I was thinking: everyone is blaming Marinette for not telling the truth to Adrien. But are we 100% sure that this is what has happened? Are we 100% sure that Marinette is aware that she's lying to Adrien? More importantly, is she actually lying?
Gabriel made the wish. The wish, as the episode clearly states, is a RECREATION. It recreated reality. As Sass explained to us very clearly in Ephemeral, Gimmi has ERASED THE REALITY MARINETTE AND ADRIEN LIVED IN UP TO THEN AND CREATED A WHOLE NEW UNIVERSE, where Gabriel is the hero. Marinette, even being Ladybug and being the guardian, isn't immune to the power of the wish. Gabriel has recreated a world where he has been a hero, and probably he's a hero for Marinette too!
Have we thought about it? She probably is convinced that Monarch was a different person from Gabriel Agreste and that Gabriel sacrificed himself to destroy him because, in the reality where she lives now, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED. It's not a lie! It's the truth! Why would she be the only one to remember? What makes her stand out from the rest of the world?
No, I don't blame Marinette for telling Adrien that Gabriel was a hero because, in her reality now this is exactly what happened. The only thing that she's hiding from Adrien is the fact that he's a senti and why the rings need to be with him at all times. if we need to blame her for keeping secrets, that's the secret that she's keeping. Not Monarch's identity.
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Have I mentioned how when Ephemeral came out the fandom insisted that Marinette would apologize eventually?
Then when it started becoming obvious that was never going to happen they did a 180 and said "Oh, Marinette using the Snake Miraculous to manipulate Adrien and prevent outcomes she personally doesn't like is smart and totally not a violation of Adrien's trust and autonomy!"
And started writing her doing that into their fics.
Cause I feel like I should've said it at least once.
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I don’t think Adrien is super oblivious
I wrote about Adrien not being oblivious of Marinette’s feelings before, but I think just as a whole, he’s not as oblivious as you may think. Let me break down why.
1. It’s never been some big revelation to him that Marinette is Ladybug - who he likes as more than a friend
Think of all the “what if” episodes: Chat Blanc, Oblivio, and Ephemeral.
Something that happens in all of these episodes is Adrien realizing Marinette is Ladybug and being so happy with them being the same person.
But notice how it isn’t some huge revelation to him. Like, he figures it out and is pretty much like “that makes sense. No wonder I love you.” He was never like “wow! I would’ve never guessed! I don’t know if I like Marinette like that.”
Those episodes aside, in Heroes’ Day Pt. 2, he accepts Marinette’s kiss and compliments her, calling her “their everyday Ladybug.” And, in Multiplication, he remembers the advice she had given him about confronting his father, and wastes no time calling her and telling her how special she is to him. It’s not even like Adrien told Plagg to shut up or defend himself when he said Adrien would be a fake if he thinks he doesn’t like Marinette romantically.
Adrien definitely seems well aware that he likes Marinette, but he’s in denial because he’s infatuated with Ladybug. Plus, he says the one time, “besides, there’s Luka.”
He doesn’t know how to juggle having feelings for two “different” girls (he’s never had a crush on anyone prior to), but it’s never been a big shock to him when he figures out they’re the same person and that he loves them both.
2. He won’t open up to his father
Gabriel is abusive…also the sky is blue.
It seems a lot of the time that Adrien isn’t aware of how abusive his father is, and lets him manipulate him. But, I think he’s got some idea of this, honestly. He’s caught onto more in comparison to season one.
The biggest sign was in Glaciator 2. When Gabriel says he’s been distant ever since Emilie’s passing but Adrien can talk to him if he needs to, he’s unfazed by the reason he’s distant, says, “if I needed to, father, I would…” and then walks away.
Adrien didn’t even want to talk to him, despite him offering. That says a lot right there.
Throughout every season, Gabriel doesn’t even bother to do things like eat dinner with him, take him to the movies, help him practice piano, etc. and it thoroughly disappoints Adrien.
Adrien also admits in Risk that his father is forcing him to be this “perfect” model but all he wants is to be his son. He doesn’t want to be a model. He just wants a good relationship with his father, and it’s a really good thing he realizes that.
The sad thing is that there’s a 99.9% chance not going to improve, considering he just created an AI version of Adrien, which he’ll be able to use to his advantage. Adrien realized something was very fucked up about that after he saw this version of himself.
3. He never claimed to love Kagami
Okay. So, Adrien definitely had a bit of an attraction to Kagami originally, I’m not saying he didn’t. However, he never openly says he loves her or even tries to woo her like does with Ladybug. Adrien very obviously shows his feelings through his actions and behavior - keep this in mind.
There’s probably Adrien salters who think he lead Kagami on, but the truth of the matter is that he really didn’t. He wanted to try to be with her, but he never admitted having feelings for her and he consistently showed discomfort while they were together.
Kagami caught onto this and saw the charm from Marinette he’s always carrying. She tried to make the relationship work, but she noticed problems (aside from just him lying to go run off on patrols), and dumped him for that. And Adrien didn’t try to fight her on that, so I feel like he knew he didn’t feel the same way and that the breakup needed to happen.
4. He keeps flirting with Ladybug despite her saying she likes someone else
Okay, okay. I’ve seen this being debated about in the fandom a lot. There’s people who think he’s being too pushy, to a point of assault. But, I don’t really feel that’s the case. Lemme explain.
Ladybug will sometimes flirt with him back. She’s kissed him a number of different times. Similar to him, she’s also in denial of having feelings for him and trying to sort out these romantic feelings she has for Cat Noir.
Cat Noir/Adrien definitely notices this seeing as how much he loves her, which is why he still flirts with her here and there. He sees there might still be a chance for him. Especially seeing how she’s kissed him a number of times, twice that he can’t even remember, he’s going insane trying to figure out how that happened in the first place.
I think he should cut back, which honestly he has since the first season. If Ladybug directly tells him to stop, he does. It’s just a matter of him thinking she might just feel the same, and the episodes rebooting him flirting and Ladybug having a different reaction every time. (She also doesn’t get super uncomfortable and incredibly mad the way she did when Felix tried to kiss her).
Conclusion
Adrien isn’t completely clueless and oblivious. That’s that.
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HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!
Remember back in “Ephemeral” when Gabriel told Adrien to represend him at the 100th collection launch bc Gabriel is obsessed with terrorism and a shit dad?
Yeah? Good. Do you also remember what his excuse was?
Gabe my Babe, youre not feeling what? You’re not felling WELL? As in...sick? So only Adrien is left to take your position/ represent you in this immensly influencial business because Nathalie isnt feeling peachy either?
But oh! How interesting! Nathalie is shown to help Adrien get through this despite being in very bad health herself
Why does all of that ring some kind of faint bell?
Ah, yes!
That was very specific forshadowing!
Which does make alot of sense when you think about it. “Elation” already showed us that the cataclysm injury is starting to cause Gabriel physical pain again in episode 9:
and non of this is going to get any better for him, thats for sure.
For Nathalie though I had assumed by the end of s4 that Nathalie IS able to get back to full health again, but now “Passion” says that she’s doomed too:
So it seems Nathalie may have gotten better by now when it comes to the direct symptoms of the overuse of the peacock miraculous, but that doesnt stop the fatal long-term effects it has on her body. I guess that does check out.
And that means, with both Gabriel and Nathalie doomed to their ever futher-spreading illnesses set up to result in death, at some point neither of them can represent the business anymore without risking people catching onto the sicknesses. So I guess that only leaves the very obvious solution of having Adrien be the one to take over the position.
Although it does raise the questions of if or how Gabriels sickness can remain a secret from Adrien in all of this. Sure, NOW thats still possible to cover up but in what condition will he be in in another 9 episodes? Is Gabriel just never going to leave the lair again later in the season and Nathalie will tell Adrien that his father left elsewhere (without proplerly saying goodbye; season 4 finale possibly forshadowed that the other way around with Adrien leaving and Gabriel staying) and now Adrien has to fill in some of his fathers responsibilities? I mean, Adrien would have the time for it now that he isnt a model anymore.
Edit: The Tsurugi business might end up threatening to take over Gabriels business near the end too, since it’ll simply need a competent adult leader with gabriel and Nathalie down. That would fit surprisingly WELL too now in s5!
I dont see any reason why “Ephemeral” shouldnt have been legit forshadowing for s5, it sure felt weirdly “next-level for the Agreste story” in season 4.
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