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which things you dislike the most about each mbti personality type? what are the things you think should be improved of their natural tendencies?
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1) welcome back! You were missed! 2) Do you think certain MBTI types are prone to certain problematic behaviors and 3) if so which ones really bother you or you dislike?
As an ENTJ what do you appreciate about the other MBTI types?
By perceiving function:
High Ne (ENFP, ENTP, INFP, INTP): Flaky and unreliable. Struggles with consistency, follow through, and discipline. Prone to being impractical and unrealistic. Quitters.
High Se (ESFP, ESTP, ISFP, ISTP): Short-sighted and superficial. Struggles with seeing the big picture and underlying connections. Prone to optimizing for short-term benefits over long-term gains. Reckless.
High Ni (INTJ, INFJ, ENTJ, ENFJ): Vague and unrealistic. Struggles with concrete details and constraints needed to make their ideas work. Prone to perfectionism and delusions of grandeur. Know-it-alls.
High Si (ISTJ, ISFJ, ESTJ, ESFJ): Concrete and rigid. Struggles with deviating from tried and true methods. Prone to dismissing novel ideas as unrealistic, annoying, and unwelcomed; risk averse to a fault. Killjoys.
By judging function:
High Fe (ESFJ, ENFJ, ISFJ, INFJ): Scripted and impersonal. Struggles with nuance, exceptions, and subjectivity to standard and expected behaviors ('social norms'). Prone to passive aggression and messiah complexes. Pushovers.
High Fi (INFP, ISFP, ENFP, ESFP): Subjective and rigid. Struggles with compromise and perceiving everything systematic as an attack on individuality, freedom, and creativity. Prone to martyr complexes. Victims.
High Te (ESTJ, ENTJ, ISTJ, INTJ): Systematic and impersonal. Struggles with nuance, exceptions, subjectivity to standard thinking ('common sense') and the unpredictable things that make humans-- human. Prone to impatience. Bulldozers.
High Ti (INTP, ISTP, ENTP, ESTP): Nuanced and chaotic. Struggles with creating scalable, standardized, and automated systems that work for the majority of people. Prone to overcomplicating everything. Trolls.
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Mr entj, i am an enfp 3w2 and have an entj boss. What do entjs look for in the people they lead and manage? How do entjs define capability and competency? I would like to maximize my chances of success. Ps: as a 3w2 i am more disciplined and organized than enfp stereotypes and am often mistaken for an enfj. Thanks in advance!!!!
Related to the following asks:
What do you think is required from a person to succeed ?
Do you have any experience with hiring or selecting people to be on your team?
ENTJ: Leadership
can you talk about managing people + dealing with politics, especially in the workplace?
I define capability as the menu of skills a person has to drive outcomes. I define competence as a person's ability to correctly, consistently, and reliably apply those menu of skills to actually deliver said outcomes. You can have one but not the other. There are people who are capable but incompetent (poor application of skills, unreliable as shit) and there are competent people who have poor capabilities (consistent, but with a limited ranged of skills). In your career, MBTI aside, try to maximize both.
For the people I hire, I evaluate them on 3 dimensions:
Cognitive ability - your ability to solve complex problems
Execution skills - your ability to deliver outcomes
Emotional intelligence - your ability to play nice with other people
Thoughts on how to work with an ENTJ leader (applicable to INTJs):
Always keep the end goal in mind. Understand the outcomes the ENTJ is trying to drive and use that as a north star, don't just 'do the thing and get it done quickly'. Forget the details for a second, instead ask: What is the end state we're trying to achieve? Where are we trying to go? What do we need to do to get there? All actions should drive towards those outcomes. ENTJs are less concerned about the small details which gives you flexibility in the process (the 'how') as long as the outcomes (the 'what') are achieved. This also makes it easy to ruthlessly prioritize if you're overwhelmed. If it doesn't contribute to the end goal, then cut it. If it contributes to the end goal, then do it and measure the impact.
Exercise radical ownership. If the outcomes aren't achieved, you need to understand and explain why. It's okay to screw up because we all screw up. It's not okay to screw up, try to hide the fact you've screwed up, try to make excuses for screwing up, and then learn nothing from your mistakes (basically, don't be an ENTP). The best way to show an ENTJ that you've learned from your mistakes is pretty simple: bring solutions with every problem surfaced. It shows the ENTJ you've 1) identified the problem 2) accepted accountability and 3) taken actions to fix it. No need for exaggerated apologies, dramatics, and theatrics. Learn, fix, keep calm and carry on.
Be proactive. Related to the above. If you're going to ask a question, make sure you've already attempted to research the answer. If you're going to surface a problem, make sure you've thought through some solutions. If you have a fresh new idea, make sure you've drafted a rough draft of a plan. ENTJ leaders dislike handholding or coddling people because it distracts them from the actual things they should be focused on. Time is valuable.
Communicate clearly and fearlessly. Too much work? Not enough work? Want to try something new? Need time off? Unsure if you're performing well or poorly? Want a raise? Want a promotion? Say something. TJs (ENTJ, ESTJ, ISTJ, INTJ) are vocal if they have something to say so they have the tendency to assume other MBTI types will do the same. If you don't say anything, they may assume everything is fine when it's in fact not fine (basically, don't be an FJ). Don't be scared: advocate for yourself, speak up, and work together to build a path forward.
Push your potential. In the spirit of the above bullet point, be ambitious with your personal and professional goals. Ambition is respected, not feared. Self-improvement is welcomed, not discouraged. Articulate the skills and experience you want to build, take risks, and grow outside your comfort zone.
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Hi Mr ENTJ! Of all the people in your circle, who is the least similar to you and what mbti are they? Or are you generally the person who looks for people who find similar personality (behaviorally not cognitively)?
Other than successful and loyal, what other qualified that you look for in a friend?
They're INFPs.
I have a ton of INFP friends who are very different from me. Their thought process, priorities, careers, and life choices couldn't be more different but we're still friends because we have shared values, similar interests, and complementary behaviors. The thing that makes them great friends is 1) the ease in which I can speak to them openly and honestly 2) the value in getting a perspective from a type that's completely opposite to me and 3) the absolute trust in their discretion. They're pretty much non-judgmental lockboxes of blunt honesty once you've cracked their secret friendship code.
The more comprehensive answer is here.
It's generally more difficult for me to build strong bonds with Ti and Fe users (xxTPs and xxFJs) with the exception of ISTPs because regular communication requires more effort and common behaviors require more explanation. It's easier for me to have misunderstandings with xxFJs than any of the other MBTI types because what I meant and what they interpreted can be lost in translation: first come the assumptions, then the hurt feelings, then the emotional xxFJ dissertation length text messages™, and finally the awkward reconciliation. It's more difficult, but it's not impossible, and it's been a gap worth bridging to build some of the most valuable relationships in my life. [Related: What do you appreciate about the other types?]
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Hi Mr-ENTJ, sorry for the long ask. This may seem like a very small issue, but I'm an INFP and I work in the service industry. My main problem is the entitlement in my workplace. I'm working for a corporate organization and, as corporate is, it's full of entitled, rich assholes to the people "below" them. There are policies in place to ensure efficiency and independence so that my clients don't do everything through me, but with my clients expecting anything and everything, I feel like it's my job to enforce the policies and educate them to become independent of having me do everything for them.
I've brought these problems to my supervisor and manager before, informing them that these policies are not respected, the inefficiencies in what the process should be, what clients are doing instead of going back to their actual resources, and suggestions/feedback/constructive criticisms to improve all of these things. My supervisor and manager are both ISFJs and they have worked in this department for over a decade, enough to say "it is what it is; this is what it means to be in service." My coworkers are not nearly as motivated to enforce the policies either because they see no change throughout all the years they've been here, or they don't care for this job enough.
I know that my job is service-oriented and there's something called going above and beyond, but I feel like there is nothing wrong with me educating my clients and i don't want to change what I feel is correct. I feel like another INFP on the team and I are the only ones who feels this passionately about these problems and want to improve it, but this burden is so tiresome and my team thinks it's annoying for me to police everything. I know that this job is no longer for me, and I'm working on finding something else, but until then, what else can I do?
I'm probably just looking for some validation and feedback on what I can do better, but am I wrong? Do I just need to let this go and let things be as they are? Am I just not doing enough? Am I not enforcing this properly?
You can have my validation that you're not wrong, you're probably right, but that still doesn't fix any of the problems you've outlined. Culture change comes in one of two ways if leadership isn't open to change:
The 'judger way' (xxFJ + xxTJ): Become a leader yourself and cascade the change downward -> This requires an immense amount of time to stick around and climb the promotional ladder
The 'perceiver way' (xxFP + xxTP): Get enough influential people to agree with you and override leadership -> This requires an immense amount of effort and may get you fired
Both options require power. Without power, you're stuck at the mercy of other people's decisions inside and outside of work.
This conflict is also a key reason why many INFPs are miserable in corporate environments because they need to adhere to systems and processes other people in power make. Without any motivation to climb the ladder, become a person of power, and change the systems/processes themselves-- INFPs get stuck as passengers in a car that someone else is driving. This is why you see a lot of INFPs opt for freelancing careers, academia, or completely opt out of work (stay-at-home parents) to maximize freedom.
Moving forward, you're correct to find a company that's a better culture fit. Until then, I wouldn't waste another single brain cell stressing about things and people that refuse to change. Save your time, energy, and emotions for the next role so you can hit the ground running.
Related answers:
Any advice for Fi-Dom leaders? Do you think they can be successful at leading people?
Help Mr. Entj, have you ever seen an INFP leader or manager in action? What observations do you have of their leadership style? Do you have any advice for improvement?
Have you worked with an INFP before? What's it like for you as an ENTJ?
MBTI and career choice
Can you give an idea of each MBTI type's career jump patterns or reasonings?
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Mr. ENTJ. Do you have any advice for someone who is honest to the point it may hurt feelings and hurt my friendships? I refuse to bend the truth or my values but I find it can alienate the people around me because I am seen as too inflexible in my communication. If it helps, I am an INFP. Thank you!
I'll share with you something one of my mentors told me:
Honesty without compassion is cruelty.
Keep this at the forefront of your mind when communicating with other people.
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Hello Mr. ENTJ,
I have read a few of your posts. And I must say, they are truly enlightening. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and passing on to others.
Would you have any advice on how ENFPs could develop/progress their tertiary Te? Any practical advice (all I see on the internet is theory. No irl use).
I have been struggling with this particular function for three years now. Some days I like how my progress is going. Some days I overuse it to the point of going into unhealthy loops, and on others I am clueless as to how I KNOW I am misusing Te, just don’t know what is specifically going wrong.
Alongside this question, how have your experience been with ENFPs and the function Te (dynamics, healthy and unhealthy individuals)? How did you perceive them? Were their actions/decisions befitting of tertiary Te?
As the daughter of an ENTJ 8w7, one of my goals is to become as logical and effective as half of what my dad is and has accomplished.
Another last question: do you know of any tips of how ENFPs and ENTJs can get along better? Me (ENFP 2w3) being too ‘soft/sensitive’ for the taste of my dad doesn’t help much. We can barely ever figure out what is going on inside each other’s heads. It’s as if it’s two apart worlds, and I’d risk to say I feel I have more in-common with my INTJ brother than with my ENTJ dad (come on, Te-Ni and Ni-Te shouldn’t be too different. Just thinking of my INFP pals, they’re lovely beings I feel I share a lot in-common with them. Flawed logic? Perhaps.)
If you can answer these, it’d be helpful. Coming from a successful, seemingly healthy ENTJ.
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Would you have any advice on how ENFPs could develop/progress their tertiary Te? Any practical advice (all I see on the internet is theory. No irl use).
To develop/progress Te, see this post.
Alongside this question, how have your experience been with ENFPs and the function Te (dynamics, healthy and unhealthy individuals)? How did you perceive them? Were their actions/decisions befitting of tertiary Te?
In the short bursts, strong and focused for things they're personally interested in. Very energetic, infectious, and productive.
In the long term, inconsistent and flaky with significant drop off after the fun phases are over (brainstorming, ideation) and it's time to actually do the difficult and not fun work (execution). The exact point this happens is a few days/hours after the execution phase starts and the excitement fades. This is when the wheels come off the wagon and things go to hell.
Another last question: do you know of any tips of how ENFPs and ENTJs can get along better?
For starters, I wouldn't make it a goal to change who you naturally are and how you operate simply because someone disagrees with it. Parent or not. Unless you're actively harming yourself, it's not a personality disorder or a problem to solve, it's just a personality quirk and a quality to accept.
Off the top of my head:
Set and enforce boundaries. ENTJs will step over lines they don't know exist because they assume that other types communicate as bluntly as they do. Spoiler alert: they don't. Make sure your dad knows they exist or else he'll trample over them unintentionally.
Identify what they're excellent at and learn from them. Pretty much every TJ I know is an expert in a particular field and can't shut up about it when asked. What's your dad's area of expertise? Learn more about it, ask him about it, and try it. This is a great starting place to bond.
Share only the problems you want solutions to. And if you don't want solutions, tell them up front. Most TJs (ENTJ, INTJ, ESTJ, ISTJ) will interpret sharing issues as asking for our input because we're natural problem solvers. Be clear that you're only looking to vent.
Acknowledge the facts, even if you don't agree with them. ENFPs are dreamers who go for moonshots (ambitious but unlikely goals). There's nothing wrong with dreaming big, but being too impractical and neglectful of reality can make you look delusional. This will annoy all TJs, not just the xNTJs. You can acknowledge the facts without killing your dreams. Work with your dad to brainstorm solutions to those problems, not to deny they exist. It's a good intellectual exercise and solid bonding opportunity.
Be considerate of their time. If you're not committed to acting on a plan, don't bother them for advice, and more advice, and more advice. Talking and talking and talking without any action is exhausting at best, and infuriating at worst. This is one of my main gripes with all perceivers especially when it comes to career coaching. They'll get excited about a plan, ask for my input, I'll invest time and energy into building it, and then they'll abandon it. In the long run, it'll damage your relationship with an ENTJ because you'll appear flaky and they'll respect you less because of it. A person's word is their bond, make sure your words hold a lot of weight.
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It seems that ENTJs are ultra successful types and so, many descriptions and accounts are based off this idea. What do you think a middle-of-the-road, timid to act, or unsuccessful ENTJ would look like? How would you go about identifying them when they differ from the "norm"? Surely, there is such a thing… right?
There's so such thing as an ultra successful MBTI type, there are just personality types with specific traits, and people whose personalities fit the descriptions or don't fit them. The way people choose to use those traits to set goals, pursue happiness, and live their lives is up to them.
To answer your questions: A middle-of-the-road and timid to act ENTJ would look like one in an inferior Fi grip. An ENTJ that can't easily access, regularly use, and naturally wield their functions of their stack in the correct order (Te-Ni-Se-Fi) isn't an ENTJ. I don't buy the whole "I was in a grip for 10 years because of [trauma] but I'm really this other type." Your personality is who you are the majority of the time, it's the norm and not the exception.
The better question is: What is success? If it's money and career, then a lot of ENTJs I know would be labeled very successful because their qualities translate well in that space. If success is having many strong personal relationships and an expert handling of emotions, then a lot of ENTJs I know would not be labeled very successful. The difference is that society uplifts the first definition of success and not the second definition so it's important not to conflate traditional success as 'normal' and untraditional success as 'abnormal'.
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do you think any mbti + eneagram combo is possible? lately I've seen many people talking that intuitives can't be e types 8, 9 & 1 bc those are sensory oriented, or Te doms can't b 5s bc it's based on inner logic or that introverts can't be type 3 and etc etc and I would love to read your thoughts about it.
Possible? Yes.
Likely? No.
This post perfectly sums up my thoughts on mbti + enneagram combos.
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Hi Mr. ENTJ. You mentioned before that you're a career coach. Do you take the person's MBTI type into consideration when you give career advice to the people you've coached? I'm wondering how that affects what you say or how you say things to them. Thank you.
Yes, but I first take their goals into consideration ("Is my advice going to maximize the chances of securing the outcome they're aiming for?"), then their personality type ("How can I tailor this plan so the person will actually use it?"). Their personality type affects how I frame feedback, pose questions, and tailor potential solutions to their problems.
Although everyone is an individual, I've seen patterns emerge from my 15+ years of career coaching and tracking career outcomes based on type that inform my advice:
xNFPs / xNTPs who join big corporations typically end up miserable and dead inside, better outcomes are seen when they join smaller companies or freelance to do their own thing.
xNFPs are the least money motivated of all the types unless they're enneagram 3s trying to be xxTJs then they try to suck it up and suffer through corporate hell although they're not very successful with upward mobility. Those that persist end up on Tumblr quoting Nietzsche and screaming about individuality and freedom.
xNTPs swing dramatically between having 9,999,999 different career ideas they want to explore or no ideas at all because they're procrastinating and avoiding career planning at all cost. If they have rich parents, they can afford to further avoid career planning for a few more years until they reach back out to me in a panic because they're approaching their late 20s/30s and are now 'behind'.
xNFJs tend to first lean towards big picture but impractical careers that will improve society in some capacity (psychology, public health, social justice) and they'll try to Mother Teresa it for a bit. If it works, it really works. If it doesn't work, they default into corporate roles to pay the bills or go back to school for another degree.
xNxPs and INFJs are highly represented in academia (PhD programs). They're 2 inches wide and 2 miles deep (specialists). Most of them are convinced that more education is always better. For personal reasons, sure. For professional advancement, not always, and at times it’s detrimental.
xSTJs are resistant to joining smaller and unproven startups unless it's their own idea, they have a high preference for joining established companies immediately post-graduation and typically rise quickly.
ISTJs tend to resist or delay taking up people management positions preferring instead to be specialists (highly ranked individual contributors).
INTJs tend to toy with a career in politics while in college until they join the workforce, meet other human beings, and are forced to work with dumb people which set that dream on fire.
IxTJs in careers they hate make the best online memes.
xSxPs you never have to worry about because they always find a way to make money even though their career moves are heart attack inducing.
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Hi Mr. ENTJ. Question for you from me (INTJ) and ENTP partner. You talk about having bold visions as important for strong leadership and I wonder: wouldn't that make us xNTx types naturally better attuned for those positions since we have the ability to create new uncharted realities? What have you seen that holds us back from reaching our ambitious goals? Thank you.
3 main things:
1. We're intellectually arrogant. NTs (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ) are the most intellectually arrogant types in the MBTI regardless of enneagram, bar none. The STs (ESTP, ISTP, ESTJ, ISTJ) are a very distant second because sensors are more attuned with concrete evidence and the world around them; they're more receptive to feedback if their ideas are stupid and won't work. It's generally easier to check arrogant sensors than arrogant intuitives because intuitives are less tethered by reality and NTs in particular overindex on intelligence.
Intellectual arrogance hurts us in a couple of critical ways:
It makes us resistant to feedback. "I'm smarter than you so why the hell should I listen to anything you suggest?"
It makes us clash against 'authority'. "I'm more competent than you so why the hell should I take orders from you? Why should I respect you?"
It makes us impatient. "I'm smarter and better than everyone, I should be promoted and running this place already."
The inability to play nice with others sabotages opportunities, reputations, and relationships.
2. We make shitty foot soldiers. Related to the above, but we're not great at grunt work. We think it's beneath us, we don't want to pay our dues, and we'll try different ways to skip, minimize, and hack our way to avoid as much of it as possible. Granted, some of it can definitely be skipped (i.e. going to a prestigious university and recruiting well can help you skip the bottom rungs of the ladder) but at some point you'll need to pay your dues. You need to put in the necessary time and work because intelligence is not enough. You need experience for credibility, real world practice for mastery, and battle scars from failure for maturity.
The inability to pay our dues sabotages growth, progression, and upward mobility.
3. We struggle with execution. NTs have a lot of great ideas that fizzle out when it's time to implement them. Great ideas are a dime a dozen, everyone and their grandmother has a 'great idea', but very few people can make them a reality because that's when the real grind begins. The difference between a visionary intuitive with groundbreaking ideas and a delusional intuitive with crazy ideas is one thing: execution.
The inability to execute sabotages our visions and prevents our ideas from coming to life.
Be aware of these shortcomings and work on them along your journeys.
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Hi Mr. ENTJ! I had a question about choosing leaders of a similar scenario I'm facing. Pretend that you know nothing about two people that would be your potential manager other than their MBTI type. You can't meet them, talk to them, or find more information. Just their MBTI type. One is an ENFJ and one is an ENTJ. Who would you choose and why?
If I was early in my career and/or a low performer, I'd choose the ENFJ.
If I was later in my career and/or a high performer, I'd choose the ENTJ.
ENFJ leaders tend to be more patient with teaching and mentoring junior people, they're also more forgiving when it comes to low performance and they'll give more chances to fix mistakes. However, they tend to struggle with managing high performers and they promote slower.
ENTJ leaders tend to be more skilled with collaborating and innovating with experienced people, they'll provide opportunities to high performers and promote faster. However, they tend to be more impatient dealing with low performers and they fire faster.
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about this post - how would fjs/tps go about it?
Similar patterns with different focuses:
FJs map to the TJ thought process: they start externally with a focus on options that positively impact the people, community, and culture around them, then move internally into what makes sense for them, their lives, and their personal preferences.
TPs map to the FP thought process: they start internally with a focus on options that intellectually interest and challenge them, then move externally into how they can take that idea to positively impact the people, community, and culture around them.
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Hi, Mr. ENTJ. Not sure if I'm an infp or isfp cause the older i get the more worried i'm with my future. I never was sure about what i want to focus, what i truly love to work with. But when i want to do something i like, i don't have enough money to invest on it. My creativity to my works depends on my emotions and i'm afraid to depend on emotions that can come and go. So i was thinking if i should study and work with something i dont like, but gives me lots of money... I'm afraid to feel empty with this decision, to lose my autonomy, my life time and feel like "in a cage" while i see others knowing exactly what they love to do, and owning their own business. I don't know how I can find myself and be like them...
This answer is relevant to you.
Adding to that: you need to be aware that "making a lot of money" is already extremely difficult for many people in this world who love money and who are money motivated. It's far from a guarantee. For someone who doesn't love money and who isn't money motivated, this pursuit is made even more difficult because of lack of sustained effort and focus. Now add to that equation an Fi-dom who doesn't love money and who isn't money motivated and you have a formula for almost certain failure.
Identify what's most meaningful in life to you, pursue it in a strategic way, and make just enough money to maintain the baseline quality of life that will make you comfortable.
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How do you access tenderness as an ENTJ? I'm an ENTJ and I am transitioning from being a relentless, blunt force to being a discerning, gentle force, like the art of jiu jitsu. I am curious what strategies, perspective, and/or tools help you access and practice gentle force.
Listen more than you speak. Let other people completely empty their thoughts and feelings even if you think you know what the other person is going to say. Even if you can predict their next words, let them finish. This helps people feel validated.
Ask more than you tell. Ask questions instead of dishing out feedback and solutions. Don’t make snap assumptions or jump to hasty conclusions because it can convey harsh judgment which is an automatic red flag to most people to stop confiding in you. Go deep with people to get to the root cause of problems. Instead of telling people what they should do, try: “Have you considered this?” This helps people feel supported.
Learn action through inaction. Many people know what needs to be done, they may just take longer to gather the courage and energy to do it. Understand and appreciate that even if things aren’t outwardly changing, they’re inwardly progressing at their own pace. Practice patience and exercise stillness. This helps people feel respected.
Customize more than you generalize. Tailor your responses and solutions based on what the other person wants and needs-- not what you think they should want or need. Help people achieve their individualized goals and not the ones you have in mind for them. Remember that problems have objective and predictable patterns, but people are wildly nuanced. See them as a person to help, not a problem to solve. This helps people feel loved.
Empower, don’t overpower. Give people the tools, resources, and knowledge they need to fix their own problems and achieve their own goals. Don’t do things for them because it only extends the problem; remember that it’s better to teach a man how to fish than to give a man a fish. Above all, remember that you can’t force people to change-- you can only support them when they’re ready to do it themselves. This helps people feel strong.
As a reminder, only because I’ve seen other ENTJs stumble while trying to do the same thing you’re trying to do-- don’t try to be someone you’re not. You’re not an xxFJ, you should never try to be, but you’re excellent in your own way because you bring your unique strengths and contributions to your relationships. The goal now is to polish those personal strengths so they 1) better resonate with other people and 2) more effectively improve their lives.
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Hello! Mind if you elaborate more on the “artsy TP/technical FP” paragraph in this ask?
Being ENFP myself, I think I already know why this is the case. BUT it doesn’t hurt to hear your input too because you articulate your thoughts so well🤣🤣🤣 Whenever I look through “recommended careers for ENFPs” on mbti sites, I oddly never related to them…they’d always state that “artistic or creative-based” careers are ideal or that “traditional” jobs are too rigid. But after seeing your explanation, everything made MUCH more sense. I genuinely like computer science and finance (I’m an MIS major). Is the coursework extremely difficult sometimes? Yes. Does it make me go insane sometimes? YES! Not gonna lie, I’ve cried many times while trying to even pass my classes because of the need of getting things done (versus my inner battle of crushing my procrastination relapses🤮).
But in the end, I develop a deeper appreciation for it because of that adrenaline-inducing feeling of skill acquisition. It feels like I'm taking ahold of my tertiary Te and exercising it. It’s that feeling of becoming a more esteemable being and assuring myself that I am preparing myself for a better future. My tertiary Te feels like a gift. Even though I’m far from perfect and have a long way to go, I still love my major and have no regrets choosing it. 💓 Being around other high Te users honestly hurts sometimes (my ISTJ older sister)…but it’s also their bittersweet stinging that propels me to do better. 💖
[happily shows up to my future job wearing all pink and jotting down notes from meetings in my pink notebook and my fluffy pink pen🥰💅🏼uwu]
I appreciate the arts and I appreciate nonprofit/social work too. But I could never see myself approaching these as full-time careers, but more as hobbies or a side-job. I was never really the artsy-fartsy type, but I definitely respect such folks from afar 💘 This makes me wonder how my fellow ENTP neighbors develop their tertiary Fe which would soon lead them to those said artistic careers?
Sure. People are people, they'll use their functions to process information in patterns aligned with their type, but final decisions are nuanced and different for each person. I just happen to have this weird combination of: 1) exposure to way too many people and 2) a knowledge of typology so I'm actively looking for patterns. Type doesn't determine career choice or success, but data does inform trends.
The reason why xxFPs are highly represented in artistic careers is because those careers more likely allow them a high amount of freedom for self-expression and authenticity. In many cases, creative careers can also give them flexibility to manage their own time (i.e. freelance writer, freelance artist) so they're not committed to a specific company where they can feel easily suffocated by externally imposed routines, projects, and deadlines.
With xxFPs, the common trend is less that they're all artistic/creative savants-- far from it-- and more that high Fi selects careers using an ‘inside out’ method that’s the opposite of the high Te method. For that reason, xxFPs are far more likely to try and turn hobbies into paying careers than just about any other MBTI type because these are passion pursuits defined by their internal preferences, values, and priorities.
The deciding factor is less the type of career (artistic vs. technical) and more how the underlying mission/impact resonates with the xxFP’s values.
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How do you determine/recognize when something is right? I’ve witnessed several ENTJs operate by doing things that they believe are right and I’ve been curious
On a very basic level:
If my action contributes to the solution and objectively makes a positive impact towards the goal-- it's right.
If my action exacerbates the problem and objectively makes a negative impact towards the goal-- it's wrong.
The definition of 'objective' means independent of how I personally feel about the action; whether I like it or not, if it works, then it works. The definitions of 'solution', 'problem', 'positive impact', and 'negative impact' will vary by person because it's goal dependent.
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