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#no but s14 dean is.... I mean....YES
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franklespine · 4 months
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Oh my god. Genuinely, s14e19 jack in the box was the single most excruciating episode I have ever watched. I am devastated.
How people act when they are without a soul is something I found incredibly interesting in s6 with Sam, and its interesting how the way that Jack is portrayed in this episode fits into it. Just like Sam - he's got no instinct. No guiding moral compass. No gut feelings. Except now it's a billion times worse because Jack is the most powerful being in the universe and everyone seems to want their part in manipulating him. Because the interesting thing about soulessness is it doesn't just make you incapable of feeling empathy, but also makes you incredibly susceptible to manipulation.
I just knew Dean was a ticking time bomb the entire episode. Ugh and the way he painted it - like Jack was just playing them the whole time, that they fell for his act or whatever.
And the Ma'lak box???? What if that was my final straw? What if watching Sam have to manipulate the kid that he sees as his son, that he sees as a reflection of himself, was the end of me? What then?
This entire episode, Sam isn't even angry, he's just full of guilt and sorrow and disorientation. He can't even really articulate how exactly he thinks it's his fault, just that he is somehow at fault. s14 really punishes Sam for being sympathetic huh - at every turn and every mercy.
Whereas Dean is just guilty in an angry way that is like I feel horrible and guilty but in a way that means I really do actually blame you.
Then Dean making SAM be the one to make the call to Jack. Taking advantage of Sam's close relationship with Jack, the one that he valued and took the patience to establish with new born Jack whilst Dean was drinking and condemning him before he'd even stepped a foot in the world. And he doesn't even pose it as a question. He's not telling Sam his plan - he's giving orders. "Because you are going to be so damn sincere". It's going to be you Sam because "you've always been in his corner. You're his go-to guy. If you reach out, he'll come." Yes Sam this is hard for me too, Dean says. Now you take advantage of your close trusting bond whilst I stand here and look imposing.
And then using the only thing that would make Sam actively participate in this crazy shit - his love and dependance on Dean. "If I do it, after what happened to Mom, I could lose it. I will lose it."
They both knows what happens to Dean when he looses it. They've been through the MOC, they've been through demon Dean. Like you can just see it on his face - the menacing way this scene is framed - with such clear power dynamics - this is a threat.
RAHHHH.
I can't. I can't do it.
Something that keeps happening in the later seasons is situations where Dean is aware of their codependence. He knows Sam puts a ridiculous amount of love and faith in him and he knows that he is the only thing that gets Sam to loosen his morals. And he uses it against him?? It happened with Gadreel and now it happened against with Jack and the box.
Time out. I need a breather.
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sounknownvoid · 3 months
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why dean was absolutely frothing to kill chuck/God in s14-15 imo
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By s14 we're slowly starting to see the big series villain-reveal is God (spoilers! - but it is a 15xseason series that ended almost 3+ years ago so ya know....catchup) aka chuck.
And you see dean descend into this despair n depression and then absolutely frothing-at-the-mouth-desperate to kill him - at.any.cost - including making Jack into a soul-bomb ... the kid that he did *this* for finally.... birthdays n teaching him to drive in the impala...
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And there's been a ton of text on the ptsd dean is sufferring at that stage and it's finally cracked him up (totally plausible) and there's a ton of analysis on how the brother bond with sam talked him down and out of using jack n that the ends doesn't justify the means and "not at any cost" theme from sam and the fact that dean was willing to listen even in that moment (contrasted to chuck n amara) - & i read an awesome analysis n scene-by-scene n line by line breakdown on spn-blr the other day (I Rb-d it the other day) of how dean was stopped cold n brought out of his madness by sam asking him if he'd be willing to sacrifice him ie sam as well in his mad quest to kill God n how dean desperately pleads his case n that chuck MUST die....n I agree with all of it...
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BUT what I haven't seen yet is any theories on WHY dean was so angry about it n absolutely crazy about killing god/chuck.... coz here's what's odd to me, about it being dean:
DEAN is the GOOD SOLDIER - he respects authority and father figures in general n even models himself in the patriarchical god's image (be it John or chuck I let you decide) - his whole "free will" thing is a sham / or only within narrowly defined confines acceptable to the patriarchs, because he's always been the one who's followed the rules set for him: by dad,by the hunting life chosen for him by dad, by societal norms,of "being a man", he's always toed the line set for him by dad n although he thinks angels are dickbags, he unquestionably thinks they're the "good guys" - or the "better" option against the alternative: demons n hell (s4 or anytime really even in midst of angel-wars)....he tends to be fairly black n white n even his "rebellion" is only when sam convinces him to walk off the board by saying no to Michael (s5) ...he may scoff at angels n God but he still thinks they're the "appropriate authority" n so while he's upset with how things are run, he's not after a regime change.... he's not the one into "free will" to the point that he'd be willing to kill the ONE TRUE PATRIARCHICAL AUTHORITY ie God...
That was always SAM's gig (n Lucifer)....SAM was the "it's not who you are, it's what you do n you can choose what you do"-guy, SAM was always the one questioning everything n never toeing the line and noticing the corruption in the system n pointing out alternatives n options to everything that they were "destined" for n told to be.... SAM was the one advocating for thinking for yourself...or hell, thinking at all, period... but yes, SAM was also the one with the faith in a higher power n the praying type n had been since his younger days - always the one wanting to believe that there was a higher authority that could save him, absolve him of his sins .... but also not really believing that he deserved to be saved if there really was such a higher power of good... he chose to have faith n hope despite it all...in God.
N then, after all that, they discover it was chuck after all... think about what it means to them in their pov, for a sec:
chuck wrote their lives the way it was with losing their families n letting demons at baby Sam n sam being sold to demon deal by their mother before he was born n dads rage n neglect n conflicted leading to both of them growing up so twisted n isolated n ...
Chuck wrote the big showdown n vessels for heaven n hell n the big throw down pitting brother against each other
Chuck wrote the dying n losing each other n pieces of themselves over n over n over n over n over...
Chuck wrote dean going to hell n sam being tortured in the cage for centuries...
Chuck wrote the big painful heartbreaking,soul-breaking breakups n the lack of trust sown between them by others n by themselves
Chuck wrote the tender moments n the "bro-ments" n "fan-fiction songs" n the caring for each other's wounds n the silent communication between them n the moments of ease n care n laughter n love...
...because, Chuck wrote them as soulmates - wrote the confusing n complicated feelings they had for each other n what it did to them growing up n even after - having to deal with it n figure it out n carry the burden of this connection that meant that they could never fully connect with anyone else despite their attempts n so grew isolated - that never went away even as it twisted n grew thorns n tore them to shreds n they could never let each other go even as it destroyed each other n themselves - because that connection wouldn't let them.... Chuck wrote that.
For his own sick pleasure n entertainment.... which means he heard ALL of sams desperate pleas n prayers throughout his life growing up...n enjoyed it even as he carried on turning the screws on sam (&by extn, dean in deans pov)....which means that all the faith n hope sam chose to put in him ie God- was completely misplaced n in fact in the literal wrong hands - talk about a violation worse than rape?... sam had his faith violated by the very God he chose to believe in after all he'd been through
N the thing is that just like when dean recoiled when John told him that he'd have to kill sam if he couldn't save him n got so mad at John for doing that to him....after he'd given him everything he had...
Similarly, Dean realised a lot of the above n what has him frothing is 2x main things in my mind:
The absolute fury at God for breaking his beloved brother's heart (n soul n mind n body) , doing this to him DELIBERATELY- ie he'd be outraged n furious on sams behalf n all that he's had to go through just for chucks shits n giggles... this would be the righteous big brother-dean fury of epic proportions...
This one I reckon is more on his/their personal behalf n by that I mean their "complicated feelings" for each other - knowing it was there n both felt it n they were brothers would have fked em up pretty badly....n dean especially, often said or did things explicitly to distance himself or sam when younger to deal with this in the "right way" - which absolutely made them both miserable n he hurt sam in the process...he knows sam similarly feels his own guilt n is the source of his self loathing n "uncleanness" just like it is source of dean's amongst others ....BUT by that late season-stage they had both grown to accept it n work with it and had arrived at an understanding of it and each other and by then, they'd felt like it was the "one thing they had of their very own" - not from hunting life,or something from dad or the devil or the destiny laid out for them etc, etc.... it was theirs - they'd found something precious n beautiful n unique n "special" in each other and WITH each other that they'd never found anywhere else n finally had stopped fighting it n had grown into it.....and EVEN THAT wasn't theirs n theirs alone- chuck wrote that....n to dean who'd have struggled with it so much - it'd feel like the one good, non-murdery place in himself n what he'd built with sam was also taken away/polluted n tainted by goddamn chuck....so it's deans violation too...
So yeah it's freewill that dean wants n is fighting to kill chuck for - but it's because it threatens their love n it's a choice that they both made together n he will not have that taken away
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n this also is why he thought sam of all people would understand n see that n want to take his ie dean's side that chuck had to go no matter the cost
Anyways sorry it got long... but yeah...this is what my spn-brainrotted brain thinks on why dean was jonesing for chucks blood - coz it hurt sam n coz it invalidated/threatened the integrity of their choice to be who they were to each other....
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Writing Updates - Dec 2023
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Here's what I've got currently going on amidst the holiday craziness (meaning, yes I'm working on ALL of these):
Beau Arlen x Female Reader:
The Ghosts Are Coming For You Chapter 2
Only Ever Holding Onto You Chapter 4
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #1)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Unnamed (TBD) AU short story
Unnamed (TBD) AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) AU Prompt Response (which is looking like it may turn into either a one shot or short story depending on how long this continues to get)
Unnamed (TBD) s3 AU short story
Soldier Boy x Female Reader:
Keep Me Inside Chapter 1
Unnamed (TBD) post-3x05/AU one shot that I previewed in November here
Unnamed (TBD) post-3x04/AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) post-3x08/AU story that I previewed in November here
Unnamed (TBD) s3 AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #1)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Dean Winchester x Female Reader:
Follow Me Into the Dark s15/AU short story Part 1
Unnamed (TBD) s15/AU Prompt Response
Unnamed (TBD) s15/AU one shot (that may turn into a short story)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #1)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Unnamed (TBD) s10 one shot
Sam Winchester x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) s14 ficlet (may turn into one shot)
Alec McDowell x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) short story
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Tom Hanniger x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) post-movie short story
Unnamed (TBD) post-movie story
Jenny Hoyt x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) story that I previewed in November here
Unnamed (TBD) 3x11 AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response
Anael/Sister Jo x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) one shot
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #1)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response
Rachel Gatina x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) short story
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
SDV Leah x Female Reader:
Unnamed (TBD) Prompt Response (multi-character response #2)
Multiple Pairings:
Beau Arlen x Female Reader x Jenny Hoyt:
Unnamed (TBD) story
Beau Arlen x Female Reader x Jenny Hoyt x Cassie Dewell:
You Know What You're Here For (still determining if this will be a short story or full story but one thing it will be is absolutely filthy - I'm not much of a smut writer but I used this to practice with so yeah, absolutely filthy, I feel like I don't know if I need a shower or Confession or a cigarette, preferably one of the former two)
Breakdown of the Multi-Character x Reader Prompt Response Project:
Prompt 1:
Soldier Boy - Complete
Beau Arlen - Complete
Dean Winchester - in progress
Jenny Hoyt - in progress
Tom Hanniger - in progress
Jason Teague - Complete
Anael - in progress
SDV Alex - in progress
Prompt 2:
Soldier Boy - Complete
Beau Arlen - Complete
Dean Winchester - Complete
Jenny Hoyt - Complete
Tom Hanniger - in progress
Jason Teague - Complete
Alec McDowell - Complete
CJ Braxton - in progress
Anael - in progress
Rachel Gatina - in progress
SDV Leah - in progress
I haven't posted the completed ones yet because I want to post them altogether so they can all be linked together since they're responses to the same prompt.
As far as ships go here's what I've got in the works:
Beau x Cassie:
Their Silent Thunder Matches Mine Chapter 3
What Happened Last Night Prompt Response
No Warning Prompt Response
Traditions Prompt Response
Santa Beau Prompt Response
Unnamed (TBD) post-3x13 one shot
Unnamed (TBD) Halloween/AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) one shot
Cassenny (Cassie x Jenny):
Unnamed (TBD) pre-series/s1 AU one shot
Dean x Cassie Dewell:
Unnamed (TBD) s15/post-s3/AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) later season/post-s3/AU one shot (previewed here)
Destiel (Dean x Castiel):
Unnamed (TBD) later-season ficlet
Unnamed (TBD) post-15x19 ficlet
Unnamed (TBD) post 13x01 ficlet
Unnamed (TBD) AU/post-finale ficlet
Buddie (Buck x Eddie):
One Last Time s4/AU one shot (it's been in the works for the last two years at least but I'm getting that much closer to where I want it and can finally post it; we're on final approach, folks)
Unnamed (TBD) post-4x05 one shot (that may turn into a short story)
Unnamed (TBD) post-3x18 one shot
Jonsa (Jon x Sansa):
Unnamed (TBD) AU story
Unnamed (TBD) post-s6 one shot (that may turn into a short story)
Unnamed (TBD) post-s6/pre-s7 AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) one shot
Unnamed (TBD) AU one shot
Unnamed (TBD) post-finale one shot
Unnamed (TBD) post-finale one shot
Unnamed (TBD) post-finale short story
Daensa (Daenerys x Sansa):
Unnamed (TBD) modern/AU short story
Unnamed (TBD) s7 AU short story that I previewed in November here (that may turn into a story)
Unnamed (TBD) mid-finale one shot
Unnamed (TBD) s8 ficlet
Unnamed (TBD) AU Prompt Response
Bella x Jacob:
Take What You Need (possibly mid or) post-NM/AU one shot (I haven't decided which time frame fits the events better)
Unnamed (TBD) post-BD imagine
Unnamed (TBD) Thanksgiving/post-BD one shot
Other Things:
Game of Thrones story (post-finale) - contains OC's along with canon characters
The Walking Dead story (post-TWDDC season 1) - contains OC's along with canon characters
Dean Winchester x Female!OC story (post-finale)
Alec McDowell x Female!OC story (post-finale)
I'm currently outlining projects for the following:
Edythe Cullen x Bella Swan
Edythe Cullen x Jacob Black (one shot)
Rosalie Hale x Female Reader
Carlisle Cullen x Female Reader
Sebastian Sallow x Female Reader
Rip Wheeler x Female Reader
Dean Winchester x Jo Harvelle (one shot)
Maribel Garlick x Female Reader (one shot)
Sam Uley x Female Reader
Leah Clearwater x Renesmee Cullen?
Sam Uley x Renesmee Cullen (one shot)
Max Goodwin x Elizabeth Wilder (one shot)
Jenny Hoyt x Dean Winchester (one shot)
Jenny Hoyt x Soldier Boy
Clarke Griffin x Lexa (prompt response to a Clexmas '23 prompt that I won't make in time to post the response to but I'm still writing it!)
Dean Winchester x Buffy Summers (one shot)
Buffy Summers x Faith Lehane
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hudbannonarchive · 14 days
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twd might be the most evil show ever bc late seasons supernatural is bad yes this we must never waver on. but AT LEAST sam and dean are there. what would i have done halfway through s14 without sam and dean?? i don't know because i wouldn't have watched it. i had to be dragged kicking and screaming (by myself) to watch it in the first place. what do you mean rick leaves the show as soon as they supermax the episode count per season?? so he's gone for like 50 episodes?? and michonne is not long after??? and carl's already dead??
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my spn hot takes
Rewatching spn made me realize some things lol
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john wasn't like... a bad parent??? he didn't do the best job he could, but he was also grieving and he'd just found out that the things that go bump in the night are real and yeah he fucked up sometimes but everyone does
dean was verbally and physically abusive to sam, jack, and cass
cass was not a hero and he was kind of a bad person. he broke sam's wall and drove him insane, he killed a bunch of people when he was "god," the leviathan arc of s7 was his fault, and he blamed sam for the apocalypse even though it was the angels who wanted it and he didn't care that dean broke the first seal even though both brothers unknowingly contributed to its start
dean was correct that they should have killed jack when he was born. he was an extremely powerful being with no knowledge of morals or control. he could have destroyed the whole world and killed countless people, as demonstrated in s14 and s15 when he was soulless. this doesn't mean that i don't love jack or that i agree with dean's treatment of him, just that dean's reasoning made sense.
it didn't make any sense that chuck became the villain. there was never any indication that chuck was malevolent or that he wanted sam and dean to suffer before the end of s14.
anyone who watched s15 and still shipped d*stiel or thought that the show was about anything other than the relationship between the brothers missed the whole point of the show. to add to that, the finale was their perfect ending. yes, it hurt to watch. knowing the permanence of dean's final death was painful, but the whole show was leading up to that. i will say that sam not going off the rails was a bit ooc considering all of dean's other deaths and i do think it would have made more sense for him to die young because he doesn't want to live without his brother. sam not looking for dean during the purgatory year made no sense.
sam was right to be angry after gadreel. dean took his bodily autonomy.
dean was never meant to have a romantic relationship with anyone. he never really understood the concept of loving someone other than sam. that isn't to say that he didn't care about other people because he did, but his whole schtick is "look out for sammy." love, for him, means sam. the two things are synonymous.
sam was fucking unhinged.
sam was always far more queercoded than dean, and people who use dean's misogyny and toxic masculinity as "proof" of dean's bisexuality are the ones who are homophobic, not the people who say that he isn't bi. sam, on the other hand, dated amy. amy was his first girlfriend, and he could never tell john or dean about her because she wasn't human. she could never tell her mom because sam was human. she literally shoved him into a closet when her mom got home. dean killed her because she wasn't human. sera gamble said herself that she intentionally queercoded sam. dean is canonically a homophobe ("dude can you be any gayer").
ship culture is toxic. i've stopped shipping in general and i prefer qpr ships instead.
d*stiel never made sense, and even if sam and dean weren't brothers, w*ncest wouldn't work. it would still be toxic af (as demonstrated by their whole relationship as brothers).
sam and dean were soulmates in the platonic sense. their whole world revolves around each other and their relationship and love for one another.
supernatural was about family, never romance.
the spn prequel makes no sense with canon.
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Do we have any chance to witness the reunion of Dean and Cas? Or it will be only as some sort of mention at the end? In your opinion (I trust it)
Yes.
I still suspect SOME kind of hinge for season 2, but the point is turning over all the cards, and that means The World too. They will chase the end of the riddle. Follow the Path of the One towards Heaven. The notes themselves are, for poetic intentional irony, loosely translated.
By episode 13, Dean completes his path back to The One and finds the answer by going all the way back to the beginning. The Grudge. The Trap. The Reflection. Hence those being part of the final updated key of Lateralus.
(Aside, but the goal is to get it cleaned up by episode 7 to update Reflection with uh, Reflection. And Lateralus will need it too. So I want to drop something like day after. That'll be a 30~ minute version, then the full one will be done over hiatus for all 13 original tracks, though I'm half fucking tempted to change them to Dean or Roxxy's tracks and see how this works out, or the episode ones. Because Art of Dying over Lateralus just. Gives me dizzy "on point" vibes. I half wonder how it'd go if I just overlaid it but I don't have the OG project file and I absolutely refuse to rebuild Lateralus' namesake song again from the ground up. Goddamnit. SDKFJSDFKJSDFKJSDFKSDJFSKDFJSKDJFSKJDFKSJDF
Anyway to point, all should start becoming clear very soon. There's a reason Jensen was so coy about his heaven answer and why Dean's still in the purgatory clothes. And it all taps back to my old mythos bible. For magical, unrelated reasons. But you'll want to check this old Mythic Meta Heaven Post from around S14 and this chart to help better understand where Dean is. The One is there. But certainly in 0 ways the chart Robbie drew Jensen right oh wait and i oop.
Follow the Path of 1 towards heaven.
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Do you believe me? ;)
For more see my extended heaven tag over the years. Enjoy the nukes from 2-3 years ago.
Anyway Dean of the narration is Dean of the Infinite, Not the Empty, hence one could say, his tonal Pride.
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And even when he was going to sacrifice jack, it wasn't just for himself, it was supposed to be the only way to save the world which Chuck was very much planning to destroy!! But it was reframed to make Sam's argument make sense when it didn't. It was either destroy Chuck (and Amara) or let him destroy the world. There's no "save our friends" without saving the world first. Power sucker jack was a fluke and not a perceivable option at that point.
I appreciate this add-on to my rambling bunch of thoughts defending dean’s actions in later seasons. I wanna give it a longer response
when I said that 15x17 unity is the only episode in which I see dean acting entirely, 100% in his own self-interest, (meaning every other decision he makes and action he takes in the show, even if it's a selfish one, he's doing at least in part for someone else) i’m referring really only specifically to that last scene, where he’s racing to have jack sacrifice himself and has a gun trained on sam when he tries to stop him.
throughout the episode, leading up to this moment, dean’s motivations steadily get a more narrow focus. first he insists it’s a duty to the world. then later, in the car, he narrows it down to just him and sam, thanking jack for how what he is willing to do can give them a chance at a real life with real freedom. then in the scene in the bunker, he’s finally whittled it down to just himself: he doesn’t care about what happens to amara, to their friends, to jack, to sam even, almost pulling the trigger on him when he tries to stop dean. there’s one moment where he’s only thinking about himself, what he wants, what he needs. he wants to not be a puppet anymore, and if this is what he needs to do (hurt others, let others be hurt) then… well, it’s not what he wants, but so be it.
it’s all very un-dean-like behaviour. but there is one instance from his past that does resemble this situation very closely: dean saying ‘yes’ to alastair in hell and picking up the razor himself. that was a selfish act: it was choosing to hurt others to protect himself, but I don’t think it’s fair to see this as dean making a selfish decision here because he was not in a position to make real, autonomous decisions. when you’re driven to do something after years of unbearable torture, like dean was, that isn't actually a real autonomous decision that you're making and that culpability does not lie with you.
something similar is happening in 15x17: dean is driven, after literally more than a lifetime of trauma and hardship, to be willing to facilitate harm coming to someone else in order for him to be free; in other words to act in a manner so counter to his regular personality and moral compass that the audience watching can’t help but notice it. the differences here, of course, are that dean does have choices in this situation, he is not bound to the laws of hell, and that this time he is not alone, he has his family around him to give him other options he really didn't have access to on the rack.
all that aside, i’m saying I do think dean is ultimately coming at this problem from an emotional point of view, instead of a rational or moral one. and, we are to presume by the framing of the episode, that sam and castiel are acting from a rational or moral perspective. but, like you said, anon, it isn’t actually as clear cut as that.
sam and cas have, in the later seasons, pivoted almost entirely to the idea of ‘letting someone sacrifice themselves to save the world is not acceptable, there must be another way’ which is noble enough when you look at it on a surface-level. granted, they do crucially let go of this ideal in the season 11 finale when they let dean go to sacrifice himself, but I'd say that's the exception. in s10 and s14, for example, they're firmly against killing dean or locking him up or whatever to save the world from what damage he could inflict, and then in s15 of course they're not sold on the plan of letting jack sacrifice himself to put a stop to chuck's control of everything. they try to find a different plan first- and don't actually succeed, but sam does end up discovering yet another reason why he doesn't want jack to destroy chuck.
SAM: Jack, don't! CAS: Sam, why not? SAM: Because if Billie takes over, then everyone goes back to where they belong. That means everybody from apocalypse world, Bobby, Charlie, they get sent back to a place that doesn't exist anymore. And everyone we saved. Eileen, she... she just dies again. And that's just the beginning.
note cas asking sam "why" he shouldn't lead jack to chuck and amara to destroy them, as if he sees that as a perfectly reasonable choice of action now that they haven't found an alternative plan.
anyway, sam's statement here is... a bit selfish, isn't it? I mean, of course it would be sad to lose those people, but the only alternatives they know of right now would be that chuck either continues exacting his control over their world or destroys it, which would mean the death of everyone including the people sam names. but it's about sam's personal emotional investment, his feeling that the people he cares about should get to escape a bad fate no matter at what cost to others that could come.
there is over the seasons a subtle reoccurring theme of dean being more willing to sacrifice people he knows and cares about for strangers/the world at large (in meet the new boss, in brother's keeper, in moriah, in unity). even if he never goes through with it, he's willing to consider it as the morally right decision. in the same vein, he is often unwilling to sacrifice strangers for himself or for his loved ones (jus in bello, appointment in samarra, brother's keeper). sacrifice in season 8 is basically an exception to this, though I'd say those circumstances are different since sam is actively suicidal. anyway on the other side to this coin, sam (sometimes allied with cas) is consistently unwilling to sacrifice people they care about (again, brother's keeper, prophet and loss, unity) and is conversely often more okay with sacrificing strangers to save himself and/or his loved ones (there's like 3 examples of this in s10 only).
all this to say that supernatural is truly inconsistent on its standpoint regarding whether or not it is morally correct to sacrifice the one/the few, whether loved ones or strangers, to save the many. not that any of that technically even matters in the situation in 15x17, because it was canonically all a con mapped out by chuck to push on all their pressure points and get them where he wanted them. billie's hidden intentions, sam and cas' doubts, amara's feeling of betrayal, dean's blind desperation, sam's obstruction and their stand-off. billie's plan was never going to work, it was never going to happen, it wasn't supposed to!
unfortunately for him what else was never supposed to happen was dean being convinced by sam's words and remembering himself as a person who isn't capable of killing his brother or letting someone sacrifice themselves for him, who cares about finding a different way and who does make his own choices, uncocking and lowering his gun. foiling plans by going against what is expected of him is what dean does, after all.
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queermania · 1 year
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It's so frustrating reading posts like the one prev anon sent because people are so concerned with coddling Jack (and Cas) and assigning them emotions and thoughts (that often contradict what they actually express in canon) that they end up doing the exact thing to Dean that they're accusing other people of doing to Jack.
yeah. somebody (i think it might've been @jewishdeanwinchesterwinchester ?) said something recently that kind of hit the nail on the head for me: a lot of people are analyzing this show as if it's just a family drama and not a fantasy show with completely unimaginable stakes. i think that's fairly accurate and why we're never going to come to an agreement about what's happening. i mean, the truth is that i can't even always come to an agreement about what's happening with myself.
for example i have a hard time discussing and parsing the fallout of s14 because it's kind of baffling to me?? jack is resurrected, still without a soul, but is now completely in control of his emotions and therefore his powers so....???? it's like the only point of making him dangerous in s14 was to cause conflict, which... is how tv works but is so internally inconsistent that it's very frustrating. i guess you can argue it was chuck's doing and since chuck doesn't know jack's been resurrected, he doesn't know to make jack out of control? i don't know.
but jack is resurrected and does his whole eating angel hearts thing and when cas finds him, he brings him back to the bunker. which, is a sticking point for a lot of people—that jack should've under no circumstances been brought back to the bunker, and like, in theory i agree with that. in theory i don't think you should bring an emotionally vulnerable kid back to the home of people who wanted to kill him. but in the high stakes fantasy show, that's not how it's presented at all. in the show, jack wants to be there. he says, "every day I wanted to come home" but he couldn't because of billie and chuck stuff.
but all of this is like okay well he still doesn't have a soul so he has no real grip on the severity of the situation, nor does he have any real emotions about what happened. of course he would want to go back to the only home he's ever known. but then when he does get his soul back, his anguish isn't over what the winchesters did to him. it's that he killed mary. like... he is horrified by his own actions and ultimately kind of agrees with the winchesters? and if this were just a family drama, i would think that's horrifying, but as it is it's just like ah yes you were raised by the three dumbest of asses, all of whom reinforced bottom of the barrel ideas about self-worth. this tracks.
and i personally think dean and jack understand each other in a way that nobody else really does. like, i think jack could've put michael!dean in the box and it would've been an act of love and dean would've recognized it as such and been grateful for it. and i don't think jack expects an apology from dean about what happened in s14 because he doesn't think dean needs to apologize. i'm not saying i agree with that, mind you. but ultimately, in a post-canon world, i don't think 'moriah' is an obstacle for them, because they both view it the same way. i think a discussion (and apology) about 'unity' and the widower arc would be a lot more productive.
anyway, all of this is to say that s15 is an emotional free for all with no real resolution for anyone but it is also still the monster god hunting show so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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supernatural s14e12 prophet and loss (w. brad buckner, eugenie ross-leming)
feel like i'm just grinding through s14 at a decent pace. several times now they've made me had minor (to moderate) breakdowns and i just want to keep plowing through because i don't want the breakdowns to last more than one day 🫠 been a long time since a season made me cry so much. and especially with mid-season episodes? but it feels more.... hm. calculated. like when i bitched about 4 months suddenly equals 40 years in hell etc.
ranted about it in 9x09 because i don't think i was making my feelings known here for every episode back in s4
instead i just sighed because “trust me, kevin” and “i always end up screwed :)” so now dean’s gonna feel guilty. he’s already feeling guilty enough, did we need that too? when they push too hard on the excessive dean whump, i get annoyed. like the whole 4 months=40 years, i enjoyed torturing people, etc. edgelord bullshit :P
except instead of getting mad about it being edgelord bullshit now, i'm just feeling brokenhearted and manipulated. very not fun times. it's too much too close together to the jack thing and too similar to things they've done in the past, i think. is why it's pushing me away so hard.
dean's nightmare in the box / suicidal deathbed-esque convo also with interstellar-ish music / interstellar cornfield chase (c. hans zimmer) played by anna lapwood on the organ
well. dean's nightmare was awful. shades of him in hell calling out for sam. cannot fucking wait until this particular plotline gets snuffed out. and because i can't deal with not comparing this interstellar-ish music (it's in both spn scenes) i tacked it on to the end of this video too.
SAM Oh, hey. Didn’t mean to wake you. Sorry. DEAN No, it’s just a… bad dream. It’s fine. SAM You want to talk about it? DEAN No, I’m – No, I’m okay. DEAN What’re you doing? Why don’t you get some sleep? SAM You know, Dean, you don’t have to act like what you’re planning to do is just business as usual. I-I know you’re scared. DEAN Never said I wasn’t scared. But it doesn’t matter. SAM Doesn’t matter? We know we could die, uh, doing what we do. It’s always a possibility. But what you’re talking about is far worse than death. Michael’s an archangel. He could literally keep you buried in a coffin, alive, forever. DEAN Okay. I get it. But what’s the other option, huh? Michael gets outta my head and ends the world? ‘Cause it’s all right there in Billie’s book. SAM Yeah, but that’s only if we don’t find another way to take Michael off the board, and there has to be another way. DEAN And what is that other way? [SAM says nothing.] DEAN Exactly.
(but at least he wasn't sleeping in his jeans this time. oh and they're in an actual normal mid-price generic hotel room)
this reminds me a lot of the conversations in s5 about sammy going in the cage.
and like when i was watching the old guard, i'm like ah yes, stuck in a coffin in the ocean drowning over and over because you're immortal - i have heard this story before! on the vampire diaries! someone... stefan?? was stuck in a ...... safe? and pushed into a lake to repeatedly die and revive. 500 years and 3 months, respectively.
well this rando dude torturing and drowning a woman scene, also awful. jesus. we're committing to darker-than-usual i guess
CAS Sam. Maybe if I spoke with Dean… SAM It wouldn’t matter. Believe me, I-I I’ve never seen him like this. He won’t listen to me. H-He just – No. If we don’t find some way… Dean’s gone.
that interstellar-ish music again...
DEAN You ever think about when we were kids? SAM Maybe. Yeah, sure. Sometimes. W-Why? DEAN I know I wasn’t always the greatest brother to you. SAM Dean, you were the one who was always there for me. The only one. I mean, you practically raised me. DEAN I know things got dicey… you know, with dad… the way he was. And I just… I didn’t always look out for you the way that I should’ve. I mean, I had my own stuff, you know. In order to keep the peace, it probably looked like I took his side quite a bit. Sometimes when I was… when I was away, you know it wasn’t ‘cause I just ran out, right? Dad would… he would send me away when I really pissed him off. I think you knew that. SAM Man, I left that behind a long time ago. I had to. And if we’re gonna get through this, I-I have to do like you said and… try and keep my mind off of where we’re going. So, if we could not have conversations that sound like… deathbed apologies, I would really appreciate it. DEAN Right. Yeah.
listen i know this gets resolved somehow and i'm not gonna bail on this fucking project with a little more than a season left but i can't express how much i don't want to watch something that's making me cry so hard my head is killing me (more than it was already) on a regular basis. this is too many things that cut too close to home with characters i'm too attached to. sigh.
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zmediaoutlet · 1 year
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happy wincest wednesday, liz!! why does dean dislike sam's beard in s14?
hello hello happy wincest wednesday -- and ummmmm --
I think the truth is that, at heart, Dean is a wee conservative vanilla pudding. For all that he's on the fringes and is such a "rebel" (loling forever), the hard truth is that he's a lot more normie than not. In the very early seasons when he's trying extra hard to front an aesthetic he's got the ripped jeans and the leather jacket and oh, he sure watched a lot of James Dean movies to try to be so so cool, but... he's a dweeb, man. He submits to authority, he says 'yes ma'am' to older ladies. He's got his leather jacket, sure, but it's a specific kind of leather jacket that fits with a very specific kind of masculinity he's trying very very hard to adhere to. This is not punk and it is not particularly nonconformist. I love the guy but if he ran into anyone with green hair he'd start to sound a little like someone who watches Fox.
So, that's a particularly tough lead-in; sorry Dean-baby. I think he's resigned to Sam's hair at his point but guy-with-long-hair is just really naturally one of those things that guy-who's-conforming-that-hard-to-this-version-of-masculinity has to make fun of. And like, Sam doesn't give a shit. (Actually, I think he grew out his hair initially as rebellion against the whole concept but then ended up liking it, and whatever, it's what his hair looks like now.) Sam's solid.
I don't think Dean objects to beards-qua-beards, especially of the relatively tidy Bobby variety where it's just an aesthetic choice, but I can 100% imagine him objecting to hipster beards -- that is, *new* aesthetic choices born from fashion/trendiness. Does that make sense? No, not particularly, but it doesn't mean it's not something that might be thought, because people are inconsistent and illogical.
In Sam's case -- and I can't remember if this is canon or just headcanon, bear with me -- it's a beard born of distraction because he was too busy burning the candle at both ends and then he went, huh, I have a beard. But when Dean shows up, he jolts from stubbly Sam to bearded-Sam, and it feels like an aesthetic choice, esp as Sam says "some people say I look good." That files it into the 'you are making Fashion Choices' category, and that's a category that Dean's obligated to mock. Sam could've gotten some green hair and I think it'd be the same result. So, Sam shaves -- whether because Dean makes fun of him (unlikely) or because he finally got some goddamn sleep and went, huh, I guess I should take care of this (more likely).
There's someone out there who'd do like pleading-face emoji and go 'aww Dean objected bc Sammy was different and the world just couldn't change that much when he was so stressed, he needed his sammy-wammy's face back ;-; ' -- I am not that person, lol. I like allowing space for people to be petty and dumb and judgmental. You know, like people.
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do you have like. a fic that deals with the soulless jack arc the way u want
Hiii anon this ask absolutely made my day. Very excited to answer this.
Okay so, I don’t have a fic of this but I do have the secret better soulless Jack arc that exists in my head. This originated from me brainstorming it in DMs to @autisticandroids (so there is stuff in here that is from them) around the time I watched the canon version for the first time a couple of months ago. It diverges fairly significantly for 14x16-14x18 and then sticks more closely to canon for 14x19-14x20, but like, the things I've changed mean that those episodes are put in a different light by the time we get to them, and so the main point of this soulless Jack arc is “okay, what actually is the best way to deal with this?” and the answer is compassion!!
(About 2k under the cut)
Obviously, Mary doesn’t die in this au, because it undercuts stuff to the extent that I don’t think it can have been the original plan. That doesn't mean, though, that I'm reverting to the improved soulless Jack arc I think s14 was building to before it got derailed by Mary's death, because that focusses a lot on Dean and Dean & Jack parallels, which isn't really the most interesting to me. This is a very Cas & Jack centric soulless Jack arc, as it should be.
So, the major structural diverging for me starts in 14x16 – in this version, instead of Cas being off screen, him trying to find a way to fix Jack’s soul is the focus of the episode. He gets to have two episodes getting increasingly desperate and probably physically threatening people (because I will forever be mad about the fact that in the entire show he punches 1 (one) car for Jack and that’s it). The idea of this – in addition the fact that Cas’s pov here is the most compelling objectively – is to help to maintain the sense of foreboding re soulless Jack, but also crucially to keep it in the right context of this being specifically something devastating for Jack and people who care about him. The idea of him as a potential ‘threat’ isn’t the point.
Then, I’m a little torn because I do think the s14 Nick stuff is the stupidest writing decision spn ever made, but I do also think Jack killing someone intentionally (as opposed to the stuff with Mary) is an escalation point that makes sense, because like, the issue with soullessness is that his moral reasoning’s off, but with a trustworthy guide he would still be fine! So I think while the emotional core of 14x17 is Cas still trying in vain to find a solution to Jack’s soul, this is the background to salmondean having taken Jack on some kind of motw case, explicitly as a test-drive for him, effectively. So the question the episode is asking – while it becomes increasingly clear that Cas’s mission going to be fruitless – is “is Jack’s soullessness going to be a problem?”, and then when he (well-meaningly!) brutally kills some malevolent civilian and flies off in a panic, we get the answer “apparently yes”.
Okay so NOW we get to my alternate 14x18 which is my favourite bit. In the canon soulless Jack arc, obviously we get Hallucifer 2.0, which I find pretty insulting tbh – I think it smacks of the writers being like “oops! We don’t know how to convey Jack interiority properly so we’re going to make him hallucinate someone to talk to instead!” (From the point of view that Nick’s death was probably meant to be the escalating event rather than Mary’s, this would make slightly more sense as a fossil of that, but it’s still annoying.) SO my solution to this is to convey Jack interiority by co-opting a bunch of other characters to voice his worst fears to him, in a way which escalates the situation, but like, in a way that makes it clear that the situation is being escalated because it’s being handled poorly. We’ve turned this into a Jack character study episode and all of the other characters are tools to serve this goal <3
Firstly, we ideally have a morally dubious ally. Annoyingly, I think Rowena's already too good by this point, and while an Uncle Crowley would be perfect, he has been killed off leaving his slot vacant. Anyway, we have [whoever. A not-dead Aunt Meg would also be great] make a spike btvs “I’m not good but I’m okay” style argument – “it’s fine that you don’t have a soul, you’re just like me and I’m fine”, which is kindly meant but still upsetting to (an already pretty distressed) Jack.
Then we get apocalypse world Bobby, with some other hunters in tow (including non-fridged Mary trying to talk him down), and (in line with the vibe from him at the beginning of 14x19, which was just never followed through on) he’s like “you are just a monster now, and we’re therefore going to kill you”. Which is clearly completely the wrong approach and just escalates things further as it reinforces Jack’s fears about himself and makes him more upset. Jack sends out some sort of shockwave in his panic to get away, and injures a couple of the apocalypse world hunters as well, but not intentionally. By this point he’s so upset that he’s leaving a bit of a trail of destruction in general, and that obviously increases people’s belief that he’s dangerous but like – he’s just distressed! They just need to be kind to him and tell him it’s okay and that they’ll help him!
And then we get to salmondean driving to intercept Jack. Cas is racing back from where he was of trying to fix Jack's soul, but they’re still a lot closer than Cas is, so Cas is begging Dean on the phone like “please please wait till I get there to talk to him. Please.” But Dean’s like “no, we need to sort this out right now” and so he and Sam barrel into the situation without Cas. They try to holy fire ring Jack to contain him while they try to talk him down, which obviously just makes Jack even more upset. (Sam is uncomfortable with this and tries to talk Dean out of it / tries to use waiting for Cas as an excuse, but he does ultimately fall in line.) And then when they’ve got Jack in the holy fire, Dean is taking what he genuinely thinks is a tough love approach of “well you’re not a monster, if you can get this under control” (voicing Jack’s fears to him. We’ve co-opted the avatar of the narrative to serve the end of expressing Jack interiority <3), and Jack’s like “otherwise you’ll kill me?” and Dean’s like “yeah. If I have to”. It eventually escalates to the point that Jack feels so overwhelmed that he is about to give up and just walk through the holy fire, not knowing whether it’s going to hurt him, but just before he does Sam caves and breaks the circle, so we don’t actually know what would have happened, just that he was prepared to do it. Salmondean don’t quite realise what was about to happen, but the audience do.
So we finish 14x18 with Jack still at large, and still upset and therefore out of control, and the crucial takeaway is that all of these attempts to talk him down failed because everyone was making the same misapprehensions about how to help Jack, making Jack’s non-monster status conditional, just feeding into his fear that he can’t avoid being a monster, and the destructive distress it’s resulting its, whereas Cas’s approach would have been “no you’re not a monster, and I’m going to help you” which is why it’s the only one that would have worked.
Then, when we get to 14x19, escalating to trapping Jack in the box makes more sense, because they have already tried talking to him. At the same time, the audience knows that trapping him in the box is still the wrong approach, because Cas's compassion that he didn't get to exercise is still in clear contrast to all of the other failed approaches. The Dumah stuff in this episode probably gets replaced by something where Jack has a little more agency, because the point is “yeah he might do dubious stuff in a well-meaning way without a guide, but if he is looked after he’s fine", so it makes sense to show him doing some well-meaning 'bad things' – having stuff that he's purely manipulated into is a little dull.
In addition to the fact that salmondean wanting to trap Jack in the box makes more sense in this version, because Sam let Jack out of the holy fire ring, Dean can leverage Sam’s ~responsibility in whatever chaos Jack has causes since, to persuade him to go along with the box plan, so the character dynamics make a little more sense there. Also obviously, removing the revenge motive that comes from Jack having killed Mary makes Dean come off as less callously vindictive, and more (very poorly, but still) trying to deal with this very difficult situation. Like, he's still not behaving particularly sympathetically, and he has fallen back pretty quickly into his earlier ways of viewing Jack, but it's much more earned, and less "woah! Where did that come from?!" than in canon 14x19. Another thing that's fixed by Jack not having killed Mary is that he looks much less gullible for being tricked into the box, as opposed to the canon portrayal of which is sublty ooc in a really insulting way.
And then, like in canon, Cas is away while all this is happening, and stuff plays out pretty much the same when he returns, except that Dean tries to physically restrain him from going to get Jack from the box, and Cas shoves him out of the way, because I do have an agenda re the angel and (here, very mild, but still) violence in defence of his child <3
For Moriah, the actual Jack stuff can play out pretty much the same (but of course with the prevailing sense that "no, Dean is wrong to think he has to kill Jack! Cas will be able to sort it!"), only obviously Chuck doesn’t kill Jack. This is for several reasons: 1) Chuck killing Jack is a massive cop-out in that it avoids dealing with the repercussions of Dean nearly killing Jack, which is lazy, boring writing; 2) if the point of this rewritten soulless Jack arc is “what is the solution? Is there an alternative to trapping/killing him?” we need him to survive so that we can see that the solution would have worked, have the cruel approaches refuted; 3) for there to have been something gained from all this, the arc needs to conclude with Cas leaving with Jack. Cas has had major revelations re the situation his child would be in continuing to live at the bunker, and also been shown the extent to which his drive to take care of Jack differs from Sam and Dean's, both of which are reasons for him to realise that he does need to step up as Jack’s parent, in order to do right by Jack, the way he wants to. Like, Cas has learned stuff from this, and he should get to act on it, rather than just having his child killed in front of him. Also, I get a real kick out of getting to say to the audience “look, only one of these three can reasonably be considered Jack’s parent after all that! It's only Cas!”
Not sure what really happens after that. Certainly I am super enamoured with the whole “Cas caring for soulless Jack” vibe – it compels me greatly. I also have in the back of my mind a character-stuff-masked-as-lore solution which could happen either instead of or following that, where Cas sacrifices his grace to fix Jack’s soul, and then Jack is able to restore Cas’s grace via giving him a little of his own (given it’s turbocharged nephilim juice), and it doesn’t give Cas angel terminal illness this time specifically because it’s the grace of his son. Like, their chosen relationship being recognised metaphysically in a way that resolves the situation.
Anyway crucially, the soulless Jack arc has been rewritten so that the instead of the clumsy canon version, the focus is “what does it truly mean for him to be soulless? How do we resolve this situation?” and the answer is that while his moral reasoning is a little out of whack, he does still mean well, and we can resolve things by being kind and having his dad take care of him <3
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franklespine · 4 months
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Ok lowkey why am I actually having a grand old time watching s14 rn. I think it's because at this point they have truly embraced the campyness and I enjoy a bit of sillyness. Like, in terms of the later seasons of supernatural there are certain chunks that I have enjoyed. I loved the start of s11 (yes mainly because of Sam's visions that he thinks are from god - sue me), didnt like the end of it so much tho. s12... had some moments, like I actually found the crazy child soldier conditioning of the BMOL interesting but that wasnt really a big thing. And obviously I loved sam torture time in the first two episodes - he thinks he's lost everything, nothing to live for and he's still crawling through the think of it. I LOVED the start of s13 with its sam, dean, jack nuclear family - all of them barely hanging on to their will to live - fantastic. The ending was...... something that happened..... and now ngl s14 has had the most episodes consistently that I've very much enjoyed. Idk like sure is it like a whacked parody of supernatural?? sure but it's fun. And has its fair share of juicy and intriguing character dilemmas going on. Sam running himself ragged, barely sleeping trying to create a safe hunting network. Dean not being an asshole and having Michael on lockdown in his head 24/7 banging away like damn. Cas and his Empty deal which means the second he experiences a moment of true happiness he's going to be taken??? Jesus. Jack and his constant uphill climb trying to be useful, then having this payoff being his soul to use his powers - and then he EATS Michael?? Crazy. Maybe I'm just easily entertained. Only question is literally where are they going to go from here?? I'm like 3/4 the way through and Michael's been eaten by Jack so like.... where is this going to go now??? Like sure Nick I guess but he's just some whackjob guy. You may be thinking how have you avoided this many spoilers for something that came out ages ago, and I mean I did know broadly some things that were going to happen in the series as a whole but I genuinely have no idea where s14 goes from here in the slightest. Also I had zero interaction with this show in the slightest until 2 months ago. Guess I get obsessed quickly lmao.
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michaelmilligan · 2 years
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I was tagged by @magickastiel! You don’t know what you brought onto you. XD
Rules: post the names of all the files in your WIP folder regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Let people send you an ask with the title that most intrigues them, and then post a little snippet of it or tell them something about it! And then tag as many people as you have WIPs. I have deemed that this isn’t just for writing either. Sketch titles? Comics? DnD campaigns? If you have an unfinished project, it counts!!
Look. I already sorted out a bunch of documents that are effectively abandoned. I mean, some of the following I also haven’t touched in a year or two, but. I MIGHT continue them! Ya know.
So, um. I HAVE mentioned before that I have way too many WIPs, right? Right??? Anyway. Putting this under a cut because... well.
- Midam - Post 15x19 fix-it
- 10 years AU
- ABO catboy Cas
- ABO nesting
- age difference
- App AU
- archangel drabble
- baby Jack truthing
- bluejay Cas
- bodyswap AU
- Cage AU
- canondivergent Midam AU
- deaged Castiel
- deaged Dean
- deaged Dean’s soul
- double date Casmick Midam AU
- dragon AU
- Fairy in the couple resort
- fantasy AU King and Prince
- first time before the apocalypse
- GarthBessBenny - finale fix-it and all that
- half-demon Cas AU
- healer angel Cas
- Human!Cas
- love shot
- Midam - mafia AU
- Midam - rockstar AU
- Midam Bridgerton AU
- Midam highschool AU
- Midam Jane Austen AU
- Midam royal AU
- Midam why do I keep writing fix-it fics... I mean we all know why but... Help...
- Midam witch and familiar AU
- Midam yet another canondivergent AU
- Midam_Midamoul - follow up to sci fi AU drabble
- Profound bondage (Best friends BDSM AU)
- Royal AU (Companionable)
- S14 Midam AU my beloved
- S15 canondivergent Midam AU
- Sabriel fake dating and all that
- teacher!Cas AU
- wings wings wings
- reunion AU
- SPN SGA AU
- Spellwork
(Most of the WIPs that don’t have another ship name in it are Destiel AUs btw... I had a phase lol. I also found a couple docs with stories that are finished but that I never uploaded anywhere. Maybe I’ll do that at some point. They’re not in the list, since they’re not WIPs, strictly speaking.)
(Yes, these are all the actual document titles, except that I removed “SPN” from most of them because. Yeah. This is all SPN. No surprise there. XD) (I also have like. One YGO WIP. No, you do not want to know.)
Okay, so. I will NOT tag as many people as I have WIPs. :D
 Ummm... @paradisecas @jumptheshark @ckneal only if you want. :D
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thebiggestmenace · 3 months
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yippee! yippee!
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hehe
BECKY! gonna be completely honest with you, I forgot about her
Bobby :(((( oh, he's a demon :/
NEW MEG!!!!!
Bobby doesn't die this season. right? I mean, surely not.
knowing Destiel gets confirmed at the end, Misha did nothing to hide that. he wanted them together lmao
this is the season everyone dies, isn't it.
hehe old Dean
omg AND the sitcom episode????
AND the first annual spncon????
AND Crowley???? this is 4 in a row, my man!!!
wait. isn't that the last time they're all together like that? *
*yes. the answer is yes. that shit hurted.
PUDDING!!! totally forgot about this episode
Sarah Drew??? I didn't know you were in here!
TEAM FREE WILL!!!!!
KIM RHODES!!!! I've been wondering when she was gonna show up!!!
and we get to see heaven for the first time!!! I think this episode is important for the show finale? so wanted to document it hehe
and he got rid of the amulet?? I forgot about that :((((
"I found a liquor store. And I drank it." been waiting for this one, boys!!!
Dean's about to say yes, isn't he?
not Gabriel :(
I forgot about Crowley's sass omg this is so fun :D
wait, does Bobby actually sell his soul? /does Crowley give it back, if he does?
mmm the big reveal of Death has always fascinated me
dude, saying goodbye through the car??? I forgot about that, man :( I think I even wrote it down at some point?
omg I forgot about assbutt!!!
ouchie
another one down, 10 more to go!! I both liked this season and hated it. so many good episodes, but so much Ow. onto the next one :)
s1, s2, s3, s4, s5, s6, s7, s8, s9, s10, s11, s12, s13, s14, s15
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maipareshaan · 11 months
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Okay i was not supposed to wank, but anyways last time, there is this way of watching spn where esp Deangirls are obsessed with hating John and also they feel like they are being not heard, like the narrative isn't being fair by being John apologetic and this makes them frustrated bcz they are woke and others are dumb and also child abuse supporters and they just aren't getting narrative satisfaction.
Also again sorry but i only wank as a reactionary wanker and i am just very reactionary about these positivity blogs trying to make fandom better that are just delusional, anyways i am probably an awful person to have in fandom due to my negative rancid aura so i do not claim to be making it better but in anycase my issue here is the weird positivity culture creation while scapegoating factions and imposing subjectivity and having no self-awareness about it.
Anyways ya...John, like i just don't care much and am very neutral about my feelings, keyword feelings, cuz its not about what takes you have, its about how much of an obsessed wanker you are, like i just don't feel the need to announce how he needs to die and go to hell esp when you know...he did...like that happened, and if i were to feel sad for Dean and Sam's childhood it will be momentarily, and if i am to be negative about someone like Dean or Sam or Cas (which really i am not about anything) ideally i should get its my problem, doesn't make these feelings nonexistent but ofcourse its better to take things lightly, you know like you should with John, but that's not what they do is it, its such a weird wanky take on crit.
If you want to be negative about him be negative but its not the savage flex you people think it is to say every deancrit and every samcrit is just johncrit. Like yes your childhood affects you deeply like not a hot take most people get it but again its this weird negativity crit thing like what does it even mean, what is the criteria of doing media right and why does it not apply to John and why can one not have takes and feelings about a character and must reroute them to 'ya its John's fault' bcz that's what you want, you want to see no negativity about Dean, you want to control feelings around it and you want it rerouted to John, bcz that's what you do and people can watch and consume things the way they want to, which if they don't want to obsess over how everything Dean and Sam do is cuz daddy issues and so they have no actual negative traits and if they don't have strong constant negative feelings for a character, then they can do that, they are not dumb and evil, its literally you who doesn't have the braincapacity to get that people can have range in how they view characters that isn't rerouting all their feelings to the dad or having severe negative feelings for the dad. Its fine. If you have an issue with this culture of Dean bashing, i get it, but you can't control it with haha dumb people don't know psychology cuz everything you do is your dad's fault and thus dean has no negative traits or actions you and have to have intense hatred and no sympathy for John and never have negative feelings for Dean.
Also its a family tragedy and John is included in it, by the show, i get not liking that s14 ep or whatever but also its not actually unrealistic to acknowledge what your dad did and then be apologetic about it, and it would make less sense for them to be confrontational about it when the love and pain and the knowledge of how rigged things were is there. So what are you even whining about? Declarations not being given when we know by flashbacks and by their actions? A personally satisfactory confrontation that would not make sense? You genuinely think Cas killing John infront of Dean is the genius fix it? The Cas that barely protects his son from Dean? Whining that John is in heaven and how Dean is not with Jack who he treated like that bcz writers and circumstances and John and so its so tragic?
Like again literally feel and like and be compelled the way you want, and i do think some people get too cruel with characters ahem but ya you are not making the point you think you are with have no negative takes and feelings for anyone besides John. Its also literally not that deep, people are hateful and negative about characters usually due to projection and personal feelings and this ranges, like i could have the exact same take as someone about a character but have different feelings or different intensity of feelings.
The point should literally be that your feelings are your own problem, if you feel slighted by something like John, people are going to get slighted by something like well Dean, and then i guess you can discourse away about how noone is the A word but also what if someone is then what? What if Sam is really abusive or Dean is really abusive bcz clearly John is abusive and deserves hate and crit? What if a show has an abusive lead so then can you hate him? Is it now hate is it now okay to hate is it now crit is it now doing media right? Also literally his dad gave him issues means nothing when you talk about someone and who they are and what they did, it can explain it sure, like that's just not how it works, how is it an own? What kind of nonsense is this?
Like what is the point of 'like what i like and hate what i hate'. Again i do think ideally people should not take things srsly at all, but ppl have feelings, that's the whole problem, and the point is to expect people to manage them well and that includes not acting like someone not feeling the way you do is an evil idiot.
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