listen to me

I need everyone to understand that this shot came after a very deliberate storytelling sequence where Sylvie and Loki separated, and after Loki made the active choice not to follow her (a reversal of s1 ep2), and after he made the active choice to stay at the TVA and stay with Mobius

and speaking of Choices that were made: this image right here was excessively choreographed and is very POSED

this moment right here is not, strictly speaking, “realistic” behavior; they had everyone freeze and Loki do this action of putting his hand on Mobius’ shoulder because it’s for the audience to Notice

so WHAT IS THIS CONSTRUCTED POSE TELLING YOU? WHAT ARE YOU NOTICING?

(Lokius endgame 🏳️‍🌈)

lokius. sylki. frecklefrost. frostiron. long ago, the four ships lived together in bloodshed harmony. then everything changed when the loki finale attacked. only fanfic, master of all four ships, could stop it.

RIP

Is. . . Is Loki and Mobius actually going to happen?

I’m always very hesitant to get hopeful about queer ships becoming canon but. . . the way they look at each other? How Loki comforts him after he flies off the handle?? “It’s harder to stay” and then Sylvie leaves and he goes back to Mobius, who has always stood by him??? The vibes in general????

my current loki season two theory is that they’ll move into the journey into mystery plot when renslayer is in the void because kid loki is probably still there

Y'know... I was having such a good time,,, running around the fair,,, Mobius enjoying the sightseeing,,, seeing the victorian fashion,,, and the cool sets,,, and the cool time stuff,, and then they had to bludgeon me over the head with the Miss Minutes wants to fuck Kang the Conquerer plot point

Loki episode 5 review

My

My honey.

Sylvie.

Love of my life.

Don’t you ever scare me like that again PLEASE.

GOD

SCREAMS.

I’m gonna go hug her on Character.AI now.

LOKI S2 E5 spoiler

HAVE YALL STAYED TIL THE END OF THE CREDITS.

A SHOUTING MALE VOICE SAYS

"YOU DIED. INSERT YOUR COIN, LOSER"

What the fuck is up with that?

I wonder if Victor Timely knew, even subconsciously, that he had to be the one to go out onto the sacred timeline, not to fix it but to always ensure that once everything was reset he would be the one at the end of time. And even the one time that he did fix the loom he knew that he would need to say something to ensure that he/he who remains would always be brought back no matter what happened, at least until loki realized that it should be him who fixes everything.

No, but like ok,

Loki season 2 episode 4 spoilers 👇

so Loki had to choose to um ... "end" (?) himself again? But not because he didn't see a life for himself, but because he knew for a fact there was a life for himself out there? I'm going to be thinking about that one for a while.

“You’re just annoyed that your personal headcanon isn’t canon!”

Or; my personal thoughts (ranting) about the Loki series and its surrounding toxic discourse.

First of all, I’m going to preface this with the following: whether you loved or hated the Loki series, or you fall somewhere in between, your opinion is valid and if anyone tells you that you can’t express that in a critical manner, then they need to kindly go away. I should also mention the obvious which most people understand — death threats directed at anyone involved in making the series is disgusting and if you do so you’re fucking deluded.

Now that that’s out of the way…

I’m someone who wasn’t overly fond of the series in the end. I went in surprisingly hopeful after enjoying Wandavision and TFATWS. For the most part I really enjoyed the first 3 episodes (episode 3 being the best imo) but I found myself quickly disillusioned by how the narrative seemed to fall apart in terms of cohesiveness. Keeping it short and sweet, I feel like a lot of the relationships (whether platonic or otherwise) were rushed. I found Loki’d dynamic with both Mobius and Sylvie to be confusing, unbelievable, and all around not earned. It feels as though they had a start point and an end point (ie. Loki needs a genuine friend) but we didn’t see any of the journey in between to show how the relationship developed. The quote “after all this time…” in episode 6 sent me over. Like Loki pls you’ve known this woman for max two days or something… No, I’m not salty because he didn’t end up with Mobius. No, I’m not salty because of “selfcest”. I’m salty because I don’t think the relationships were done as well as they could have been. Also, even though no one asked, Loki x therapy is the only ship I give a rats about.

Other points include the following:

Loki felt more like a side character with little impact on the events in his own show.

Sylvie sometimes teeters into Mary-Sue territory, and at times appears to be valued only because she is a woman.

Mobius’ relationship with Loki seems inherently toxic and he is not his therapist. As someone who regularly attends therapy sessions, if your therapist ever talks to you like Mobius talks to Loki — get a new goddamn therapist, Jesus Christ…

In my opinion, the show explores very little of Loki’s character and what makes him tick, especially considering this is post-Avengers 2012 Loki. I’m aware there were only six episodes and I’m not expecting everything to be crammed in, but where Loki was in Thor 1 and the Avengers seems so disconnected from where he is in the series. It seems to portray him as someone hellbent on power and ruling, as opposed to someone desperate for respect and the love of his family/people.

But I digress, the real point of this post was to tell certain people to feck off. Obviously there’s going to be discourse around the series, but I’m starting to get really sick of one side telling the other “you put your personal headcanons on Loki”, “he’s not your character”, “you’re just annoyed because canon didn’t go how you wanted”, “you’re projecting your own abuse on him”, blah blah blah. And here was me thinking the discourse around Ragnarok was bad, but this is another level, lads.

Here’s an idea, how about people who liked the show stop acting like those who didn’t just pulled their opinion on Loki right out of their own ass? All I know is that every opinion I’ve ever formed on him was based on the first three films he appeared in. That’s it — nothing made up because I love to project as someone who went through similar shit to him.

Discuss the show, but don’t be a massive bellend about it.

In summary, Tom Hiddleston I am free next Saturday if you are free next Saturday and I’ll buy all the rounds of Jameson you need while we talk about Loki and how he — no matter what happens to him within the MCU from here on out — will always be one of favourite characters to grace the big screen.

(Anyway who cares what I think, people are just going to call me a whiny Loki apologist regardless.)

You lose, or you fail, and people tell you it's just because something better is coming for you. Loki sought power and kingdoms for thousands of years, and for thousands of years, he lost and failed. There was something more important coming. He ends up with ultimate power over time and his kingdom is all the multiverse.

loki didn’t want the throne.

loki didn’t want a throne. they wanted to be equal to thor — to be worthy. loki wanted to be as valued as thor was, by odin and by the rest of asgard, and to be as valued as thor equaled being made king. they didn’t want the throne for power or for the sake of having it. they wanted it for the express purpose of proving their worth.

but the way loki is presented throughout the series is that they do want the throne, apart from that reason:

loki’s motivation in the first few episodes is taking over the tva and replacing the timekeepers — wanting the throne.

in the mobius interrogation (and the rest of the show), the new york attack is construed as stemming from loki’s lust for power, when in reality loki was being influenced by the mind stone and threatened by thanos.

nearly all the loki variants in the field world betrayed each other over the throne. why would so many of the lokis want a throne? they’re all variants, and supposedly had different upbringings and a different life than sacred timeline loki. wanting a throne isn’t intrinsic to loki’s character, it’s specifically because of odin treating them as lesser than thor. it doesn’t make sense that ALL variants but kid loki and classic loki would want it.

in the season one finale, loki says to sylvie “i don’t want a throne.” this is framed like it’s character development, like it’s something new. that they learned this over the course of the series, when really loki had been like this since thor 1.

a counterargument to this could be: “loki did this because they were falling back on old motivations. they didn’t know what else to do, so they went for what they were used to.”

if that was how the show had framed it, then i would agree, that makes more sense. but that’s not how the show presented it (and if it was their intention, they did a bad job at it). and that still wouldn’t make the ending satisfying. because then here’s loki, who was trying to get a throne because they didn’t know what else to do, and they finally start to realize that they don’t need it to be loved. only then to leave their friends and be stuck on a throne.

a throne is what loki thinks they want

because they want and need to be valued 

but they need to realize that they can be valued, and should be valued, without it

and then the people who value them are ripped away and loki gets the throne?

there’s a fine but big difference between wanting the throne because they believe they’re better than everyone else and wanting the throne because they believe it will earn them love.

(maybe “loki didn’t want the throne” isn’t the best phrasing — it would be more accurate to say that series ignored why they wanted it.)

the series says “loki wanted a throne because they believed they should have it. then they grew past that. and now, in a tragic but beautiful twist of fate, they have finally have one.”

if that had actually been the case, then the ending would have been satisfying. it would have clicked.

but loki never truly wanted it in the first place. 

ending the series with loki all alone, “finally getting what they’ve always wanted” when they’ve never wanted it, is an unnecessary tragedy. it’s not cathartic because there’s no loop. it’s just continuous pain.

I hope Tom Hiddleston is finally free of being under contract to Big Mouse.

Random theory I have floating around me head

(Spoilers for the most recent loki ep)

Does Miss Minutes love her creator because she actually built a true bond with him or was it because no one else treated her like a real sentient being?

Until Loki came around she was basically treated the same way that Clippy was.

Just a computer like program that helped do any work that was requested of her

Did she have any friends outside of her maker?

She must want a physical relationship due to her wanting a body.......did he fall for a real human and that's why she gets so jealous when even a variant of him looks at another women?

(I hate it and its weird, I am just questioning the details around this)

THE WAY I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE B-15 IS VERITY WILLIS THATS SO EPIC