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If Sylki is endgame, I will be so disappointed…
Not just that I personally see their dynamic as siblings-like. But more because she is so toxic with him and I really hope he would not end up in a relationship with her…
Just the bar scene, when he pours his heart out and tells that he doesn’t want to be alone. And she is just “well, see you are also selfish” and then she leaves him to “write his own story” a moment after she basically made him confess his fears of abandonment…
I don’t really think we will get Lokius at the end, but just imagine the same conversation if it was Mobius instead.
Not even going out of character and assuming romantic subtext. Just as Mobius really is in the show, he would definitely reassure Loki that he is not alone and that he will stay by his side no matter what. And he wouldn’t accuse him of being selfish, because he is afraid to be alone…
I just see how every time Loki is being genuine with Sylvie she replies with cruelty. If they make it endgame it will just show people that it is okay to to hurt your loved once to feel better…
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lokihiddleston · 5 months
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I’m curious as to why you ship Sylki? Like not in an angry way, more of a just curious.
personally I don’t, because it a. selfcest, which personally not my thing, and b. It feels like Sylvie’s part in the story isn’t meant as a romantic outlet anymore. From what I’ve seen has made it seem like instead of it becoming romantic, could start becoming more of a sibling like relationship. Sylvie helps Loki to love a part of himself, and it’s a good thing.
That scene in s2.Ep5 kind of solidifies that. It’s clear that it’s not romantic, even if Loki is interested, Sylvie is very invested in her life on the timeline. She’s loving her ordinary life on the timeline. And that’s okay.
It’s starting to focus on Loki and Mobius’s relationship because that is main and central to the story.
Again this isn’t me angry or “SHIP THIS OR ELSE!” It’s me being genuinely curious as I don’t understand.
Sorry but I won't take the time to explain why as soon as I read "selfcest".
“She’s loving her ordinary life on the timeline.” She is sad all the time and literally cries after the bar scene…
And just the “It’s starting to focus on Loki and Mobius’s relationship because that’s the main and central to the story.”
This is absolutely not the case. Loki and Sylvie's relationship is the foundation of this series. It's what makes Loki change since the beginning. Whatever if Mobius and Loki have more scenes in season two. Even though Mobius has become his friend (yes, there's nothing between them), it's Sylvie who has had a very strong role for Loki. Still right now like the last scene where he controls time.
All I'm going to add is read this reply which explains that this is not selfcest AND this excerpt from the official season one book which explains that they are different beings.
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Obviously, I am very tense about the Loki finale tonight, so this post may not age well, but I just have to say this.
The kiss in the season 1 finale was super weird. Not just because it was some strange version of selfcest, but because there was no real chemistry there. It genuinely felt like Sylvie's last-ditch effort to distract/confuse Loki enough to achieve her goal of killing He Who Remains. And that is exactly what that was. She kissed him, he looked completely defeated during said kiss, and then she kicked him through a time door, killed Kang, and then went about her life.
She did not look at all pleased to see Loki again, and there has been no spark of anything between them the entire season. Even when they join hands to use their magic, it looks like siblings. THEY READ LIKE SIBLINGS. There really hasn't been any effort put into developing their chemistry or connection romantically. Even in their most recent interaction at the bar, Sylvie is playing the detached therapist, trying to guide Loki into admitting what he already knows, the true "why" behind his mission, and it isn't her. She even explicitly defines that she has her own story and path and advises him to write his own. Separately.
Now all of this is a long way of saying that, if they move forward and push Sylkie on us at the eleventh hour, I won't be angry because it's not my ship, I will be angry because they did absolutely nothing to grow it, to nurture it, to have it make any real narrative sense.
Yes, this is Tumblr, and we all love a good gay ship (because we are sad and gay and starved for representation), but Loki and Mobius actually make narrative sense. Not only do they each represent the other's turning point and catalyst for growth and change, but they are also two characters that have developed into something together. Their evolution is incredible, and we have been given scenes all season that parallel their growth, in the way Mobius doesn't hesitate to trust Loki, how he embraces Loki's mischief, how Loki comes back to Mobius again and again, defends him, comforts him. They have actively built the framework for Lokius, even heavily implying that Mobius is the "who" that guides Loki's time slipping.
However they choose to manifest Loki and Mobius' relationship, if they leave it ambiguous, if it's queer-platonic, if it's whatever, they at the very least need to make it abundantly clear that THIS is the fundamental relationship. Their bond is the heart of the show.
Loki needs to love Sylvie because he needs to be able to love and embrace himself as he is, all of his strengths, and all of his weaknesses. Sylvie, who is still so impulsive and bent on revenge, is an excellent opportunity for him to see where he came from and love her anyway. But we've seen him face her impulsive violence, and instead of him meeting her there and joining in, we saw him become calm and compassionate - we saw how Mobius had helped him to grow. We need Loki and Sylvie to love each other, because that is how they are going to heal, it's how they aren't going to lose. But it's self-acceptance, it's the love you have to have before you can truly love someone else, and I think given Loki's long arc as a character, we need to see him beak out of his narcissism, move beyond just loving himself, and truly love someone else.
They more than paved the way for Mobius and Loki, and if they through that away for Sylkie, it won't just be sinking a perfectly good ship, it would be horrifically ignorant, wasteful storytelling. And this is the God of Stories, so if you fuck this up... I mean. Just don't okay?
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I Rewatched Loki for Reasons
I rewatched the entirety of the Loki show, because I have a week of an unpaid break for Thanksgiving. I did this for a reason, and not just because I have no life (though that’s part of it). You will discover this (rather unhinged) reason tomorrow. Today, we’re gonna talk about things I missed, because I don’t know how to write a retrospective and Google didn’t help me, so this is the best I can do. So enjoy! (Spoilers for all of Loki)
Season 1, Episode 1
The very first time we see Mobius he stops a hunter from pruning a child. And then he’s kind to the child. We see his personality and we also see something that becomes a recurring theme in the series: he has a soft spot for children.
The “scared little boy shivering in the cold” line (which is actually the option of Mobius’s motivation Loki takes as the truth, and also the one I accept).
His sons (I have a problem with how he acts at work about them, but every other time he talks about them or interacts with them he does show he cares about them)
The boy at the Black Sea he couldn’t prune 
The fact that a Loki specialist is noticeably absent from an arrest of a Loki when his partner leads the charge, so he should have been there (Sylvie’s arrest)
Still annoyed Loki didn’t correct Mobius in the finale when Mobius credited Renslayer for getting Loki off. He tells Mobius in 2x05 that Mobius saved his life. I think even though it’s the end, even though Mobius isn’t gonna remember this interaction, it would’ve been important to Loki that he knows that he did that, not Renslayer. Loki remembers everything, Loki remembers how that went down, he knows it was Mobius and has already told Mobius so once. He would do it again. 
I think this changes in episode 2, but Mobius never uses pronouns for Sylvie. Other hunters and Loki assume he/him, but Mobius only refers to Sylvie as a Loki variant.
Season 1, Episode 2
Damn, okay, keep showing off that eidetic memory, Loki.
C’mon Mobius, why did you have to immediately start assuming male pronouns for Sylvie like everyone else? I liked that you didn’t do that in the last episode.
Loki talks about getting his magic back this episode, and then uses it twice: to dry himself and to summon something to use as a weapon: Weak.
Season 1, Episode 3
Loki and Sylvie have got such great sibling rivalry energy. I love every time they interact when I’m not scared they’re gonna kiss.
I maintain that the expression Loki makes and his noncommittal grunt in answer to Sylvie’s “real” implies that there was something, however brief, that felt real to him or that he wanted to be real. Given we never see any relationships in the movies, and that Where Mischief Lies is supposed to be a prequel to the MCU, I still think he thinks of Theo here (and maybe even Amora).
Why did Loki get drunk on the train? Sylvie makes him talk about his mom, whom he hasn’t seen in over a year. He remembers Mobius telling him that he causes her death, and that he can never see her again anyway. He was reminded of Theo, so he’s also got that centuries-old guilt rattling around in his brain again, and he’s starting to think he might be falling for himself which is insane for so many reasons. And he’s just got done being tortured for a year, so he’s not exactly in the best headspace to work through any emotions in a healthy manner.
Season 1, Episode 4
The hair flips are way more extensive than I remember them.
Season 1, Episode 5
Wait, so Renslayer doesn’t remember He Who Remains, she didn’t know the Timekeepers were fake, she doesn’t know she’s a variant, but she knows about the void? Did Mobius know about the void? So even though pruning hurt, he knew he wasn’t being killed?
Thunder rumbles in the void, and Loki looks up again. He’s still looking for Thor.
Kid Loki: “Whenever one of us dares try to fix themselves they’re sent here to die.” You didn’t kill Thor. Not a fucking chance. I was right!!
They literally said Loki knows enchantment magic when they enchant Alioth. “Because we’re the same,” Sylvie says. So why the fuck does Loki never have a chance to do it himself in season 2?
Season 1, Episode 6
Mobius was pruned before they found out the Timekeepers were fake (and I’m watching this episode about 18 hours after the last and I don’t have an eidetic memory like Loki, so forgive me if I’ve forgotten something), and we don’t see Mobius and Sylvie talk about that in the car, nor do Sylvie and Loki fill him in on that after so Mobius and Sylvie must have talked off screen. What else did they talk about???
The interaction between Renslayer and Mobius in this episode carries such a different weight knowing the mission that eventually took both of them off the beat cop path and more or less out of the field.
So no one told me to stop talking about biblical imagery, but for some reason I’m trying to resist. But sorry I can’t help myself, even though this was probably pointed out by countless analyzers when it came out two years ago. He Who Remains keeps tongue in cheek referring to himself as the devil, and then he first shows up eating a fucking apple, which has been primarily accepted as the Forbidden Fruit (it isn’t really. In the Bible it isn’t specified which fruit it is).
So Sylvie was right, in a way. He Who Remains is lying here. He knows this isn’t the end when she kills him, though he never actually plans for Timely to replace him like we speculated. Timely was just meant to be the tool to get Loki back to this moment, to (by He Who Remains’s hope) kill Sylvie and save him, so he can survive to control the timeline another day. He also manages to predict how the series ends, by proposing that Loki (and Sylvie) take over for him. He certainly doesn’t intend for Loki to go about it the way that he does, I don’t think, but he’s essentially not wrong. Loki does take over custodianship of the timeline(s) after He Who Remains.
At this point, I’m with Sylvie, I think the “threshold” is bullshit. I think what people figured out about it coinciding with WandaVision (and I don’t know if Marvel commented on that since) is legit, but I think he uses it as an excuse. He knows Sylvie is gonna try to kill him and Loki is gonna try to stop her and Sylvie is gonna use the TemPad to send him away. He places the TemPad in the perfect location for her to use, under the guise of doing it to symbolize offering them the mantle. But it’s a ruse. It’s where Sylvie can reach it to send Loki away. I think when she says he’s lying she’s also referring to him doing this to hold off his variants and another multiversal war, and in that respect I think she’s wrong. I mean, we’ve essentially gotten proof that she’s wrong. But he does know what’s happening.
And that’s the image and Mobius’s parting words they left us with for 2 fucking years.
Season 2, Episode 1
I still don’t understand why it never gets explained how OB remembers meeting Loki in the past but Mobius, Casey, and Verity (I will never let this Easter egg about B-15’s backstory go) don’t.
I’m coming off of season 1 (obviously) and before that, two watches of episode 6. I forgot how fucking painful the slipping is for him in this episode. Loki screams in agony every fucking time. Jesus.
Like, I know I’m a fool. But Mobius already thinks he’s into Sylvie, so he wouldn’t be that shocked to hear they kissed. So why does Loki just skip over that detail? Could it be that even in his frantic sense of panic, Loki knows that if he mentions a kiss it’ll completely derail Mobius and he’ll never let it go?
The end of this episode, with Loki almost being separated and Mobius being able to do nothing about it is such painful foreshadowing UGH.
Season 2, Episode 2
Why does Loki always insist on popping his collar? Mobius didn’t teach him that. Why does he think that’s cool/obnoxious? Did Mobius make an annoyed comment offscreen in season 1 and now he just does it to annoy him on purpose?
Season 2, Episode 3
I love this version of the show theme, slower and deeper.
Season 2, Episode 4
I want more clever teamwork with magic from Sylvie and Loki like when they jump Brad. Every time I watch it it makes me giddy. 
In episode 6, when Loki tells Timely what to do, he does all of OB’s gestures exactly the same. Can someone please just state outright that my boi has an eidetic memory already? 
Season 2, Episode 5
Loki steps into the door of Piranha Powersports (and he’s already seen Mobius/Don through the window, so he knows he’s here), takes one look at Mobius/Don, hears two words in his voice, and even though the camera is across the room, you can see the actual sigh of relief he lets out. Mobius is here, he’s finally back with Mobius, Mobius is okay, everything is all right now. 
OB wants to quit teaching and write full time. The! Dream! (I mean, I haven’t had an idea for original characters since I was in college and I don’t have the patience to write anything longer than 3k words most of the time, but still. Fucking ideal)
Me: I love how Loki is always so calm and patient with OB.
Meanwhile, Loki: *strongly considers zapping OB back after they do it to him to try to jumpstart the time slipping*
Also OB, Loki is used to getting electrocuted. I bet that barely hurt, like how getting shanked is just a Tuesday afternoon for Thor at this point.
Did I start crying when he said “I can rewrite the story,” even though I’ve seen this episode 3 times now? Maybe.
Season 2, Episode 6
No! Why the fuck is the next episode screen the shot of Mobius and Sylvie looking through the door in horror as Loki steps out towards the Loom?! That’s not fucking fair! It’s fucking upsetting is what it is.
Has anyone stopped to wonder why this launcher even exists at the end of the gangway? Or why there’s a gangway out to the loom to begin with? I’m not even talking about the fact that the loom was always meant to explode if it got overloaded and reset the TVA. I mean even before they learned that, there was never supposed to be more than one timeline passing through the loom anyway. The branches were always meant to be pruned well before it got to this point. 
Why yes, “Ascension” did make me cry again. I blame Hiddleston for introducing me to redemptive arcs in classical pieces. Because this track has it and that’s the moment I start sobbing. 
If you’re still here, thank you. I can’t believe I still have thoughts about this series. I will leave you with this.
Favorite Episodes
Season 1: Episode 5: Journey Into Mystery 
Season 2: Episode 3: 1893
And I will see you tomorrow for some unhinged shit which was the real reason I watched the whole show again. Maybe strap in now? 
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sserpente · 6 months
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Let’s talk about Loki | S2 Episode 2! 😍
*takes a deep breath* HEAVY SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 2 OF LOKI!
Is it just me or is it hot in here? Not just me? Oh, good. I mean, honestly… that shadow scene was fan service. And trust me when I say that this will continue to make appearances in my future Imagines. Good gods… that suit and those green glowing eyes? Um, yes, please?! 🥵
Well… and on that note—you don’t mess with Loki. I told you X5 or Braaad (you got to say his name like you’re drunk) was gonna be trouble. Still hate him. He’s the type of douchebag who has no purpose when being bad. Blergh. He deserved Loki’s mischief. Also, can we please talk about how Loki was towering over him? That dark, purry and slow voice?! It would have worked on me… or I would have pounced on him and kissed him senseless… one of the two. Probably both at the same time.
Now I can also, finally, say what I’ve been meaning to say since last week but I couldn’t because of spoilers—I am so FREAKING MAD at Sylvie! Look… I know that in her mind, it was Loki who messed up. She thought he was gonna help her kill He Who Remains and he didn’t. Okay, fair enough. But it baffles me how she seems to think that Loki screwed things up when she was the literal cause of all this chaos and the one who kissed him and then dumped him through a time door. Literally and figuratively.
The fact that she thinks she’s happy… working at a McDonald’s on a branched timeline in the 80s… please. She finally has freedom and she’s doing this out of spite but this isn’t the life she truly wants, we all know that. I think she’s overwhelmed and she doesn’t know what to do with her feelings now that she’s killed He Who Remains. It didn’t give her the type of satisfaction that she wanted and if you think about it, she made it her life mission to bring down the TVA. Now that that’s done, more or less (she did realise after all that all those branches mean the TVA won’t go away properly) she’s a bit clueless and it shows. She’s gonna have to come around of course eventually… I mean, plot and story progression, after all, buuuut still—she’s gonna have to make up big time if she wants me to forgive her. She hurt him. That’s practically unforgivable. And on that note, I know there are Sylki shippers here reading this but every time I see these two together, they give me sibling energy. Soooorry, I can’t help it! 😂
So now the branched timelines are gone—for now, leaving only the Sacred Timeline, more or less—for now. There’s gonna be new branches again, of course. Something came to my mind the second time I watched it today though… didn’t they say in Season 1 that once a timeline reaches the red line, it can no longer be controlled by the TVA? Did I miss something here, was that a lie made up by He Who Remains so they’d take care of branched timelines as soon as possible? Because if it was true then how did they prune those timelines? Almost all of them were way past the red line! Or maybe this will have different types of consequences later on? Who knows!
That key lime pie tastes as good as it looks, by the way. So let’s talk about Loki’s and Mobius’ conversation while they were having a slice. I already read a few comments today and saw that a lot of people were missing the fact that Loki failed to mention that he was mind-controlled by Thanos when he attacked New York. I agree—it could have been thematised more but then again… I still think it was. Hear me out:
We know that the sceptre was influencing Loki—but not in the way he was using it to influence others. The sceptre/mind stone brought out the worst of Loki’s emotions and intensified them—in this case, his anger at his father and his brother (which he mentioned) and which is what Thanos used to manipulate him, promising him the “throne of Midgard” etc. It was a slippery bargain of course, because The Other was watching Loki and making sure he upheld his end of this bargain, or else Thanos would kill him. After all, why did he strike a bargain with that purple grape in the first place? He was hurled through space when he fell from the Bifrost. Remember? “I remember you tossing me into an abyss, I who was and should be king!”
So… yes, Loki was manipulated and mind-controlled by Thanos, we already knew that, of course, and personally, I think it’s still so traumatising for him to think, let alone talk about it that he would rather focus on his anger that caused all of this. If Loki was the honourable hero character (who we don’t need him to be anyways) he probably would have let Thanos kill him no matter what he offered. Maybe he wouldn’t have talked his way out of it with a bargain that meant the cost of many innocent lives. Instead, he let his anger drive him and Thanos used that to his advantage. That’s my ten pence on it!
From now on, I’m as in the dark as you guys. No clue what’s gonna happen in Episode 3 but I reckon we’re gonna meet Renslayer again. Let’s give her a good slap in the face when we do, shall we?
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pennytoffee · 1 year
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Hello, my wonderful people! I’m new to writing on tumblr. Here is just a list of things that I can write for, if requested. (Which probably is not likely, but okay-) As I write on Tumblr, I will add any new works to this post.
Anime
Demon Slayer
Tanjiro
Zenitsu
Inosuke
Rengoku
Hashira with an Older-Sibling Figure Pt. 1
Shinobu
Hashira with an Older-Sibling Figure Pt. 1
Tengen
Hashira with an Older-Sibling Figure Pt. 1
My Hero/Boku no Hero Academia
Any of the 1-A students
How you spend the weekend with them Pt. 1
Aizawa
Present Mic
Midnight
Hawks
Any LoV members
Ouran High School Host Club
Any Host Club member
Haikyuu!!
Kuroo
Oikawa
Hinata
Kageyama
Kenma
(More will be added to this category at a later date.)
Marvel
Tony Stark
Bruce Banner
Steve Rogers
Bucky Barnes
Peggy Carter
Loki/Sylvie
Thor
Wanda Maximoff
Vision
Natasha Romanoff
Yelena
Peter Q.
Peter P. (Rami/Garfield/MCU)
Basically, for this category, ask and you’ll more than likely receive.
Stranger Things
Eddie Munson
Steve Harrington
Nancy Wheeler
Mike Wheeler
Robin Buckley
Jonathan Byers
Will Byers
Max Mayfield
Dustin Henderson
Lucas Sinclair
At the moment, I will not write smut or angst. However, I wil write fluff, drabbles, headcanons, slow burn, etc. I am perfectly fine with male, female, and or gender neutral/non-binary reader. Also, I will only write adult/child (example: Aizawa x Student Reader) if it is platonic.
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Sylvie, have you met Hela? You've got a sister!
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“A sister?” This news is surprising. All the Lokis she has ever met have only had Thor as a sibling, including herself. She’s instantly curious and tries to dig for more information.
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“Okay, I’ll bite. Who is this Hela? And…what is she like?”
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zer0expektation · 1 year
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I rewatched Loki (and got progressively angrier), here are the highlights:
(featuring my queer analysis/rewrites hehe)
Episode 1
22:03 - “if looks could kill” Mobius ab and to Loki
22:05 - “What do you want from me?” “Well, let's start with a little cooperation.” “Not my forte” “really? Even when you’re wooing someone powerful you intend to betray? Come on.” Mobius and Loki - GAY
24:35 - “I am smart.” “I know.” “okay…” “.. okay” actual weirdos
Episode 2
5:13 - Loki ‘reading’ Mobius’s jet ski magazine hehehehe
14:03 - “Look, I know you have a soft spot for broken things.” Ravonna to Mobius as he talks about why he should be allowed to keep Loki alive
16:30 - Loki adjusting Mobius’s tie as he talks about how ‘adorable’ it is that Mobius thinks he can manipulate him, because hes a freak
24:34 - “Loki, i've studied almost every moment of your entire life” Mobius literally what is with you
24:53 - Pompeii scene my beloved
Episode 3
7:16 - “don't ever call me that” “Tech savvy?” “no, a Loki.” Sylvie and Loki silly funny sibling behaviour
22:15 - “You’re a prince. Must’ve been would-be-princesses or perhaps, another prince.” “A bit of both. I suspect the same as you.” ah the beloathed line that haunts my nightmares
31:28 - “y’know, i feel like i've told you so much about me, i really don't know the first thing about you.” yeah ‘cause there is LITERALLY NOTHING TO LEARN ABOUT HER Sylvie is so badly written it actually kills me
Episode 4
7:26 - “like me being born the Goddess of Mischief” - Sylvie is arrested by the TVA for having been born a girl, and presumably that later meaning that if she wanted to she could become a Valkyrie if she wanted to - which i'm fairly certain it's mentioned that Loki wanted to be a Valkyrie when he was younger. This is actually so fucking stupid. The file on our Loki variant states that they were born with a “fluid” sex (whatever the fuck that means), and we are to assume that a lot of parts of variants are intrinsically the same between each other, so you’d assume that Sylvie would also be born with a “fluid” sex
10:07 - Loki and Sylvie are finally bonding by discussing what “makes a Loki a Loki” and Loki insisting that its their collective ability to survive - of course they have to be fucking weird about it which causes a Nexus event, because plot i guess
11:00 - i hate that we don't get to actually see Loki and Sylvie get picked up
12:39 - isn't it a little fun, a little silly, that the bad memory Loki is stuck in is Sif saying “I hope you know you deserve to be alone and you always will be”
17:17 - it's interesting however that it doesn't really hit for Loki until after hes admitted that he does things for attention because he's scared of being alone - BUT i don't like that that is probably reason that the writers had for him falling for Sylvie, him thinking that because she is like him that she has similar fears and thus wouldn't do something to lose that companionship, rather instead it would have been interesting in its use to how Loki has inexplicably grown attached to Mobius of all people (especially because it is immediately followed by Mobius coming in)
15:27 - “aren’t you supposed to be interrogating your variant pet?” r15 to Mobius
19:11 - “I'm going to miss these little tete-a-tetes.” “Me too.” mocking from Mobius, a bit more genuine from Loki
20:59 - “you like her.” Mobius to Loki about Sylvie - im going to kill myself
22:14 - “your female self” good god im going to drown myself its so bad - neither Loki nor Sylvie should be considered a male or female version of the other, because they are both NEITHER male or female, they are both “fluid” in sex - the writers clearly did not know, nor give a fuck about the queerness of Loki and the character it actually makes me want to tear my own head off
34:26 - okok, i think it's fun and a little silly that Loki has a big reaction to Mobius being pruned, one that's harder for him to conceal than the one when he's told that Sylvie’s been pruned - but also, a bit nitpicky here i know, it's really dumb that he's just standing there, he doesn't even try to reach out to Mobius to move him out of the way or anything
41:18 - the “No, i have to tell you something” & “back on lamentis…. This is new for me.” & grabbing Sylvie’s shoulders - clearly supposed to set up the idea that Loki has some-fucking-how fallen for Sylvie (which is dumb as even worse written than most straight relationships) and wants to tell her now? For some reason? HOWEVER, it could have so easily been (and would have been better) instead, him trying to tell her that he trusts her and sees her as a partner in crime and a friend. Because that's the whole thing, right? Loki is scared of being alone, and yet doesn't do friends, and doesn't do partners, because he knows that he will always be alone anyways. The nexus event is him finding solace in the fact that he will die beside a friend rather than alone like he's always known he would. But nooo selfcest is definitely better than meaningful friendships, why dont you fucking kill me for thinking otherwise. Anyways he gets pruned here anyways so L Loki, fucking loser.
Episode 5
Unrelated but where the hell did the Lokis get their clothes - like, i get Sylvie because shes been fucking off all over the timeline for a long time, but everyone in the void? Why do they have their clothes
Again it seriously kills me that Sylvie has no character - no likes, no goals outside of destroying the TVA, no self-reflection, she's the woman character that is smarter and cooler than her male counterparts because they need to be looked after in order to not be killed
Another note on this, we can get a vague idea of what Loki will want when everything is over - he jokes about wanting to rule an entire universe/timeline, but in reality everyone knows he will just want to go somewhere where he's cared about and seen as equal, somewhere where he won't be alone - but we don't know what Sylvie will want, we cant even conceive an idea, because all we know is that she wants the TVA and whoever controls it gone, and we can assume that she wanted to be a valkyrie when she was little, but we know literally nothing else about her, so we have to assume either her and Loki are going to figure out their paths together, or that she will go off to figure it out on her own and we won't hear or see her again until she has a dumb cameo I think i would respect how little we know about Sylvie if it were a “i've spent so much of my life surviving and fixated on this one thing that i haven't had time to figure out who i am as a person and what i like and what i want after its all over”, but we never get anything like this, at least in any kind of depth that would make it good The Strong Woman trope is what I was looking for
16:04 - “Have any of you met a woman variant of us?” “Sounds terrifying.” i'm going to bash my head against the wall until my brains are crawling out the other side
Whoo president Loki, aka the only version of Loki selfcest i can stand behind, because at least commit to the bit if you're gonna do it
The one black Loki is the overly aggressive one that betrays everyone first, because what else should we expect from hollywood. Fucks sake
I do adore that the Lokis have so easily adopted Mobius within their little group and how good he is at understanding all of them
30:18 - “Mobius isn't so bad” “or so good. I think that's why we get along.” “he cares about you” Sylvie and Loki 
okay, I'm not saying that they should have made Mobius the love interest, however I absolutely am saying that. I personally think that would be far more compelling than the selfcest plot, it wouldn't be out of nowhere like i'm sure some may argue because so much of this show was spent on showing that Mobius is the only person that's been able to truly understand Loki and get a good read on them and Loki views him as a friend despite it all, on the other hand i think the selfcest plotline is absolutely out of nowhere, but its not viewed as such because its portrayed as straight and thus expected, they have little to no romantic chemistry, they have had very very very few scenes where they are interacting positively with each other that aren't surrounded with the fact that they are working together because they have the same goal and are trying to survive and most of those interactions are sandwiched between arguing.  I just think this scene could have easily been about Loki acknowledging that he cares about Mobius in a way that he doesn't think he has anyone else before, Sylvie could make a call back to her mailman, and then Loki can go quiet and amongst that have the blanket thing w/o the strange glances and awkward pauses and then they can discuss betrayal and what they want to do once everything is all over
31:48 - “i dont have friends. I don't have… anyone.” Sylvie - well now you do because thats all that this will be right? :D ← the face of denial
36:47 - “looks like you got away in the end” Mobius to Loki - you are a homosexual
37:09 - the lokius hug & Loki’s face before it
40:48 - “I don't know how” “you do, because we’re the same.” Loki and Sylvie - well you dont fucking say! Gee golly! Who woulda thunk it? Certainly not me, Mr. sylkie-is-selfcest-no-matter-how-you-twist-it. Good god I hate this stupid show.
Episode 6
I hate this show so so much, but i do really like when the silly mascot character that is kind of overlooked as comedic relief turns out to be a vessel for the villain, or at least are more sinister than they first seemed and they just become kind of uncanny and unsettling 
I also really like immortal characters that have been alive for so long that they are truly exhilarated by their end
33:45 - Loki having a “no stop, this isn't you ;(” moment is so funny
34:56 - the grossest moment of the show. Selfcest, ladies and gentlemen!
35:12 - i feel like it is very important to note that sylvie saying “but i'm not you” here, is NOT her denying that her and Loki are the same, just that the experience and feeling that Loki is expressing is not shared
39:49 - “Who are you? What's your name?” Mobius to Loki - sobs it's so upsetting i can't do this - imagine how much more tragic this scene would've been if Mobius was set up as the love interest shm my head stupid fucking show
End :))))
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the-mcu-is-amazing · 3 years
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MCU fans: okay so it would be nice if Loki had some self love ya know, he’s been through enough
Marvel: okay so we’ll create room for a ship between themself and a very different but still a version of themself.
MCU fans: …
MCU fans: wait a minute…
In this household we stan Lokius and love a SIBLING LIKE dynamic between Loki and Sylvie
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whogirl42 · 3 years
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Not a Sylki shipper, but can we talk about That Scene?
Like I'm a Lokius shipper and from the first minute of 1x03 I was calling Loki and Sylvie the chaos twins, but I know how to read when a scene is building up to a romantic moment. It's obvious. The camera movement, the music, the acting- it's pretty clear. So when Loki started saying "All I want" I sort of rolled my eyes and waited for him to say some cliche "All I want is you" bullshit.
But he didn't
Instead, what did he say? "All I want is for you to be okay."
Which is just...
That's selfless love. Pure, selfless love. He's not thinking about himself even though he is because she's technically him and so this qualifies as him finally finding self-love but that's for another post or about what he wants. He's not trying to "win" or "gain" her. He just wants her to be okay. Which is the most selfless kind of love there is.
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hellveticabold · 3 years
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This Man Deserves Better Fans
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Being an admirer of both the Loki show and Tom Hiddleston as an actor, I get exposed to some hot takes from fellow ‘fans’ complaining about the series.  
I don’t understand how folks can claim to be a fan of someone and then actively create false narratives to disparage that person’s work, but it seems to happen a lot here. 
One instance from today is a post (with hundreds of likes) which alleges that the executives on the show actually had to remind the writers to focus on Loki. The poster then goes on to expound on how terrible the show must be because of how ‘concerning’ it is that the writers needed to be told time and time again that Loki should be the focus.
Sounds terrible right? 
“What awful writers!” chant the comments. “How disgusting!” they cry. “That’s why the show is terrible!” they howl.
But it’s not the truth...
The OP posted this screen shot from head writer Eric Martin as evidence of their claim:
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That’s right, everyone. Can you believe it?
Those idiot writers had the sheer ignorant, awful, audacity to try focus more on Sylvie...
...in one episode. 
Incredible. 
I hate to break it to Tom Hiddleston ‘fans,’ but the writers wanting to provide more background on the secondary protagonist is not cause for an fan revolt. It’s actually good writing.
(Personally, I would have loved to have seen more about Sylvie’s backstory. Is she also a frost giant? Is her mother actually a good version of Hela? Did she have siblings? etc.)
But then again, that would be putting more focus on a female character. And folks here don’t seem to like that at all.
Seriously. Do you think these same angry fans would make these complaints if the show gave us more of Mobius’s backstory? Or would they be begging for even more mustache time? What about a cameo from Thor? Would they be okay with giving men (and potential male love interests) more screen time? I think we already know the answer to that.
When folks choose to retroactively hate a show because they don’t like a female character, there’s no winning with them.
Reduce Sylvie’s story time and 'fans’ hate her for being a bland love interest
Increase her story time and they hate her for taking the focus off of Loki
Make her strong and she’s a Mary Sue
Make her vulnerable and she’s dead weight
They don’t seem to realize that they are twisting the truth to actively and vocally trash the hard work of a real human being they claim to support. Sorry not sorry, but:
Tom was fundamental in creating the show and completely on-board for the way his show turned out. 
Like the romance or hate it; it was Tom’s idea. He’s wanted a love story with the Enchantress since at least 2013:
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He is an executive producer and was instrumental in getting the show made and getting the series to focus on his romance with the Enchantress. He literally conducted hours-long lectures for the writers and other actors about his vision for his own character, and molded and shaped the story and characters from the very beginning.
How do I know? 
Because unlike the single time he joked that the show only took 5% of his ideas, he’s consistently talked about how he enjoyed having so much say in his character and the show. Like this from Tumblr:
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If you didn’t like how much Sylvie or romance features in the show, I have some terrible news for you: 
The man you claim to admire and support -Tom Hiddleston- he succeeded in making his dreams for his character come true. I hate to be the one to tell you that all of his hard work shaping the show paid off and Loki is the highest rated and most acclaimed Marvel series ever. And please accept my condolences on the fact that Tom’s already excitedly planning out the second season...
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...and it’s gonna be full of Sylvie:
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In all seriousness, if you really are a fan of Tom Hiddleston, you should at least be happy for him and let his work speak for itself. 
His portrayal of the character is so compelling that he’s been brought back from the dead three times. He’s so good at it that he got his own show! He was finally able to have the on-screen romance that he’s dreamed of for almost a decade! He got to fundamentally shape his own series, and that series is the most viewed and highest rated Marvel show ever made! 
He’s had incomparable success with Loki! You should be proud of him! Happy for him! Thrilled for him! 
Instead, you’re dreaming up false narratives to trash on the series and actively disparaging the culmination of a decade’s worth of Tom’s passion and hard work.  
I’m not saying you have to love the show, but just because the story didn’t turn out exactly how you want doesn’t mean it’s bad. There are valid criticisms about the series and about any piece of media.
But spreading deceitful, derogatory rubbish about an artist’s work is terrible behavior for someone who calls themselves a fan.
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omegas-spaghettios · 2 years
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Okay We Need to Talk About Variants
No Way Home Spoilers
I am NOT participating in Loki/Sylvie discourse here. I don't particularly care where you fall on the line with it. I don't love it just because I don't think it services either character, but I digress.
People have created this idea that variants have the same exact DNA. Why? This is never stated to be the case, people just decided that this was a rule in the multiverse when it was never actually stated and there is clear evidence that variants CAN differ in DNA.
Now, SOMETIMES variants clearly have the same DNA. Look at our Main Loki, The TVA Loki, and President Loki. They clearly have the same DNA.
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And again, look at our Strange and Strange Supreme, same person and likeness, hell, Supreme is played by Cumberbatch in the trailer for MoM.
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These variants clearly have the same DNA. But look me in the metaphorical eye and tell me these 4 characters all have the same DNA.
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Unless you want to tell me that a white woman, a black man, and an Alligator are genetically identical, it is very clear that they are NOT identical in DNA.
"They are shapeshifters" okay fine, whatever, then explain Throg and main universe Thor, they are not shapeshifters to our knowledge, are THEY identical?
No Way Home extends this.
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This is a less drastic example but they are clearly 3 different men, 3 different sets of DNA.
Peter 3 says he always wanted brothers, but that really in no way confirms how close their DNA is. Thor and Loki in the main MCU call each other brothers despite being completely different species. They are brothers through circumstance and choice, not blood. Peter 3 very well can be referring to them as his brothers in that way. Again, was the show saying they are genetically brothers? Is Peter 3 just wanting a connection to people close to him? You can't actually argue that definitely as there is no definitive answer, it devolves into "nuh uh" very quickly.
Also, this film alone introduces tons of variants of each other without actually showing us. By canonizing the Raimi trilogy, the Webb Duology, and the Venom Duology, we get a SHIT ton of variants that clearly are not genetically identical. Three Mays, two Bens, two Normans, two Harrys, two Gwens, two Eddie Brocks, hell even the Venom Symbiote itself is very different from Spider-Man 3 to Venom. The only same actor throughline is JJJ in the Raimi and Watts films.
In terms of DNA, there is no set rule one way or the other. Sometimes variants are identical, sometimes they aren't.
I believe a safe rule is that if two variants are played by the same actor (or look/sound alike actors such as Tony and Nat in What if) they have the same DNA. But if they are different actors, they do not have the same DNA. It is impossible to argue how CLOSELY the variants share DNA such as Loki and Sylvie because we can't literally see their coding, but the two, by this rule, are different at least to some extent. It's easier to argue that Croki is more distinct from Sylvie than it is TVA Loki and Sylvie but really it's just arguing with whatever your headcanon is on how close their DNA is because we don't know. Are TVA Loki and Sylvie close enough to be siblings? God I sure hope not, considering this:
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But we cannot know for sure. If the uncertainty on that means you don't like it, fine. If the fact they aren't confirmed to be identical and you trust we wouldn't be served literal, DNA based incest, whatever.
Please, just, understand how DNA and genetics works, please.
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trutrustories · 3 years
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Okay, this will be probably long and with many errors (my english isn´t very good) But I saw several posts here on Lokius tag, talking about this ship as result of gay fetish, and about non existing chemistry and  how this ship doesn´t make sense etc… And from what I understood there is tagged Lokius because of genuine interest to understand others point of view, so here is mine: I wil try to explain where my frustration comes from, and how I feel about Lokius, Sylkie, AND representation + some other things which I saw here somewhere. But first of all: I like Sylvie, I don´t hate sylkie shipers, and after so many years reading fan fictions, I don´t mind selfcest – I read weirder things. I have some issues with this ship (the mainlythe fact that it isn´t Lokius), but  this is not one of them. Also, I am not about to tell anyone, they shouldn´t ship sylkie.Ship whatever. And I LOVED the show as a whole. 
I just want to defend my standpoint, that Lokius does make sense, people shipping it does make sense and whether it will happen or not, (I don´t have my hopes very high, and I learned to be very skeptical in this regard ) it is more than just about crack ship, or fetish. I´m honestly blown away that people are still surprised that this ship became a thing :D First of all, let´s look at some romantic story telling and tropes: I mean the way they introduced them in the first two episodes set the tone for all series and how the heck this isn´t romantic? Somehow there are all these romantic tropes existing in a show. They´re just there. Just chilling between Loki and Mobius and large portion of audience can´t even see them. (and some of those tropes were used for Sylki as well, so you could actually see them side by side)
For example: 1) traveling to the apocalypsis 2) breaking law/rules for the other 3) literally changing for the better thanks to the other 4) arguing like old married couple 5) saying secrets, personal things to the other 6) sharing glances, touches, visibly being happy around each other - in case of Loki happier then we´ve ever seen him before 7) being completely themselfs around each other 8) One knowing everything (even the worst) about other and still accepting him completely 9) teasing, being comfortable and domestic around each other 10) one being literally enthusiastic FAN of the other 11) Mobius defending Loki whenever he has a chance 12) Freaking amnesia trope that they pulled of in the end??? (It could be different Mobius, but point is he suddenly doesn´t know him - and Loki knows more, in contrast with the beggining) 13) the jealousy in ep4 14) Misunderstanding - when Mobius thought Loki betrayed him and Loki (thanks to Ravonna) thought Mobius betrayed him... 15) witnessing death of the other and being absolutely broken afterwards 16) The goodbye hug with romantic music in the backround 17) Saving life of the one (even when it means problems for the other ) - like Mobius saved Loki´s ass at least three times when he was trying to stop others from pruning him. 18) sharing deep conversations about meanings of life, freedom and how it would be fun to make some chaos and ride that fucking jet ski!!! 19) Inspiring the other 20) looking for each other (Mobius didn´t believe for a second, that Loki would die in the Void and the way how in the last minutes of the series Loki run through all places they were together when he was looking for Mobius... and I could go on. Point is, even if they are not planning to make Lokius canon, all these things are used on a daily basis to describe romance in media and they are used here. On top of that it´s just very poetic and cute, that this drama queen and powerful god of Asgard who looked down on people would find his match in someone, who is so quiet, ordinary on the first sight, and basically is just human from 90s, who loves jet skis. Mobius can´t even fight. But is highly inteligent and he also happen to be as good manipulator, such as Loki himself. - That´s why they work together so well. Mobius sees right through him and once Loki understands that, he drops his evil persona. Almost nobody expected to ship it for real. But story itself and chemistry between them just made it probably the most exciting duo in the whole MCU. And I mean it genuinely. Third episode, even though it was beautiful and Sophie was great in it (and is literally dipped in bisexual colors), is the least favorite for a reason. And that reason being, there is no interaction between Loki and Mobius whatsoever. Lot´s of people though that series slowed down a bit. Even when in fact there was more action, then when we watched Loki and Mobius working at the TVA.
(and let´s just talk about evil!Mobius narative for a bit and how some people say he is manipulative and toxic for Loki: show itself explore heavy themes and one of them is in Loki´s line: no one bad is ever truly bad and no one good is ever truly good. And as a theme in a fictional world, it is working as it should, for the  story. When Loki and Mobius meet, one of them just killed lots of innocent people and destroyed almost whole city. The other one is a part of fascist organization – and in the beginning of the series they both believe what they´re doing is right. They´re both bad, they´re both good, they´re both broken. And they are changing with the help of the other.) From all reactions I watched - and there was many of them, lots of people actually didn´t see dynamic between Loki and Sylvie as romantic in the third episode. So it´s not like Sylvie and Loki had unequivocally love story right from the start.
The only difference is that lots of people won´t see romantic tropes, when it comes to two men in a mainstream show – show that isn´t primarily about relationships and problems that queer people has to face. Because in super hero story and science fiction we have to warn audience, that they´re about to watch two man in love, right? At this point It´s just frustrating really. There were many M/M dynamics that used similar story line, as for example Lucifer, or X-files, or Bone collectors. -  But unlike those M/M pairings, no one was making fun of people for shipping main characters in these shows. But when it comes to two men suddenly you´ll see from all corners of the internet: “why can´t it be just platonic?” “There is not enough platonic relationships” “why can´t two man just be friends?” (They can and they almost ALWAYS are) and “if you think there something romantic between them, you´re delusional” “fetishist“ “And for god´s sake just let them be friends, Loki needs a friend more then....” oh wait, but Sylvie is allowed to kiss him. Sylvie doesn´t have to be just friend. (And I must say, that I love Sylvie, I liked most of the interactions between her and Loki and I think she is a great character ((I hope we learn more about her in the future)) it just doesn´t work for me as well as Loki´s dynamic with Mobius. Maybe partly because of chemistry between actors, partly because combination of characters and they´re personality and also because I had two whole episodes to fall in love with the pair before Sylvie was even introduced.)
First of all: people can be friends and then evolve into lovers. Not only it is common romantic trope, but it is also the most realistic one. And those relationships are usually strongest. second: If people want to see Loki in a platonic friendship so desperately, why can´t it be a woman for a change? They were acting like chaotic siblings for most of the episode three anyway. The age gap aspect is also very funny. Owen is only about 12 years older (That is not that much. But I imagine, some people would get uncomfortable. But If it was man and woman, most of them wouldn´t even blinked. But two men, that has to be somehow automatically son and father figure dynamic) And If you want to dive into age of an actual characters, then good luck with that in a series about gods, variants and time travel. Almost nobody cares about age gap between Lucifer and detective Decker, or Bella and Edward. On top of that, it was heavily implied, that Loki slept with older, silver haired guy in Ragnarok, so it´s not like he would have problem with that.
Different standards are projected in a way how we see romantic dynamics between fictional characters depends on what we are used to, how are we perceiving world around us, what we are expecting to see and ALSO, what we would like to see, that much is true.  When people are used to make no differences between heterosexual and homosexual pairing, then everything what happens to the characters is measured with the same meter. (Even though I experienced queerbaiting many times (( Once upon a time, Sherlock, Supernatural, Good Omens – the last one hopefully is not the case, but I guess we´ll see)) I also saw lots of lgbt shows like Queer as folks and Sense8.) And when we are not used to see it the same way, well… then it looks basically like that one comment under Castiel´s “I love you” scene on youtube, that said  “what a beautiful friendship”.
If we forget about all that chaotic mess behind the scenes (all those articles and contrary messages)  What is happening in a show between Loki and Mobius can be objectively considered romantic and what is happening between Loki and Sylvie in a series can be objectively considered platonic (until the kiss) and vice versa.  And then to see comments about how absurd it is to even think they have chemistry, and about gay fetish - it´s hard to swallow. I read posts about absurdity of a ship and how there is absolutely nothing that would suggests romance.  Well there is, actually. But whether creators are going to work with it or not, that´s something we can only speculate. They already made Loki officially bisexual. So why should it be so absurd to assume, that there is an actual possibility of romantic subplot between Loki and Mobius? Oh right… it´s Disney and Marvel we are talking about.
So on a subject of bisexuality: Bi people can date whoever they want.  But It is a little frustrating, when there is so many heterosexual pairings in the mcu and disney but when there is a promise of lgbt character (speaking of endgame) we get one line about date from a man we´ll never see again. And when there is a promise of lgbt representation you can´t even blink during movie, or you´ll miss it (Star wars, Beauty and the beast). And then Loki said “A bit of both, I suspect the same as you”. And I won´t lie, I was happy. And I think creators made biggest step yet with this one line (which is honestly terrible, that “a bit of both” coming from Loki of all people, is the biggest step forward.) But they played it VERY safe. Obviously, both Loki, and Sylvie are bisexuals, and in three episodes, we had Loki flirting with female flight attendant, Sylvie talking about her relationship with POSTMAN and then they fall for each other. So the only thing that suggests they are really as bi as Lamentis 1 is that little sentence, that can be edited out, or easily overheard. It´s the bare minimum. And I think that frustration with how freaking slowly we´re moving into some progress is understandable. From all those great M/M dynamics I talked about, those, that could make great love story, nothing happened, because too many people “don´t mind gays but don´t need to look at them” or are scared for their children. In 2021.
It is not a fetish to wish for a gay love story in superhero movies/series. (But anyway, I don´t think there is anything bad about it. Some men like to watch lesbian porn, some woman like to read gay porn. AO3 wouldn´t be were it is today, without people reading and writing slash :D – but that has little to do with what we actually see on tv)
I´m not delusional. As much, as I love these two characters together, I know how little chance it has.  I´m not delusional. I´m just in the future, old and tired, waiting hundreds of years for at least one of my OTP to finaly become a fucking canon.
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Another Nexus Event Theory (Sort of)
Okay, so, I know I've thrown out a lot of partial theories around the nature of Loki and Sylvie's Nexus Event on Lamentis, but here's another one. And once again, it is for sure not the reason a baffled, jealous, and possibly a little scared Mobius throws out during his interrogation. I don't ship it and I won't ship it, but I am very much in favor of friends/pseudo-siblings. I love Sylvie, she's perfect. So, without further ado--
Loki and Sylvie hold hands at the moment of the Nexus Event.
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Uh, okay, so that's not a theory. That's a fact. But listen. They take each other's hand, and BAM! the timeline splits. They fuck up the timeline by holding hands. If they can change the course of time by touching without the intent to hurt or deter but to align, what else can they do?
They overpower Alioth in the void and pass through the Citadel at the End of Time.
They join hands in the season two trailer and cast a wave of Loki-green magic that tosses back dozens of unknown assailants descending upon them. And just before she holds out her hand, Sylvie says, "Don't overthink it." Don't think about it, just do it. Don't try to analyze how or why this works, just act. We're stronger together, and I don't know why either, but I know it's not romantic.
Their hands are a channel for their magic, like Thor's hammer. A way to focus their magic into a purer, more powerful form. And since I feel like running away with this thought until it no longer makes much or any sense, I think this season they're going to learn how to be stronger together in this way without needing to be romantically tied, because Sylvie doesn't seem to feel that way, and hopefully we're moving toward a lokius endgame.
I think part of this season is going to be Loki (and Sylvie, too, though from a different place emotionally) coming to the understanding that they can have a connection, can have a bond, can be stronger together and everything the universe fears and needs in more than one Loki variant joining forces, without that meaning they are romantically entangled. That there can be more than one way this connection can manifest. That Loki can love Sylvie, admire Sylvie, want to protect her and work with her and foster her safety and happiness, without that meaning romance or sex.
Or the MCU will continue to let me down. Anything is possible tomorrow, I guess.
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lokittystuckinatree · 3 years
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Assorted Sylki headcanons:
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Loki is genderfluid, and goes by multiple prounouns, but I’m not sure about Sylvie. Perhaps she is fluid as well, or maybe she’s cis, agender or a trans woman. My current head-canon is that she is AMAB and uses she/they prounouns.
They are both bi/pan (duh), though I headcanon Loki as gray-aro and possibly poly. Once again not sure about Sylvie.
They have a lot of the same hobbies. Both being huge fans of literature, history, science and the arts.
This leads to lots and lots of deep and nerdy conversations.
Ultimate power couple. Could probably take down Thanos by themselves if they teamed up. They laugh together, they fight together, they teach eachother magic and learn some together as well.
I feel like they would develop some healthy competition here. They love eachother enough to be more proud than jealous if one learns something faster or is more natural at a specific skill.
They totally fight for Mobius’s attention. Mobius is just very happy to have two Loki variants in his life to study. (And be besties with of course)
I’m not saying they adopt kid Loki, but I’m not not saying it either...
They have thier ups and downs but always come back to eachother. They are literal soulmates, after all.
Emo
They still ask eachother if they’re okay.
Loki writes her poetry and reads and/or sings her to sleep. She likes to give him massages or use her enchantment to soothe him.
They love slow dancing, though it takes a little effort to get Sylvie onto the dance floor in public. Their song is “if you love me” by Brenda Lee.
He tells her everything about Asgard, reteaches her Asgardian, tells her about the life she could have had. She tells him tales of things she’s seen and he could only dream of.
Then Loki takes her to Asgard. She gets to meet his family. Perhaps they even manage to go back and meet hers.
Loki helps Sylvie trust again, and teaches her how to have fun and be vulnerable. He is the only person she will cry around.
Sylvie helps Loki love himself and opens him up to life paths and ways of thinking he isn’t used to.
I don’t think they’ll have thier happy ending, as much as I want them to. As much as they deserve. So when they are inevitably parted, they console themselves with the knowledge that somewhere, sometime, they are eternal.
But even eternity isn’t forever. In that eternity, they die hand in hand.
Mischief
They cause a LOT of trouble at family gatherings and similar events. They crashed Sif and Valkyrie’s wedding. The heros, Dr. Strange in particular, are fucking fed up with them. The Peters love them.
Everyone is weirded out by their relationship but still somehow ships it. They receive lots of teasing and “go fuck yourself” jokes, as well as the odd “stop touching yourself and concentrate.” Thor definitely finds it weirdest.
Sick of people assuming they’re related, Loki and Sylvie start playing along and introduce themselves as siblings just to see the horror on people’s faces when they’re caught kissing.
But sometimes they’ll use illusion projection to have some (Ahem) fun in public and/or avoid being walked in on.
Matching outfits. Enough said. Honestly if we don’t get to see both of them donning the full costume in season two...
They shape shift into eachother sometimes to either annoy other people or annoy eachother. On a smaller scale, they’ll sometimes switch their hair colors or headpieces for a laugh.
Trick tournaments. They know eachother so well that is nearly impossible to lie to the other. So they make a challenge of it. They compete to see who can prank or fool who first. The winner gets a...ahem...special treat that night. They’re both incredible actors, so these games get intense.
They tease eachother constantly. This banter can get quite mean, but they both know it’s out of love.
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These two have two kinds of sex: tearful, tender lovemaking, and the wildest kinkiest shit conceivable. We’re talking shapeshifting, consensual enchantment, illusions, knife play, and some of the strangest and most messed up foreplay you can imagine.
Some of their faves include King and Queen (on Asgard’s throne), twincest (you know they would), conjuring an illusion they’re fucking in front of everyone they know...walking around in public appearing naked to eachother but clothed to everyone else...
It’s also very good sex. They know exactly what the other wants and how. And they have a lot of it. Everywhere. And in the strangest places. You can’t even imagine the situations they’ve been caught in.
Oh and they’re both switches. Sometimes he’ll dominate her and she’ll finally trust someone else to be in control. Sometimes she’ll peg him. Remind him just how powerful she is, as if he needs reminding.
Loki does this all the time, but sometimes Sylvie will change up her genitals for a twist. Or her species.
When it’s rough, it’s rough. Scratching, screaming, roughhousing, biting. Lots and lots of biting.
When it’s tender, it’s tender. Loki whispers softly in asgardian. Sylvie admits things she never has before. They trace patterns on skin. Kiss tears away.
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Absolutely. I get that maybe Loki- quiet and sensible Thor- loud and brash is probably too simplistic as we then go on to learn more about them, and that's more how they are in certain circumstances, but again, that wasn't dreamed up, we saw it with the interaction with Laufey. And I'd also argue Loki is very sensible with Sylvie in the finale in the same way. He isn't always chaotic like new canon likes to depict him, again, depending.
right, and not just Laufey, but pretty much all the early scenes in the movie--Loki is quiet at Thor’s coronation while Thor eats up the attention. Thor and Odin yell at each other in the vault while Loki just watches them and says nothing (which I think was probably the scene were I first strongly identified with him as a character, so...there’s that), maybe because it’s safer and he doesn’t want to get yelled at too, maybe because this is going more or less like he wanted/expected, maybe some of both, but it always strikes me that he’s completely silent and the other two don’t even notice. this dynamic is normal for them. at least to some extent, Loki is the quiet one who ends up in the shadows, overlooked; Thor is the loud, bright sibling who demands everyone’s attention. (then of course you have the bit where Thor throws a literal tantrum and overturns a whole feast table, and Loki is there not doing that.) the same thing happens in the Observatory right before Thor’s banished, too--Thor and Odin yell at each other, Loki is silent and overlooked in the background, definitely freaked out this time, except here Odin actively silences him when he tries to say something. that’s all very much canon! it’s reflected again in Ragnarok, even, where Loki doesn’t get a single line of dialogue in the final cut of Odin’s death scene (although that time Odin takes notice of him anyway, which indicates Odin at least learned something from all this, even if it was way too late).
but again, I think new canon can be completely complementary. it’s possible to compare the two and go, okay, for starters we can assume that by the time of Thor’s banishment, the whole Odinfam had settled into some pretty entrenched toxic patterns of behavior in their relationships with each other, to the point that none of them even fully realized there were problems until the problems spectacularly blew up in everyone’s faces, and the way Loki acts is partly a product of that environment. as much as he genuinely loved Asgard, it had become pretty stifling and toxic for him, and his behavior changes when he’s taken away from everything he’s ever known--
but also, there are still a lot of throughlines in his behavior. this post shows a lot of them, and it doesn’t even hit everything. we see a lot more of Loki’s chaotic side in the show, true, but he’s also pretty consistent in things like...preferring diplomacy and/or guile over brute force (pickpocketing Mobius instead of continuing to try attacking him, trying to talk to the variant in Roxxcart, the thing with the old woman, the thing on the train, trying to persuade Mobius in episode 4), or at least on some level thinking about people who tend to be forgotten in these types of fights (specifically offended that three “space lizards” control the fate of trillions of people, seems upset about TVA agents not knowing they’re being lied to, “they’re going to let these people die,” recognizes the massively bad consequences to everyone if they make the wrong choice in episode 6) or wanting to think things through at least a little before taking irrevocable action with a completely unknown outcome (everything in the Citadel, like you said; in some ways Pompeii is an example of this in the opposite direction, where he acted impulsively in part because he was certain he was right), or being a giant fucking nerd (I mean this was pretty much just a headcanon before! and I think we can all agree that now it is in fact canon!). it shows up in different ways, sometimes in ways that do seem kind of jarring, but a lot of his underlying attitudes are pretty similar. that’s why I’m still pretty comfortable thinking that it’s possible to make all of it work together, really, because it mostly does if you look for those throughlines.
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