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#remembering that conversation that jade and dave had
pagesofkenna · 2 years
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i think people generally are sleeping on the fact that the first thing we know about Jade and Dave's relationship is that they make music together
like, all the kids play instruments besides Dave, who does digital music making and makes remixes of recordings his friends make - but so does Jade. in canon she's the one who wrote Potential Verdancy and Ohgodwhat, and Explore which she sends to Dave and then he sends back Explore Remix, but Explore is probably a response to Dave's track Rediscover Fusion, and Crystalanthemums was originally something Dave wrote that Jade remixed - and that's only what we see from one page of Jade's music player, it's likely these weren't the first tracks these two kids experimented with, just the ones Jade saved on her favorites playlist
what I'm trying to say is that Jade and Dave making music together is 'photographer Dave' levels of 'initial character trait that got lost in the plot shuffle' and I wish we brought it back more
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weirdmageddon · 7 months
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yesterday i wrote a scene where jade wasnt a plot device and was left the hell alone in A6A5 because this being dave and jade’s last proper conversation in years made me sad and i wanted to see them reunite properly. i mixed a bit of narration in too even though it was rare around this point in the comic but its just to paint a better picture. also i wouldnt mind feedback on character voice (it’s important to me that the dialogue sounds believable)
[3 years are over, everyone is in the new session. The prospit ship is on LOMAX, as is everyone who arrived on the meteor, safely warped by Jade onto LOMAX as well. Jade has banished B2 Jack to the Furthest Ring already. She hasn't seen her friends in 3 years, not to mention she never met the trolls in person yet.]
[Jade teleports to LOMAX where John was talking with the meteor crew. Her eyes widen when she sees the trolls, giving everyone a greeting. Jade waves to the trolls.]
You’ll have time to catch up with them later. First you want to reconvene with Rose and Dave.
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Dave... Oh my god! DAVE!!! That’s right! The last time you saw him, he died in your arms after Jack redirected the bullets from your gun into his body!
JADE: dave!!!! DAVE: hey DAVE: this has been three years coming hasnt it DAVE: cmere
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[Dave hugs Jade with a slight grin on face. He notices her… sniffing him?? but doesn’t even bother to question it.]
JADE: it is so nice to hold your body when its not a corpse :) DAVE: ok DAVE: weird thing to say DAVE: actually who am i kidding who gives a shit DAVE: i almost forgot how much i missed the enigmatic riddlefuckery that is your phrasing DAVE: fortunately i have context for this so i know what youre saying DAVE: humor me for a sec and imagine that i didnt DAVE: but first DAVE: are those dog ears JADE: yes! i am part dog now JADE: because i prototyped my dreamself with becsprite JADE: jadesprite became part of me! and so did her doggy traits from bec DAVE: got it DAVE: oh yeah john mentioned that on the back of his dumb poster inside that bucket that appeared out of thin air DAVE: right before we had to haul ass out of there before jack caught up to us DAVE: karkat had a complete fucking meltdown over that btw i wish you couldve seen it DAVE: damn it feels like so long ago now JADE: heheheh i remember JADE: john realized it at the last second but it was too late! DAVE: of course it was johns idea only he could do something that gooberish DAVE: you know what this means though JADE: yup!! woof woof DAVE: it means youve done it harley DAVE: youve finally done it god damn it DAVE: the evolution of humankind is finally upon us DAVE: the scientists said it would never happen in our lifetime DAVE: but look what we have here DAVE: before me stands mans first legitimate furry subspecies DAVE: homo canis DAVE: as the name implies theyre gay as fuck btw DAVE: its too bad all those scientists are dead and cant witness this phylogenetic breakthrough DAVE: rip to the science community yall wouldve lost your collective shit DAVE: hey jade lets pour one out for the science community for being real ones
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You are still nestled into Dave’s shoulder. He’s taken a sort of protective position over you. Your perceptive barkbeast ears can hear his formerly bullet-riddled heart beating a mile a minute with the regularity of quartz beneath his time-branded pajamas, all the while he continues to ramble to you about certifiably dumb shit. You can tell Dave is psyched to see you again, even if he expresses it in his OWN bizarre way, which means extended metaphors and topical tangents. What a hypocrite, calling YOUR phrasing perplexing! You sure missed this guy.
You realize you started tuning him out while thinking about all this.
DAVE: jade JADE: umm homo is the species name JADE: so wouldnt that mean were all gay? :p DAVE: yeah that sounds about right DAVE: anyway enough of this bullshit
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[Dave motions to retract his arms since he doesn’t want it to get too weird, but Jade squeezes tighter. Dave immediately yields to the movement]
DAVE: jesus wow ok DAVE: really happy to see you too DAVE: like if you had a tail it would be wagging so forcefully youd be knocking over all the fucking furnishings in the room DAVE: just slapping it so hard on the owners thigh that it feels like theyre being flogged DAVE: talk about getting bitch slapped JADE: :D DAVE: so howve you been JADE: really really excited to see you guys all again!!! JADE: and to meet the trolls! DAVE: yeah theyre pretty weird DAVE: and im still not used to it DAVE: but it gets more manageable the longer youre around them DAVE: by the way JADE: ?
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DAVE: sorry you had to go through that JADE: through what? DAVE: seeing me die and stuff again DAVE: except that time right in front of you JADE: .... DAVE: when we were gathering up all those frogs i knew jack was going to appear DAVE: i was waiting and waiting to play it out DAVE: mentally rehearsing my fucking torso getting turned into swiss cheese and knowing you would have to watch on top of it DAVE: i had to make sure it happened to protect the integrity of the alpha timeline DAVE: but if you knew this was going to happen you wouldve tried to prevent it and created a doomed one DAVE: and so i didnt say anything DAVE: i couldnt DAVE: so DAVE: sorry for putting you through that JADE: oh..... JADE: dave D: JADE: well im here JADE: if you ever want to talk about it DAVE: its cool DAVE: you just deserve to know what happened there DAVE: but thanks DAVE: so am i JADE: yeah i know JADE: i guess i should be glad you did that then... JADE: even though i was freaking out when it happened ._. JADE: otherwise you wouldnt be here will us now dressed in your red god tier time pajamas DAVE: yeah these magical rags really are comfortable arent they DAVE: and they stay like perma clean JADE: they are! i would wear mine over and over for days on end JADE: id take a nice shower and put it right back on JADE: and you know how much i love cycling my outfits through my wardrobifier JADE: by the way dave your cape is sooo cool! :o DAVE: thanks DAVE: yeah i love it its hella soft DAVE: its like ive got a portable snuggle blanket with me in case i ever need to drop to the floor like a tired sack of shit and get my snooze on DAVE: ive got a permanent personal reservation at club bed featuring dj pillow and mc blanky JADE: heheheh JADE: can i touch your cape? DAVE: of course go nuts JADE: yaaaay!!
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thewertsearch · 9 months
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CC: Soon I will go to sleep and speak to t)(e gods. CC: I will convince t)(em to establis)( a series of stable dream bubbles, w)(ere we can meet in our sleep!
Nepeta was worried about Feferi's long nap, but it turns out she was doing important work. She wasn't lazing around - she was busy, negotiating access to the Furthest Ring for intersession communication.
I wonder what would have happened if there weren't any dream bubbles to inhabit? Would you just constantly be hurtling through the Squiddle Monster Portal every time you slept?
GG: feferi i thought you said you were going to stop using your typing quirk! CC: Did I? CC: When?? GG: i dont know… im sure i remember you said that CC: )(mm. CC: Jade, t)(is is t)(e first time we )(ave ever talked!
Oh?
Jade can't have learned about this from a Prospit cloud - if she did, she wouldn't be so confused about how she knows it. Something else is going on here.
GG: actually GG: i do remember this conversation GG: it was in the past! [...] GG: i dont think i am asleep…. GG: i am not on prospit CC: Yes, you are asleep. But your dream self died, just like mine, remember?
So this is a dream bubble, then? A lucid dream, which takes the form of a location from your past?
If so, that's pretty cool, and also a little bittersweet. The Players can visit their homes again - but only as illusory projections.
GG: so this is a dream? CC: It is a dream, and a memory. It is the past, brought back to life by a witch! It's all those things.
It's clear that Feferi's Witch of Life powers are in play here, too.
Perhaps Witches have something to do with dreams, then. Both Feferi and Jade have unique connections to their dream moons, and seem to have more affinity for their mechanics than the average dreamer.
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CC: Wish I could make something like this. Never had the gills for technology.
But Jade does - which cements my assertion that her technological intuition is Space, and has nothing to do with her status as a Witch.
GG: why are you here! GG: are you asleep too? CC: Nope! CC: I woke up from my nap a while ago.
Feferi can project herself into Dream Bubbles while she's awake, similar to how Dave was operating both his Selves at once. It's a nifty trick, and a good way to keep the lines of communication open.
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GG: then why are you here now? CC: Because, stupid. CC: I'M D------EAD!
...or, Jack has finally sniffed them out.
Fuck.
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hydro-city-zone · 2 years
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he’s been in every post so far, but it’s finally time he got his own post! It’s Dave Harley!
new here? You can find John/June Lalonde, Jade Strider��and Rose Egbert here! silly lore under the cut
-raised by Jake Harley instead of Bro -being raised by Jake helped draw out his interest in paleontology.  -has a “pet” crow. and by that i mean is constantly harassed by The God Crow(tm) on the daily. it brings him many many useless objects he doesn’t want. -met Rose because GCrow sent him to New York once and then flew away and she had to help him find it. -met John/June through Rose. their first conversation involved John/June asking him if he wanted to know the exact time and date of his death. (they talk a lot about fortune telling and various dead things) -records sweet poetry on cassette tapes (thanks to whoever suggested that i do not remember who it was but you’re awesome.) -he/they pronouns. we made him non biney. -before he could enter the session, a version of himself from the future showed up and told him he was from a future where they all died. (Dave) then proceeded to live in Dave’s house until they entered the medium and he backflipped into Dave’s sprite. Fucking die. (See Addendum) -apprehensively hits it off with his patron troll (yup we are still being vague about it). -still a hero of time. you might be able to guess what class based on how (Dave)’s aspect saved his life.
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vintagegamebro · 7 months
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ALSO dave and jade deserved so much better. you wanna know what their last normal pesterlog was without any horseshit? the last thing that happened between them before the final battle? this
jade and her patron troll karkat never even got a conversation after cascade. (but were not gonna bring karkat into this lol i respect ur tag)
this is so fuckin sad considering dave and jade were pretty close. remember how popular davejade used to be back in the day? they have good chemistry and it was clear they really cared for each other but then it just died off because of the shenanigans. i have so many thoughts on davejade because dave acted softer around her from the start / didnt give her as much shit which was huge because dave was kind of a little irony hardened menace in 2009
not to mention their narrative entanglement and complementary themes and what i said in my tags here. but the plot ended up conspiring against them…..
what are your thoughts about this / davejade in any capacity
i wrote a scene where jade and dave reunited in the new session she never gets held back as a plot device because its what they deserved. goddamn….oh god and we are NOT going to talk about the epilogues because it was character assassination youre so correct so i wrote an idea that too and gave jade the justice she deserved on earth c
i can tell that you really really love both of these characters that makes me real happy because i dont think a lot of the people that are actively in the fandom right now really get either of them that well. ill write up some of my opinions under this cut sorry that theyre so scattered and messy
ive read up your links and you are really really good at articulating what you mean and are extremely correct about a lot of their feelings and foilage to each other, i think, as well as having pretty believable text for both of them. super appreciate that
for me, when i was reading homestuck my first couple of times, i didnt necessarily ship them that much, but i certainly expected them to be some kind of endgame and i thought they were honestly incredibly cute. it IS true - dave is far far softer with jade, he engages in her interests more than anyone else, he often seeks out her opinion on what he does, be it music or his writings. and although she does take jabs at him quite often, she does not particularly bully him as much as the other beta kids do - theres a different kind of playful banter between them, it very much feels like what would be an ordinary first romance in any other kind of media
i think what i really like about their dynamic is that both of them are very lonely people in a very unique way. i couldnt really call john lonely, and while rose didnt have the happiest home life, i couldnt call her the loneliest either, because at least she had something going with her mother that made it feel as if at least in some way, she was involved enough to give rose some idea of what she felt towards her. dave and jades parental units did anything but show them how they felt. everybody already knows how it is between dave and his bro, but not a lot of people realize how awful it mustve been to grow up the way jade did and still turn out this kind and smart. i think the page where the narration says "he was so much easier to deal with when he was alive" really cemented it in my head how fucking shitty it is to have jake as your parent, alive or not, because he died so early that its easier to pretend jade knew anything about what he was really like. i dont think the other kids could quite understand those feelings they must have for their family but them. thats what i feel
what was done to them felt honestly evil. that final dialogue between them, where dave sincerely tells her that she could talk to him about what WILL happen, what he ENSURES will happen at her hand really shows the kind of trust he had in her, and not only that - he, as always, was ready to die for his friends, whether or not its what he or they wanted, because hes just that self sacrificial. i remember when i read that part for the first time i cried a little bit because it was such a tragic way for them to part for 3 years with no communication, and it was only proceded by more tragedy because jade then had no one but davesprite to turn to, and davesprite needed anything but romance at that point. while inbetween the gigapauses and whynot i had already kind of forgotten that all of this happened, i still felt like their resolution was to come and that it wouldve been glorious. you have no idea how dumbfounded i was during the whole grimbark ordeal because it (to me at the time) felt like such a nothing twist to pull on jade all of a sudden. this was that era of homestuck where i couldnt understand if i even still liked it or was delusional about my feelings for it but when dave and jade had that whole extremely confrontational dialogue it just felt..off to me? i just dont think that this is genuinely how jade felt about him and using davesprite as a scapesgoat to blame their shortlived romance on just dave felt kind of unfair too. i often debate on if i love dave more than davesprite so do forgive the favoritism but he did not deserve to be dragged in that part as much as he was because this was supposed to be a conversation between *dave* and her, manipulated dog puppet or not. and to think that after all this he still chose to save her, like always, probably knowing he had little to no chance, just because he cares for her, her life and who she is beyond this moment, really meant a lot for them. i really, really was mad that this would be the last time they would truly ever be together in a way that to me mattered, because the retcon was where this comic stopped being what i liked and could excuse pulling bullshit
i think they shouldve had their time to finally talk about what happened, to talk about how they felt, didnt even matter if theyd end up together - i just think that for how much they couldve been they ended up very little. i often wonder if hussie just had some kind of problem with harlenglishes or something because that guy despised jake and did some extremely questionable things to jade. im kind of mindlessly rambling at this point, i really need to reread this fucking thing, but yeah, i did like them, i do think they couldve been wonderful together, and i think they deserved to be treated as a proper set of characters because for what they managed to be, they were real fucking good
the one last thing i can say is the "i missed you" scene would kill me with a rock if it was the dave and jade we followed for like, ages, instead of these random versions of them i could care less about
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left4deadstuck · 1 year
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You bite your lower lip. You don't think being straight to the point with Karkat would be a good idea… Though you considered it heavily before ultimately choosing to go with an apology.
Okay… Here it comes.
Dave: hey. Dave: im… sorry Dave: im sorry man
Your voice is quiet. Maybe too quiet, making you think the other didn't hear you. So you look up to glance at the other.
Dave: genuinely i Dave: i didnt think wed see each other like
You don’t get the chance to finish before he raises his hand to cut you off.
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Karkat: YOU KNOW IF I WANTED TO WATCH SOMEONE VOMIT THE FLIMSIEST APOLOGY KNOWN TO MAN, I'D GO OUTSIDE AND WATCH ONE OF THE INFECTED ASSHOLES OUT THERE THROW UP THEIR GUTS ONTO THE PAVEMENT. Karkat: AND IT WOULD STILL BE A BETTER "SORRY" THAN ANYTHING YOUR BATTER BRAINED SKULL COULD CONJURE UP RIGHT NOW. Karkat: SO SAVE US BOTH THE EMBARRASSMENT AND SHUT UP FOR GODSAKES
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You scowl, back straightening. Goddamnit now you remember. Remember how much of a crabby jackass he is.
Dave: oh Dave: because sitting in the dark while silently death glaring at each other is productive Dave: cause we got all the time in the world to just kick back and do absolutely nothing but seethe at each other Dave: not like i was trying t
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Karkat: TO DO WHAT EXACTLY? BE REMORSEFUL? BE ACTUALLY APOLOGETIC WITH NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE DESPITE KNOWING I CAN BE OF USE TO YOU? Karkat: DO YOU HONESTLY TAKE ME FOR SOME KIND OF FUCKING IDIOT?! Karkat: THAT I WOULD EVEN HUMOR THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SORRY?!! Karkat: THAT I'LL JUST TOSS MY RESENTMENT AND FRUSTRATION OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE BECAUSE POOR OL' STRIDER IS JUST A PATHETIC LUMP OF BRUISES! Karkat: *FAT FUCKING CHANCE.* Karkat: YOU COULD BE FOLDED INTO THE MOST DISGUSTING AND AGONIZING EXAMPLE OF HUMAN ORIGAMI AND I'D STILL BE "SEETHING" Karkat: SO YEAH, *I’M SORRY* THAT I DECIDED NOT TO WASTE MY TIME AND ENERGY HEARING YOUR LOUSY ATTEMPT AT A HEART TO HEART
Dave: … Dave: sigh
Once upon a time Jade had asked you and your mutual group of friends to test out the latest version of her new project. A mental inventory system that had a very convoluted retrieval and sorting system. Luckily her team was quick to fix that after your group’s trials with it.
Jade never really told you exactly why, but you always speculated that some people on her team, or well, someone, didn’t really trust your legitimacy enough when signing your NDA. Maybe it shouldn’t have surprised you though, after all you have made a name for yourself with your bizarre level of spectacles you do for the sake of irony.
It did not thrill you to find out the next morning that you would now deal with the living embodiment of “stick up the ass” as your personal bodyguard for however long the trial had to last for. Despite your best efforts to get rid of the guy, you’ve quickly learned a few things about Mr. Vantas here. One of those things being that he is skeptical and stubborn to a fault.
Well, there it goes, your plans being haplessly thrown out the window! Poor sons of bitches didn’t even have a chance-
You hear a snap next to your ear
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Karkat: JESUS CHRIST CAN YOU STOP MUMBLING TO YOURSELF FOR A SECOND AND PAY ATTENTION
Dave: what Dave: you have another drawn out monologue about how god awful i am? Dave: are you sure your throat can handle that shakespeare Dave: ya dont exactly have the voice for stage anymore with all that smoke Dave: but lets be real here Dave: its probably a good thing that you cant blow out anyone within a 10 ft radius of you eardrums anymore because you decided to make causal conversation
Karkat: YOU MOUTHY FUCKING PRICK- Karkat: CAN YOU DO THE WORLD Karkat: AND ME ESPECIALLY Karkat: A FUCKING FAVOR TO SHOVE WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU HAVE IN YOUR WINDPIPE AND FUCKING LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO TELL YOU FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS
Dave: ok sir ill be on my best behavior for "five fucking seconds"
Karkat:THANK YOU, GODDAMN. Karkat: AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO JUST KICK YOUR USELESS ASSES OUT OF MY HOUSE, I DON’T THINK I’LL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE A FIGHT BETWEEN YOUR POTENTIALLY TRIGGER HAPPY HELLSPAWN. Karkat: AND ALTHOUGH I THINK IT’S WITHIN MY RIGHT TO FEEL THIS LEVEL OF BRIGHT HOT ANGER TOWARDS ALL OF YOU… Karkat: SIGHS … I
He looks up at the ceiling as if his next few words are the greatest offense that any higher power could have subjected him to utter.
Karkat: (GOD I MUST BE MORE SICK THAN I THOUGHT.) Karkat: I, FOR SOME REASON THAT SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE SEEING AS I HAVE DEALT WITH ENOUGH OF YOUR TOTAL TRASH FIRE OF A PREDICAMENT, BUT HERE I AM EVER THE GLUTTON FOR MORE SELF-INFLICTED MISERY
Dave: yeah yeah i get it Dave: im a dick get to the point
Karkat: I DON’T WANT YOU TO DIE, YOU COMPLETE JACKASS!
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Karkat: AND I HATE THAT CAUSE THAT RISKS MY LIFE FOR SOMEONE I ABSOLUTELY DON'T OWE SHIT TO, BUT NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I TRY TO THINK OF A REASON TO JUSTIFY IT TO MYSELF I CAN’T. Karkat: I CAN'T LIVE EASY KNOWING THAT IF SOMEONE DIED, EVEN IF THAT SOMEONE IS FUCKING YOU...I Karkat: I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN SURVIVORS GUILT YOU YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
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Dave: oh Dave: uh Dave:th Karkat: NO SHUT THE FUCK UP Karkat: FUCKING Karkat: NO!
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Karkat: HAVING A SENSE OF COMPASSION STILL DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT’S EITHER I HELP OR I DIE. Karkat: DON’T TAKE THE FACT THAT I SOMEHOW STILL HAVE MY MORALS INTACT AS FLATTERY. Karkat: INSTEAD BURY THAT IDEA SO FAR IN THE WORTHLESS SLUDGE YOU CALL A THOUGHT PROCESS UNTIL IT ATOMIZES INTO NONEXISTEN-!
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He must've worked himself up. You watch him as he moves out of your space to turn and hack up a cloud of smoke. Well, if this isn’t just the perfect time to digest the clusterfuck he has given you. While it is great that he is going to help you out, he’s doing it out of fear and as fuck up as it is, it’s an advantage you have over him.
Though is it a good idea to go along with that? That could risk him fucking you all over and abandoning all of you last minute. You could gain his trust, maybe offer him something that he might want, but even then what would you give him, you have no clue if you have anything to offer him, not to mention that again, he could still just ditch the plan when the opportunity shows up.
What are you going to do?
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===> AUDIENCE
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thewebcomicsreview · 2 months
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Oh hey, Homestuck 2 updated. With a flashback, no less. It's been a loooong time since we've seen Harry, but I remember liking him. Honestly I like all the new characters more than the HS2 incarnations of the old characters.
You’re still at home. Stuck.
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Oh Jesus, John and Roxy in the "Guardian" style. Kind of interesting the presentation, though, that this is how the kids see their parents. Good way of explaning why where weren't like this before.
that SUPPOSEDLY DIVINE NEGLIGEE’s inability to accommodate your dads AWKWARD MAN-BOD was downright sacrilegious
I just like this sentence.
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It's weird that we're getting a room introduction for Harry, the one character who actually got one in HS2. Huge emphasis on costumes and outfits here, which is what leads a lot of people to think Harry might be a Heart player. That's into fan-theory, though. In actual Homestuck, Kanaya was the "fashion" troll, and Jade was the one who had all the different outfits she kept switching between, so add "Space" to the board here. Also, the fucking Bunny is back.
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Harry is basically trying to get a redesign here, and he doesn't like his bag. He does apparently need something to carry his stuff in. That's...odd. He has a sylladex, we saw him use it before this flashback takes place. Is the bag like Dad's wallet, a physical item representing a video game-y abstraction?
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This is the best panel in the update
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Okay, Harry has "Sleezy Headbanger" and "IdeogranicDramaturgy" in his contact list. These are new characters, and the second update in a row with mysterious new names in people's phones.
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You know, it's really weird that the Omega Kids don't have logos, requiring Vrissy to be represented by a silhouette of her own head here. Especially since Harry changed closes in this very update and didn't take advantage of the opportunity to do some branding. Those simple shirts were famously good-selling merch, and they served a story purpose, so it's odd HSBC isn't doing them.
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Man, Harry is just all the original four kids, isn't he? He's got the rambly nature of Dave with the dumb sincerity of John.
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D'aww
VRISSY: I think they should 8e here Soon, so let's take a seat and Chill out, okay? HARRY: ...my my, how can i resist ya? ;) VRISSY: Oh my G8D, I told you Never to S8y that Again!!!!!!!!
Is that a fucking Mamma Mia reference? Out of nowhere, without Vrissy even setting him up for it?
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Anyway, we're caught up to the present, and the three kids are united.
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Though, Given Vrissy's sudden furious rage, it looks like the four kids are meeting up for the first time. We're actually going to get a conversation with the four new kids, something that never happened with the four originals in HS1. I'm actually really excited for this. Yiffy gets to meet another person who just furiously hates her sight unseen. What a novelty for her that'll be!
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davekat-sucks · 3 months
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If there's one thing i don't like about this fandom it's how much they make the kids more meaner? Villainizing? Than they actually are. Don't get me wrong, they have done a lot of bad but like these characters are FRIENDS. They do genuinely care about eachother in the end they aren't cold hearted and revel in other's suffering, they aren't Caliborn or Vriska afterall. I think they read the comic wrong, the kids were willing to sacrifice their own lives for eachother, a prime example of this was Daves conversation with doomed Rose. I blame the spaceship meteor part of the story for ruining the characters. Like everyone acted so ooc? Why were Jade and Davesprite giving John such a hard time about his dad die dying? Both of them literally had to watch their guardians die in front of them, you'd think they'd be the most sympathetic here? Or how Dave and Karkat, characters who will go through lengths to protect their friends just fucking stand there as everyone else tears themselves or eachother apart? Karkat is an ass yes but this was the same guy who was crying his heart out when he saw Solluxs dead body when in game or how he told Aradia bot that he would've tried to get her back to life if it weren't for other circumstances. Why was everyone being so uncaring at this part? It didn't feel right. The alpha kids got it the WORST, from bad writing to fandom treatment. I remember back in the day seeing stuff where Dirk was just down right mean to Jane "hahaha sucks to be you Jake is mine fat bitch". There was even a little bit of this aggressiveness in House of Dirk, now i do find that story fun but the small part where he calls Jane "xenophobic", bothered me. Like he would NOT say that to her. Have you seen how he speaks to her? "If you ever need help, Jane. If you're ever in any trouble at all. Let me know. Just say the word." Same guy who built a robot to protect her life and pretty much wrote an entire book for her, i think Dirk cares about Jane guys. This fandom and comic is so mean to Jane, as funny as i thought it was that Caliborn called her a fat fucking pig and cow, she really just became a punching box at that point. They'll shit on her because she's a woman getting in the way of the gay men. The ONLY thing people get from her as a character is that she's fat, because Caliborn said so along with a bunch of other things. Jake, poor Jake, gets sexualized by everyone he knows and had to burn his Grandmothers body right in front of him. But according to fans HE'S the asshole here because he cant communicate properly. Gee i wonder why. Roxy gets put on a fucking pedestal by the comic and fans, super extra special treatment. Ignore how she sexually harasses Dirk or almost killed Jane, no she's incapable of doing wrong, isn't that right Calliope? Yes, Roxy should be the new leader AND kill the Condescension yes. Now i never finished reading the epilogues because why would i? I'm probably missing a lot if we're taking them into consideration but not taking it into consideration because my point still stands because thats how the fandom treated them even before those came out. And even when talking about the base comic i still see those attitudes.
These characters DO have their personal problems but when people talk about they insert angst where it doesn't exist for favor of projection and i hate how common its become.
If people claim it is just cynicism that comes with growing up, there's clearly a difference between being cynicism, nihilism, and being a straight up asshole. If people say it is Dave and Karkat's depression is the reason why they stand around doing nothing as Rose becomes alcoholic and Terezi gets abused by Gamzee, it's sure strange they got over their depression right as VRISKA comes in to solve everything and those two bastards act like nothing had happened. Everything by Act 6 and Post Retcon just made all the characters worse. They have become an empty shell of who they used to be. The bleak outlook has become a theme for current Homestuck. It's been like this for Epilogues and Homestuck^2 too. I don't know if James Roach and HICU can really save the franchise and get out of all the characters having this negative light. Andrew Hussie and WhatPumpkin has shoved this jaded feeling right in the audience's faces that it's become the norm to expect the worse. Readers expect characters being assholes and more depression, they will receive it because Hussie and WhatPumpkin made it so.
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rin-hanarin · 1 year
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There's this 11 years old Homestuck fic that forever changed my perception of the post scratch timeline called Like Forgetting the Words.
I think about it sometimes and I imagine Rose and Jade would remember important bits and pieces, but Dave and John wouldn't. Alpha Dave gets the shades and the bunny, "had brief obsession with Con Air" according to Dirk, built and entire memorabilia museum, but he doesn't consciously remember. He'd watch things John Crocker was starring in by accident and have a good laugh at how dumb and friend shaped he is and get an unbearable sense of longing for something, but he wouldn't remember anything still. Then one day Rose takes him to some random grave in Washington and says that she needs to visit a friend, and she brings flowers and talks to the stone, and Dave just kinda watches her do that. She asks him vague questions and he has no answers, so he one day comes back alone to the grave and brings red flowers, saying something like "thats probably blasphemy or some shit i hope your family doesnt freak out if they ever see that". He finds the meaning of these flowers in a book by a certain J. English Rose conveniently gifts him one day, and it's something really specific, written in a manner young girl would write and not a famous old rich woman. He comes back to the grave every year in April, talks about whatever at it and has one-sided conversations with himself, and wishes "John" a Happy 13th one day in 2009 and finds it hysterical that it's the date of his death on the gravestone for some reason. He comes to the grave one last time after killing the juggalos because he thinks he saw a flash of blue there and says that he "wanted to bring these motherfuckers heads to you didnt you hate clowns or something? thats kinda fucked up now that i think about it i dont wanna defile your grave with these pieces of shit bro my bad". He dies to the Condesce and thinks that maybe he'd get to see them again.
Young John Crocker would spend hours listening to clocks ticking and writing in journals in different colors, trying to find the right one with the right voice to go with it. He ends up being left behind by his sister, the last thing remaining is her garden with a wide selection of rose plants, so he looks after it to pass the time, begging of Betty not to destroy it. He has a great interest in film and the way it develops during 1900s, but never someone to share it with, and he so desperately wants to that he end up writing his every thought about it like he's writing a letter to someone. He would collect vinyl records and scratch them sometimes for no apparent reason, and asks his son in his will to auction his collection some day after his death, only for some rich movie director to buy them later for such an obscene amount of money that Mr. Crocker expects him to ask for a refund. He never remembers anything, but his family recalls how detached he was sometimes, like his thoughts were in a completely different world, and in the end of the day no amount of movie roles and comedy gigs made him any less lonely.
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aaeds · 3 months
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I've had it with HS^2
I don't make fanart or content for this fandom anymore, but after putting on "Let's Read Homestuck" in the background while I've been working I've returned to having a few Alpha kid WIPs. I have also returned to scouring the tags for cool fanart and opinions.
This is not the fandom I remember back when I was reading the comic partway through Act 2.
I cannot say I'm inspired by Homestuck^2, and to roughly quote another user - I don't know who the audience for this comic is for. The epilogues themselves were a disaster and the Candy/Meat timeline idea appears to exist to create even more drama with lackluster stakes.
There's no real clear 'goal' or core to the story besides...the fact there are two universes. And we have Ultimate-self villains.
It reads like bad fanfiction, that's nothing new - the problem is I don't think the authors are writing with irony. The series has turned into a ship-heavy metal bat beating older fans to death with teen drama and character assassination.
The current team clearly has no interest or plans for Jade for example, and in the recent update with Aradia and Robo-Dave discussing time travel - it really seemed like her body being on the floor was an excellent time to rehash several existential conversation points we ALREADY had in the original Homestuck about stable timeloops, dead Daves and how he uses his Godtier powers.
Outside of several unnecessary pages of dialogue, it was disturbing that no part of Ultimate Dave would help move Jade off the fucking floor while he and Aradia sleep in lawn chairs watching her until she became 'The Muse' It is so out of character. Pre-retcon Dave died protecting her body, Davesprite destroyed his relationship with both John and Jade knowing they would be reunited with the 'real' Dave. He was a true knight when he felt it was appropriate and mattered. But now we have a Dave who is back to having an existential crisis about his powers, life and death - and his sexuality. By bringing up dead Dave's Marriage from the epilogues. He didn't even mention Jade by name, presuming the reader read at least the wiki article on the disastrous self indulgent mess.
But that was all he had to say on that dead Dave. Just about not loving Jade. No one else, doesn't even bring up Karkat or Terezi, let alone any of his friends. Talking about Sollux for half a second I'm convinced was just to bring up a failed marriage and apparently 'not wanting to be gay'? This isn't Dave anymore, and if that's the point I want to know why we as readers should care because I promise you coming fresh off Act 6 for the third time these are not the same characters. Davepeta had a better outlook on what it means to experience doomed selves, whether they were chipper about it because of Nepeta's influence is neither here nor there. No matter what Davesprite did, it was in character for what Dave would have done because he knows himself. When it meant self sabotage so his friends could go back to the Alpha timeline Dave, that was a circumstance, and an act any Dave would have made because of the way he thought at 13 years old. That doesn't mean he didn't change, or would never change.
I don't think the furthest ring has rattled the kids in a glass jar hard enough to give them critical brain damage through every doomed timeline that they're different people. At least not in the way Robo-Dave is, or frankly anything in the Epilogue.
I'm done with the writers treating Jade as a dead animal to stuff Calliope into for a milquetoast attempt at a plot device without treating that as a joke in itself.
No Homestuck isn't a serious comic, but there's a reason Cascade broke several websites while Beyond Canon can barely drudge a handful of tagged UPD8 replies. Its audience is small and unchallenged. We don't need to bring back the use of the hard R to be invested in a storyline, but if all you're interested in in a piece of media is gender identity and sexuality well you've got it. That said, neither are a genre on their own.
HS^2 lacks one and direction and it's just going to keep dragging its carcass through the dirt until every unseen pairing in panel is churned through the fanfic machine.
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paradoxcase · 10 months
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QuCheanya post 3:
I have added an extra tense:
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"Sideways" tense is for talking about things in other timelines. What I've discovered when trying to write this story is that this tense is actually quite necessary. You know the gay fanfiction problem? Where you have two participants in the sentence, and they both use the same pronouns, and sometimes it becomes hard to figure out which pronoun refers to which person? Well, time travel stories have an even worse version of the gay fanfiction problem, which is that sometimes two participants not only have the same pronouns, but also have the same name because they are both versions of the same person from different times, or different timelines, or something. I never realized it until now, but Homestuck actually handled this so seamlessly I never realized it was an issue. We have all the pesterlogs where people are specifically labeled with whether they are from the past, or the future, or the present, and we have people talking about "past Karkat" or "future Karkat", etc. which is basically exactly what QuCheanya does with noun tenses. And then in another place, we have an alternate timeline Dave being referred to as "feltsuit Dave" (ok, I can't remember if that term actually existed in canon or only in fandom, but he was identified in canon by the outfit he was wearing), Dave who comes back from the doomed timeline becomes Davesprite, Jade's dead dreamself becomes Jadesprite, etc. I remember people joking about how Homestuck was just all about coming up with new modifiers for "self", e.g. "dreamself", "past self", "spriteself", whatever, but the thing is, it needed to do this in order for all the time travel to make sense. And then at the end, we had that conversation between Vriska and (Vriska) which had the potential to be extremely confusing, but Hussie utilized a fandom meme to make it clear who was speaking when. Anyway, I digress. The point is, the noun tenses solve this gay time travel fanfiction problem pretty well.
I now have actual interlinears explicating the tense system:
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Those are the simple past/present/future tenses. I think that use of rinu may be new content, but we'll get to that part later.
Here's an example of the time travel tenses in action:
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Imagine, you're asked to design a conlang, and the next day someone shows up with a grammar of your conlang and the example sentences are actually about YOU.
-me indicates a noun is a title, so, neaSapfita just means "priestess" with a little p, while neaSapfitame means "Priestess" with a big P that has to precede someone's name. You can also stick on the back of regular names to mean Mr. or Mrs.
Here is an example with an embedded clause with a different tense:
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And here is the "I don't like you" example spelled out in the document, complete with a sideways tense example:
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Side note at this point, that I'm now no longer using tables to make these interlinears and instead using the dedicated package for linguistics examples, expex, which is why they look so much better, and why there are more of them. It's great.
That's it for today.
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im a bad mutual i forgor ur faves BUT!!!!!!! um. Uh. tee hee. GIVE ME. ROXY LALONDE. AND. LE EPIC JOHN. . 🏳️‍🌈����👽😭
oh shit that reminds me. i said i was gonna up and make a faves list to link on my blog foreverrrr ago and i totally forgot. (now ill do it for sure. eventually)
anyways!!! this shit is long so im putting it under a
roxy:
🏳️‍🌈 she is so bisexual to me idk. i also like mtf roxy hcs those have always been soo so real 2 me
🧸 i think she had a lot of imaginary friends. people and animals. shed walk around this big ol house and imagine she was hanging with all these guys. and i think she was suuuuper chatty with the neighbors. in a cute lil kid way. the carpacians? i think? its been forever since i read the comic (whoops)
👽 i think she hates silence like in conversations. it makes her super uncomfortable like something went wrong so shell try to fill it up by saying shit. any thing . or maybw not idk lol thats projection
😭 hmm well i think teenage alcoholism is up there. idt she felt so good abt it at any point. like this guilt maybw. maybe she wondered if she was actually disappointing her mother or wasting her memory? maybee
JOHN:
🏳️‍🌈 john said hes not a homosexual which means hes OBVIOUSLY bisexual. obv. i remember seeing this lil ftm john comic where hes talking to dave for the first time and daves like. so whats ypur name. and johns like shoot. and he looks around his room and sees one of his dumb movie posters and it has the name john on it and hes like. thats it thats the one. and he tells dave his name is john. i love that shit. if i could find it id link it here.
🧸 john was a bastard child i think. prankster from a young age. he was literally born to be someones brother yk. oh shit. jades i guess. lmao he was born to be her twin brother. i think he was a happy lil kid though dad egbert strikes me as a delightfully silly man.
👽 hmm honestly i think hes the normalest out of all the kids maybe??? except jane but even jane had all the weird batterwitch shit goin on. maybe john likes socks. thats weird as shit who the hell likes socks. he seems like the type to. maybe hed like silly hideous patterned socks.
😭 i hate HATED the epilogues but something abt depressed john appeals to me. i HATE the way they did it but i think john having mental illness is great. hes got like these inklings of depression and dysphoria and then SBURB happens. worst birthday ever. his dad dies. he meets his best friends forever? conflicting stuff his brain doesnt know what to do. maybe a lil residual trauma from that day. he doesnt like birthdays anymore. this is nothing but im having fun writing so. lol.
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spacedhead · 8 months
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homestuck reread #5: a5a2 part 1
we have finally made it out of the troll session and into the troll - human hybrid adventure that the rest of the comic will be. until more shenanigans ensue that is
look at this.... it reminds me of someone i know...... i love these two together theyre so awesome. john is sort of like if tavros had self respect
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:D
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that gif of the troll guys smile slowly fading away
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ahahahaah this is so awesome
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there have been a ton of narrative parallels in the comic so far but this one is so much more obvious than the others. maybe because it happened right after
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YEAH YOU ARE!!!!!!! HE DOESNT EVEN KNOWWW
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hmmmm
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HMMMMMMMMMMM
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john is now vriska coded. sweeeeet
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this is so funny. bro does not care at alllll
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dave why do you call women crazy. do you think thats chill
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HI DAVE HIIII DAVE HI IHIHI HI
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what could they be referring to.......?
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😎
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baby daveee
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cool panel. he is in the pipes
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okay so right now there is a ton of shit happening. theres a bunch of daves running around his planet making fucking bank and hes also working with terezi. john is talking to vriska about getting jade in. rose is talking to kanaya about how they arent actually gonna win the game so she wants answers. jade is..... asleep. again. whats new. but she will have more to do soon im sure. and the panels are getting way cooler! look
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my sons are having a meeting about GIRLS.... half of yall arent even into girls 😹😹😹
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its so funny how often he fumbles. like he wants SO BADLY to come off like this hyper aggressive badass leader guy who takes no shit from anyone but just. every conversation is him utterly embarrassing himself in front of people he values the opinion of. and you know what? he is all the more the based for that. we salute you karkat
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i think this one is a game!!!
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that was a game alright i walked around as karkat and talked to all the trolls then did the same thing as terezi and vriska . was fun got some cool easter eggs. also some "demon" destroyed prospit so now karkat is saying that no prospit dreamers are allowed to go to sleep
this shit zoomed in GODDAMN it scared me
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look at her fucking stance. she looks like shes ready to do a cart wheel or something
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this art is so good man
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man. him too huh. maybe its the noses. or the shading
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DO NOT SEND HIM THAT VIDEO DAVE . DONT DO ITTTT PLEASE
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welp. its the beginning of the end here now. i cant even remember what makes him become... what he becomes. i just remember that this was a part of it, i think?
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is this bars?
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REAL.... dave does not miss
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poor davesprite :( one day you will become half cat troll and work out all of your personal issues
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heres a really cool panel to end this part on
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i feel like my commentary was lackluster in this one... mostly because im just enjoying reading. taking it all in . i think the comic has really hit its stride at this point (hehe stride) and i am looking forward to revisiting whats coming up next :p
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thewertsearch · 9 months
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GG: ok, my robot exploded GG: now what smart guy! CG: HOLY SHIT, IT'S HARLEY CG: COMMUNICATING WITH ME OUT OF NOWHERE OF HER OWN VOLITION CG: HOLD THAT THOUGHT WHILE I GO INFORM MY DISGRACE OF A CLOWN FRIEND ABOUT THIS TRUE REAL LIFE MIRACLE, IT MIGHT LIFT HIS SPIRITS
Oh, god. The last thing Jade's psyche needs right now is a conversation with early Karkat.
GG: will you just tell me what you wanted? CG: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. CG: I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO CONTACT ME, NOT THAT I'M NOT TICKLED BY THE SURPRISE.
Future Karkat should remember this conversation - which means he knew he was leading Jade to his uncooperative past self. Presumably when he's cooled off a little, he'll actually start to be helpful.
CG: YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T CONTACT THE RIGHT ME. GG: what does that mean! CG: I MEAN FUTURE ME IS PROBABLY THE ONE TO TALK TO ABOUT THIS.
...or, because Karkat is allergic to simplicity, he's going to act as a go-between for his own future self.
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John, Dave, Jade and Future Karkat vs Karkat! Let's go!
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Do I even need to open the Pesterlog? I feel like I've just been told everything I need to know.
CCG: IT WAS HILARIOUS WATCHING YOU GROW UP. CCG: YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD ALL THE ANSWERS, FROLICKING ALL OVER YOUR ISLAND BEING INFURIATINGLY CHIPPER, BUILDING ROBO-BUNNIES LIKE A MORON AND ULTIMATELY RUINING EVERYTHING. CCG: YOU WERE SO SURE YOUR DREAMS TOLD YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO KNOW. CCG: AND NOW LOOK AT YOU
I wouldn't call it hilarious. In retrospect, Jade's overreliance on Prospit's clouds makes perfect, tragic sense.
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Jade Harley was a traumatized child living alone on an island, and Skaia was the only thing in her life that provided her with any reassurance whatsoever.
Of course she fixated on its prophecies. They were all she had.
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visionaryparacosmos · 7 months
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Remember how Dave tricked Jade into waking herself up with her dreambot? I feel like he’s either done that before or already had a plan in place for doing so. Just imagine that conversation:
TG: yo harley
TG: youre weird when youre asleep and message me
TG: like im flattered that you want me in your dreams but its all hells of weird when you cant carry a conversation
TG: dropping the conversation like a dog drops a ball hoping to play fetch
TG: except you dont drop the ball so we cant play fetch because you keep getting distracted by dreams with ball pits and you try to pick up all the balls
TG: and by the end of it you lost the original ball you had
TG: so no fetch for you but now youre dreaming about steak so its cool
TG: or it would be if your creepy video bot didnt transcribe your ball pit fantasy to me while trying to hold a legible conversation
TG: can i like trick you into waking yourself up by swatting at yourself with your voyeur bot or something next time
GG: um, sure dave! but please only do that if its an emergency. it doesnt sound like a very fun way to wake up!
TG: ok cool thanks jade
TG: now im gonna rap at you for an hour about furries, multi-level marketing schemes, and plato’s allegory of the cave
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1.I read your hc about Alpha Kids education and I wonder how much of Grandma English not telling Jake about HIC was because she thought she still had more time. Like he was still very little when she died. But at the same time for me it makes Jake look very sharp that he managed to survive on that island. Buuut yeah, he wouldn't survive normal school (mood).
2. Im really curious if you have hc about Jake relationship with Jade? I'm still sad that them being penpals and clearly friends for years was ignored in Homestuck. They build murderbunny together! Best bonding time ever. Plus I bet that Dirk was veeeeeery jealous that Jake build a ROBOT with SOMEONE ELSE for SOMEONE ELSE.
1. I do think she told him ENOUGH about HIC that, like, he got a helping of generational trauma from both Condy and LE which I love because angst. I do think she would've told him more, though, when he was... you know, older. But I can just as easily see her not going into true graphic detail about the stuff she used to experience. You have Jake remembering vividly about her mother killing her dog, but she told of a more "fantastical" tale despite that detail, curiously enough. Jade has so much she just builds up inside of her that I don't think she'd ever say enough to make Jake feel as truly devastated as she knew he probably would. I imagine she told him about Bec first and foremost, which had Jake spiraling, the poor boy. She tried to tell him what she could without breaking his heart ):
2. I could probably talk about Jade and Jake and their relationship together for fucking ages and all the different dynamics, because imo there's an infinite amount of ways I handle them in my head! In which case I'll probably go into my favorite platonic dynamic for them post-game, which I've done a LOT of thinking over since 2017.
Platonic route aside I love Dirk being jealous of Jade anyway. Jake clearly went to his grandma first and foremost as his main source of comfort after such a traumatizing game and a messy breakup with a hint of sexual assault to boot, and this is more or less Hussie-confirmed! In the epilogues, out of all the direct pairs (John and Jane, Dave and Dirk, Rose and Roxy), Jade and Jake seem to be the absolute closest with each other! And the umm. Well the whole Harlenglish annual orgy thing which is....... MOVING ON!
I think she always ends up seeing him as more of her grandson than she does her grandpa, especially since they know each other as kids and all! Jake, though, just naturally seems to fit into the role of soft submissive boy raised by an awesome woman trope. He greatly idolizes her, just like he canonically does John, who I imagine he saw as more of a "Poppop" than Jane did, seeing as everything Jade told him about dear old John! It's honestly so adorable I could cry! Jake loves his family to bits and pieces and it's so... SO very wholesome.
I have my own ideas about how John would see Dirkjake working out ("EB: how can a black eye be consensual??") but Jade I think definitely Gets It more than anyone. That being said she is so horribly hard on Dirk anyway. That's her baby boy her grandpa her grandson her BROTHER!!! and she will aim a gun at him if he does something fucking stupid (and he does that a lot, I think.) Dirk however respects her to hell and back and he's like. Alright. If my boyfriend's grandma tells me to kill myself I'm gonna respect her wishes, because she's right. A lot of mutual respect remains between them all the same, imo, especially when their main goal is to just see Jake happy. I love them getting closer and starting to talk about their shared interests more than life itself as the years go by.
The conversation when he calls Jade about wanting to get out of his relationship in the candy route is one of my favorite parts between them and says sooooooo much, even if we didn't get it in canon Homestuck proper. He trusts her more than even Roxy, at that point, and that personally says so much to me. Ugh I love them. Even when they're only cousins in some AUs I make, they're always two peas in a pod that almost always share the same bed when they can.
I have some other ideas of course that would be better suited for another post, and some particular details for Grandpa and Jade and Grandma and Jake (likewise, very specific circumstances) but this is how I like to write their relationship in almost every regard. Jane doesn't strike me as very protective at all, much as I love her, but Jade and Jake will defend each other to the ends of the Earth. Jake basically threatened Dave in candy for not giving her a child, imagine if he BROKE HER HEART!!!
Harlenglishes 4ever. I would do anything for more content of them together. 😭
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