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junkfoodcinemas · 11 days

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Predestination (2014) dir. The Spierig Brothers

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maxxxines · 8 months

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SARAH SNOOK in PREDESTINATION (2014) dir. Michael and Peter Spierig

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eternal-gardens · 1 month

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“A servant will never savour the taste of faith until he knows that which afflicts him would never have missed him, and that which has missed him would never have touched him, and that the only One to induce harm or benefit is Allāh, the Mighty and Exalted.” — Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه)

#eternal-gardens #spirituality #faith #decree #predestination #qadr #trust #knowledge #wisdom

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haveyouseenthismovie-poll · 22 days

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#movies #polls #predestination #predestination movie #predestination 2014 #2010s movies #michael spierig #peter spierig #ethan hawke #sarah snook #noah taylor #requested #have you seen this movie poll

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crooked-wasteland · 24 days

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Something I am working on after the live blogs. I came across a very easy to find, but under shared bit of information regarding Medrano that has really recontextualized the show for me. It still isn't a good show, but I missed a crucial component when I said the series had nothing to say. It still doesn't have much to say, but once you realize that Vivienne Medrano was raised Presbyterian, and seems to still adhere to most of those teachings, a lot of decisions make sense. The particular denomination of Christianity is one based on Trinity doctrine, and also strongly adheres to the idea that depicting god is a biblical transgression. So that explains why God and Jesus are not characters within the series and will never be.

Additionally, the Presbyterian Church is one of the few sects that has a relatively strong belief in the Calvinist ideology of Predestination. Specifically that one is born chosen by God or not, which explains pretty much everything in Hazbin. Angels are "winners" because they were born chosen while a random select of unchosen people are damned to hell. Some versions of the Presbyterian Church still hold to the belief that one's lifestyle, be you a good or evil person, is irrelevant. If you are chosen, nothing you do will remove that.

And that is why these characters being in hell doesn't matter. They didn't do anything to get there. They still adhere to Christian beliefs of what sort of people are not chosen (drug addicts, sex workers, mean people), but there is an inherent lack of nuance because the doctrine renders it unnecessary. Adam and Lute are awful and allowed to be in heaven because heaven is forever. Chosen are forever chosen regardless of Sin. It also explains why the LGBT aspect of the show is irrelevant to the plot.

This background knowledge is paramount to understanding Hazbin and Helluva (Hell is like the living world because a mixed bag of people are in Hell in the first place. Hellborn characters are not that different from humans and still exist in a realm of morality because morality isn't the reason they are in Hell).

My issue with trying to get into Hazbin's themes was because I didn't understand this was the origin of the plot. A lot of critiques and proposed rewrites miss the point entirely because Predestination in this sense is not a common belief. The world building requires a relatively intimate understanding of Presbyterian teachings in order to grasp the basic foundation of the story.

#vivziepop critical #vivienne medrano #spindlehorse critical #vivziepop criticism #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critique #tw religious themes #presbyterian #predestination

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olafkardanadam · 2 months

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“Bekleyenlerin başına güzel şeyler gelir derler, bilirsiniz. Ama sadece acelesi olanlar geride bir şeyler bırakır.” dedi. İnanamamıştım.

"Neden herkes istediğini alırken bana hiçbir şey düşmüyor? Sürekli güçlü olmaya çalışmaktan yoruldum."

#“Kim olmuş olabileceğin için asla geç değildir.”#sarah snook #ethan hawke #predestination #kader #mr. robertson #dr. heinlein #the unmarried mother #bayan stapleton #ajan miles #dr. belfort

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ynwa1892 · 1 year

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Ethan Hawke + Letterboxd Reviews

#ethan hawke #ethanhawkeedit #Before Sunrise #gattaca #training day #before the devil knows you're dead #Daybreakers #sinister #Sinister 2012 #the purge #predestination #the magnificent seven #first reformed #movies #gifs #ynwa1892gifs

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pinkieroy · 8 months

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Sarah Snook as The Unmarried Mother in Predestination (2014) dir. The Spierig Brothers

"I stopped looking in the mirror. I hated what I saw. I have no photos of myself as a young girl. I don't even remember what I looked like. It's just more of a feeling now."

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fat-fem-and-asian · 9 months

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most gender time travel movie ever

#predestination #sarah snook #rendering is actually fun in b&w #pls dont actually make me think abt this movie critically i see masc snook and i call it good #again. ignore the neck im begging #big jump in quality between this and girlnate im so sorry baby #my art

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necropolis144 · 1 year

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i think one of the funniest and most annoying things i was taught as a christian is that we have free will wow so cool! but also predestination is a thing and basically that means that before you’re born god decides whether you’ll come to him or not. so you should try to convert as many people as possible but also god already knows which’ll get into heaven. and you have the freedom to choose to follow him except he’s already decided where you’re going after you die.

the predestination shit basically strips you bare of any agency in your own life, it’s confusing and contradictory and probably my least favorite part of the belief system i grew up in because of how fucking stupid it is.

#exvangelical #ex christian #christianity tw #predestination #bible #religion tw #ex religious #religious trauma

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junkfoodcinemas · 2 years

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10 Underrated Sci-Fi Films of the 2010s

Upgrade (2018) dir. Leigh Whannell

Another Earth (2011) dir. Mike Cahill

The Signal (2014) dir. William Eubank

Predestination (2014) dir. The Spierig Brothers

The Frame (2014) dir. Jamin Winans

Oblivion (2013) dir. Joseph Kosinski

Colossal (2017) dir. Nacho Vigalondo

Autómata (2014) dir. Gabe Ibáñez

Europa Report (2013) dir. Sebastián Cordero

Midnight Special (2016) dir. Jeff Nichols

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greater-than-the-sword · 1 year

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Not to poke the beehive, but...

#Christianity #religion #calvinism #arminian #Predestination #free will

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eternal-gardens · 1 year

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Your Command over me (O Allāh) forever prevails, and Your Decree over me is just.

#eternal-gardens #arabic translation #spirituality #islam #الله #decree #predestination

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never-wake-up · 10 days

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Bo Burnham - all eyes on me // Lemony Snicket - horseradish // quicksilvereyes on tumblr // Philip Larkins - This Be The Verse

#webweaves #web weaving #tragedy #fate #predestination #Lemony Snicket #Bo Burnham #philip larkin #this be the verse

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crooked-wasteland · 23 days

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re: Predestination, that is a very interesting angle, but from what I've seen and read it's never told within the story or worldbuilding right? is it a case of a creator thinking their religious upbringing is somewhat universal and therefor never explored in depth within the shows?

The idea of predestination is never explicit in the show, but very passively referenced as if it were a fact of reality. And that either comes from an insular view of religion and thinking her beliefs are, if not universal, at least common enough to be easily identified. Or, what I believe is more likely, it's selfish content of a selfish creator.

Predestination is a debatable topic in Christianity about how common a belief it is. From some search results claiming it is one of the most prevalent cornerstones of Christian belief to being one of the rarest. At the very least, Calvinist doctrine is extremely rare in the modern landscape, almost exclusive to Presbyterianism. Though I should also specify that Presbyterian doctrine is not a united belief. Many who identify under this religion can have widely varied beliefs, but the story of Hazbin Hotel places Medrano's understandings quite heavily in predestination.

One of my biggest critiques on Hazbin's themes was that the idea of "Christian Hypocrisy" was just not there. The whole episode of Welcome to Heaven didn't determine anything aside from "we don't have proof of it being possible". Not that Sera or anyone actually had control over that fact and were somehow keeping sinners out. There isn't even true hypocrisy in Adam and Lute being angels, because while they aren't holy people, the selection of salvation is not up to anyone. The whole point to predestination in Presbyterianism is that it is more fair that way. People are chosen to heaven before they even begin their lives and everything they do in life, God was aware they would do them when he chose them regardless. No one, then, is being hypocritical, and Medrano seems to know this in how she calls human angels "Winners" like of a lottery. And lotteries are considered the most unbiased means of selecting people for anything. It isn't based on you being a good person, or a bad one. The system itself is merely uncaring, and in that apathy levies justice and salvation in equal measure.

And because she never explicitly acknowledged her beliefs of predestination, Sir Pentious becoming an angel at the end is the closest to criticism of religion that we get. Basically, "I think people who aren't chosen should have the opportunity to work for it." Which is ironically less fair when analyzed objectively. Some people get in no matter what, while others have to essentially slave away to receive the same thing.

Most religions have an emphasis on redemption through life. Calvinism itself was designed with the goal in mind that people didn't focus their lives on their deaths, but on the actual gift of living. If you're chosen you have faith, it's the chicken and the egg scenario. Most religions put faith as the act that saves, whereas Presbyterianism says that having faith is the sign that you are saved.

In the one way she adds a layer of depth to her series, Medrano simply reinvents the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory.

#vivziepop critical #vivienne medrano #vivziepop #vivziepop criticism #hazbin hotel #hazbin critique #hazbin critical #presbyterian #predestination #purgatory #anon ask

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leighlew3 · 10 months

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I just watched Predestination with Sarah Snook and Ethan Hawke.

First, her performance was insane. So good. She is literally incredible.

Secondly, I’m… freaked out. And my head hurts.

So intersex Jane (played by Sarah Snook) transitions to John (played by Sarah Snook), travels back in time and sleeps with/falls in love with their former Jane self, impregnating her with — herself? Who becomes a time travel agent turned terrorist after burn surgery (played by Ethan Hawke), who keeps looping back in time to set all of this in motion again, and again, only to realize it’s him all along who is the bomber terrorist he’s been out to stop… he is her, she is him, they are they, it’s basically somebody living a tragic life in loop as a woman, then a man, then falling in love with themselves, impregnated themselves, giving birth to themselves, stealing themselves as a baby to set it in motion and loop again… and this loops forever, as John always ultimate realizes he’s the terrorist, but as his older self told him by killing his older self, it just keeps the loop going… forever…? “The snake eating its own tail”… I…

I think this movie broke my brain.

#predestination #sarah snook #ethan hawke #wtf

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