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Prompt 271
“Grandmother is visiting,” Damian suddenly said with no warning and with his usual not-quite demanding tone.
“Who?” Tim wasn’t the only one to startle, seeing as Bruce had practically froze, a downturn to his lips in a silent show of confusion.
Damian scowled. “Are you deaf Drake? Grandmother is coming to Gotham to, quote, make sure I am being properly cared for.” None of them had known that Ras was with anyone actually. At least Tim was pretty sure that would have been in the files.
“Oh?” Dick didn’t quite crouch to Damian’s height but it was a near thing. “She-” “He,” Damian corrected, interrupting him. They all exchanged a glance before Dick continued.
“Is he coming to the Manor or…”
Damian scoffed again, a tiny bit of a flush against his face. “No, Grandmother will most likely be staying with Akhi-”
Now wait one moment-
“YOU HAVE ANOTHER BROTHER?!”
#DCxDP#DPxDC#Prompts#Deadly Decisions#Danny & Ras are the homoerotic rivals that no one knows if they’re flirting or attempting a murder#It’s actually both they’re just also both Immortal#Danny to Jason: You can become a crime lord if you finish college- you’ve said you wanted to get a degree this is ur chance#Dusan (nodding): Mother has made all of us finish at least our basic education nephew#Why yes this does mean that RH has just made the heads in a duffel bag debut & the bats have no clue it’s Jason#Normally Danny wanders the universe but RAS (affectionately derogatory) HOW DARE U TRY TO HIDE THE GRANDCHILDREN#Morally Gray Danny#He’s well over 300 and that has an affect lol#Also has some fun fae vibes thx to his ghost half & human half finally balancing out#Let Jason & Damian be brothers#Tiny Damian: Akhi look I found a frog :>#Jason (newly not brain damaged & has no clue who this small child is): …. That’s great#Tiny Damian: *GASP* Akhi you can talk now :D#Fuck it- all the Al Ghuls deserve fangs from ecto contamination#Is Danny actually Dusan & Talia’s mother? No one knows and no one wants to ask the probably immortal fae being okay#Danny brought Damian a ghost hound puppy & Jason an original signed Pride & Prejudice book#How come Bruce wasn’t aware of Danyal? Talia forgot to inform him that the mother she was speaking of is in fact still alive#He disappears for a decade sometimes longer she was using past terms how was he supposed to know
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Do I actually think Imogen is going to turn on the party? No. I don't think it’s any more likely to happen than I did Fjord releasing Uk’otoa, or Caleb returning to Trent and the Vollstruckers.
Given the nature of the game, any character turning fully dark is unlikely, seeing as it would take them away from the party for a time or potentially even turn them into an npc, replaced by a new pc. So far the only time we've gotten close to seeing something like it happen was Yasha siding with Obann, which could only happen specifically because Ashley was gone from the table for a long time (it was also the product of mind control, not an active choice to turn dark, and as such still doesn’t really count as a pc turning on the party in my eyes).
But the possibility is there. The seeds planted. Travis has talked about how, after he threw the falchion away, he briefly considered having Fjord leave the party and retun to the coast and Uk’otoa. Liam has mentioned that, early on, Caleb returning to work for Trent was a very real possibilty. It can happen, if the players and narrative are open to it.
And now, canonically, Imogen is desperately and understandably searching for a reason not to have to fight her own mother. She is, however briefly, questioning whether the Ruby Vanguard might have a just cause. Much as she hates it, she also feels the allure of the power Ruidus gives her. Her closest ally is someone who has repeatedly assured she will stand by her no matter what she chooses, even after she voiced the possibility of letting Predathos get out. None of these parts of Imogen are evil, and all of them are understandable and deeply rooted in pain and ostracization, but they could very easily be turned into justification, were she pushed enough.
The seeds are planted. Again, I don’t think it will happen (she seems firmly against the evil plan when reminded of how evil it is), but there’s certainly nothing strange or hateful about engaging with and being interested in the darker possibilities as presented in canon. It isn't character hate to acknowledge that Imogen has the potential to go dark, much as Fjord and Caleb and Yasha. To me, it’s what makes her character interesting. I want to see her clash with the party, whether because she’s desperate to save her own mother or because she’s high off the power of Ruidus and lured in. I want to see Laudna have to choose between the world and her promise to stand by Imogen no matter what. I want to see the fallout, the slow healing and redemption and coming to terms with bad choices. I eat that shit up, and if it doesn’t happen in canon I'll probably go read some fic about it to get my fix.
#critical role#critical role meta#cr3#imogen temult#it feels like half the tag is 'why is everyone hating on poor innocent imogen :('#and meanwhile the other half is engaging in interesting discussion about character choices and gray morality#like sure there's probably people out there who do hate imogen#but the majority of what I'm seeing isn't that‚ but rather people simply talking about her character in ways that doesn’t coddle her#anyway. i do hope we get at least a mid battle moment of imogen wavering#either because she's actually about to turn or because of some subtle mind control#and someone (preferably laudna) having to knock some sense into her#it would open up for some really interesting possibilities for inter-party conflict and tension#as well as character growth and a shift and maturation in dynamics#really give that codependent imogen laudna relationship a good shake to make it reach maximum potential#what would be most delicious tho: laudna facing off with imogen after she’s gone dark#or laudna fully standing by her word and blocking the party as they try to knock imogen out#pleading with imogen as she stands in harms way to protect her#and that utter trust being what makes imogen return to herself#nella talks cr
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I am tired of people who are unironically woobifying homura and saying all of her actions were completely justified and she has done nothing wrong or made any bad choices in her life ever and cannot possibly be a morally gray character doing nuanced actions
I am also tired of people who unironically see her as the literal devil and act all of her actions were done with malicious intent and that she’s super obsessed with madoka and has never done a single good thing in her life and also cannot grasp that she might be a morally gray character doing nuanced actions
For the love of god the statements “Homura isn’t a horrible person she just wants to protect the people she loves” and “Homura has done some morally dubious actions and that should not be over-looked” aren’t two mutually exclusive statements and I’m tired of some people pretending that they are
#talk away ⌞🍵🍋 ⌝#I feel like I seem angry#I’m not lol#I’m just passionate about this#tbf there was a point in time that I was definitely somewhat anti-homura so I’m not exempt from this#but even then that was more of a response to people who unironically really coddle homura#but yeah nowadays I just really wish people would see Homura for who she actually is#a morally gray character who has done some morally questionable actions#that doesn’t immediately make her a bad person#and I wish people would understand this#a character being morally gray doesn’t instantly make them a bad person#idk these are my thoughts#I think as a whole this just generally a problem morally gray characters#where people see them as either black or white when they’re really shades of gray#homura akemi#akemi homura#madoka magica#pmmm#madoka magica spoilers#kinda
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There's something absolutely ironic and even compelling to me about the domino effect regarding Akechi and Sae's interactions. Akechi had to deceive everyone, including his coworkers. Sae in particular was closely tied to the investigations of the crimes he was committing, so of course appearing as non-threatening or even annoying as possible to her was in his best interests.
However, his petty but arguably feeble masquerade is what led to his cognitive self in Sae's brain presumably being easy for the Phantom Thieves to tie up? He was too good at deception and it led to Sae's perception of him being sopping wet cat, which was easy for the Thieves to subdue, so the threatening, real Akechi wouldn't stumble upon Sae's cognition of him as he went to murder Joker.
I know people usually discuss Shido's cognitive Akechi and the implications regarding Akechi's presentation of himself and his layers of deception, but Sae's is the direct contrast to Shido's, and it's very interesting to look at how being a petty little asshole to your stressed out hot lady coworker about her skincare routine can also contribute to her thinking of you a a nuisance at best (until it was almost too late for everyone involved, but hey, it worked out for the best? I think).
I love the layers of Akechi's deception because he was cunning to a fault. Sometimes I wish we could have seen how the Thieves interacted with Sae's cognition of him, because both Sae and Shido had a very biased perception of him, and it makes me wonder who really knew Akechi at all. I'm rambling here, but it's been on my mind for ages. I would love to see if her cognitive Akechi changed after 11/20, considering he went from annoying junior detective to a dangerous murderer in just one day for her, and she doesn't remember any of third semester or even 12/24 when he was there.
#parker says things#I love Sae I love everything she represents and her impact on the story so much#She's probably my favorite non Thief character other than MAYBE Sojiro and it shows#This was on my mind as I wrote her and Akechi interacting post canon because wow they barely did and we didn't see any of it on 12/24?#hardly any#I wanna know how she'd react to his actual demeanor especially after 11/20's hellscape#she walked out of that room suspecting him due to Joker and then came back to a murder scene even if that was the metaverse#actually so fascinating to think about how she had no choice but to adapt#and her palace was still there? Atlus give me more please#p5 spoilers#goro akechi the man that you are god I love you and your masks and deception and true self#and how those masks deceive even the player. sometimes even long after completing the game#on all sides. god it's so good#I love any characters who make me think I love morally gray characters who are actually morally gray#ahhhhhhhhhhh
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I think some folks MAY have gotten the wrong idea about how I feel about Circe with some of my posts. So, to clear the air...
Homies, I love that fucked up sorceress.
I love how we're never given a reason why she turns people into animals. That's so funny and so awful. And another potion-making magic gal?!?! I love that she's just basically vibing on an island doing whatever she wants. I even love the fact that she scares Odysseus shitless! She's morally gray and that's why she's FUN.
I just sincerely hate when people try to girlboss her or have her be a victim of SA when she never was Looking at you, Miller. Especially when she was actually the one who coerced Odysseus in exchange for his men being transformed back into humans. And even then, while he was clearly afraid of her, (it's in the language of the Odyssey) she likely meant him no harm after a certain point. He just didn't know that.
Why does she need a reason to do awful things? Why can't she just be a goddess who does whatever she wants? That's the reason why I love her!!! She's fucked up!!! :D
I hate what the Telegony did to her as well! >:( You're telling me, this sorceress goddess, who makes potions (!!!) wouldn't have magic contraceptives??? Would WANT CHILDREN?!?! WITH THE PATHETIC WIFEMAN?! No. Fuck no. Eugammon of Cyrene, I have beef with you 🤬
Anyways!!! Understand all the "#anti circe" I have is simply Anti "Girlboss Circe" or the book. I genuinely think she's neat af as her morally gray, fucked up sorceress self and just get frustrated with...everything :'D
#I have these same feelings with Medea and Medusa and so many others. Penelope too. Let them do something fucked up just to be fucked up#I'm a “god forbid women do anything” in the sense of 'she did a fucked up thing. That's why she's fascinating. Don't take her awfulness#away from her!!! please! I wanna study her under a microscope!'😭#PLEASE#...I actually kind of don't like the idea of her actually caring about her nymphs :P maybe she “protects them” but like...#I see her as a “Why are all of you dancing? Oh. it's a birthday? hm okay. Just make sure your duties are done.” while not caring#whose birthday it is. She's not really shown to be close to them during the Odyssey and idk just seems in character for her to not give af#save me morally gray circe#<-making that a tag now because...yeah. She absolutely wouldn't save me though.#Mad rambles#shot by odysseus#anti madeline miller#anti circe#<-THE BOOK! I HATE THE BOOK! LET HER BE AWFUL YOU COWARDS#Why do women need to be SA'ed to be strong Miller?! >:(#...Ima say it. The pathetic wifeman is more relatable to me than Hot Snake Monster Lady when it comes to this stuff.😤#I just sincerely hate the fact that people erase what happened to him you know? It's silly but it means a lot to me.#Also I think she got bored of him immediately and simply let him chill at her place.#She's a goddess. She's got better things to do and she absolutely doesn't love him and he absolutely doesn't want her.#I don't have with Eugammon btw. He's dead and I'm exaggerating but I STILL hate the Telegony >:(#tw sa#kind of??? idk#barely mentioned but yeah#Calypso though?? Yeah. I hate her in practically everything except Pirates of the Caribbean because that's not Odyssey Calypso
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do not even talk to me about any "my fav is doomed by the narrative" shit unless u witnessed the Sylvanas Incident of 2018-2022 because that was my final straw
#infodump in tags#not even the narrative. she was doomed by the narraTORS#Edge of Night is one of the most powerful and beautiful works ever added to the WoW canon.#and then it got retconned for alien lava worms. all because we needed a way to get to the shadowlands.#a truly morally gray character turned into this weird poster figure for some antagonistic force the writers werent sure how to handle yet#i am actively exploring the reality where EoN is still canon and she never became warchief#i miss her bickering with garrosh it was such interesting tension for the horde and also was a very interesting way to characterize her#like how she stuck up for kul tirans and didnt approve of the theramore attack but still did everything she did to gilneas#THAT was some REAL ethically questionable shit that i will actually find interesting.#not whatever the fuck bfa/sl was.#she makes me so sad.#warcraft#sylvanas windrunner
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“Sara is actually super morally gray and—“ uhm to u she is. To me she’s my silly liddle gorl
#she can do no wrong‼️‼️#I’m actually not finished with the game idk why people are saying she’s morally gray skfkkkffk I just know shit happens later on#but I will defend her no matter what#ur honor that is my child#sara chidouin#yttd#your turn to die#sara yttd#kimi ga shine
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controversial opinion:
lucie being a morally gray character was one of the best things to occur in the last hours plot
#i said what I said#lucie just added hella spice to the plot#the issue is that lots of people do not like morally gray characters because they don’t like it when characters have flaws and make mistakes#i think lucie and Grace’s villain era is iconic#honestly it would be boring to read characters that are flawless and make no mistakes but maybe that’s just me#honestly the partnership between grace and lucie was the most interesting thing to me in choi#like give me that DRAMA and that TEA#i wished there actually could have been more lucie in choi cuz I felt like she was sidelined a bit#tlh#grace blackthorn#the last hours#lucie herondale#chain of gold#chain of iron#chain of thorns
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you know.. is olivia octavius even morally gray?? she's like, just evil??? her motive can't be interpreted by some as good or simply misguided? like, i thought she was doing dubious science purely for power reasons
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gonna be real I don't get the takes saying Imogen's comment about Ludinus' view of the gods is out of left field or otherwise out of character for her. Personally I don't know how anyone didn't see this coming for her character from a mile away.
like, imogen temult? whose life was taken from her and twisted into something so miserable that before she met laudna she wasn't sure how to go on? imogen temult? who found that her mother was alive and left her because of the same powers that ruined her life to begin with? imogen temult, whose best friend is someone she was only allowed to meet to begin with because she was brutally tortured and murdered for display and wandered the world for 28 lonely years until she wound up in gelvaan? imogen temult, who watched fcg attribute the coin flip that took her best friend from her to the divine? imogen temult, who just learned that the person who killed her is working with her mother?
what in her entire life would have led her to feel anything but, at best, apathy towards the gods. she's probably been toeing the line of active disdain for divinity for longer than even she realized.
"they made some good points" isn't her agreeing with ludinus or falling for his pyramid scheme or whatever else. she isn't suddenly agreeing with the man who appears to want—to our and the players current understanding—to unleash a second calamity level event. she was specifically speaking to the effectiveness of their pantheon, of which she has been given every single reason to question.
the wildmother isn't leaving her magic imbued swords and backing winds. she doesn't have a coin to flip and leave her decisions up to some elevated being. she has her mother, who left her, and a god-eater trapped on the moon haunting her. given the entirety of her life, is it really so shocking that she is so ready to question the divine? even if it was a question presented from the antagonist?
#critical role#imogen temult#also imogen has ALWAYS been deeply morally gray#so it's doubly as shocking to me that some people are shocked by this to begin with#this also isn't even bringing up the very real likelihood that she is playing devil's advocate for the sake of her mother#who she believes she can 'save'#and. listen. I say this with so much love for orym. I think some of you are more offended at her bringing up /in front of him/#than what the actual text being presented suggests#idk maybe I'm projecting my own experience growing up in the bible belt and my own questions re: faith lol#not to mention x2 that the antagonize presenting a moral quandary to the protagonists is a very well known trope ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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i dont understand Paimon haters. thats my best friend, she’s LITERALLY just a silly little guy. She’s small and sassy and will follow you into terrifying battles with harbingers and literal GODS without a second thought despite the fact that they could swat her like a bug. The voice lines between the traveller and Paimon are delightful, they really are besties and its so fun!!
And maybe all the fan theories are right and she IS evil but you know what sometimes i support evil little creatures!!!!!
#if paimon is actually evil maybe she’s right about it okay!!!!!#quite frankly most of the archons and many of our friends are MORALLY GRAY AT BEST#and Celestia seems like it sucks ass. Fuck the primordial one all my homies hate the primordial one#paimon#genshin impact
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Okay Rom Headcannnon post (I’m thinking about her).
Her full name is Ramona- gets shortened to Rom by her friends.
Botany and Entomology expert!!
Actually just as fucked up and morally bankrupt as her peers (we LOVE that for her).
I can see her being the most outwardly mean to the hunters in this really passive aggressive way (all the scholars are rude to them for classist reasons Rom just vocalises that the most often).
That said I can see her being willing to help and cooperate more so than the other scholars too- especially if it concerns the feilds she’s passionate about.
I can see her getting close with Caryll and Ludwig specifically cus of their Great One connections.
Her relationship with Luddy starts specifically so she can steal his sword and run tests on it but she actually gets to know him and it helps her combat some of that afformentioned classism.
I think her and Micolash had like a thing. Not really romanic or sexual but they were closer than they were to anyone else.
That thing falls appart cus they’re both waaay more focused on their research than living people. Cus they don’t really see the point if they’re gonna ascend.
I think her and Mic were the people who decided to start cracking people’s skulls open at the Hamlet lmao.
I can see her putting herself forward for the “let’s eat Kos’ umbilical chord and see what happens” experiment very enthusiastically but over time she got disilusioned with the idea and regretted it deeply.
That said, Rom’s ascension was SLOW. Painfully slow. Like ‘did anything even happen?’ for the first few months after she ate the thing.
So life goes on as normal, she has some weird dreams but doesn’t really think much of them. Then everything comes to ahead at like senior year ball or smth.
And then it’s like SUDDEN and awful and traumatic and not what anyone (non the less Rom) was expecting it to be and she dies halfway through and her body is cut up and thrown into the lake.
Now Rom is a big spider without her big spider legs and she’s pissed off at her ex-peers for being complicit and that’s why she holds back the Blood Moon Mic wants I think.
Anyway she’s representative of women as test subjects that Laurence specifically goes on to do a lot more of as well as the more body horror aspects of ascension.
I also think she’s got something to do with those little eye spider guys in the Nightmare of Mensis but that might just be cus Mic’s thinking of her lmao.
#anyway kinda morally gray spider lady facts i adore her actually and i need to draw her more often#shes the main villian of my bb dnd campaign which is basically taking#'what if rom retained her conciousness'#to its logical conclusion (she would try to kill all her old classmates)#anyway all the scholars are fucked up and classist and rom isnt an exception she couldve filled so many ppl with bugs if she was allowed to#grow into her own </3#the rat speaks#rom the vacuous spider#bloodborne#i love her..
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never thought i'd see people try to argue or analyse wriothesley's murder in regards to his personality. i think people are missing the point. the situation has nothing to do with him and has everything to do with an extremely traumatic environment that made a small boy think the only solution so save himself and the people he cared about was to take the life of his abusers. it's not supposed to be rational, it wasn't premeditated, it wasn't about getting away with it. if you read his description of the murder you can see how out of it he was. his goal was to protect himself and his siblings and that's what he did. that's why he admitted to the crime so easily and why he is keen to associate the fortress as a rebirth place. he was just young, lost and traumatised and that's about it when it comes to the extension of it all.
#people acting like they're disappointed because he's a 'manipulative' and cunning individual or because he's cold and that it doesn't match#the crime as if at that time he wasn't just a kid experiencing extreme distress and without a safe space to seek help#i also don't personally think he's manipulative at all. he isn't like ayato or yae miko. he has very strong values and he does everything#to abide to that. if that means ommiting information at some point to make the best out of a situation he will do so but he doesn't do#things for personal gain and as soon as he can be truthful he lays all the cards on the table#this reminds me of that ayaka situation where people tried to paint her as manipulative when all she did was ask the traveller to hear#people's stories so traveller could take their own conclusions about the situation in inazuma shsjsh#it's also the way wrio isn't even cold. he's serious and composed but goddamn if he didn't show how empathetic he is#also how lightweight his personality is during the archon quest...#at this point i'm just questioning myself if we're even playing the same game#wrio 'i believe in restorative justice rather than punishment' the slay#wrio 'there's a prophecy about a flood dooming the entire country so i'm taking matters into my own hands and building noah's ark to save#my people' the slay#wrio 'i have no reason to trust you but i will still offer you a cup of tea' the slay and people still try to pain him in an obscure light#he's not even that morally grey 😭 he's morally gray in the sense everyone is#wanting to stop people who hurt others isn't controversial or shouldn't be#also because we KNOW that's his last resource#his job is literally to give people a second chance the same way he took his except he actually wants to make life easier for others#than it was for him and people are so vocal about how grateful they are of him like???#he's such a good guy genuinely#and just because he's intelligent and usually composed doesn't mean he isn't emotional sensitive or even prone to being put in situations#where's he's forced to react a certain way because that's just human nature#he's literally just a silly guy with trauma and big responsabilities set him free from the shackles of mischaracterization please 😂#not that i'm better i'm a fool i may just be talking shit really#but seeing people act like the murder is somehow badly written or that he is dark and dangerous make me go ???#having the ability to do something doesn't define you as a person and i feel like judgement without context makes no sense#but maybe that's just me
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it s -its like
"He is not to them what he is to me,” I thought: “he is not of their kind. I believe he is of mine;—I am sure he is"
like...like you know *waves hands aimlessly* ya know?
#red crackle#carmen x gray#graham x carmen#text#on my to do list#for gifsets#sfkjnadsfkj its on my to read so like its very contextless but saw it floating around and memory wipes and player and i looking at carmen#lik#o-k#and gray looking at her like that too like ilu but what are you talking about#and then going oh absolutely your morally antithetical but youre very weirdly like her still and she remembered#and was sooo stubborn bout it#she knows when to let go but she very much doesn't want to#cause he's actually as reckless as her and actually cares more than he's letting on#and frustratingly paralleled her reasons of wellbeing>>>#...ugh i love them a lot
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is there an oz adaptation that is like faithful to book glinda, like not going towards the bubbly pink of the 1939 one?
#she looks completely different in the anime but. not actually how shes described in the books#hello movie makers let me make an oz movie. let me do a glinda i promise itll be agood one#god id love to make an oz movie. ive been thinking of the land of oz and given the chance id adapt it#practical effects galore yknow what was i talking about. glinda. also make her morally gray.#trust me adaptors im a lesbian i know what im doing#i speak#wizard of oz
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teehees my way into your inbox. im bad at gauging unpopular stuff but i think evil spottedleaf aus are fun, especially if they're surrounding her discontent with dying so young and her wanting to stay within relevance by inserting herself into prophecy after prophecy.
strongly agree | agree | neutral | disagree | strongly disagree
I think it depends on the specific AU, but I think there’s good potential there! Canon Spotty was done dirty and I think there’s a lot you can do with her in a villain role.
The ones that don’t vibe with me are anything surrounding Firestar or Thistleclaw for obvious reasons but thankfully I don’t see a tonnnnn of that
That being said, I get why it’s not everyone’s cup of tea considering the discourse around her character.
#btw i Do Not like this specific person and am not defending them as a person#but when people got mad at dr********r for their original au for ‘’demonizing a csa victim’’ i just thought that was uncalled for#first of all bc their au predated sph so they didnt actually go in with that intention but also bc iirc theyre also a victim#and their au was centered around her discontent so yknow i feel like that was unfair to them. theyre still awful but yeah#i thiiiink i may make her morally gray in my au but im not sure how to go about it#like have her be a spokesperson of starclan. she thinks they can do no wrong and their prophecies are instruction and she gets angry#when its not followed. like she gets a god complex ans believes she died early so that she could be in this role#im not sure though. also in this context there is ZERO canon romance for obvious reasons#mail#deer-time
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