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Heartstopper (2022- ) | Season 1 Episode 3
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JULIO AND JANE IS THE MOST UNDERRATED SHIP EVERRR I LOVE THEM SO MUCH YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND!!!!
#janio#JANIO SUPREMACY#Julio and Jane#Julio spring#jane spring#jane spring fanart#Julio spring fanart#osemanverse#Alice osemanverse#tori spring#solitaire#solitaire alice oseman#alice oseman#heartstopper#this winter
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OLIVER SPRING I LOVE YOU
#alice oseman#osemanverse#heartstopper#heartstopper alice oseman#heartstopper comic#charlie spring#oliver spring#jane spring#julio spring#spring family#spring siblings
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Can we talk about the dinner scene in "Sorry" (2.7)
I have plenty of issues with Jane and Julio Spring. This is just. An analysis??
Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's just because of how different Jane and Julio's reactions were in the comics, but I have this idea in my head that Jane and Julio are a little convinced that Charlie is just some phase for Nick.
Like, I imagine that they had this idea that Charlie was safe with this big, strong rugby lad that would protect him from bullies. There are all these stories of boyhood and best friends and how strong those bonds can be, but suddenly they aren't best friends. They're boyfriends, and that means that Charlie is now investing himself into something that could break his heart. And yes! I am calling on biphobia and visual stereotypes when I say that I can feel it in my bones that Jane and Julio were convinced that Nick isn't as serious about Charlie as Charlie is about Nick.
And then there is the dinner. And can you just imagine what these overprotective parents must have felt when this boy was being relentlessly teased about his feelings for their son? Like, David was being a dick because he wanted to embarrass Nick. He wanted to taunt Nick and everyone else at the table with the ideas that these BOYS are together. That they are queer. They are different and so it MUST be uncomfortable.
Jane and Julio are quite distant and a bit cold, but they aren't stupid. And then Nick--who is dealing with all of these awful feelings-- COMES OUT to his father whilst being respectful and composed. There is not a single indicator of embarrassment or shame, just his desire to protect both himself and Charlie.
I just can't get over it!! How safe Nick must feel to them!! A boy who clearly comes from a house of cold, distant men growing up to be so warm and kind and loving!!! And he's all in for their little boy, who they have been so so worried about and I am just. UGH
Sorry. I was a teensy bit 🍃 and cried about it for like 10 minutes and uhh had to post about it 🫶🏼
#charlie spring#heartstopper#nick nelson#charlie x nick#heartstopper comics#heartstopper netflix#heartstopper spoilers#jane spring#julio spring
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Julio & Tori Spring in Heartstopper Volume 3 p. 571-572 (2020)/ 2x1 Out (2023)
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obviously, when an autistic man and a woman with some sort of anxiety disorder (both undiagnosed) have 3 kids they're probably going to be neurodivergent too won't they
#solitaire#osemanverse#heartstopper#tori spring#charlie spring#oliver spring#julio spring#jane spring#jane and julio#literally an autistic daughter#one son with OCD#and the other that probably has ADHD
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jane is such a proud mother.
i honestly don’t think she is a bad mother at least not in heartstopper. in solitaire, i think yes she wasn’t the best mother to tori specifically but i truly believe she isn’t all that bad. maybe she is just better at communicating with charlie than she is with tori because the way she treats all of her kids varies and she is much more ‘hostile’ in solitaire than she is in heartstopper.
#jane spring#spring family#charlie spring#tori spring#oliver spring#julio spring#heartstopper#nick and charlie#nick nelson#lgbtqia#queer#alice oseman#ya novels#osemanverse#michael holden#solitaire#lgbtq#sprolden
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ethics of motherhood: the jane / charlie spring essay
ever since the release of the second season of heartstopper i've seen so many different opinions on jane spring as a parent; she's the absolute devil, overbearing, completely against understanding charlie and his relationship with nick etc. etc. but i would like to delve into why i think the way alice set up jane spring in s2 is a /great/ gateway into a deeper, nuanced storyline between jane and charlie because, quite honestly - it's clearly long overdue. once again, i'd like to use backstory from the comics to infer what might be happening to jane in the series and how, maybe a bit surprisingly to some - charlie is in some respects a lot more like her than you might think.
please note: this is not an apology, or an excuse to jane's behaviour as a mother to charlie; i just want to give her actions a context and i think, show the room for growth which I think would be a beautiful, very nuanced, storyline between parent and child to take on in charlie's mental health story in s3/4.
(tw for parental abuse, discussion of eating disorder)
one thing that really informs jane spring as a character and as a mother in general is her own mother. we see in the comics that her mother is a. physically abusive and b. does not allow jane to have any criticism against her and uses that as a reason for the abuse.
jane later tells charlie the following on her relationship with her mother, acknowledging the effect that her mother had on her - to an extent. she softens the things that happened to her.
jane knows this of her being a mother: she's overbearing, her mother was too, and she was also hoping to be very different to what her mother was to her.
now what i think is a vital thing to consider is the following: jane grew up in a household where she was physically and emotionally unsafe. she was hit for expressing normal teenage behaviour. it should be okay to sometimes not agree with your parents and pushing back at them. they should provide you with a safe method of communication for doing so but they never taught jane that. as a result, i think it's a very human response of people to try and make sure they deal with things differently when they get older; but that also can result in overcompensating behaviour.
my feeling is that jane is overly focused, i think unconsciously, on keeping in particular charlie safe, and in that sometimes loses sight on making him feel actually (emotionally) safe. because safe means to jane: performing well in school, not doing anything that might be dangerous, but also: keep in line with expected social behaviour. what is the safest thing, jane thinks? that your behaviour is perfect. because if you don't give others any reason to think you're being out of order (in whatever way), you will not get abuse. safe is being perfect, doing everything perfectly. you can and should control your life in such a way that it will be possible for things to be perfect.
and guess who feels that way too?
kids learn a lot more from their parents than they would think (or even like).
one of the most interesting changes from novel to tv series i think, is the change of having jane not being immediately supportive of nick from the get go; as it fits in quite well with jane's character trait of being focused on charlie's safety (and by extension julio's character, but he goes about this differently and quite honestly... can be quite of a wet wipe lol) and exercising control over his behaviour to make him safe in her own eyes. she wants him to be socially presentable ("please change out of your pyjamas to meet guests"), to focus on school work, and for him to listen to her when she says he needs to come home; in a sense i think she wants to be aware of where charlie is at a given time and not too stay out too late, because the night? that might be dangerous.
we have to remember that charlie was severely bullied only a year ago, and julio's constant reminders of charlie in s1 of please calling him when the situation gets out of hand with nick's circle of "friends", indicates to me that his parents were aware of the bullying, maybe being informed by ajayi bc i don't see charlie being able to tell that to his parents himself. so: nick's "sort" (tao mentions his circle as "exactly the sort of people who bullied [charlie]") are in jane's eyes boys to be weary of.
so when charlie tells his parents, jane doesn't totally trust it.
this is worsened when it turns out nick is also going on the paris trip. for charlie, that's not the only reason to on the trip at all, but the way the conversation goes with julio's comment that's the reason why he wants to go, this is where nick gets associated in her mind with charlie as something that she needs to be aware of and perhaps even intervene. to make sure he's safe. she needs to control the situation if it goes wrong.
which she does. almost immediately. when charlie shows behaviour out of the ordinary for him and the only cause she sees is nick; he's the new factor in all of this.
it's like she thinks if she doesn't completely nip this behaviour in the bud in a very hard way, all the bad things imaginable will come immediately. like charlie would flunk school within a few weeks. charlie, who's been a high achiever! julio's response is actually quite appropriate, i personally think: it's not a wonder that you're unfocused bc you have been spending time a lot (which we've seen! on screen!) but also i don't want ban you from seeing him completely, just set some boundaries.
interestingly enough, this is also due to charlie overly focusing his efforts on keeping nick essentially perfectly safe in his coming out as well; unfortunately, in that final scene shown above, he's just realised that he's got no control over nick's coming outs being perfect, as david has shown to be very biphobic and dismissive of nick in a way that neither nick or charlie had any say in or could even prevent from happening. jane has the option of trying to control things because she's his mother and has some authority over his life.
jane disappears in the show after this issue of charlie handing in his course work gets resolved for a while, so it does seem like she very much keeps to her word afterwards.
she comes back in time for some growth. tori rightly mentions that the family dinner is not something that their mum would totally enjoy bc tori has seen the criticism jane has regarding nick. but charlie does know nick, feels emotionally safe with him, especially after their convo in the louvre and nick being open about his dad, so charlie is right in saying nick, as a person not the idea that jane has of him by association, might convince her.
and he does.
nick can be trusted; nick has come out to his neglectful parent, chastised his older brother for being an asshole, mentions he feels happy with his life with charlie and living openly as his boyfriend and apologises to his mother for ruining the dinner (a sign of a well mannered boy!). and when sarah tells jane that this is something that she's never seen nick do and that must be of nick's deep care for charlie, jane thinks..
and comes around (a bit).
unfortunately, her overt focus on charlie's grades slipping being due to nick's influence in his life completely makes her neglect the signs that charlie is not eating well (that's something that is building up so gradually that i don't think she sees it as an option). there are some great metas on here by @ finnicksannie regarding this being one of the biggest reasons why charlie's grades are actually slipping.
all in all, i just want to close by saying this is a deeply traumatised mother parenting a deeply traumatised son and they both need time and therapy for a better understanding of the communication between them.
and i think the end of season 2 sets up a nice storyline about that quite nicely. jane accepts nick in their circle, but her communication with charlie has not been resolved; it's just a little tick towards her needing to trust charlie more. he's got good instincts. she's starting to realise.
this is all not an excuse. it's a set up for a responsibility on jane's part to work to communicate with charlie better. but life is life. and we're humans. sometimes we need to learn to grow.
and in the mean time, in the small moments, maybe with what you would say is the bare minimum, with not agreeing with charlie's self deprecation, jane does show her love of her son.
i don't think it's without reason that this was shown.
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i have not read the novel solitaire / nick & charlie / this winter. feel free to add in comments if there's something in there too! but i do feel the series might incorporate jane's storyline maybe a little bit differently than from in the books; but it sounds like her controlling behaviour is a throughline to it all.
#heartstopper#heartstopperedit#heartstopper meta#charlie spring#jane spring#julio spring#nick nelson#narlie#my words#my edits#daddy issues the essay last season with nick's dad#mommy issues the essay now!
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#osemanverse fandom#osemanverse#this winter#heartstopper comics#heartstopper#julio spring#alice oseman
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yo guys lil sneak peek of my story since im bored and loki proud of it haha
hope u guys like this so far, i might change it but idk
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how did ur parents and siblings react when u cut ur hair?
ollie asked me if he could brush it, of course
charlie complimented it (even though i know i looked pretty bad)
my dad wasn't too bothered, i think he just wanted me to have a sense of individuality
my mum was fuming that i spent my backpack money on a haircut, though...
#alice oseman#tori spring#heartstopper#osemanverse#solitaire#heartstopper comics#michael holden#anonymous#ask#charlie spring#oliver spring#julio spring#jane spring
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I know we all talk about how painful it will be to watch Kit and Joe’s season 3 performances … and it’s 100% real. However, I raise you another painful performance in the future:
Joseph Balderrama as Julio Spring
Think about it. Think about Julio comforting Charlie in the car after the party. Think about how worried he is during drop-off and pick-up at the movie theater.
Worse still, think about the sadness in his eyes as he listens to Nick confront his father about not taking an interest in his life.
Now picture him as Charlie tells his parents about his struggles with eating. We are not prepared, or at least I’m not.
#julio spring#charlie spring#nick nelson#joseph balderrama#joe locke#kit connor#heartstopper#heartstopper comic#heartstopper spoilers#heartstopper season 2#tw disordered eating
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YES YES YES YES SYE ESYEYHEHWIWIAH
#CRIES AND DIES#LLFAOOOOO CHARLIE CANT SOEAK SPANISH#JULIOOOO#JANEEEE#MY LOVES#charlie spring#jane and julio spring#julio spring#Jane spring
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this format has so much potential i just had to use it
#alice oseman#osemanverse#heartstopper#heartstopper comic#heartstopper alice oseman#charlie spring#tori spring#oliver spring#jane spring#julio spring#spring family#solitaire#mine#jane spring is not a terrible mom!!
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Ngl the Heartstopper+ Solitaire community are weirdly misongynistic when it comes to Jane. Like, She regularly argued with Charlie during the peak of his mental health crisis but as someone with an eating disorder- Ed's can and will affect not just you but your family dynamic as well in all the worst ways possible, and It was good of Alice to include that but It seems like the fans (Twitter fans specifically) don't grasp that.
I literally saw a tweet of someone saying that If Julio had left Jane, Charlie's crisis would have been avoided💀 Wtaf??? They keep praising Julio and act like he is of all good and the human verion of archangel Micheal, then acting like Dante aligheiri came up from the dead just to include Jane in the chapter about the deepest layer of hell as belzebubs personal assistant in Dantes inferno.
She's just a mom with her own extensive trauma trying to parent three kids who have their own mental issues, Julio isn't even that much better than her.
#jane spring#I knew I shouldn't have relapsed onto twitter again but the withdrawal was too strong#But I've learned my lesson now#heartstopper#julio spring#osemanverse#tori spring#charlie spring#oliver spring#heartstopper comic#alice oseman#solitaire
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more people need to talk about how important it is to show a father hugging his teenage son while he cries, and all he says is “it’s okay, I’ve got you, everything is going to be alright.” He doesn’t try to stop him from crying, doesn’t tell him to man up, doesn’t tell him to stop feeling his feelings. this is a quiet scene, but incredibly powerful - because normalizing is powerful.
#charlie spring#julio spring#heartstopper#heartstopper netflix#heartstopper spoilers#heartstopper episode 3
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