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queeenpersephone · 1 year
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‘the truth is out there... but so are lies’ is honestly, to me, the most impactful moment of the entire x files series, and definitely the most impactful in terms of the quest. because mulder wants to believe so badly - he’d trust anyone, listen to anyone, follow any lead - though ‘you make me a whole person’ is a romantic overture, it also represents how mulder is only half of the investigative team. he wants the truth by searching for the truth. scully, on the other hand, tries to find the truth by searching for the lie. the lies that mulder has been told, the lies of everyone who isn’t mulder, the one person she trusts. the government’s lies. diana’s lies. and the way he stops, listens to her, and says ‘thank you’ before doing what he’s going to do anyways? i think you could read that response as flippant, but to me it’s genuine. he says thank you because he’s not going to change. his stubbornness and willingness to believe in spite of everything and everyone against him is his best and worst trait. he’s going to do what he does, especially this early in the series, no matter what scully says. but he’s going to listen. he’s going to thank her for looking for deception, because it’s not just discovering the truth that will move them forward - it’s also discovering the lies. 
narratively, i love that scully says this in s1. i think this is something that it takes the whole original series to really sink in for mulder. that the more they search, the more murky things are instead of clearer. you can sink your entire life into this impenetrable mask of truths and lies. but the truths and lies out there might be bigger but will never be as meaningful, as mulder finally realizes in s8, as the truth they both know. anyways tldr frank spotniz was right
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actual-changeling · 1 month
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haii i see you’re x files posting and i was wondering about your thoughts on the episode “never again.” it’s one of my favs but i do think it’s a little funny that scully still doesn’t have a desk after this episode like ok 😭
i think it was never really about the desk. if she had actually wanted one, she would have gotten herself one/asked mulder to get her one wayyyyy earlier.
there's a lot going on in her head by "never again" (pun intended), and she's probably
a) struggling to feel in control of her own life
b) feeling like she hasn't left a 'mark', something to remember her by.
combine that with mulder being in a bad mood because the bureau is forcing him to take some vacation days with his worry for scully (because he knows her, he knows something is wrong but she isn't telling him what and that terrifies him) and you get a petty argument about the desk.
scully wanting a desk, making that comment about him not being her superior, the mess that was her trip to philadelphia—she's drowning and reaching for anything that might help her float.
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i think scully assumed that maybe if she gets some distance from mulder that her sense of self will become more stable again, and while it definitely did something, it didn't come close to fixing the problems she had.
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it's not about the desk—which he knew the entire time, this is just him making sure he got it right—and this is mulder's attempt to reconnect with scully. but at that point, they were NOT ready to have the kind of relationship discussion this sentence would have led them to.
SO in short: scully never wanted her own desk or she would have gotten it. fighting/arguing about the desk just gave them a playing field so they wouldn't have to confess too much or become too vulnerable.
their arguments are seldom about the topic they're arguing about and almost always about an aspect of their relationship they refuse to acknowledge out loud.
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unremarkablehouse · 2 months
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Let’s Eat
I love that there’s this ongoing bit in The X Files where Scully will see pick food when most people would be turned off by it.
The cows have been treated with some mysterious growth hormones and there’s a vegetarian cult, let’s eat ribs Mulder!
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Killer cockroaches? No, just chocolates that fell on the floor. Why would Scully eat floor chocolate though?! 5 second rule I guess.
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Scully’s just found out the chickens are being fed ground up chicken remains and the plant had several citations, so how about fried chicken for dinner?
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Nothing like picking your pizza topping from the stomach contents of a corpse.
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After experiencing bee induced Mulder interruptus you think Scully would be put off by bee products.
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I don’t know if I got all of them, but I love that Mulder just goes along with it.
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cecilysass · 3 months
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I always think the question with MSR isn’t so much who fell first or fell harder—mainly because I personally think it was pretty simultaneous / parallel—but rather who became self-aware about their feelings first.
In my take on this ship, they may well have gone years without fully admitting to themselves how they felt, or fully addressing the feelings head on. They were so distracted by the work and the Truth and the heady emotional power of Partnership and Trust. It was just really possible for them to stay in denial, these two characters in particular.
I tend to think Mulder faced the music first—that he was the first to accept the feelings weren’t platonic. Maybe I think that because he’s the believer, or he’s a doomed Romantic in a big R sense. I could see this realization coming as early as Scully’s abduction, but it could have been as late as Never Again or the cancer arc, too.
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But I think @randomfoggytiger might argue it was Scully who understood her feelings first and waited for him to get his act together. I can be convinced of this, too, especially in fanfic. In The End, Scully has to have some awareness when she is stewing over Diana in that car. That could be her first realization, although it could have been earlier, too.
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I listened to the XF Diaries podcast’s recent interview with Frank Spotnitz, and he talked about how he viewed Mulder and Scully in season 6 and the FTF near-kiss. He said they didn’t talk about it because they both thought it was something they shouldn’t have been doing. He said the show couldn’t spell it out for the audience because the characters didn’t have their own feelings figured out.
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I thought that was striking, thinking about how all the way as late as season 6 the 1013 writers imagined them in this state of not fully realized feelings. I do get frustrated with this kind of talk because it seems so disembodied and unrealistic. I mean, six years, and they haven’t thought seriously about this?
But … also I admit to kind of liking this really repressed version of MSR. This version of MSR that just can’t get its shit together to admit what is happening. In other words, they aren’t exactly pining. They are more just in massive mutual denial. Fingers in ear, nah, nah, nah, I can’t hear you, no feelings here. That does make dialogue in season 6 episodes like Rain King and HTGSC and Milagro seem especially tense and loaded and fun.
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And I do like fanfic that depicts them being forced to come out of denial; it’s much rarer than fanfic with one or both of them consciously pining. I mean, please. Do not mistake me. I like the pining fanfic very much, too, and I write it more. It’s just interesting to think about.
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sunflowernyx · 2 months
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I keep having thoughts about Scully's immortality, because it's always sort of brought up as an afterthought. It's just an observation from Bruckman here, or Mulder mentioning the doctors were astonished at her recovery rate, or Scully herself joking about it in s10, but... 2's a coincidence and 3's a pattern, and Carter is well.. Carter so....
What if Scully's immortality plays in with Mulder's reincarnation?
Mulder is cursed to reincarnate until he gets it right, and Scully is now able to be there until he does.
But more than that...
Mulder suggests that "death finds you when you look for its opposite".
And I don't think that is about life. Because the character that was cursed with immortality was cursed because he turned his face away from the sufferings of others, from a person who cared for him when he was in pain. He rejected her pain and her death, callously, heartlessly, and so death cursed him.
And the moment he wanted to save someone, Scully; the moment he cared enough to not wish death upon them, and looked straight at her as she was shot, wished for her to have his gift, not so he could die, but so she would survive, death transferred the curse to Scully.
Even in mythology (and I think we can assume that Carter knows his mythology by now), the opposite of death isn't life. It's love.
The opposite to Thanatos is Eros
So if Mulder has to get it right to lose his reincarnation curse, and Scully has to look for [love] to die, then their solution would be each other. What they would've been searching for always would've been each other. The truth would be their love for each other.
So maybe together they'd be able to clasp hands and cross that final boundary of reason, and I think that is beautiful in a way that is also deeply tragic.
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carefulfears · 1 year
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rewatching early txf and seeing mulder and scully when they are so young and so enamored with each other is so heavy…they are so excited to have met each other and they are going to go through so much together…they are going to lose their entire families together. they are going to lose time and autonomy and health together. they are going to live together and die together and nearly die together and never die together. they are going to have and lose a child together, and see that loss in each other for the rest of their lives. they are going to look to each other anyway, for everything, and say things like “i’m always happy to see you” and “always happy to find a reason” even at their most distant and estranged. she doesn’t know it then, but running out into the rain after him in bellefleur will be the end of the life that she imagined for herself. she doesn’t know it then, but it will lead to the loss of her safety and her family and her career and her children. and when she does know all of those things, she says “i would do it all over again.” she says “i wouldn’t change a day.” she says “i don’t begrudge you any of those things.” she says “i want to remember how it all was.” and if she could do it all over again, she would still chase him into the rain and laugh when he said that aliens were summoning the kids to the forest and ask him where they were going next and follow to wherever the answer was. because they would rather do this life together than do any other apart.
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agent-troi · 2 months
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scully and mulder's dynamic visibly changes after the onset of the season of secret sex
i've been thinking about how dd and ga deliberately played season 7 like mulder and scully were sleeping together, and i think there's solid evidence of that in the differences in how scully reacts to mulder appearing to show interest in another woman before and after the season of secret sex begins (i'm using millennium as the before/after divider bc i think that's what dd and ga decided, but this is based on my vague memory of a reddit comment about it which is how i first learned that the season of secret sex was a thing)
so overall there's an undercurrent of insecurity, borne of scully's uncertainty regarding precisely how mulder feels about her and what her place is in the hierarchy of things that are important to him in his life, that exists in the pre-millennium incidents and is glaringly absent post-millennium:
before millennium:
(i'm not gonna include phoebe/fire here bc i don't think scully's awareness of her feelings had yet risen to the point where she'd be truly jealous, i'd characterize her in that ep as largely protective of mulder and unwilling to let him deal with phoebe's games alone. it also helps that he's clearly not happy phoebe is back in his life again, unlike his much more positive reaction to diana)
war of the coprophages- the second scully finds out about bambi, she immediately hops in her car and drives up to miller's grove to join mulder, bc letting him investigate cockroaches alone was fine but god forbid he spend quality time investigating an x-file with an attractive female scientist who isn't herself- that's their thing!!
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syzygy- to be fair the planetary alignment situation was exacerbating her- and mulder's- behavior here, but her jealousy of and hostility to detective white were still real, even if she would've been able to rein in her emotions better under normal circumstances.
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diana fowley arc- i think this speaks for itself, lol
alpha- this is an interesting period in their relationship: after most of the diana shit is over, but before the tension between them is fully resolved (a process which to me begins with milagro/the unnatural and ends with amor fati, but that would be its own post lol).
other than introducing himself to karin as "fox" (maybe as a way to appeal to her preference for canids lol) and thus implicitly giving her permission to call him by his first name (which she proceeds to do throughout the episode), mulder doesn't seem to show much in the way of attraction to her.
even when he touches her hand to move the mouse, he's more interested in what's on the screen than in paying attention to her:
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karin, however, is visibly affected by the contact, a fact which scully immediately notices:
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later in the car, they have this convo, the last line of which is so heavily laden with diana subtext it's not even funny:
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scully's reaction to karin is similar to her reaction to phoebe in that she's motivated mainly by wanting to protect mulder from his own naive, trusting nature, and from someone she believes is seeking to take advantage of it, rather than being motivated primarily by jealousy and defensiveness. she doesn't really believe that karin is a genuine threat to her relationship with mulder, but with diana still fresh in her memory she can't afford to not be vigilant. hence why she confronts karin alone later:
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here scully demonstrates that she somewhat empathizes with karin (mulder is also someone who challenges her, makes her feel fulfilled and happy and alive). karin's response indicates that she has correctly deduced the basis of scully's dislike/distrust of her, and also acknowledges scully is the dominant one as it relates to the territory (mulder) that they are sparring over.
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scully looks away at karin's "feminine wiles" comment, revealing the nagging insecurity about her place in mulder's life that diana's arrival exacerbated and that will continue to plague her until amor fati.
after millennium:
rush- when mulder looks back at chastity in the hallway, scully's reaction is to possessively grab mulder's sleeve and pull him away into the interrogation room:
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and his response is to laugh and say "what?" like he doesn't know he belongs to her and only her.
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keep in mind this happens just before they interrogate tony reed, and right after they finish interrogating him this shit happens:
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i already made a post last week about how insanely flirty they are in this episode, but this scene!!
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she's pouting and giving him big doe eyes and playing with his tie!! at work!! in public!! she feels comfortable staking her territory in such an obvious way (also playful rather than hostile) bc she's not longer insecure about her place in his life!! i can never be normal about this i'm sorry ssdfgksdgsjdkfhkjsdf
first person shooter- when mulder checks out jade blue afterglow as she's leaving, he leans so far over in such an obvious, exaggerated way, almost as if he's deliberately trying to get a rise out of scully, but all she does is raise her eyebrows at him and lean over to block his view (while smirking):
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and then he says he's "feeling the great need to blast the crap out of something", an almost direct quote of scully's line from their convo in the autopsy room right before they went down to the station:
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and her response is to SMILE at him!!
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pre-millennium scully would absolutely not have reacted this way in this situation. just like in rush, the insecurity that previously haunted scully whenever mulder seemed to be close to or interested in another woman is utterly absent here. they're joking and teasing and enjoying each other's company like they've always done, but there's a different dimension to it now. pre-millennium mulder would never have made a show of checking out another woman like that right in front of scully (unless a planetary alignment is affecting his behavior ofc lol), and pre-millennium scully would never have found it amusing.
(side note: people were debating on twitter a while back about whether this scene was ooc for mulder, and tbh i'm not sure what my own opinion is bc to me the whole episode has an air of... unreality? idk but it gives me similar vibes to post-modern prometheus, like maybe it's real or maybe it's just someone telling a story or it's somewhere in between, and it's also got that same unserious feel idk how else to describe it)
anyway, back to my main point, which is: dd and ga are damn good actors in the way they were able to subtly telegraph this shift in mulder and scully's dynamic. one might be able to argue that the insane flirting throughout season 7 isn't by itself evidence of the season of secret sex bc on some level they've always been like that, but to me these specific interactions provide important clues that the nature of their relationship has changed.
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capablebee · 4 months
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“The Gift” is so annoying to me because they had Mulder back on set and in front of the camera but not with Scully (there isn’t enough scenes with them together with Scully season 9 hair TM) , criminal!
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I mean look at her 👁️👁️😍🤌
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gaycrouton · 1 year
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I think it’s so symbolic that the first and last lines we ever hear Mulder’s mother speak are delivered at a distance over a telephone whereas Scully’s mother’s first and last lines are spoken in moments where she is surrounded by her family.
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I sympathize with Teena Mulder’s trauma, but it’s evident her silent resignation at their situation versus Mulder’s relentless pursuit caused them to drift. Even in the scenes we get of them physically together, while they love each other, there was always something in the way.
Conversely, the most important thing for Maggie Scully was having her family close. In her first appearance, she’s encouraging Bill to connect with Scully, and in her final one, she wants to talk to her estranged son and reveals she still thinks about her lost grand baby.
I don’t say this to pit Teena against Maggie, they both lost children and were severely impacted by it. It’s just find the symbolism (intentional or not) fascinating.
The same can be said for their fathers*.
In their respective fathers’* first appearances, both Mulder and Scully instigate a hug, and while Scully’s is warmly received, Mulder is coldly rebuffed with a handshake.
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In their final moments, we see Bill Scully lamenting about his love for his daughter, while Bill Mulder* is too little too late.
*All for Mulder to find out his real father is the man he hates above all else, and he was the only one who didn’t know.
It’s poignant that the man who grew up held at arms length was destined to be with the woman who yearns to wholly embrace the ones she loves.
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that--funny--feeling · 2 months
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CSM and how the lies destroyed the Mulder family: a headcanon
I have a complicated and maybe personal image of CSM that to me makes more sense than whatever they tried to do with his character (since they changed minds so many times).
The focal points of his character are his envy, obsession with control and inability to love.
I think he really envied what Mulder Sr. had with his family, even before Fox and Samantha were born. He had a wife who loved him and above all he did his same job (more or less) but that hadn't turned him evil or selfless. I like to think of William Mulder Sr. as a decent and kind person, at least when he was younger.
Obviously, his life wasn't perfect and he and Teena probably fought a lot because of the secrecy of his work. I think that was the real first struggle about the truth that the Mulder family had (1°). Bill couldn't be honest with his wife about what he was doing and that created a distance. CSM may have taken advantage of this situation, growing closer to Teena maybe while Bill wasn't there for her.
Deep down in the headcanon tunnel from now on, I like to think Teena and CSM didn't have an affair but just a one night thing. Teena probably never forgave herself for that night and never told Bill about it (2°). Bill never asked, but understood what happened (3°).
At this point, CSM wants to have a relationship with her, but she refuses him and just wants to forget what happened. He's insistent and she starts hating him.
Soon after, Teena and Bill's relationship gets better and Fox comes into this world. Now. I'm not sure what to believe (pun intended) on CSM's being his father. Because, in this logic, he could but so could Bill. Surely CSM thought to be Fox's father and thought to have rights on him, no matter what Teena could say about it.
CSM marries Cassandra, they have Jeffrey, he tries to have what Mulder Sr. has but doesn't work. He can't love. His wife starts hating him, his son is a delusion for him. In the meanwhile, Samantha Mulder is born.
When the time of the abductions is closer, Bill and Teena get to choose which one of their children to "sacrifice" (4°). They painfully indicate Fox, because he's older and stronger, but CSM don't even give them the luxury of the choice. Fox is his son, so Samantha will go. That's the moment where the Mulder family irremediably shutters. Teena divorces Bill and Fox will never know anything about this from his family (5°).
Maybe after the abductees' return, CSM goes to Teena, offering her a possible life with him (this could be why he took Samantha and she wasn't returned). She doesn't believe him and swears to never talk to him again.
Samantha starts living with CSM, he has now what Mulder Sr. had, but again, he can't love. She understands that he constantly lies to her and hates him, so she quickly becames useless to him and he uses her for experiments.
His fixation on the Mulders keeps going, because he thinks Fox is his son, but above all because he likes him as a person. He challenges him, has a goal, a conviction, doesn't care what the others think about him. Maybe he thinks they are similar and that's why he sometimes protects him. But again, he doesn't know what love is, so if there's something more important, he's ready to sacrifice him.
He thinks he knows Mulder and tries to get him on his side more than once, but he fails. Mulder was loved and is loved, he knows what love means, he's kind and decent, even more than his father William.
He thinks he knows Scully because of his own past, but he understands nothing about her or their relationship, because it's the complete opposite of what he's ever experienced. ("You'd die for Mulder but you won't allow yourself to love him" he says to Scully in En Ami, while they're already in a relationship.) And he lies, lies, lies, the thing that made him advance in his life. At the cost of love.
What could really have saved the Mulder family, was the truth, that will become Fox's reason of life. If Teena told Bill about her moment of weekness, if he ever asked her instead of acting like nothing ever happened, there could have been hope. Hope to forgive, to go on. But what they did was the opposite, letting Fox enter in these net of lies. Hiding everything from him "for his own good". But that's not what he wanted and accepted ("The truth will save you, Scully. I think it'll save both of us").
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thatfragilecapricorn30 · 11 months
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thoughts while rewatching triangle:
mulder is straight bonkers for just sailing the bermuda triangle looking for a ghost ship.
scully's queen anne counterpart is dancing with an older man, no surprise there lol.
scully running around the fbi unhinged, trying to save mulder's ass, is my favorite thing ever. the people in the hallways and elevators all look like they've seen this many times before.
never thought scully had sexual tension with skinner or spender, but i kinda felt it in this ep! (weird to say)
the continuous takes are just so cool.
"because you're the only one who can save this ship" - yeah she is!
mulder and scully running through the hallways holding hands, my beloved.
scully waited a long time before hitting mulder during that kiss. don't blame her though!
skinner just throwing the flowers on the side table lmao.
"but you believed me" -- love the parallel to folie a deux. i feel like i could write an essay on this - scully is the skeptic, but she believes in mulder in any timeline.
and of course, hearing mulder say "i love you" to scully still makes me so happy.
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amplifyme · 11 months
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Apropos of nothing, I think this might be my favorite line in Syzygy. Mulder to Detective White, about Scully: "She tends to be rather rigid, but rigid in a wonderful way."
Which is nicely reflected in his comment to Diana in The End: "She’s a scientist. She just makes me work for everything."
And then again in Fight the Future: "As difficult and as frustrating as it's been sometimes, your goddamned strict rationalism and science have saved me a thousand times over! You've kept me honest. You've made me a whole person."
Unfortunately, as happens with many couples finding their way over rocky terrain, Scully is aware of this and interprets it to mean that she can never be anything else for Mulder, that this is all he needs from her, and to veer from that path means risking everything. It's all she knows how to be for him.
That's why S6 is so fraught with angst. Because while this is one reason why Mulder can't imagine his life without Scully, it's only part of why she makes him whole, and why he loves her. But she has such a hard time accepting that he loves her in all her contradictions, too. And it's not until she realizes that, and allows herself to doubt and question and admit to the possibilities, that she finally gets out of her own way and discovers the truth.
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scullyswifey · 7 months
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Example of Mulder's self-deprication in Small Potatoes
Everyone knows and remembers the infamous almost kiss between fake!Mulder and Scully in Small Potatoes, just another bane of every MSR fan's existence. What's even more intriguing to me is the scene on which the episode ends. That short conversation while walking down the prison corridor in which Mulder in seemingly petty jealousy tells Scully that he is no Eddie van Blundht either when she tells him he isn’t a loser. On first thought it does seem like a simple joke, something superificial. But it actually tells us a lot about Mulder himself and how his reaction rather stems from self-hatred than anything else. Which makes it just another perfect example of his fucked up perception of his own character.
While the almost kiss, which most likely had turned into an actual one if Mulder hadn't barged in, counts as irrefutable proof that if he ever were to pursue Scully she would reciprocate, he doesn't see it as such. Though the scene and it's conclusion seemed clear to us, his view on it is warped through the lense of his perceived worthlessness, which leads him to believe it couldn't possibly become true. He blames it on her dying, leaving her vulnerable and more likely to give in to the advances of fake!Mulder. Though Mulder wasn't present for any part of the conversation and therefore will never actually know what took place (let's be real, Scully would never talk about this ever again), he likely seems to believe that she was seduced by fake!Mulder's sweet-talking. As Scully mentions both have never talked much outside of work and through previous episodes we know that they are notoriously bad at talking things out, if at all. So even if he were to pursue her, he thinks he would never find the right words to even begin to explain what she means to him. Ultimately he would fail since he is himself, which is not enough in his eyes.
Another example of this form of cognitive distortion: Others have been reacting and complementing positively on Mulder’s appearance mutliple times in the past (i.e. in Humbug he is made out to be conventionally attractive and now being called good-looking more than once by Eddie himself), yet he is the one beginning to be insecure about his nose in Sanguinarium. Showcasing that no matter the amount of compliments or person to deliver them, he will deflect it. The focus on appearance is superficial here, but we have a lot of direct examples of it in the show and it will no doubt extend to compliments regarding his personality as well.
We find many details of Mulder's self-deprication through the episode, but this one peaked my interest. Not only because it is the first time that it is directly linked to a situation that leaves no ambiguity about it's romantic intent (which is very rare as MSR fans know), but also because I nearly dismissed it as something completely different. It probably is intended to sound casual, making it easier for Scully to brush it off as a joke. But it actually reveals so much about the hurt that Mulder carries and tries to hide. The biggest one being that he thinks he will never be good enough for his Scully.
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unremarkablehouse · 4 months
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We all talk about the neck rubbing scene in Ice, but I think we need to appreciate Scully crash tackling Bear after he smashes the glass over Mulder’s head. This little 5ft flying squirrel gets filled with Mamma Bear strength and taking down a large man with psychosis after he attacks her Mulder.
I also love that Mulder is always impressed/grateful/proud whenever Scully takes someone down. He doesn’t pout and act emasculated, he is just like ‘that’s my partner…’
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deathsbestgirl · 5 months
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my posts: mulder + scully relationship
the way they talk to each other
stops & starts
one breath quotes
courage & safety to believe
txf s6 believer/skeptic roles
mulder's gentleness with scully
tfwid/soul mates
different interpretations
scully's abduction/teena mulder
distance/silence after cancer arc
hope
mulder's affection
sex/priority
relationship foundations
revival/msr journey
mulder as scully's conduit (iconicscullyoutfits linked)
scully knows mulder (re:her abduction)
on their attraction
mulder didn't want to like scully
unfolding like a flower
poor (verbal) communication
scully + cannibalism
msr isn't toxic
the way they look at each other
gazing/intimacy
shared space (motels, their homes)
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freckleslikestars · 2 years
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Okay, this moment right here? this is her ‘I love you’. Two episodes ago he confessed his love for her, doped to all high hell on painkillers, and she knows - deep down she knows - that he loves her. And that she loves him. He nearly kissed her in his corridor, and he confessed his love to her. And she...isn’t ready. This is her saying ‘I love you’ without having to be ready. They can brush it off as just a funny comment, but she’s about to lose him and she has to tell him somehow, so she makes a joke and under that joke they both know what she means.
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