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superrisu · 2 years
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Drew my Locked Tomb faves!! Nona destroyed me and I want Alecto now.
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blacksalander · 1 year
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Tridentari, prince, rat, scrunk
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sweaterregrets · 1 year
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honey, im home~
🎵the mountain goats-up the wolves🎵
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mini-minish · 1 year
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🚫 Third Tantrum 🚫
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onefleshonepod · 2 years
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Strange Names in Nona the Ninth
Nona’s gang of kids, plus the Angel, all appear to have weird names because they are Nona’s transliterations of their names in their native languages into the language of the Nine Houses.
Hot Sauce nodded. Nona guessed again, “Born in the Morning.” “You mean Born in the Morning,” said Hot Sauce. “That’s what I said,” said Nona.
There are seventeen local languages (according to Ianthe) on New Rho. Nona can speak all of them, without really understanding what she’s doing, so she understands the names she hears and the meaning of these names to be synonymous.
Nona understood everybody, and could speak back to them so that they understood her, and nobody ever said she had an accent. This confounded Palamedes. When she first said that she could speak back by watching them talk and making her lips look like theirs, it confounded him so much more that it gave Camilla a headache.
(I think the same thing’s going on with The Building that Troia cell lives in; I think it’s a word in another language that means building and is used as an official name for the building, but I have no guesses as to what that could be.)
I believe Nona is able to do this both because she is Alecto, who plays the role of the Holy Spirit in Tamsyn's Catholic Trinity 2.0, and the Holy Spirit gave the Apostles the gift of tongues during Pentecost, and because she is the soul of Earth. The languages spoken on New Rho presumably came from Earth, so of course she can speak all of them!
This is my attempt to reverse engineer all of these names into House / English.
The Angel / The Messenger
BOE calls Aim "the Messenger" and the children and Nona call her "the Angel.”
We Suffer: “Usually you both meeting up with the Messenger, whom you call the Angel, would have been very bad.”
When the Angel first appears, her name is playing on the meaning of “angel” as a caring and godly being – the reader gets that it would make sense for children who love her to see her as an angel, so this remark flies under on the radar:
The Angel was what they called the nondescript, washed-out, dusty-haired personage who came to teach the Hour of Science. Why they called her the Angel was unclear.
But it is clear why they call her The Angel! It comes from a word with two meanings: the Greek word “angelos” originally meant “messenger” and later took on the meaning of “angel” or “messenger of God,” so all names originating from this word have both of those meanings.
Names originating from “angelos” include Angela (English, Spanish), Aniela (Polish), Aingeal (Irish), Anděla (Czech), Andjela (Serbian), Angèle (French), Angiola (Italian), Anzhela (Russian), and diminutives like Angelina.
The name is intended by BOE to mean Messenger, because of her societal role, but Nona is translating the other meaning of her name, Angel, because that meaning is what makes more sense to her given the way she sees and loves the Angel.
It's also possible that BOE has a more formal version of this name as a title for the Messenger and the children's "the Angel" which Nona hears as distinct from "the Messenger" is a diminutive or less formal version of the same name.
Born in the Morning
This name could be Sabah (Arabic), Akinyi (Luo from Kenya), or Asa (Japanese), all names which mean “morning” and more specifically “born in the morning.”
Honesty
This is a bit more difficult and I’m really not sure about any of these. There are quite a few boys' names meaning “honesty.” There are even more names that mean “honest” or “truthful,” but for strictly the noun “honesty” we have these names:
Pheakdei (Khmer, from Cambodia); Satyam, Onnesha, and Sachh (Hindi); Zaka and Sadaqat (Arabic); and Onestà or Onesto (Italian).
I don’t speak any of these languages, so I can’t comment on which name is most likely, and there are probably also way more possibilities that I missed in my deep dive into 457 baby name websites and dictionary translations!
Edit: I've seen "Frank" suggested a lot as a potential name, but I don't think this is likely, because "Honesty" is a noun, and "Frank" is an adjective. I think if Tamsyn intended the name to be a transliteration of "Frank" she would have used the adjective "Honest," not the noun "Honesty " – she doesn't seem the type to overlook something like that.
Beautiful Ruby
I think this name is probably just two names, in an unknown language, one meaning “beautiful” and one meaning “ruby.”
Unfortunately, there are millions of possibilities here and I can’t find any combination that particularly jumps out. If you have more thoughts on this please let me know!
Hot Sauce
Hot Sauce, of course – as a delightful choice that only serves to confuse the reader more with respect to all of these names – is literally just named Hot Sauce. You CAN put it on rice and you CAN put it on bread!!
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mercyisms · 2 years
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Tell your boyfriend if he says he's got beef That I'm a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him
NONA THE NINTH
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toxicdogs · 1 year
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Paul my beloved.
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cavaliernav · 2 years
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the more i think about alecto the ninth the more i feel like i'm gonna have an aneurysm
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netta-knight · 2 years
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Some Kiriona from over on twitter, we stan a corpse prince!
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a-mermaids-heart · 6 months
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Never escaping NTN
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oatlybrandoatmilk · 2 years
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in every book, in every weird reiteration or hallucination or lobotomy or version or piece of harrow and gideon, in EVERY SINGLE ONE they love each other
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blacksalander · 1 year
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Tower Prince Kiriona Gaia
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Tower Prince Kiriona Gaia the First, her Divine Highness, First Lieutenant of the Cohort, Emperor’s Life Guard and saddest girl in the whole entire world
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sweaterregrets · 1 year
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Black sheep, come home//Everyone wants a ride, pulls away, from you
🎵Black Sheep- Metric🎵
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mini-minish · 1 year
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hoping to see more of Rabid harrow some time ❤
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Time to update one of my favorite memes!
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onefleshonepod · 2 years
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🐘 Is the "cradle creature" in Nona's drawing an elephant?
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Annotation of three quotes from Nona the Ninth. Areas with brackets have colour-coded annotations. The annotations will follow.
The Angel urged tersely, "Did you I get this from a picture?" Nona looked down at the animal she had drawn, and thought perhaps she understood. She said, (“No, I made it up.) It does work, I promise. (See these things? They're its ears,") she said, in much the same tones as she would have explained to Kevin. ("This thing is its nose,) and (you can't see it because I didn't draw it, but the mouth is under here.) (When first it was born) (it used to live in a river, but then it got cold so it had to get large.) I know (the legs can't rotate,) but you don't think that's stupid, do you?"
"I've seen pictures of this (animal) before," said the Angel, slowly and carefully. "I only saw it because I did a special unit when I went to university. I went to the special (zoology) school on Miró and attended a heap of underground archaeology talks.
"You wouldn't have," said the Angel. "It's a cradle creature."
Nona is the soul of Earth, so in a sense yes, she, via the evolutionary process on Earth, “made [this creature] up.”
Nona mentions the ears first, indicating that they are a prominent part of the drawing, and calls them “things.” It seems as though she thinks they’re not immediately recognizable as ears to Cam and the Angel, and they look weird to her as well (Nona has only ever seen human and dog ears in this body). I think this indicates that the ears are large and unusual, which suggests that maybe this animal is an elephant.
Another use of the word “thing” [in reference to the nose] – Nona is implying that the nose looks weird to her, or she thinks the nose looks weird to Cam and the Angel, and is unlike a human or dog nose. That would again work with this animal being an elephant.
The mouth is "under" something, perhaps the nose, and can't be seen, and Nona didn't draw it. An elephant's mouth is somewhat hidden under its nose, and in a head-on view of an elephant, the mouth is not visible.
Nona is comparing this animal unfavourably to Noodle, whose legs can rotate.
I believe this sentence [“When first it was born…”] is about the entire evolutionary history of this animal. From the perspective of Earth, the life of the creature is not the individual life of the individual animal she has drawn, but the history of the entire species.
All tetrapods descend from the Sarcopterygii, or "lobe-finned fishes." A living member of this clade which closely resembles basal fossil sarcopterygians is the lungfish, a freshwater fish. The evolutionary ancestor which lived in a river that Nona is referring to might very well be this basal sarcopterygian.
It did indeed get a lot colder on Earth from the Devonian period, when the basal tetrapods first arose, to the present day.
The Angel's words here suggest that Nona has drawn an animal that really existed.
Zoology to the layman is often understood specifically as the field of study of vertebrates (although invertebrates are also animals).
"Cradle" could be a reference to the "Cradle of Mankind," Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, where the Leakeys researched hominin fossils, or to the "Cradle of Humankind," a fossil hominid site in South Africa. Both of these sites are also home to African elephants. However, it could also just be a broader reference to the planet Earth as the birthplace of humanity.
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