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hiraya-sa-dilim · 2 years

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morpheus watching hob win a knife fight defending him in 1789

#the sandman #hob gadling #men of good fortune #dream of the endless #morpheus #memes #post #mine

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writing-for-life · 4 months

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MEN OF GOOD FORTUNE 1389-1589–Jill Thompson

MEN OF GOOD FORTUNE 1689-1889–Jill Thompson

MEN OF GOOD FORTUNE 1989–Jill Thompson

And just adding that these are well over a decade old and were done for a movie pitch…

#the sandman #dream of the endless #morpheus #sandman #hob gadling #men of good fortune #jill thompson #sandman art #sandman x art

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behindxa · 1 year

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It’s absurd that Hob has maintained the same body shape for 600 years. So here I drew:

#The sandman #hob gadling #robert gadling #Men of Good Fortune

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krayt-spitter21 · 2 years

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Currently watching The Sandman ep 6 with Morpheus and Hob and I gotta say this is the gayest shit I’ve ever seen in my life

#they’re just two supernatural fruits aren’t they #he thinks he got stood up!!#he’s sad his fruity anthropomorphic friend didn’t show!#AND THEN HE BOUGHT THE BAR TO WAIT FOR HIM AHHHHAHAVSKDKAVDK #sandman #netflix sandman #sandman spoilers #the sandman #dream #morpheus #hob gadling #men of good fortune #sound of her wings

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orionsangel86 · 1 year

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I was once again flicking through the Sandman comics and thinking about the changes made to the show (as I am pretty much always doing) and something that struck me as interesting is why they chose to swap out Tales in the Sand for Men of Good Fortune.

In the comics, The Sound of Her Wings is the last story in Preludes and Nocturns. Dream’s meeting with his sister Death closes out the first of the overarching storylines within the Sandman saga, and it ends with Dream finding some measure of peace after speaking with her, and finding joy in hearing the sound of wings.

This can be interpreted as the first bit of real foreshadowing of Dream’s desire to die. Anyone who has read the Kindly Ones knows how important The Sound Of Her Wings is as it is called back to heavily at the end.

In the comics, the next issue can be seen as a one off, but is included in The Doll’s House book. This issue is Tales in the Sand - the tragic love story of Dream and Nada.

Right after Tales in the Sand, we get to the Doll’s House, which begins the exact same way that episode 6 of The Sandman Netflix show ends - with Desire calling on Despair to begin their scheming over the existance of the vortex.

I found it very interesting how the show swapped out Tales in the Sand for Men of Good Fortune - a story which in the comics comes much later within The Doll’s House storyline.

On the one hand, it makes sense to move Men of Good Fortune outside of the Doll’s House story for pacing reasons. But by putting it where they did they have drastically changed the tone of the story in a few ways.

1. It changes the end of The Sound of Her Wings. Show!Dream doesn’t leave his sister to sit and find peace in the thought of death, instead he does the opposite, he immediately goes and seeks out the one person he knows who is quite literally the antithesis of death - someone who finds joy in living. It still ends the Preludes and Nocturns story with Dream finding some manner of peace and happiness, but not in the sound of wings. Instead, it’s in the reunion with his friend who loves life so much he refuses to die.

2. It takes the place of the only love story we are given for Dream at that point in the comics. The Sandman comics have a tendency to avoid revealling too much information about Dream too soon and up until this point in the comics, all we know about his love life is that he condemned a lover to hell 10,000 years ago, based on a very brief conversation in A Hope In Hell. Tales in the Sand is the expansion of that brief conversation, giving us at least one perspective of how the tragedy played out.

I am really curious about why they decided to leave it out of the show completely. Partly I think its because it isn’t exactly a flattering look at Dream as a character. Probably didn’t seem like good business sense to the people who wanted The Sandman to perform well to basically destroy your main characters likeability half way through the first season (imagine all the Twitter puriteens and anti types who would get on their high horses attacking Sandman fans and Neil Gaiman alike for daring to like a main character who comes across a little bit rapey in this particular story - among other horrific character flaws).

Also, Tales in the Sand generally fits better with the Season of Mists story arc overall, and I think we will get a much kinder and more forgiving version of this story in the show.

So instead of being introduced to the first of Dream’s lovers, we are introduced to Hob Gadling. Make of that what you will.

3. It makes the immediate cut to Desire at the start of The Doll’s House story all the more eyebrow raising. Part of the reason why I think Desire’s scenes follow on from Tales in the Sand is because Desire had a lot to do with Dream’s bad behaviour in that story, and what ultimately happened is partly their fault. It is brought up both in comic and show when Desire tells Despair that “Nada was a mistake” but in the show, this comment remains a mystery, whereas in the comic, it goes some way into explaining the horrific story we have just read.

In the show, instead it makes for absolutely beautiful subtext as they cut to Desire’s realm and the song Desire as Desire says “Attend sweet Sibling” whilst we have just watched Dream reunite with Hob and smile the first real smile he has had all season so far. For a split second on my first watch I legit thought Desire was talking to Dream at that point and encouraging him to hook up with Hob. It was a very confusing few seconds!

At the end of the day, I think the change to the order of these stories was a very good idea, even without the added level of shipping fodder it gives us Dreamling shippers. In changing the end to The Sound of Her Wings in the show, it removes the foreshadowing of Dream’s desire to die, which I’ll be honest, so far I can’t see at all in the show version of the story. Instead, we get a Dream who is happy for the first time after reuniting with his friend - who apparently waited an additional 33 years for him and built/refurbished a pub in that time.

I have a bazzillion more thoughts on the changes from comic to show on the Men of Good Fortune issue in particular, but that’s for another post. I just had to get my thoughts down as the more I read and re-read the comics, the more I feel like the show is considering a different direction, a more hopeful happy direction. But I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

#the sandman #sandman meta #dreamling #dream of the endless #the sandman comics #sandman comic spoilers #the sound of her wings #men of good fortune #tales in the sand

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avelera · 2 years

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I just reread the “Men of Good Fortune” issue (where Hob Gadling is introduced) of the Sandman comic and I have to say, the missed meeting in the 1980s actually adds so much to the story. It’s not just a requirement of the show updating the timeline, or even if it is, the addition adds narrative tension and a mini plot arc to what is otherwise a fairly one note story.

In the original comic, Hob and Dream simply meet every year, culminating in the 1989 meeting. They still fight in 1889 and I think, if you were reading along with Sandman as it came out, you’d recognize that Dream showing up in ‘89 is because his imprisonment softened him and he’s ready to acknowledge Hob as his friend. But it’s not exactly “on the page” within the comic. It’s more like they fight, Dream says he won’t be there next time, and then he is anyway proving Hob was right. It’s sweet but a bit one note.

By adding flash to the imprisonment, the missed meeting, the implied regret on both their parts, Hob for thinking he pushed his friend too far and Dream for a fight that means Hob can’t help but think Dream really doesn’t see him as a friend, offers a variation on the beat of their meetings. It offers consequences, unintended as they are. It sets up a situation where Hob can show his devotion to their friendship by waiting there years later at the New Inn, when almost everyone else in Dream’s life (minus Lucienne) abandoned him to his fate or assumed he abandoned them.

And on Dream’s part, he’s not just contrite because he changed his mind, the emotional beat is centered on the life lessons he has learned from his captivity and is part of a wider, clearer emotional arc of him learning to process his trauma (not always well) and rediscovering the important people in his life. Learning empathy. Learning what he always had all along in the people who love him.

Anyway, it’s an excellent additional beat to the comic, it really shows a greater depth of emotional maturity on the part of the updated story and it adds a great deal to the relationship between the characters (no wonder everyone is shipping them now lol).

#the sandman #men of good fortune #dreamling #hob gadling #dream of the endless

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malice-kingdom · 1 year

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#hob gadling #the sandman #the sandman hob #dreamling #ferdinand kingsley #the sound of her wings #the sandman fanart #1389 Hob #men of good fortune #fanart

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notallsandmen · 1 year

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Reading up on Christopher Marlowe, and found out that he died at the mere age of 29 under mysterious circumstances: during some kind of brawl, Marlowe was stabbed above the right eye, killing him instantly.

Marlowe was considered the foremost dramatist in London in the years just before his mysterious early death in 1593 (4 years after the Dream’s and Hob’s meeting in 1589), after which Shakespeare succeeded him as the pre-eminent Elizabethan playwright. Are we sure that Dream merely commissioned two plays from Shaxberd and not just, you know, asked the Corinthian to shiv his strongest competitor? 😂

#the sandman shaxberd bashing #hob hating shakespeare is my favourite dreamling trope #will shaxberd #william shakespeare #men of good fortune #the sound of her wings #hob gadling #dreamling #dream x hob #christopher marlowe #marlowe #the sandman conspiracy theories #the corinthian #corinthian #the sandman neil gaiman #the sandman comics

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robotshowtunes · 11 months

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Happy 634th Anniversary, Dreamling! 🏳️‍🌈

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hiraya-sa-dilim · 2 years

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#the sandman #men of good fortune #hob gadling #death of the endless #dream of the endless #morpheus #memes #post #mine

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writing-for-life · 26 days

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Sandman Cover Project #13—Michael Zulli

This weekend, I’m going to post artworks commissioned via "The Sandman Cover Project": What would the covers have looked like if created by the issue artists instead of Dave McKean?

I will gradually add all illustrations via the tag “Sandman Cover Project”.

We’re starting off with Zulli (and without giving too much away, we’ll finish with him as well)…

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et-in-arkadia · 2 years

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obsessed with the bisexual way that hob is sitting in ‘men of good fortune’ like okay my guy we get it

#the sandman #the sandman comics #men of good fortune #hob gadling #dream of the endless #dreamling #doing a comics retread like 15 years later is illuminating #we love a cozy chat #hey hob you’ve been alive for 400 years and this is your fancy era do you want to sit properly in your chair #hob: no ;)

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grymorfinon · 1 year

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SPOILERS FOR LIKE, ALL OF THE SANDMAN

Concerning Dream and Hob’s meetings:

If they are able to adapt The Sandman all the way through The Wake, what i hope is that when they adapt this moment in The Kindly Ones, they frame it in a way that parallels the scene in The Sound of Her Wings. In both of these moments Hob is standing in the street telling Dream the truth, that what Dream is doing is essentially running away from the people he cares about all for the sake of his pride, and in both cases Dream’s nature keeps him from fully accepting it. Even though in the latter he is much more kind about it.

Their relationship is something that is definitely played up to be more romantic in the show than it was in the comics (not that I'm complaining) but in both cases it’s clear how much the two care about each other.

#the sandman #dream of the endless #hob gadling #dreamling #men of good fortune #the kindly ones #The Wake is going to tear me apart when they get to it in like 15 years #just two boyfriends yelling at each other in the rain

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rastronomicals · 3 months

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8:03 PM EST January 16, 2024:

Lou Reed - “Men of Good Fortune” From the album Berlin (July 1973)

Last song scrobbled from iTunes at Last.fm

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#Lou Reed #Berlin #Men Of Good Fortune

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oswincoleman · 2 years

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Filming location of Jenna Coleman's scenes in The Sandman:

So far, we have seen Jenna Coleman as modern-day Johanna Constantine in a scene shown in the Date Announcement trailer, where she talks to Mad Hettie. We have also seen her in a promotional picture, talking to Morpheus (Tom Sturridge).

Both of those scenes were filmed at the same place, the Old Royal Naval College in Greenwich, London.

This Facebook post indicates that filming occurred there on the 16th of February, 2021.

This also agrees with what we know about when Jenna was filming The Sandman. We know she filmed it in late January/early February until latest February 18th. We know that she was in a COVID bubble ahead of filming Klokkenluider, from the 19th of February onwards.

But she might also have done a little more filming after Klokkenluider wrapped, possibly the scenes as the 18th century Johanna Constantine. At least according to the comics, that role is much smaller than her role as modern-day Johanna Constantine, within the material covered by series 1 of The Sandman. She briefly appears in "Men of good fortune", which will, probably, be part of episode 6.

Episode 3 is probably equivalent to "Dream a little, dream of me", which is mostly about modern-day Johanna Constantine, and her and Morpheus' attempt to find and retrieve the sand pouch.

#jenna coleman #jenna louise coleman #the sandman #sandman on netflix #the sandman behind the scenes #netflix #greenwich #london #old royal naval college #behind the scenes #johanna constantine #lady johanna constantine #tom sturridge #dream #morpheus #mad hettie #klokkenluider #dream a little dream of me #men of good fortune

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the-everqueen · 10 months

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that one scene in the audio drama version of "Men of Good Fortune"

h*b: friendship. [smyECK] OI fink yoa lonely.

dream of the mcavoy: [heaugheughgughghgh] [hhhhhhhhh] [appallingly loud close-mic chair creak] y-you. da-are. you. daAare. imply that *i* might befriend a morTAL?? that one of MY kind might need comPAN-IONship?? YOUDAAAAARE to CALL ME LONELY???!??!?!!?!?!??! [frantic chair hits, furniture scrapes, door slams, screaming, crying, pissing, shitting, falling over and exploding,]

#sandman #sandman audio drama #men of good fortune #@neilgaiman hire my gf to do Vol. IV #she could clean up the dialogue So So Good #what are these mouth noises?? who kept those in???#is james mcavoy above an audio editor????#THE SPATIALIZATION; NEIL!!!

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