hilarious that you say bi flags “stole” the pan/poly/omni flags when those flags LITERALLY ripped off the bi flag in the first place. you so obviously are more respectful to m-spec, ace, and mogai identities than you are to lgbt ones. i’m not saying we should all be disrespectful to those identities, i’m saying that you aren’t actually as woke and inclusive as you seem to think you are

The post is incredibly old, but there ARE still posts circulating talking about the fact that there were/was someone or multiple people taking the pan, polysexual, and omni flags and “repurposing” them. Here, I’ll even link some:

https://bisexualpositivity.tumblr.com/post/187439390387/bisexuality-is-beautiful

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/sys-stim-error/187724255808?source=share

And oh look, here are the direct posts showing the person doing it! Just so you can’t say it isn’t happening and is just a rumor:

https://femmebisexuelle.tumblr.com/post/187253830205

In fact, here is this blogs entire tag that literally outright says “reclaimed flags”: 

https://femmebisexuelle.tumblr.com/tagged/reclaimed%20flags

And here’s a person stating they love the idea of it:

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/pride-cat/668701514973560832?source=share

Also rittz...I am Ace. This entire blog is run by a transmasc nonbinary Panromantic Ace person who is Autistic.

I am perfectly respectful to all lgbt+ Identities. My stating I won’t use the doe/stag/tomcat pride flags, specifically the ones linked above that just blatantly steal the pan, omni, and polysexual pride flags and repurpose them in order to “reclaim” them is not inherently disrespectful to any lgbt+ Identity. In fact, if there are doe/stag/tomcat bi pride flags that don’t use the pan, omni, and polysexual pride flags and just repurpose them in order to “reclaim” them (aka, not made by people who are against pan/omni/polysexual people existing and saying that those things are inherently biphobic and a result of internalized biphobia and that they’re all just different flavors of bi), then I am okay with using those specific flags. What I will not use is however, exactly mentioned in this post, and in my beginning post.

All of which have perfectly explained reasons behind them without completely removing and Identity.

Also, Bi people can’t lay claim to a flag format, just like any other identity. Just like any specific ID can’t lay claim to a color, or a specific shape of any kind, or any specific stripe amount from their flags. As there’s only so many ways you can make a pride flag until it starts cycling back into each other.

Also, I applaud that you were able to actually put your name to your ask rather than keep this to yourself because I shut off anon. Which I will still be keeping off for the forseeable future because I don’t trust people not to send me more discourse related asks accusing me of bigotry that I am not perpetuating. Or disrespect that I am not doing.

Guys I've struck gold

⚠️Trigger warning: mspec lesbian exclusion (though this is funny to me it still may be a trigger for somebody)⚠️

This is fucking hilarious

[ID: some human Trixie x Starlight Glimmer fanart is in the background. Red text with a white outline that reads 'literally heart broken i loved this art just to find out the creator supports mspec lesbians' followed by a sad face emoji. End ID]

How pathetic do you have to be to be 'heart broken' about the fact that an artist supports someone's identity? 'Wah I can't believe this person supports an identity that my single braincell can't comprehend!' Like imagine you see some cute art, and then you see that the person doesn't scream at people for using comfortable labels and then you're like 'my day is ruined' 💀💀💀

Also TikTok sucks lmfao, at least when it comes to stuff like this; I highly recommend not going on there in hopes of good mspec les/gay content because I swear to fuck most of it was just people whining about our existence in the 'mspec lesbian' tag. I mean, you will find gems like this, so if you want to torture yourself I can't stop ya.

Oh, and if somebody knows the artist, can you send me their way? I love their art style sm./srs /nf

[Banner ID: DNI system/queer exclusiomists, TERFs/SWERFs, truscum/transmeds, anti recovery for harmful paraphilia, anti otherkin, pro-lifers, anti xenogender. A more detailed DNI is in my pinned post. End ID]

Amazing how so many exclusionists make posts on here like 'wahhh why do mspec lesbians keep interacting with me!?' and then they go ahead and call for our deaths whilst using our tags... like man, get a life

This whole discussion of the way toxic inclusivity harms the LGBT as a whole, perfectly summarizes the despicable “queer theory” of “queer academics,” which ignores the fact that ‘queer’ is a anti LGBT slur calling LGBT people abnormal/freakish/strange for being LGBT, and instead just latches onto the ‘abnormal/freakish/strange’ part and declares that ~anything~ that could be considered abnormal/etc is ‘queer’. And it’s this academic “queer theory” that is the basis for declaring kink, polyamory, political genderfuck, any degree of gender non-conformity, and all the ‘a-spec’ and mental-illness-identity-labels as “queer” and therefore part of LGBT when in fact they are not.

So it’s all around disgusting how this very lack of critical thinking has people treating the LGBT like a damned clown car to cram in as many nonsense labels.

It's so pathetic how many people are going out of their way to defend a words derogatory history and usage in order to justify their selfish wants, over the overall welfare of the LGBT community.

[Image ID: Nine square icons with Kanaya Maryam and the vampire lunian/mspec lesbian flag. The flag is a rectangular flag with five equal-width horizontal stripes; (top to bottom) dark purple, purple, dull red, dull pink, & off-white, the middle stripe (dull red) has vampire fangs protruding down. The first and second icons are from the Candy Timeline from Homestuck^2 and the seventh and ninth are from the Meat Timeline. The second has her wielding her chainsaw, the fourth is her as a vampire in her red dress, the fifth is her sitting, the sixth has her staring at the camera, and the eighth is another one of her sitting. End ID.]

vampire mspec lesbian kanaya icons!

using this flag and these sources for the rips 1 & 3, 2 & 4 & 8, 5, 6, and 7 & 9

terfs also believe women are oppressed, let's start opposing anyone who thinks misogyny is real while we're at it. seeing as it's terf rhetoric and all

You entirely missed the point of my post. obviously, women are oppressed— I am not denying misogyny exists. nor is "women are oppressed" specifically terf rhetoric. when I, and others say "terf rhetoric" we are referring to ideas created and spread by primarily terfs.

"women are oppressed" is not terf rhetoric because terfs did not invent that line of thinking.

terfs also deny to acknowledge that feminism needs to be intersectional to be effective, are incredibly anti-male which plays even more into the patriarchy they claim to be against, are violently transphobic, and regularly appeal to those on the alt right. not to mention, getting back on topic to the original post— blatantly denying queer history by starting up the false idea that lesbians cannot be mspec.

I don't know if this is just a silly little coinkydink, or if maybe exclusionists actually don't have the queer community's best interests in mind (who would have thought it?). But in all this wonderful discourse about bi lesbians and such, a main objective from exclusionists is to protect trans people.

"Bi lesbians are transphobic because I know a guy who knows a guy who once saw bi lesbian say she started identifying as bi when she started dating her trans girlfriend."

"Bi lesbians are transphobic because nonbinary people aren't just one gender!"

Ignoring the weakness of the first argument and the blatant misunderstanding that is the second argument for a minute, here's the thing. I have seen plenty of lesbians who identify in some way as bi and bis who in some way identify as lesbians, but never really use the words "bi lesbian" as a label. The bisexual lesbians and lesbian bisexuals who don't use "bi lesbian" as an easily identifiable label that I've seen have been mostly cis.

Every. Single. Person. I have seen. Who uses "bi lesbian" as a label. Who proudly and succinctly calls themselves a bi lesbian. Has been transgender or otherwise nonbinary.

And maybe that's because I'm cool and my circle of blogs and accounts that I follow have a large concentration of trans people, but even amongst all the discourse and back and forth I have never seen someone who identifies as a bi lesbian who is cis. And even if it is just because of the way I curate my online experience, that's still a lot of people. And the majority of people I see and talk to who are staunchly against bi lesbians have been cis (this is not to disrespect the transness of those who are not cis on the other side of this discourse, this whole post is just from what I see as a single person).

The same goes for mspec gay men and mspec gays in general, but mspec lesbians are the ones who seem to receive the most hate. Maybe, just maybe, the people who are able to understand gender as something contradictory, confusing, and boundary-breaking are able to understand the ability things outside of gender may also be that way. Maybe, just maybe, transness is more than switching genders for some people, and affects more than just someoe's gender. And maybe, just maybe, the people who claim to know what's best for trans people more than trans people themselves should take a second to think, reflect, and shut the fuck up.

dude biphobes are so annoying they will literally look at a study about the harm of mspec labels and go "no but you're wrong because me (or my friend) said so"

i especially LOVE it when they say "actually im bi so i cant be biphobic" literally not how it works. being something doesnt shield you from being bigoted towards that group just look at blaire fucking white

can we please stop making people feel like shit for being attracted to men? all those jokes of "but men 🤮" or "I'm so glad I'm not attracted to men" and all that shit is really hurtful to parts of the queer community.

it's just another way to force TERF/SWERF ideology into the queer community in an "acceptable" manner.

mspec sapphics especially are made to feel like they're gross for being attracted to men.

like I get it. men can be dicks. but you shouldn't make fun of people for their sexuality, which, as we literally have to explain to cishets, we can't change.

Guys I’m ngl I forgot supporting mspec lesbians was even considered to be wrong by toxic twitter standards I thought the bi lesbian Lizzie post was just epic

Hi, I was looking at your DNI and I saw the BaB acronym as an example of exclusionists, what does it mean? /genq

An M-Spec Exclusionist, also known as a Battleaxe Bisexual (BaB) or Band-Aid Bisexual (BanBi), is an exclusionist who believes that pansexuality, omnisexuality, polysexuality and other m-spec labels other than bisexual contribute to biphobia and transphobia. They also believe that all m-spec labels are the same as bisexual.

BaBs are against the usage of the "multisexual" label in of itself. This is because they believe that bisexuality is the only 'true' label, thus making the term m-spec 'redundant'.

- source: LGBTA wiki

fuck it we ball imma talk about my sundown headcanons

undiagnosed autism.

gay. very gay. especially for mad dog.

surprisingly trans of gender (transfem bigender, he/she/they). egg only cracks after finale tho

would actually be a good dad (or at least try his best)

has internalized transphobia. simply thinks that she Cannot Be Trans, For They Like Being A Dude (does not know of bigender people)

post-coming out he doesn't like. change his presentation at all. still completely masculine presenting. yknow that classic image of a 'trender' who doesn't bind or plan on taking hrt etc etc? Sundown's the transfem version of that.

speaks Spanish. speaks Very Good Spanish. she's bilingual.

In Duskverse, as eggdown, he didn't really understand duskie being trans of gender but supported him anyways because it made him happy

lol if anyone else wants to share their sundown hcs feel free to.

I don’t get how people still struggle so much with pan and bi, thinking they mean the exact same thing or tacking on additions to pan to differentiate it from bi. That’s not necessary! It’s okay for overlap! It doesn’t matter that people who ID exclusively as pan could also ID as bi instead if they wanted to, why does that matter? It’s more specific, it communicates what the person wants to communicate.

If I say that I’m bi, that could mean a lot of things. It could mean I’m attracted to all genders, it could mean I’m just attracted to men and enbies (all, or certain genders, or certain presentations or alignments) or women and enbies (all, or certain genders, or certain presentations or alignments) or maybe just men and women, or even just enbies (even exclusively masc-aligned and fem-aligned with no neutral- or otherwise-…there are literally infinite ways to be bi)! But if I say pan, it clarifies that I am attracted to all genders. Some people want to make that clarification, why is that such a big deal?

I use bi and pan because they both apply to me. I am attracted to more than 1 gender (bi) and that actually happens to be all genders (pan). This is why so many people call pan a type of bi, but that obviously leaves out pan people who don’t identify with the bi label, which is why we use mspec instead of bi+. I also use both because I feel that I am a part of both communities, and the two have SO much in common it makes no sense to be at each others’ throats. We get each other, we share life experiences, we should be a united community who can appreciate each other’s differences while celebrating the commonality.

Maybe using both pan and bi for myself is affected by being so much more attracted to enbies and women over most men, so I don’t super mind people not knowing the specifics (I guess that’s also impacted by the labels pan and bi not being sufficient to describe my experience, and the labels which exist and come close to matching aren’t acceptable or understood even in a lot of queer spaces). Mostly it’s that no one knows what pan means unless they’re queer, and even then they might not. Pretty much everyone knows bi, though just as “oh yeah the people that like both men and women” and trying to explain pan also means I have to explain gender and being nby and that’s just…a lot. I’ve also been more attracted to the bi label as people joining the pan community after I started using it forever ago started tacking on additions to the definition. It was weird going from tons of posts informing people that pan doesn’t mean equal attraction to all genders, just attraction to all genders, to people contradicting that so they feel more valid in using the pan label over bi. Idk. I started using bi 2005ish and pan 2009ish btw.

I just see all this discord and seemingly purposeful unwillingness to Think and Connect even a tiny amount, people at each other’s throats when they have more in common than different wrt the topic being fought about, a mass reluctance to step outside of societal norms wrt gender and presentation and sexuality and sex and relationships and whatnot. It’s exhausting.

I’m so tired. I want community.

atp im jus blockin anyone who says anything shifty about mspec gays/lesbians lol theyre literally always proto-terfs + why would i ever want them coming near my (gaybian) blog

just saw someone say the reason bi lesbians are problematic is because they're inclusive of radfems, and that bi lesbians spew terf rhetoric. i dont know what kinda secret alternate universe you're living in where terfs are supportive of mspec identities but im begging you to turn on your brain cells for longer than 5 seconds at a time and then go outside instead of wallowing in queer twitter discourse made by 15 year olds 10 hours every day you fucking idiots.

terfs dont fucking like bi lesbians. terfs would rather watch us either kill ourselves than ever support our identities.

"i hate mspec lesbians because they tell people who hate men that they're sharing terf beliefs, which is exactly what terfs want!!" have you literally never seen a terf's account before in your life? they fucking hate men and want everyone in the world to know that every single man in the world no matter how old they are that they're gross ugly creatures who all hate women and want nothing more than to prey on the downfall of all women. yea, even those 6 and 12 year old boys that live next door to you. so yea, while you're posting your quirky little "i hate all men they're disgusting 🙄" posts every three days for your 400 twitter followers, you're 100% spewing terf rhetoric!! no that doesnt mean you're a fucking terf but you're sharing into their beliefs and spreading their agenda every time you do this shit which is what they want!!!!

"the term lesbian is already inclusive of trans and nonbinary people, so using the term bi/mspec lesbian is problematic because you dont think trans people can be lesbians!" look me in the eyes. do you genuinely, honest to god think that terfs care about that. do you genuinely think terfs are okay with trans people calling themselves a lesbian. terfs dont fucking care, they still want you to either detransition and realize how "evil" being trans is and follow in their beliefs, or they want you dead. a nonbinary trans man who uses he/him pronouns calling himself a bi lesbian is literally the least of your fucking worries.

i am trans and bigender. even if i just called myself solely a lesbian without the extra labels, terfs still wont fucking accept me because i am not a pure innocent 100% woman. they will not accept me even when i tell them i feel more like a woman most days than i do a man because i am not their definition of what a woman should be. "it doesnt matter what terfs say, lesbian is still inclusive of trans people!" no, it's only inclusive of trans people that you deem are good and women enough to use the label.

people love going around talking about how they're so so supportive of any and all identities and then immediately turn around and be like "hmmm but not Yours." i could be the most perfect woman in the world, but the second i so much as mention i think a man looks attractive, then i am not being a lesbian the Right way.

so who the fuck cares anymore. who cares if i use the term bisexual lesbian to identify myself? im already doing it all wrong supposedly, so who cares if im more of a problem than i already am? the queer people im supposed to share a community with would rather side on the side of terfs because im not being a lesbian in the supposedly Correct way, and no matter what i say to try defending myself I'll never be seen as a true and proper lesbian because random strangers on the internet i will never meet ever in my life has already dictated that I'm not good enough. that my existence is problematic and harmful to everyone else, completely ignorant of the fact that they're unwillingly sharing in the beliefs of transphobes, homophobes and conservatives who would like nothing more than to wipe us all out instead of standing together as a community.

but you know, putting bi lesbians on your dni or whatever is more important.

I found this on Pinterest and I just, have a bad taste in my mouth about it

I know it’s a joke, it’s something that isn’t meant to be taken seriously. But I, I beg. Don’t put flexible terms under bi, don’t put neptunic and Uranic under bi. Those idenities are mspec, not bi, bi isn’t the umbrella people think it is.

I am neptunic-flexible, I am not a bi person. I never accounted myself as bi. Of course I’m not everyone’s stories, I’m not everyone’s tales. But to a point it makes me upset to see people to just, lump all those identities together. Not to mention that post likes this could encourage people who want to generalize and just, mesh identities together.

Note: this post is not meant to start discourse. This is me just expressing my annoyance with this.