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thieves-never-say-die · 2 months
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Bad guy: unfortunately none of you can leave alive
*close up of Sophie, Eliot, and Paul looking supremely unconcerned*
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aflawedfashion · 3 months
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Maura & Jane | Rizzoli & Isles 2x05
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izloveshorses · 11 months
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comforting and reassuring each other with bedroom eyes is their way of flirting. they may as well be making out with tongue
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narrativedoomed-a · 1 year
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saw a gif of ben going feral
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bibylers · 3 months
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Byler vs Mileven
So, I haven't ever really "actually" thought about this question before. Mileven or Byler?
Byler, of course! But that's just what I think. What if we just think about it in general.
I decided to split this in three different questions.
1. Which one is better written? (long answer)
2. Which one is most likely endgame? (medium answer)
3. Which one has more fans? (short answer)
So, let's start with the first one!
WHICH ONE IS BETTER WRITTEN?
Let's start with Mileven.
Mileven has been canon ever since season 1, and is still canon in season 4. Let's think about how Mileven started.
A very original "love at first sight" scene. Mike, Lucas and Dustin are in the forest, searching for Will, but instead of finding Will, they accidentally find El. The camera right away starts zooming towards Mike instead of the other party members, which at least gave me the "oh okay so they're gonna be the main young couple" thought when I first watched s1.
I have personally never liked the idea of "love at first sight", which is one of the main reasons I do not like the way the writers started Mileven.
But, thinking in general, a love at first sight start is a normal and basic way to start a relationship.
We through st get to see how Mike and Elevens relationship escalate quickly from friends to lovers.
Now - what l'm about to say is of course very according to the writer, but as a (non professional ofc) writer myself, I don't enjoy writing a fast burn love story. And this doesn't just come from me, but many other writers too. A slow burn adds way more to the tension than what a fast burn does.
But, of course again, thinking in general, many people enjoy fast burns too.
Mileven in s2 is very well written in my opinion. I love how they made a long exhausting wait before finally letting Mike and Eleven meet again, after a year of not being able to even see eachother. They did not get a lot of time together, but they still got the emotional, slow motion reunion.
Season 3 Mileven is where Mileven were in their "honeymoon phase". Mileven shippers LOVED it, meanwhile, others did not. It started getting a little boring almost, with the same repeating cycle.
S1: Mileven get together, Mileven gets ruined (El "died")
S2: Mileven aren't together, Mileven get together (reunion)
S3: Mileven are together. Mileven break up. Mileven get back together.
Were the duffers EVER going to let Mileven just be together for a whole season?
Season 4 proved that the answer was definitely no.
S4: Mileven are together, they "break up", they get seperated, they reunite, and still do not officially get back together, despite Mike's love confession to El.
So, the basic compilation of Mileven:
Very healthy from s1-s2, got a little confusing in s3, getting completely ruined in s4.
Now, Byler time.
S1 Byler gets barely any screentime together, yet we still get the understanding that Mike and Wills relationship is very different from the other relationships (for example Dustin and Lucas.
Were shown that Will cannot lie to Mike & that Mike is the most concerned from the party about Will's missing.
S2 Byler on the other hand, has a lot of screentime together, and a lot of adorable moments.
For example, these:
Crazy together scene (2x02)
Mike coming over to take care of Will (2x04 & 2x05)
Mike tells Will that meeting him is the best thing that's ever happened to him (2x08)
Of course there are many others, but those are my favorites by far.
S2 was a great season over all for Byler. A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E.
Not yet generally thought as anything but platonic, but still, adorable.
S3 for Byler sadly wasn't the best season for them. Of course, Mike had ALOT of queercoding in this season and so did Will, but the Byler scene amount in particular were not even close to the same amount of Byler scenes in s2. We of course get the "It's not my fault you don't like girls" Byler rain fight (3x03), but that wasn't a very positive scene either.
This scene was the definition of Murray's "curtain explanation". The general audience does not usually try to look that deep under the curtain, meanwhile, hard core fans, st theorists and Bylers in particular LOVES to look behind the curtain. Search for clues everywhere.
And that search of course lead to this statement.
The duffers are building up a romantic plot between Will and Mike, specifically a Will Byers "gay plot" and a Mike Wheeler internalized homophobia plot.
And was that statement correct, 3 years later when S4 came out?
Oh yes it was.
S4: the Byler season
Bylers took over the whole fandom. (I'm not even joking).
S4 was of course mostly known for Max's plot, but secondly?
The byler plot.
Now, Byler compilation:
Very healthy from s1-s2, not at it's best in s3 (if you don't look behind the curtain), shining bright like a diamond in s4.
FINAL ANSWER TO QUESTION NO 1:
Byler.
Byler is better written.
There, I said it. Please do not MURDER ME.
Now, question NO2.
WHICH ONE IS MOST LIKELY ENDGAME?
Starting with Mileven, let's think about how s4 ended.
Broke up, seperated, never got back together.
Adding to this, El hadn't even spoken much to Mike after his love confession.
Now, that might sound a little strict, but the fact that all l just said was completely true, not even from behind the curtain, makes it just so clear how Mileven is obviously not at it's best, and most likely at it's end.
So, as a quick answer, I say: Mileven is most likely not becoming endgame in s5.
Now, Byler.
Awkward -> strong -> romantic.
Realize the buildup?
Their bond in S4 was absolutely adorable and strong.
Mikes face expressions towards Will:
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I mean, do I even have to say anything?
So incredibly in love.
So, once again as a quick answer:
Byler is almost 100% becoming endgame. Reasoning to why some of the general audience doesn't realize this is once again, because of the curtain. But, looking behind it, you realize right away how incredibly endgame they are.
Final question!
WHICH ONE HAS MORE FANS?
Well, basic explanation to this:
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Yeah. Byler it is.
So, FULL WRAP UP!!!
QUESTION 1: WHICH ONE IS BETTER WRITTEN:
Answer: Byler
QUESTION 2: WHICH ONE IS MOST LIKELY ENDGAME:
Answer: Byler
QUESTION 3: WHICH ONE HAS MORE FANS:
Answer: Byler
There you go everyone. Mileven vs Byler, who wins?
Personally: Byler
Generally: Byler
Answer?
Byler!!!!
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amuseoffyre · 3 months
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It's been a while so time for an update of all my S2-based/inspired Our Flag Means Death fic:
First Breath - PG (1560 words) Blackbeard wanted for unlicensed midwifery [poster]
Finally - R (700) Introspection in the end of 2x01 [2x01]
Rather Strong Actually - PG (750) Izzy has a realisation about the man who saved his crew [2x03]
Ring My Bell - E (1060) Stede gets a rude awakening in the middle of the night ;) [2x05]
It Went Snap - E (1k) Mary falling headlong for an absolutely wild Anne Bonny [2x04]
Making It Nice - R (1610) Stede is in need of some sex ed so he can... sex Ed. [2x05]
Security - PG/R (1500) Stede puts on Ed's collar [2x05]
Quiet - R (1600) The captains are going slow [2x05]
Sensitive E (1080) Department of backstory for the original chaotic polycule, featuring Jack, Anne and Mary. [2x04]
Good E (1200) After the explosive events of Calypso's birthday, Ed came to Stede's cabin. [2x06]
Une part de bonheur E (2200) Jim and Izzy have a moment, still caught up in the euphoria of Calypso's birthday [2x06]
Undertow R (1k) After the flight to the Revenge, Izzy wakes up somewhere strange... but familiar. [2x08]
A Safe Space R (1500) Wracked with grief, Ed makes a decision. [2x08]
Regrets R (1400) In the quiet of the inn in the dead of night, some truth comes out [2x08]
Visitation R (1500) Ricky can't seem to shake his unwanted visitor [2x08]
Stark Revelations R (2k) Turns out sitting with himself means Ed can start to put together some pieces that he had missed in the Stede Bonnet puzzle. [2x08]
Was R (800) Blood cooling on his hands, Ed just... stopped [2x08]
The Right Vibe R (3k) Ed realises Stede is making his cabin a home again [2x04]
The Ex-Mrs-Captain PG (2k) When her ship is raided by pirates, Mary makes a surprising discovery. [2x08]
Shared Death Experience PG (600) Stede finds an unexpected guest at the inn
A Gentleman's Handy R (2700) Wherein Ed finds that hand-holding has awakened something in him [2x05]
The Calm R (1300) After the storm, Izzy says his farewells [2x03]
Coming Hame G (800) A study of Buttons - written in Scots [2x04]
Tooth and Claw R (43k - WIP) A re-write of S2 in the world of my Bark and Bite AU. We're in episode 4 territory at the moment.
Lady Luck R (10k - WIP) A re-write of S2 in the world of my Lady Trouble AU. Episodes 1 & 2 have been posted.
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remember-the-hurt · 1 year
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Putting the thread I wrote on Twitter on here so I can reblog it when Tedbecca is endgame💜
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Why Tedbecca IS what the show has been setting up since the beginning:
- “what if I did get on there (Bantr) and I met my soulmate and it changed the whole course of my life?” // “this job you gave me has changed my life”
- REBECCA was (for a brief period of time) supposed to be at Ted’s door in 1x07 but the writers decided that their relationship should be protected and that a one night stand should never happen.
- The parallels in this ep were NOT needed. They could have shown Sassy at Ted’s door and here we go, Ze End. But they WANTED us to think it was Ted.
- Same thing for the cut in 2x05: both fake outs came at a moment when it would have been AWFUL for them to get together. Literally NO Tedbecca shipper wanted them together in S2, please no. Neither of them is ready, it would have been a horrible mess. The editors said that the philosophy in the editing room is “plant and pay off”: the fakeouts are here because Tedbecca IS happening. In writing, you don’t foreshadow things that won’t happen. And the writers ain’t the GoT writers, they’re not here for twists to trick the audience. The cut from Rebecca to Ted in 205 is absolutely criminal but if the writers really wanted to show a platonic relationship, they wouldn’t bother with these kinds of fakeouts: they just wouldn’t show anything that would as much as *imply* T/R could be romantic. But they do, because they want the audience to consider it, and it’s something we can go back to when they kiss. Like “oh yeah, they foreshadowed it TWICE, that’s right.
- The way they *see* each other better than everyone else ?? Rebecca was the only one to notice Ted wasn’t okay in 2x04 and 2x06, Ted arrived at the church right when she needed him... and that’s just 3 examples.
- The parallel scene in 2x10... they are LINKED by something that happened 30 years ago on the same day at the same time. When they didn’t know each other and were on different sides of the Atlantic. Both their lives changed this day: they both lost their fathers. They are SOULMATES. And no, not platonic soulmates, although they ARE just friends now. This is not what this is about here: if they wanted to show us platonic soulmates, they wouldn’t have kept them separate for most of S2. They would have shown them being ✨besties✨. They are NOT best friends. WHY this need for distance? Because they are connected in such a deep way that if they were left alone, they couldn’t hide. They would see right through each other.
- the way Rebecca reacts to seeing Ted in a suit in 104? Ma’am… why even show us that she finds him attractive if it won’t come back? It will come back.
- Ted looking like a kicked puppy after Rebecca leaves his office after the 211 truth bomb…
- They’re not ready for dating in S2: Jason said “if you have some things you need to work on, maybe going to the dating scene isn’t the best place to find it”. None of the relationships they started this season could last.
- We have PLENTY of m/f platonic friendships on the show: Ted/Keeley (which we thought was gonna turn romantic for a brief moment, remember? THAT’s a subverted trope here), Rebecca/Roy, Rebecca/Higgins, Rebecca/Beard... so the argument of “omg let a man and a woman be friends” just doesn’t stand. And anyway, the best romantic relationships start with friendship. It’s literally the most solid foundation you could ever find. You think they’re just gonna find love randomly offscreen? Sorry to tell you but that’s not how screenwriting works.
- Brett RTd this article and said it was “excellent”.
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- One of the producers quoted this Tedbecca fancam with this... of ALL the “lightning” tweets??
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- I love Rebecca with all my heart and I just know that she cannot and will not end up alone. She was in an abusive relationship for 12 years and I don’t believe for one second that the writers would not give her a romantic happy ending. She IS gonna find her lightning, this speech by Roy was not a throwaway moment. She’s been shown as longing for romance and partnership multiple times now. This woman won’t end up alone romantically, and if you think she should you understand neither the show not it’s character.
- Ted and Rebecca’s future partners simply have to be each other: can you imagine dating someone who said someone else was their soulmate? And this someone else saw them better than anyone else ? And this someone brought them homemade biscuits every day? And this someone looked exactly like their celebrity crush?
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- Our beloved creator himself read this excellent thread and liked the winking gif😌
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- thank you Anthony, thank you Han!
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- the men Rebecca dated in S2 all add up to Ted: John is age appropriate and “not shy”, Luca is handsome, and Sam is kind. And they’re all nice to her. Who in the show is age appropriate, handsome, kind, not shy, and nice to her? Ted, Bingo el ringo!
- Finally, the Higginses, who Jeremy said are intentionally the model couple of the show, are paralleled to Tedbecca multiple times.
Ted: “You and the missus, y’all have been together a while yeah?”
Higgins: “28 years” (105)
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Higgins, to Rebecca : “I’ve been married to her for 29 years” (205)
Higgins to Ted: “When you’re with the right person, even the hard times are easy” (105)
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Higgins to Rebecca: “I suppose the best brand is just… being yourself” (205)
In 301, Rebecca mentioned Ted spitting water all over her face with Higgins right there.
Higgins, who met his wife after he spilt his beer all over himself. Enough said!
- I’ll let Brett have the last word:
Interviewer (around S1) : “I never thought that they could be together”
Brett: becomes this emoji😬
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I wish we could go back to the frenemy dynamic portwell had. I feel portwell should've stayed low-key frenemies (basically like homecoming epi) until like 2x05 and then showed them as good friends until the finale in which he shows up for her at the airport. And Gina has the realisation first that he definitely cares for her more than any guy has till date, and EJ being the oblivious buffoon would've not thought twice at helping her out because they're besties, wonderstudies but Gina definitely sees their dynamic shift. And at the same time have rini break up and season 2 should've ended there. Imagine seeing portwell confess in S3 at camp, the whole setting would've been even better. And portwell would've definitely had a great summer. For once the writers could've made them the leads of the play and finally they'd get their showmance and reality align kind of like how rini did in S1. The amount of potential portwell had at being the second chance at love trope gone right. And it all slipped through our fingers. It's like when you're winning a match for most of the game only for you to lose in the last minute.
r*nas dni please!
I liked that they weren't frenemies at the beginning of season 2 because they were both at a point where they had grown so much and were emerging from their "antagonist" era together, and there was something really beautiful about that.
But I do think maybe letting them be more of a slow burn, like ending the season with hope for them happening without any confessions would have been great. If the writers hadn't decided to go with R*na the vibes of portwell at summer camp, both finally getting to be leads together, and having the confession at camp would have been really cute!
i'm torn because i like that we had their risotto date thing and i like the mutual pining they have, but i do think it would have been fun to have drawn out that pining. plus we miss the whole beginning of their relationship with the time jump between seasons, which we wouldn't miss in this instance.
great points anon!!
And it all slipped through our fingers. It's like when you're winning a match for most of the game only for you to lose in the last minute.
yeah *sigh*
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2x05 & down the stretch comes murder commentary (the horse one with jimmy nickles)
SF, Josh Bycel, Jason Berger, uh let's say joby & jabr for their initials since they are both jb
"it was very hard to find lockers in Canada. Idk why they weren't there the next week"
SF's budget of the week: $875
The Z
Borrowing Andy Berman's jeans
Yeah of course you can't call him the r slur. I mean he is a dick so he probably would use it
They had to bury the frog bc they kept bringing it back
ofc he has a cowboy hat & wants a line!
"The palm trees get paid more than James Roday"
*great moment for stu* *great moment for commentary*
It was supposed to be lassiter afraid of horses but then they remembered that he was on a horse in s1
*talking abt JRr's hair*
"It was funny but Kelly cut it out"
Shin splints, torn miniscus, & a plantar's wart "you copied those terms from the glossary of oour health textbook"
"halo stevens british columbia"
bye jason
"Steve Franks kneeling is still six foot three"
Audio shawn vision this is what I've been saying! How do you light up sound?
Since they need to do the shawnvision flashback they need to refilm it & so there are always little differences put on with these performances
*club owned by 50 cent*
"the germans call it a huunch"
"wait a minute we don't need all that stuff on the horse"
"we still continue to write eight page wrap ups"
Dale my beloved "actually 22, just been in the sun too much"
SF: How comfortable was James on that horse? JB: I would say that he was about... as comfortable as george bush would be at a gay pride rally
Huh this was based on Australian Aborigines.
"steve franks bought one that andy berman is going to wear as a nightgown" girl?
JB1: Steve's notes are so weird *reads a long food list* JB2: That is actually steve's lunch which I have to prepare for him every day JB1: & corbin bernsen's phone number
Pizzeria motse? I can't hear
Talking abt food & I am loving it. Ooh cheese.
I forgot the motorbike was black
You think it's over but then...
FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN THIS EPISODE? "our version of jfk"
"they both time travel astral projected"
"his pants are your pants"
& arguing about food again & hoodies as nightgowns
I love listening to them singing at the end here
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Harry: you’ve been shot twice??
Eliot: oh I’ve been shot more than twice
Harry: how many times?
Eliot: …you lose count
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aflawedfashion · 3 months
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Maura & Jane | Rizzoli & Isles 2x05
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madhyanas · 1 year
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on 2x05 of euphoria (still don’t like it) + why r people saying jules is the villain of s2. i don’t get it really like she’s not making great decisions but how is she worse than rue. what
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aclashofcaps · 5 years
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maschotch · 2 years
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maurafreakinisles · 3 years
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"Your dress is about as comfortable as a straitjacket."
"Yeah, and your suit is a real booty-call magnet. I got hit on twice... By women."
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guerins · 3 years
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