustin goes “say what? mike, i really don’t get...” suddenly every thing in dustin’s brain clicks. his eyes go wide as he finally, finally puts the pieces together. he whispers “holy shit”
mike looks away and that’s pretty much all dustin needs to confirm what he was thinking. “holy shit”
“dustin-”
“oh my god dude. holy shit”
mike sighs, trying to keep his breath as even as he can “look if you want to head back now i can finish this on my own, but please-”
dustin looks at him like he just said he was gonna go and put one of the demodogs on a leash “what?! dude no! are you insane? i just can’t believe i never fucking noticed!”
mike now looks confused “huh?”
“dude it makes so much sense now!” dustin looks at him like he just gave him the simplest answer to the word’s most complicated question “i mean it explains everything! ever since we were kids! how you were so protective of him, how you always spoke to him in that voice-”
“dustin-”
“i mean you were so defensive when it came to him, i mean you wouldn’t even let us within five feet of him that one night on halloween-”
“dustin-”
“oh my god! it also explains why you never shut up about him during hellfire- EDDIE! HOLY SHIT YOU HAD A CRUSH ON EDDIE TOO DIDN’T YOU!”
“DUSTIN!” mike has now turned beat red from all the revelations his friend is now deciding to share out into the open. dustin calms down from all his sudden realizations “sorry, man i really just can’t believe i never noticed.” and mike looks at him a little shyly “and you don’t care?” 
dustin once again looks at him like he just offered to invite the next Demogorgon them come across over for tea “what? no man” he becomes serious “you’re still one of my best friends. and besides we’ve been through way too much shit for me to care about your obvious crush on will, WHICH I CAN’T BELIEVE I MISSED-”
“dustin!” mike’s laughing now, relieved that he’s finally admitted this to one of his bestfriends and he doesn’t hate him or find him gross or disgusting, although still somewhat embarrassed by his friend’s comment towards his crush
dustin chuckles too “sorry. man, i can’t believe how oblivious i was. steve would be so disappointed in me. don’t tell him about this too by the way. i don’t need him giving me shit about not picking up on people’s feelings when he still won’t tell me why him and robin wouldn’t work out! i was so sure about those two!”
mike gives dustin a knowing look and shakes his head as he laughs and pats him on the shoulder “don’t worry dustin, i’m sure you’ll figure it out sooner or later.” and continues off in the direct they were headed. dustin stays rooted in his spot as he stares after him slightly confused. after a minute he runs after him.
“hey wait what do you mean by that? mike? MIKE?”
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taeiris · 9 months
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okay guys here’s my crazy unsupported st5 theory that is mostly just me projecting my need for madwheeler bonding and drama and angst also byler duh
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disclaimers: i never make theories so this is extremely messy probably, i know jack dookie abt writing shows i think of this as my own little version of what i would think would be very cool to happen, if this has loop holes dont ask me anything bc idk either
OKAY LETS GET ON IT
so first things first here is what i am taking into consideration for the theory to happen:
• mike pov, self reflection and introspection (he is gay and in love with will byers okay)
• madwheeler bonding, theyre both complex n misunderstood
• the upside down isnt just one dimension, i came up with this bc of how different the ud looks now
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compared to when henry arrived.
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to me theres like an umbrella dimension (yellow one) and others under it (blue one/hawkins ud, the void, etc)
this is also lowkey supported by the silly boobie diagram the writers posted abt
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OKAY PREPARE FOR THE WORD VOMIT
in this silly theory of mine, a new dimension variant of the ud will be revealed in season 5, serving as a parallel to the void. this is where max is
OKAY another thing is this is also heavily based on those “leaks” that were going around twitter (for me at least) earlier when the strike first started. i remember a few of them claiming that we would get a deeper insight into mike and his own things, so this is my interpretation
this would serve as another vanishing, not really bc its shorter, but this time mike will be getting stuck in this other dimension, eventually finding max BOOM madwheeler serve
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i mean look at them. the potential is insane
ANYWAYS
this dimension is like a combo of all the other ones, picture it like the hawkins ud, with the void’s wet floor maybe
lets go back to the fact max is here, this is her coma nightmare, its like this purgatory dimension vecna put her soul in
in this dimension inhabit your ghosts
this overwhelming, haunting, tormenting realm in your mind where you are constantly confronting all your bad memories, maybe this is kind of how vecna keeps max under his grasp, no happy memories allowed
okay so, mike gets there. how? when? i dont fucking know this is honestly just word vomit fanfiction to me
at first hes confused, scared but mostly confused, picture him screaming for wills name (the parallels) at first it’s empty and eerily quiet, but as he accepts it, the ghosts start coming in.
he gets BOMBARDED with these bad memories, some of them he cant even remember because come on, bro is always neglecting his internalized feelings/monologue in fear of what they say about him
this is where we get his pov on the whole will and eleven situation, amongst other things (like the way he’s constantly stressed thinking about the safety of the people he loves)
for a moment we see him break, bc these ghosts are LOUD and MANY
but it stops
max is here, she’s like “MIKE?”
“MAX?”
shes been here for a fat minute, she knows how to handle these ghosts in fact shes been going thru them one by one ever since, because shes done hiding. and she suspects that the only way to get out is by confronting them.
max saves mike from his ghosts, explains that this place is seemingly a purgatory with levels of memories and ghosts to overcome
this is how we get our madwheeler bonding we so graciously need, as they are part of eachother ghosts since theyre so similar it makes the other mad
this is how our complex misunderstood characters are broken down, explained to the audience, while also discovering the mystery that is this new dimension where at the finish line they might just figure out how to defeat vecna.
because they will
after overcoming the ghosts they find the place that vecna didnt think they would reach as he was so sure they would break and collapse on their own madness
think of it as how el found the source in season 3
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or how max found vecnas lair after running away in dear billy
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except this place is vecnas actual mind, they can see hear and feel what vecna is thinking, his plans and everything
mike wonders how will feels being able to feel this all the time
will feels this all the time
will is always connected to this piece of vecnas mind, to this source
he can always hear vecna
until he suddenly hears max… and mike and theyre calling for help
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theyve figured out key clues on how to defeat vecna, and they have an idea on how to get out. this is how will’s connection comes in handy
mind walkie-talkie
maybe thats what this theory should be called, idk
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so thats how we get our byler confirmation, madwheeler bonding like never before, mike focus, and the key to defeat vecna
at least in my head
i know this was messy and all over the place but it was very fun to explain and drop all my thoughts ive been vomiting on the gc for months now
let me know what you think, what you would add, if theres anything you think will support this theory?
its all just a theory, for fun! pls keep that in mind
thank you if you’ve read this far🫶
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steddie-luvr · 1 year
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i need a s5 steve harrington fight scene with his bat while ‘holding out for a hero’ by bonnie tyler plays… like before the beat drops, steve gives the bat a little twirl/flip & when the beat drops, he fucking goes HAM on everything in his path.
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polyamorous-eleven · 2 years
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El: If something from Upside Down got you, I'd hunt it down to the ends of earth so it could face me, and I would push it on the trees, walls, ground and other things so many times, that it wouldn't even know it’s stupid name
Lucas: If the fucker does something to you, I'll fucking kill it, without second thoughts. It will be dead and wouldn't know what hit it.
Will *whispering to Max*: Do they realize this is not a normal way to say I love you...
Max *whispering back*: Shut up, I find it cute
[Year later]
Lucas, holding axe: Are you ready, El?
El, hiding Nancy's gun in her shoe and taking Lucas' hand: Yes. I found him in the upside down, on the east of Hawkins. Let's go.
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solgmorell · 7 months
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TIME SKIP THEORY
I feel like the Byler tag has been severely lacking in theories lately so I wanna throw a question out there for any Byler/ST fans that want to engage. Feel free to reply to this post :)
From what we’ve gathered from the few interviews the Duffers have given talking about S5, we pretty much know that the season picks up right where S4 left off, which makes sense because the UD has fully infiltrated their world now. They’ve mentioned the show jumps straight into action from its first episode.
We also know that after the first couple of episodes, the Duffers have pretty much confirmed there will be a time jump, 2-3 years potentially.
My question is: what narrative choice will be used to justify this time skip?
Imo there has to be something important that happens in the story to justify this.
Does Max wake up? Do they think they defeat Vecna only for it to come back a couple of years later? Does someone die?
What do you guys think? I have so many theories…
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silverliing · 6 months
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anyways big part of my ST5 wishlist is seeing el wearing pink. not like the baby pink of her borrowed dress in s1 but a bright, neon, screaming fuchsia. i was just thinking about this bc of how much of el’s character and story is inspired by under the skin, even the whole aspect of the void (something that is exclusive to her powers) is a nod to the film.
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i love how we kind of see the pink already coming through in the detail of her sleeves —how they are part of her “final” unshed layer in s4— n i always saw it as being representative of her gaining a footing on her identity.
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i also love this idea bc if you’ve seen the end of under the skin, you know that come s5 el’s arc will officially stop being a reference to the film and instead become a response/continuation of that story, raising from the ashes n all that. that is if we get a happy ending for el a heem heem
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cannibalismyuri · 1 year
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guys. guys. 360 degree camera shot with willel in the upside down back to back. will has a gun and is wearing apocalyptic gear and his hair is in a shaggier bowlcut, messier since he hasn't had time to get it cut. el's hair is just beggining to grow out and get curly, she's wearing baggy apocalyptic gear that will has painted over for her since she liked the colours. both of her hands are out in front of her, her expression harder. more cunning. they are surrounded by demodogs. they won't be for much longer. will works quick with his gun and and el even quicker with her powers. she's learning what she likes and doesn't and how to be her own person, but it really does help having badass powers. overhead shot at the end with them panting, still back to back but trading silly quips while the bodies of the demodogs lay dead around them. they're learning how to grow into themselves still, but they always have each other. dialogue in between fight scene is them screaming affirmations to each other like, "hey! that one was good! you're getting better at using your powers!" and "holy shit will! that demodog you have killed was huge!" and just cute willel moments. after the overhead shot, we sharp cut to another part of the upside down with the other party. one way or another by blondie plays during the scene.
ella @nancysglock if u were to maybe possibly write a script based off this i would forever be in ur Debt (NO PRESSURE !!! ONLY IF YOU WANT TO )
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jugheadthelesbian · 1 year
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stranger things characters i need to see more of and why
• argyle: he’s literally the best character, i want to see him actually get a character arc. i want to see him get vecnaed. i want to see him and johnathan kiss tbh
• eden: she’s hot and i think she’d be a cool character. i think it’d be neat for her to be queer too and to get her vecnaed and some religious trauma (bonus for more suzzie too)
• nancy: more of her being a queen. also, id like to see her and robin bond over barb(going off of rebel robin). also we need to let natalia kiss maya bc it’s only fair. if her and steve get together again, i will pull out all my hair again.
• lucas: specifically lucas and el together bc i need them to help each other deal w max in the coma(gonna make a one shot ab this later). also i want him and erica sibling bonding. i would luv to see more sinclair family dynamic bc his parents give off good vibes. he’s also my favorite of the original party bc i also balance being a nerd and cool kid and we need representation. just feed me more lucas content or i will impulsively block people again.
• erica: girl has been through a lot and it needs to be talked ab. scoops troop being there for her would make me luv myself.
• murray: i want more murray content pleaseeeeee. him getting vecnaed and feeling guilty over alexei’s death would cure my hearing loss.
• chrissy: this one would obviously only be in flashbacks but like introducing a character that is chrissy’s younger sibling or best friend and getting some of chrissy's backstory through them. idk it could be cool
• wayne: pleaseeeee him getting involved w the upside down and stuff bc he wants to be able to bury eddie would be so good. him bonding w joyce and hopper would be a big bonus
• eddie: he’s the last on the list bc i know it probably won’t happen but bringing him back as kas would be so cool
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aemiron-main · 2 years
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mike only smiles in photos with will , so I think we deserve karen and joyce taking photos of Mike and Will together as a couple before a senior dance in s5 & they’re subtly matching with a mixture of yellow and blue and green in their outfits. and Mike genuinely looks happy and he’s smiling not only at the camera, but at will. he’s starting at will and grinning.
and maybe there’s a photo of them holding hands. and Karen and Joyce are just SO proud of their sons and Mike is complaining about Karen fussing over his outfit but he’s smiling while he complains because he can’t stop smiling around Will.
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byler-alarmist · 5 months
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Idk why, but I have this S5 headcanon of Byler having some emotional climax, maybe in the UD, and then waking up in this lush and verdant paradise.
Like a version of the UD that's green with gold light streaming in from above the trees, where all the demo-creatures are just big flowers and the bats are like, butterflies or something. Instead of a nuclear winter- blue wasteland with mutated creatures, it's a peaceful place full of non-irradiated vegetation.
(yes, this is partially because of Byler blue + yellow and together they are the key, but also I just think it'd be so nice to see them off in their own little world for a minute where everything is safe and beautiful)
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nicxxx5 · 2 years
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in st5 there should be the idea that jonathan is still mad at mike for the way he treats will and so he keeps being cold to him. then later on when he and nancy are alone he makes a comment about mike and nancy’s like “okay what is your problem with mike” and jonathan kinda goes off about how when they were in california mike never called or sent will letter and then when he visited he was kind of a douche to will and pushed him to the side and now he’s trying to act like everything's normal and that he didn’t do anything. nancy then looks at jonathan confused and goes “what are you talking about? he wrote will tons of letters” and jonathan’s like “what are you talking about?” and nancy’s like “he had a pile of them in his room- wait hold on” and then they both go up to mikes room and find the huge pile of letters mike wrote to will. they both pick up a couple and look at them. nancy says “huh i don’t know why he never sent them” meanwhile jonathan’s reading some of the letters noticing all of them are signed “love, mike” 
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chirpsythismorning · 2 years
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Something we should definitely not overlook, because it feels relevant to birthdaygate, is the individual character posters for season 4.
There's actually even an interview with the Duffer Brothers, where they were asked about this theory:
Though, I should clarify, this interviewer got a few details wrong, as it appears Max was actually looking away from the camera, not directly at it. Not only that, but she also wasn’t the only one to do so. She was one out of four total...
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Looking directly at the camera: El, Hopper, Murray, Will, Argyle, Steve, Dustin, Robin, (not shown above: Karen, Lucas, Erica, Nancy, Eddie)
Looking away from the camera, to their left: Joyce, Mike, Jonathon, Max
We could deduce that this visual choice was foreshadowing Max getting cursed by Vecna in season 4, and Matt did sort of elude to this in his response to the question, seeing as it was focused only on her. But what could this possibly mean for the other three then?
Initially, it didn’t seem like we got anything substantial enough in s4 that could have possibly paralleled Joyce, Mike and Jonathon to Max's situation, or even being cursed by Vecna like she did for that matter. Well, except—
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I do find it interesting that the same episode we see Max slowly discover she has been cursed, in an episode literally titled 'Vecna's Curse', it's March 22nd, Will's birthday, and in real time we are seeing the three people who would definitely never forget Will's birthday, presumably forget.
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Because undeniably, the first thing that crosses my mind when it comes to what could possibly connect these three characters with each other, is Will. He's what connects them all. But even more specifically, THIS scene below is what connects them all, a scene which, might I remind you, has a major emphasis on the word 'remember':
Joyce: Do you know what March 22nd is? It’s your birthday. YOUR birthday. When you turned 8, I gave you that huge box of crayons, do you remember that?
Jonathon: Do you remember the day dad left?
Mike: Do you remember the first day that we met?
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Vecna:
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Not only do I think this means that Vecna most likely took away these three's memory of Will’s birthday, I also think it means he took away this specific memory and all the memories mentioned within it.
If it's all coming full circle and everything leads back to Will, it would make sense that Vecna 'took notes' during this whole incident in 2x08. These memories and these specific people in Will's life played a role in thwarting Vecna's plans last time, so obviously, he's not going to give them the chance to do that again.
This also brings up some interesting questions:
Were those weird POV shots of the Cali gang, that looked oddly stalker-ish, meant to represent Vecna keeping a close eye on them, to make sure his plan was still in motion?
How long will this manipulation (curse) Vecna has on these three last? And to what extent? Will it all just come to a head right away in early season 5, at a moment when they're trying to save Will, but they inevitably fail because all of the relevant things that saved him last time, are now missing from their memories?
And last, but definitely not least, is it possible Mike wouldn’t have gone through with professing his love to El, the way that he did, even going as far as to say his life started the day he found her in the woods (the day Will went missing), if he had remembered already doing the exact same thing with Will…? If he had remembered the best thing he'd ever done was ask Will to be his friend? Because if this theory is correct y’all... MIKE DOESN'T REMEMBER!!!???
Well, that's all (for now)
Please be sure to check out this post if you haven't already, but even more importantly, scroll down to the bottom of that post, because there I have linked all the most incriminating evidence thus far.
And trust me, once you read all of it, it's pretty much undeniable.
I also hope this gives some validation to those of you out there who denied vehemently that Joyce, Mike or Jonathon could EVER possibly forget Will's birthday. Because you were right. Technically, they didn't. Technically it required an inter-dimensional monster for this to be possible at all. So props to ya'll and your faith in these characters! YOU WERE RIGHT!
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gay-mike-truther · 1 year
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"are you a byler rain kiss truther or a byler upside down kiss truther"
BOTH. hear me out.
it's season 5. mike has broken up with el. he's found out that will lied to him about the painting. he confronts him outside the cabin, in the rain. will starts getting defensive, mike starts getting upset.
"i don't get it! why would you lie to me!"
will doesn't know what to say. he didn't think this would happen.
"because..." he falters.
"friends don't lie, will!"
that hurts. will snaps back without thinking, "oh yeah, because you've been SO truthful mike!"
mike is taken aback. "what's that supposed to mean?"
"all you've done this past year is lie! to el, to everyone! to me!"
"that's- that's not true!"
"really? so why did you tell el you loved her when you didn't?"
"i-i-"
"you've been lying to everyone! you won't even talk to me!"
"because i-"
"why, mike? what did i do? the world is ending and we might all die and you can't even look at me!" will is on the verge of tears now. "just tell the truth!"
mike struggles for a moment. "i- i can't."
will's face crumples. "that's what i thought."
he turns and walks off the porch of the cabin, into the pouring rain. mike is seized with panic. he can't let will walk away this time. he can't let him go again.
"will, wait!"
will turns, and mike kisses him.
it's messy, and the two of them are soaked by the lashing rain. it lasts only a moment, and then the two of them are breaking apart.
there's shock etched across will's face. "mike-"
this time, it's mike who runs away.
now he is the one cycling through the pouring rain. he gets home and runs downstairs to the basement, collapsing in the blanket fort he has there, with pictures of the party. pictures of will.
"stupid." mike shakes his head, tears and raindrops rolling down his cheeks. "stupid, stupid, stupid."
(then the episode ends or something idk i'm not the duffer brothers)
they're going off on a mission. mike's been avoiding will for maybe a few days now. something dramatic happens, like maybe a gate opened at mike's house (do a big gasp like i just wrote something really epic and cool. there you go). anyway they end up in the upside down, just the two of them.
mike is the first to break the silence. "i'm sorry."
will swallows. "about what?"
"you know what."
"why-" will clears his throat. "why did you do it?"
mike wants to lie. he wants to say it was a mistake, an accident. he wants to pretend like it never happened at all.
but friends don't lie. and will is a lot more than just his friend.
"because i wanted to," he whispers.
he doesn't look at will. he's scared to see the disgust on his face, the hate in his eyes. he's terrified.
"mike." will's voice is soft. he doesn't sound like he hates him. "mike, look at me."
mike does.
will steps closer to him. he looks nervous, but there's something else in his expression too. hope.
"i wanted to as well," he breathes.
and he kisses him.
november 6th, 1983.
a garage light flickers.
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fizzseed · 1 year
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a list of all the main cast in stranger things that haven’t been in the upside down:
mike wheeler
lucas sinclair
murray bauman
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