Someone in r/exchristian made the observation that viral, anti-Halloween sign doesn't seem to make sense given that Christmas is "handouts" on a much bigger scale
but that actually points to a key element of understanding "generosity" within American slaver Christianity
The sign:
[Handwritten note behind a mesh window. Some of the words are underlined and/or all caps for emphasis. "
*Attention Satanic Socialists*!!! This is the home of a *Patriotic Christian Family*!
We *work hard* and *pay taxes*!
We *do not* celebrate *Satan's Day*
We *do not give away free candy to lazy entitled freeloaders!
*No Handouts*! Welcome to *America*!!
If you want candy, **Get A Job**!! and *Find Jesus*!!!!]
The reason why giving out the pittance of Halloween candy is more offensive to these people than buying extravagant Christmas gifts is that, traditionally, you can't control who shows up at your door.
If trick-or-treaters knock, you are obliged to provide candy.
A white evangelical can be generous, of course. A Christian business owner might give out a bonus on Christmas, for example. An extravagant bonus, even.
But they’d rather shut down than let a union take hold, let alone a co-op.
So long as those Christians retain the power in the gifts they extend, they can always recall their gifts.
They may be willing to be extremely charitable in lots of things—but never power.
Because if told to obliterate earthly hierarchies—exactly as their most radical, inerrant scriptures call for explicitly—you’ll see slaver Christians become vicious and cruel beyond imagination preserving their wealth, racial privilege, patriarchy, etc.
Slaver Christians don’t hate socialism because it makes anything worse or anyone worse off.
No, they hate socialism because they and those they deem deserving of power would lose some ability to control others they regard as undeserving.
The end of these Christians' ability to control, coerce, and dominate others is terrifying and repugnant to them b/c they can only ever imagine being a slaver or enslaved; if they don't have the whip, they assume they're the slave
They can't imagine everyone equal and free.
Moreover, we’re still being sued by The Satanic Temple in federal court. TST is now *also* suing Newsweek for writing about us and that case. Check the pinned post for more.
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// long ramble TLDR just me discussing how I found my politics at the beginning
When I was a baby leftist the final push for me into anarchism wasn't when I learned what anarchy actually was, it was 1 event leading to a culmination of recognizing one of the biggest problems in social and economic systems was people having power over each other.
When I first got into leftism there was nothing on Anarchism when I tried to lookup "beginner leftist books". It was The Communist Manifesto, State and Revolution, The ABCs of Socialism, etc. Nothing about Anarchism though.
I tried to connect to Communism through reading and content creators but it couldn't stick for me. Not to say I'm not a communist now but my communism is different, and more inherent to my Anarchism. A lot of communist creators I watched talk were very intelligent on the system and helped me realize some positives, but they never could talk about the negatives of past communist ideologies.
When people addressed genuinely negative things that communist regimes did, like their treatment of disabled people or the genocide campaigns, they responded with facts about literacy rates going up. Obviously something like literacy rates going up IS a positive that should be addressed, but they could never just say "Yeah that was fucked up, we don't condone that bullshit, here's how we are going to stop that from happening". (Hell a ton of communists idolize and have pfps of some of the dudes that did horrible shit).
Even if I disagree I'll respect a communist who will say "These regimes did xyz fucked up shit, We can do better and learn from this fucked up shit tho", and I have met some that do that, but I couldn't click into the communism being fed to me because it once again felt like blind worship and just redoing the past rather than striving for something that would fit our modern society.
Ironically the first time I thought "Power corrupts people always" was when I found out TST founders were gross and Fascistic. I was getting into Satanism and was excited by the idea of TST fighting for religious freedoms within the system (lib moment), and how they were gay friendly and had posts about respecting lgbt ppl unlike COS who just said summarized "who cares what you feel about them as long as no one tells you you can't do that :)".
But when I found out about Queer Satanic and actually dove into the history of TST it was kinda this Camel Straw moment. I was angry I had supported a shitty organization and I was angry that something that could be good was controlled by shitty people who could just do fuck all bc they had power. It made me realize that as long as there was a person in power over others that there would be problems. It made me think of my childhood and how when parents have complete authority over their children it causes harm more often than not just by the nature of Exploitation that comes with holding power.
I didn't know what Anarchism was yet or that it was a real leftist ideology, I just thought it meant Chaos and Warmonger, but I took the steps into it without knowing just from the realization I had.
When I did find out about Anarchism it clicked for me. A style of communism and workers unions that won't hold power over individuals. And then I just began to learn more and it makes sense for me. It doesn't matter how many times other people told me it was unrealistic, my brain can conceive Anarchism better than systems that call for few people to hold power over entire populations.
Too be fair, I've always had anarchistic tendencies growing up, but once I found it the pieces just fell into place.
* This isn't for debating if you come into my comments with some USSR bullshit I'll just tell you to walk somewhere dangerous and block you *
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Come, Satan, come, the one slandered by priests and kings, so that I may embrace you, so that I may hold you to my chest! Long have I known you, and you know me too. Your works, oh beloved of my heart, are not always beautiful nor good; but only they bestow meaning upon the universe and prevent it from being absurd... Hope yet, outcast! I have at your service but a pen: but it equals millions of ballots.
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, De la justice dans la révolution et dans l’église (“Concerning Justice in the Revolution and in the Church”), trans. Per Faxneld
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as we've seen today with the Coronation and the protests surrounding it, and the complete lack of support from even the Labour Party, who themselves simply cheerlead for the British Empire, that there is absolutely no one in Britain fighting for the poor, except for the poor themselves.
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Good morning, Bitches!
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the satan: oh foolish mortal...i greet you, to reveal your desires unto you!
me: ok hey what's up
the satan: i have decided to test you, to-day, to discern your commitment to The Good
me: sounds great! so, do i have to reject a kingdom of glory and riches or refuse to jump off a building and make God save me or—
the satan: oh no none of that. this'll be much simpler. i am going to present you with a series of ethical situations! ahahaha!
me: oh sweet i think about these all the time
the satan: perfect...it is time for The First Situation! now, picture a city that is so perfect, everyone is happy and no one is ever sad and there's cakes and festivals and orgies and—
me: is this Omelas
the satan:
me: like this is just gonna be the Le Guin story with the kid in the basement right
the satan: ...yeah. ok so there's the kid and the basement and there's the torture, ok yeah you know this one. right. so anyway...you have just learned about the kid being tortured in the basement. what is your judgement here?
me: well uh, i guess i walk away
the satan: aha but i didn't ask you what you'd do, did i?
me: oh come on you tricky little fuck. ok. yeah this situation sucks
the satan: and why, pray tell, do you say that is, despite all the happiness and nonsadness and cakes and festivals and orgies and whatnot?
me: i suppose it's just that none of that shit justifies torturing a kid in a basement forever. also all that shit sounds kinda gay when you put it like that. like some weird Dutch fag shit
the satan: ah. well, moving on, you whimsy-hating homophobe—
me: what, just because i say that sounds like Dutch fag shit makes me homophobic? i'm gay you know i can call shit fag shit if i want
the satan: —moving on, you would agree with the statement that whatever the consequence, it is inherently wrong to torture a child, hmm?
me: well yeah that sounds about right
the satan: aha...!
me: wait why'd you make that noise
the satan: wh-what
me: that clicking noise. that was you right
the satan: oh no no noise of things clicking into place emanated from my nostrils
me: you worded that pretty weirdly, you know
the satan: it's time for The Second Situation! you have cro—
me: damn you just straight up evaded what i was saying
the satan: —you have crossed The First Situation, i was saying, so now it is time for round two. ahem. now, firstly, would you agree that, in general, lying and stealing and cheating are bad?
me: well, yeah. i don't like lying, and in general it seems pretty fucked up to cheat and steal
the satan: so now you have come across a man in the street who is starving and wounded. after one hour he will die if he is not fed and treated for his wound. there is a store nearby but you are flat broke and have no pocket money, and begging isn't an option. even if you ask your friends to PayPal you they will not be able to get back to you for another two hours. the ER is too far away and there's too much traffic for an ambulance to arrive and take him there in less than an hour and a half, but there is a clinic nearby able to take anyone immediately. however the clinic only accepts people with insurance, and neither of you have an insurance card. you are, however, fairly confident that you can make up fake details that they would be willing to accept.
me: what are you trying to write a Jacobin article or something. i'm already a socialist, you don't need to lay out how fucked up our healthcare system or whatnot is, i already know—
the satan: okok sure this would never happen under socialism blahblahblah the point is what would you do in this situation
me: but in the last one the point was my judgement not what i do. this is getting confusing
the satan: DIFFERENT SITUATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES OK?? GOD JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW
God: OH HEY SATAN DID YOU JUST CALL UPON ME
the satan: HOLD ON I'M STILL TESTING THIS GUY GIVE ME A SECOND
God: OH OK THAT'S YOUR JOB AFTER ALL. I SHALL LEAVE YOU TO IT. JUST DON'T BE TOO MEAN
the satan: FUCK. ok. ok. anyway here's the question. assuming you're also relatively confident you can shoplift without getting caught, do you steal a couple things from the store for the man to eat and do you present fake information to the clinic to get them to accept the guy and treat his wound
me: yeah totally. i don't want him to die or anything. i'd gladly do just about anything to save someone's life
the satan: so in other words, doing bad things like lying, stealing, and cheating in order to accomplish a good thing such as saving a life is good, right?
me: sure, i'd say so
the satan: AAAAAHH-HAA! i have TRAPPED you! for your response to the first situation implies that good inheres in the act itself, regardless of consequences, and your response to the second implies that good inheres in the consequences of an act, regardless of the means!
me: i mean...not necessarily? like—
the satan: wh-what do you mean, mortal
me: well, perhaps i think the negative consequences of torture for the child far outweigh the positive consequences for everyone else
the satan: what the fuck is that you're doing
me: oh i mean you're doing red text, i figure i do blue text, i figure this is like an Umineko thing or whatever
the satan: fine. sure. you can do that. whatever. none of this matters to me. why did i pick this fucking job in the first place
me:
the satan: ...ok, the townspeople get far more happiness than the kid gets suffering
me: but what if suffering itself is worth more in moral accounting than happiness, for instance
the satan: then how about this? in the second example, you could have caused the shop to shut down due to lost trust with the distributor! you could have caused the clinic to lose their licence over insurance fraud! those could have easily caused far more suffering than if the man simply passed out and died after an hour!
me: that's...that sounds far-fetched, but you said it in red, so. ok what if good actually inheres in the character of the person doing the act, so a virtuous person would refuse to sanction torturing a child for the greater good and gladly steal and cheat to save a man's life
the satan: virtue ethics is unable to provide actionable guidance!
me: oh?
the satan: all you can do is imagine what a virtuous person would do, and different people have wildly different imaginations!
me: well hmm. that's fair. i'm not sure i could personally live with that, especially in an age where we're getting ever closer to potentially misaligned AI. what if there's rules that say you must never do some things but then other rules can be broken if there's something more important
the satan: if those rules exist, then list them off and justify them to me >: )
me: uh, don't torture, don't rape...don't kill is up there, but what if you're killing someone to defend someone else...wait fuck no, what about bombing civilians to end a war, that doesn't sound justifiable at all...god damn it...
God: OH HELLO YES I'M BACK
the satan: NO FUCK NO WAIT NO
God: HELLO DEAR SWEET MORTAL CHILD. IS MY EMPLOYEE BEING TOO HARD ON YOU? OH DEAR I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER IF THIS IS GOING TOO POORLY
the satan: oh come on please just let me do my job like normal
God: MY DEAR LITTLE CREATURE I HOPE YOU KNOW YOU CAN SIMPLY RELY ON MY EDICT AND ALL THESE DILEMMAS BECOME AS DUST IN THE BROOM OF AN OLD FAT LADY
me: why thank you, my Lord, but no matter how perfect You are, it remains that divine command theory is a fundamentally subjectivist theory that cannot provide a truly objective and impersonal basis for ethics, and subjective morality is not a risk i'm really willing to take
God: BUT AREN'T I PERFECT FOR YOU AND ALL THINGS MY PRECIOUS LITTLE CREATION
me: why, yes, but there's a small but persistent chance You're a figment of my imagination, just like the satan over here, and—
the satan: hhHHEYYY NOW
me: —and i know that You love righteousness, so really i'd rather continue pleasing You even if You weren't around to tell me what righteousness is
God: WHY THAT IS VERY SWEET OF YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M JUST GOING TO STRAIGHT UP LIFT YOU TO HEAVEN LIKE THAT MERRY OLD FELLOW FAUST
me: wait huh
the satan: w-wait Lord don't you think you're being a bit hasty in judgement
a chorus of angels: [grabbing me and lifting me into the aether] ✧・゚: *✧・゚:*HE WHO STRIVES ON AND LIVES TO STRIVE CAN EARN REDEMPTION STILL*:・゚✧*:・゚✧
me: [rapidly disappearing into the sky, utterly bewildered] wait. hold on. hold up. wait,
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What's This Joy of Satan Website?
You may have gotten someone asking your opinion of "joyofsatan.org," but what are they?
I have belaboured this post for weeks and I'm tired of giving them my energy. I'm going to hit the main points.
A content warning for antisemitism, racism and bigotry in general, Nazism, mentions of genocide, and conspiracist nonsense.
Archive of post.
JoS promotes itself to kids and teens, with a page called "Kids and Teens for Satanism" on their main site. Keep this in mind as you read.
JoS's leader, Maxine Dietrich, is married to a former chairman of the National Socialist Movement. That chairmain's affiliation with JoS had him ousted from the group.
JoS high priests routinely profess their support for Nazism, Hitler, and other Nazi members and policies.
JoS promotes several historical inaccuracies regarding the Nazis, including that Hitler had a humanitarian reason to not use chemical weapons in battle (despite Nazis themselves citing logistical reasons) as well as that queer people were not persecuted in Nazi Germany.
There are multiple posts calling high-ranking Nazis fond terms. Hitler is particularly praised as a "man of peace." There are multiple posts celebrating high-ranking Nazis' birthdays.
JoS hosts white nationalist material, including that of the Creativity movement and material from American Nazi groups.
JoS promotes the claim of "white genocide," all while denying the Holocaust.
JoS has put blame on Jewish people for everything from communism, 9/11, feminism, Black Lives Matter, the queer movement, and the media. Slurs against Jewish people are common in their writings, as are dogwhistles. Most, if not all of their writings contain antisemitism, and it is not hidden.
JoS has stated multiple times that National Socialism, the ideology of the Nazis, is not racist. They also claim they themselves are not racist, but their definition is heavily biased. They do state that, considering the enemy's (Jewish people) definition of racist, they are proud to be called that.
JoS has stated that you do not need to be a Nazi to be a Satanist, but that being a Satanist will lead you to Nazi ideals.
JoS is heavily anti-Muslim. Not just anti-Islam, but they go out of their way to portray Muslims as monsters preying on the goodwill of (white) countries.
JoS engages in Jesus mythicism, a position New Testament scholars dismiss as ahistorical. They're pretty anti-Christian in general.
JoS loves to appropriate from Hindu, Buddhist, and Yazidi religion. They claim the Yazidis are Satanists, something that is contributing to their ongoing genocide.
JoS is heavily into alien conspiracism, where they routinely compare Jewish people to Grey and Reptilian aliens. The latter of which is a common comparison in conspiracist spaces.
JoS claims the pre-Christian gods were aliens.
JoS claims COVID-19 is an engineered bioweapon.
JoS promotes the microchipping conspiracy.
I have spent more time researching them than I'd like to admit, and I have seen some truly horrific shit on their site and on sites connected to it. This is skimming the surface.
These people should not be allowed into any pagan or witchcraft community. They are already trying to worm their way into this site's communities, and we should not allow them to succeed.
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(genuine question) why do people identify as satanists if they don't believe nor worship satan? and do you mind being confused with "actual" satanists who do worship the devil?
In the mid-19th century, it was not really with reference to the devil when when anarchists and socialists like Felix Pignal said:
Give me any epithets you wish; I accept them all in advance. I have only one thought, and envision only one glory: it is to strike everywhere and always, as much as I can, at the principle of domination. Satan, in his revolt, is my father, and, in his courage, Cain is my brother!
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… A tooth for a tooth! The law of the jungle. Such is the combat that we must still make against the divinity… First, why do we tremble at this audacity? Isn’t humanity, under the weight of its sorrows, at bay, at the last extremities? So it no longer has anything to lose… Courage in the attack! Courage! Our servility offers us a glorious pretext which would, by itself, justify our rebellion. And since we honor a people when they know how to overthrow a tyrant, what would be the grandeur of our triumph, if we succeeded in destroying the principle of tyranny!
You might also save and print this out:
Theistic Satanists (also Demonolaters and some Luciferians) are the minority of Satanists, and the people who believe in the literal, supernatural devil or a material sort of Satan are always going to be Christians.
Those Christians project a lot, and to some degree you just have to accept that it can't be helped.
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We know that you are what you were from the beginning.
You did not want to sign the contracts,
You did not want to be a lackey of authority,
You did not want to fall into the pace of the throng of thralls,
You did not want to deafen blood and nerve.
So you set off, away to your fair task
To bring light to thralls and ruin to tormentors.
And thus shine bright your proud torch.
From a poem signed by "Spartacus" in the 1891 issue of the Swedish journal "Lucifer", trans. Per Faxneld
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hey y'all! i made a server for radical socialists, mostly anarchists and Marxists
we're starting a bookclub soon and plan to use the server to discuss worker history, theory, and progressive politics in general
everyone is welcome, as long as you're not bigoted, and no Zionists
have fun! 😁💝
https://discord.com/invite/UzzGNQ2mEY
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I finally found one of the “Is the metal band Nazis?” sites again.
Apparently Nazi bands have their own fun little acronym now? National Socialist Black Metal--NSBM--as opposed to Red and Anarchist Black Metal, or RABM.
The reason it can be a bit difficult to figure out sometimes, aside from a lot of the music being in languages you don’t necessarily speak and also growled/yelled/Gregorian chanted over half an orchestra and three drummers, is that it’s like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. The fun new project you’ve found and really like can have completely innocuous music and aesthetics, but then you look it up and find out that 5/6s of the members’ main gigs are with Nazi bands. Which, you know, if the goal is “Do not give Nazis money”...
But the documentation section of the lists is fucking wild. You’re going through it and it’s like:
“They had a Nazi guest artist one time but kicked them out once everyone was like ‘Hey, they’re a Nazi!’ and haven’t hired any known Nazis since then.”
“They claim to be apolitical and have made no political statements in their entire twenty-year history. The band members have only ever been associated with this one project, which exclusively sings about a Cthulhuesque space slug they made up.”
“This band has only ever worked with this specific anti-fascist label, but their drummer is an admitted cannibal.”
“They say they’re not political but they keep collaborating with Nazis.”
“Their frontman stabbed a guy in a bar for looking at him funny, but not in a Nazi kind of way.”
“Well, uh, here’s their last album cover...” and it’s just “This image is blocked due to legal restrictions in your country! :)”
“Pinned top post on all their social media is ‘Nazi punks fuck off.’”
“Frontman is a convicted pedophile with no known opinions about white supremacy.”
“They’ve never said anything one way or another, but they’re signed with Nazi Record Label for Nazis.”
“Lead guitarist burned down a church one time but has consistently maintained that it was due to Satanism, not Nazism, and insists that Satan doesn’t discriminate on the basis of gender, sexuality, color, or ethnicity.”
“Last side project was doing main vocals for that guitarist who stormed the Capitol on January 6th.”
“Varg Vikernes.”
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Today's church isn't preaching the full Word of God. They openly admit, "they do not want to offend people". Now what does that sound like? That sounds like every consumer franchise that we have watched over and over bow down to Jesuit socialist agendas (oh yes, they started many of these, they termed the phrase "social justice"). The companies that proclaim inclusiveness and equality, and celebrate the "pride" agenda of the month.
Jesus said go teach all I have taught you; and the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. A church ran, or owned by Satan...I mean...the gov or the vatican doesn't want that preached.
But Jusgement will begin at the house of God. You don't want to be in there when it happens. Come out of her.
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There is a book called The Keep by F. Paul Wilson. Was that your starting point?
No. The starting point really preceded the book. I'd just done a street movie, Thief. A very stylized street movie but nevertheless stylized realism. You can make it wet, you can make it dry, but you're still on "street." And I had a need, a big desire, to do something almost similar to Gabriel Garcia Marquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude, where I could deal with something that was non-realistic and create the reality. There is an effect in the film whereby Molasar accrues to himself particles of matter from living organisms. Now what is the logic of that? What does it look like? How does it happen? What's the sound of it? I mean, that's a real turn-on, to fantasize what these things are going to be like. So you're way out there. And you have to be consistent. You're not rendering objective reality, you're making up reality.
But in this fairy tale we find the Nazi Wehrmacht – men dressed in totemic black uniforms with swastikas – things we can recognize and which set up a response.
Actually only about one-fifth of the film is involved with the Wehrmacht and the character of the Captain played by Jurgen Prochnow. The film revolves around a character called Glaeken Trismegistus, who wakes up after a deep sleep in a transient, merchant-marine setting some place in Greece in 1941. The movie revolves around him and his conflict, which seems to be fated, with a character called Roderick Molasar. The end of the conflict seems to fate him toward destruction. He may destroy Molasar or Molasar may destroy him, but in either case Glaeken Trismegistus must go to the keep.
And in the course of coming to the keep to confront Molasar, he has a romance with Eva, whose father is a Mediaeval historian named Dr. Cuza, very quick, very smart. At a moment in history when he is powerless – a Socialist Jew in Fascist Romania – Cuza is offered the potential to ally himself with immense power. For him it's a deliverance. And as a bonus he also gets rejuvenated. So he's seduced into attaching himself to this power in the keep.
And Molasar comes to life by taking the power, the souls, of the Wehrmacht Nazis.
What happens is that after the second time you've seen him, Molasar changes. And he seems to change after people are killed. After he kills things. It's almost as if he accrues to himself their matter. Not their souls; he doesn't suck their blood. It's a thing unexplained, his transformation is seen visually. He evolves through three different stages in the movie. He gets more and more complete. He starts as a cloud of imploding particles, then he evolves a nervous system, then he evolves a skeleton and musculature, and at the third state he's complete. And then it's a bit ironic when he's complete, because there's a great resemblance to Glaeken Trismegistus.
Is he evil personified?
No. Well, yes he is. Yes, Evil Personified. But what is evil?
Try Satan? Or Lucifer?
Yes, but think about that. Satan in Paradise Lost is the most exciting character in the book. He's rebellious, he's independent, he doesn't like authority. If you think about it, Satan could almost be played by John Wayne. I mean the Reaganire, independent, individualist spirit. It's all bullshit, but that's the cultural myth that the appeal taps into.
Is Glaeken Trismegistus the alter ego of Molasar? Is he the good side?
No, he's not. I tried to find a more surreal logic to the characters; so that there's nothing Satanic about Molasar. He's just sheer power, and the appeal of power, and the worship of power, a belief in power, a seduction of power. And Molasar is very, very deceptive. When we first meet him, we too believe that he is absolute salvation. And it's all a con. Now when Glaeken shows up, the first thing he does is seduce Eva Cuza. So my intent in designing those characters was to make then not black-and-white. I put in things that are not normally considered to be good into Glaeken and qualities that are not evil into Molasar.
Why did you choose these names? You wrote the script.
The script was taken from a book, which we've talked about; but I did give Glaeken his last name, which he didn't have in the book. And I couldn't find a better name than Trismegistus.
There's something about Trismegistus that rings a bell.
It's the Greek for "harvest."
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