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ruwithmeguys · 5 years

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The chances of an eighth season of Arrow is high, but beyond that… I think the chances have dropped for more than 8 but I could be wrong.

Why I think it’s ending after S8 (and why it may not):

Both Stephen and Emily have stated they want to write and direct but haven’t, despite the chances. They may want to work on new things after next year.

Though he’s agreed to an eighth season, Stephen has made several comments the last 12 months indicating his acceptance of the end and how Oliver really only has one true goal left to accomplish.

The show doesn’t just feel like it’s hitting a new milestone: it feels like it’s preparing us for something (unless it’s just a shocking SL and I’m very wrong)

The interest in superhero tv shows is starting to dwindle because of the sheer number of options available. This however, is open to change. Especially after the last avengers movie hits the cinemas. They may turn to shows like Arrow as an alternative.

Unless the show comes up with a brand new focus to pit Oliver against, beyond his own darkness, then… what? What’s the story?

Indications that John may become the GL means he’s available for other shows after Arrow ends.

Where Oliver goes, Felicity goes. The indications that Oliver will eventually step back from the hood keep ramping up.

They are leading the show towards the future: it’s an obvious passing of the baton.

They are limited in terms of comic origin as there’s only so much story they can pilfer from the comics before DC stop them.

They will need an intense, captivating original story to keep Stephen/Emily and the audience on board past S8 and where they go, the audience go.

We know Arrow won’t live past 10 seasons anyway.

Why I want Arrow to end after 8 seasons:

Too many new characters – unless the show axes at least two of the regulars, we’re never truly going to get the depth we deserve in the scenes focused on our mains… HOWEVER. You can also argue that they don’t need more depth because we basically know them inside out. Another reason right there.

Run its course - Arrow is that show. It isn’t even that good to be honest – the script is either amaze-balls or ridiculous and illogical, the action sequences take up too much space at times and continuity is a huge issue – however we love it as if it were made of gold. Despite our complaints, we watch it because it gave us something that most shows don’t. It gave us a love story for the ages that wasn’t supposed to exist and demanded acceptance of it. It dared so it has our respect.

However, Stephen said something recently. He said, all that remains of Oliver’s story is to leave a legacy. He doesn’t have to die for it to happen, but it has to happen. There two ways for this to be possible: have a baby with Felicity and become a legend. He’ll do both, huzzah! But, barring the immediate concerns of this story, there isn’t a whole lot of character building left to accomplish (suck it Barry/Kara) for Oliver. It’s all outside material. His sister is an issue too, but after this season, focus on him for her story won’t be required. I’m here for Oliver, then Felicity. Just them and in that order.

Thea’s story is done folks, save the peripheral. Whatever happens next for her doesn’t have to be on screen, though I will be stunned if she doesn’t come back for the finale of the series. I have no wish to see more of it, unless it’s Roy inclusive. Why? Because so much of her story kind of… IT BLEW, OKAY? I was bored to tears with her after season 4 and only season 2 and 3 interested me for her character and Roy was entwined in that.

Building a legacy doesn’t mean characters just… disappear - and they don’t have to. So regardless of the end, Felicity will be out there. So will Oliver.

Diggle. This is a big one for me. He’s been changing since Oliver and Felicity left 3.23, since he killed Andy. But we haven’t seen the Dig we know and love since 5.23. That’s 32 episodes. For me, if what was broken isn’t fixed by 7.22, then I truly won’t care what occurs for him in the future, beyond simple curiosity. There’s been too much damage. There’s changing into a different person and then there’s being likeable. One episode is all I’m asking. Believe it or not, I’m actually enjoying his progression, but it’s progression that falls away from the man we dearly miss. Since the chances of him becoming the green lantern has risen… I have to say, I’m not surprised at the idea that John could leave his family behind both literally and figuratively. He’s done it before. He’s doing it now, but it has less impact if his ties are loose and not taut. I need them tightening. 13 episodes are left on S7. He needs to take steps. So either Dig becomes the green lantern… or he dies. If either occurs next year, then S8 will most likely be the end anyway. OTA are the main fixture: they know it, they’ve said it. Once one of them leaves, it’s a ticking clock.

The longer the show lasts, the more time they have to screw up.

I can’t stand another crossover where Oliver is verbally battered for existing.

Too many birds give me hives.

Dinah has become the new boring and siren, the cordelia: I can live without both.

Curits is such a poor example of a human being, it makes me rage, which is unhealthy

Rene is finally interesting to me again, even if I don’t trust him because he’s a fickle sod… which means I never will. So, I can’t like his storyline.

I’m so done with watching Felicity be friendless and treated with disrespect by people that she has to refer to as heroes whether they’ve earned the title or not, I feel like writing fiction where she kills them all and Oliver just stands there in approval.

The longer Arrow lasts, the longer Flash lasts and… NO.

The longer Arrow lasts, the longer Supergirl lasts and… NO.

Since they aren’t doing a thorough Constantine Drakon villain – an enemy with the potential to be amazing since he very literally crucifies the green arrow – I really do miss the big villain. I miss Malcolm: he was twisted but he was effective. You were supposed to hate him. I miss Slade: he’s still my favourite villain. Adrian was the best but they took too long introducing him so he falls short of the tension pedestal for me. Despite being sucktastic, Diaz presents a decent conundrum: he’s supposed to be an arsehole that won’t die so he’s a constant threat. We don’t have to like him. So I desperately need Stan to return. I need that creepy/psychotic enemy that throws everyone for a loop. Without it, I’m not sure about the show’s moral integrity goes to that isn’t about revisiting old ghosts since it’s based on good Vs evil etc. I need to wait and see where they go with this: it could become an organisation or an idea (vigilantes for the people: who watches the watchman type thing) instead of a person and I’ve given up hope on a woman villain who doesn’t irk me. I don’t need 1950’s cheese ball KC: it’s not effective.

Felicity. Now… I love what they’ve done with her character, even in S6 for the most part! However, this whole idea that her wearing a mask would undermine the meaning is pathetic. You had a street kid and a lawyer wearing one after less than a few months of training, but sure: Felicity wearing one would destroy the significance. Now, in one part, this elevates her character: she is the character that all others must work off at least once. It makes her too important to loose: Oliver, Barry, LL, Siren, Ray etc. On the other hand, it limits her capacity and keeps her boxed in which is why S7 has been such a relief to may of us. But I would have loved to have seen this woman suit up: at least she’d be convincing. Any chance of us seeing it happen now are slim to none which is a shame because, to me, her potential is limitless. What we would have given to have everyone else react to her kicking ass and taking names in a mask, with a moniker, and a headset/vice that details the logistics of buildings, sends out Trojans etc. She’d be a nightmare.

I think one more full season (20 to 22 episodes) on top of the 13 remaining, is enough to close Oliver’s legacy if done right which… is a stretch to hope for.

With so many superhero movies in play, if gone on long enough, Arrow will no doubt attempt to copy them as they have done in the past to ill effect.

Another year of rude anons/haters making claims, demanding I do as they tell me, being ridiculous and being constantly wrong in my inbox would be a welcome subtraction in my life.

…And why I want it to live forever:

This show was the show that made me aware of social media. It’s also the show that I needed at a dark time in my life: I was jobless, friendless and things were happening with my family that were less than desirable: it was a grand distraction that borderlined obsession. Or passion. Hm.

Despite certain plotlines, illogical character progression, overused devices, and faulty scripts; it truly is a one in a million show. Very different from all other shows.

The actors can ACT… for the most part.

The CGI effects are good.

It’s angsty x 10

The love story is worth the angst

There’s always more story to tell with good characters!

Once Oliver achieves the status he deserves, I want to see him revel in it.

…A 10 episode season 9 that focuses on olicity alone because I want it so bad?

The chance to bring back Tommy somehow

The wonderful people I talk to online daily JUST because of this show

The genuine friends I’ve made JUST because of this show.

The fanfiction that will continue longer if the show does

The posts and metas I don’t want to live without

The asks in my inbox that I enjoy answering and the anons I enjoy engaging with

TUMBLR – (with the smut please)

If the show has a chance of lasting past season 8, then what I want to see is a season that focuses ONLY on Oliver… and I’d have it elsewhere. I’d have the government involved. Felicity too. Dig. Just them three (it won’t happen).

The chance to see Curtis crash and burn

The chance to see Dinah crash and burn

The chance to see Rene crash and burn

The chance to see siren… go away somewhere

Felicity in a mask

An actual 9pm slot that’s used to it’s fullest extent

A crossover that focuses on what could have been on another earth and you KNOW they’d have Felicity be the vigilante, with Oliver as the guy who loves her despite her violent escapades. OR another life where they’re regular people that fall into an elaborate conspiracy or something.

There currently isn’t another show that can fill the void that Arrow will create when it ends.

A crossover where Oliver/Felicity kiss no one but each other… please.

A crossover- nay, an ENTIRE SEASON, where Oliver is praised for alllll his hard work and sacrifice.

An episode that marks Felicity, truly, as irreplaceable, necessary and needed for every other character to shine.

An episode arc that allows Felicity to be the one that defeats the bad guy.

You know… YOU KNOW that at some point they’ll deliberately have DC and marvel intersect.

Unfortunately, the cons currently outweigh the pro’s. And if so, if S8 is the last, then that’s an AMAZING run time for a show that was supposed to be only 5 seasons. And the story had enough meat in it for me to be happy for it……… though when that occurs, I’ll probably need to book time off to recover because oh my god I can’t even imagine.

The idea, if true, is a sad one. But again, if true, it won’t be till 2020. We have some time.

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ruwithmeguys · 7 years

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Just wondering whether you think that 5.20 etc was planned or something they decided to do because of fan reaction? Thanks!

(I’mguessing by your use of ‘etc’ that you’re referring to Olicity’s progression?)

Not a chance.Hell no. The reunion has been 100% set in stone since before they broke up. @louiseblue1 and @jbuffyangel have explained it so well in the past, much better than I’m about to.

HOW theydecided to do it, they figured out between May and August 2016, with a fewaddendum’s made by 5.05 was filmed. Whenthey knew the time they wanted them to reunite (as in, at the end of a season)? Roughly when they filmed 4.16. I knowthere are some people who disagree, but I know the truth.

Wantfacts first?

Bulletpoint answers coming up:

- Thescript for 5.19 was written before 5.14 even aired – which means they’d figuredit out before the ruckus that episode 15 inspired.

- They’ve known all season how much we dislike the LI’s: they still went ahead with them.

- Before writing scripts for a season, they must first plan the season. Good novelists andfanfiction authors do the same for a story they know will last a while (I don’tand I suffer for it). They don’t have enough time to change things on the spot lateron or mess about with the plot because of their tight schedule, which is whythey write scripts for episodes that are roughly 4 episodes ahead of the onesbeing filmed. And then they have to make sure the episodes work with thenarrative flows of the season. Advanced prep.

- When 5.05aired (an episode that was filmed before episode 1 aired), WM & MG bothadmitted that they wanted to explore Oliver and Felicity apart from each otherfor a bit FIRST. First. It impliesthat it isn’t forever. Just long enough for realisations to set in. And todrive the fandom insane.

- Beforethe season started no one said they were over. Yet by season 2’s end andbefore season 3’s air date, WM was saying said that Oliver wouldn’t be getting backwith LL or Sara because their relationships were based on the past and wouldnever last. SA specifically said NO.

- WM &MG have also said this season that there were a few stories they had left thatthey ONLY do if Oliver and Felicity weren’t together. It was the truth. Such asexplore them with other people and see those relationships fail for a fundamental reason. As well as delving into Felicity’schanges and Oliver’s sin. Hisdarkness. Facing himself. To findthemselves before they can find each other.

- Thisseason was THE one where they could throw Olicity utterly through the blender as they explored other avenues. We didn’t have to like itbut it has been implied enough times for us to know that it’s because oncethese two idiots get together, it’ll stick. Even through bad times. With many seasons to come - like Stephen said - they could afford to slow down.

- Dig askeda question in episode 1 regarding Olicity that has yet to be answered because like each seasonthere is something in the first episode that gets answered in the last. Ithasn’t always been a question. It’s a device used to show progression, whetherfor good or bad.

(Now thereare many themes and questions, I’m just picking one for each) Season 1: itdelves right into making us wonder who Oliver Queen is, what his mission is andwhy. Who he’s become. And what it might cost. It ends with a man who is asurvivor but not a hero, a man who tried and failed and the cost? Tommy.

Season 2:Can he be a hero in trying a different way? Answer: yes.

Season 3:It’s more of a choice than a question: The Arrow or Oliver Queen.

Season 4:Can Oliver and Felicity be together both romantically and professionally? DoesOliver have what it takes to be the light? Both answers are ‘not yet’. They’reboth under a schism.

Season 5:is Felicity going to be part of Oliver’s future and can Oliver overcome what’sbeen hurting him for so long? Yes and yes.

WithFelicity’s help.

It’s aquestion posed and meant to be answered by 5.23.

- MG recently said in a tumblr answer that he andthe writers view Olicity as much morethan just a romance and that it wasa very good thing. And it is: itmeans not only will they pay attention to them as a couple, they’ll givecredence to the people they are. Who they’ve become. Felicity’s had more storythis year than Laurel did season 1. They’re exploring her personality, whereasLL got thrown a bunch of cases to try and fail at solving and got passed around2 men. In fact, in each season, Felicity’s story builds. THIS year, the showhas explored Oliver more than anyone else but it was always with the goal inmind of truly making him a legend: the GA. This show has always been about him.

I justmentioned Laurel and season 1…

Thisseason, in some ways, is like a fix-it. At least, it is for me. And I promise this ties into the question :)

In season1, Oliver tried to honour his father and did so by taking his book of names ofthe members and associates of Tempest and making it a list of marks to hunt,intimidate, coerce or kill. To try and make Starling better this way.

Evilbegets evil.

His mainlove interest was LL, who he’d betrayed; however, he spent the season trying – toa fashion – to find compatibility from a woman with the man he had become.

Helenawas the connective thread to his darker side searching for redemption.

Mckennawas his desire for some normalcy: an ordinary, functional but caringrelationship.

Laurelwas his need to heal the past; to go back in time and once again be the man heused to be, the one everyone missed, the man who hadn’t made a dumbass decisionthat ended in death, terror and loss.

A man whocouldn’t love Laurel because he wasno longer the man she fell in love with. That man died in the ocean.

(Toanyone who doesn’t like what I’ve just written, please re-watch episode 8:Oliver says this to a version of LL. An episode were he sees people he’s lostand feels guilt over loosing, the people he needs to leave behind becausethey’re haunting him. The people he couldn’t save because he wasn’t who theythought he was.)

A man who wasn’ta dutiful son. Or the amazing boyfriend who hadn’t slept around behind LL’sback. And hewasn’t Ollie. He’d never be Ollie again except to his sister. It takes 2seasons for him to figure that out.

Rightbefore the end of season 1, he gets the girl, aims to save the city anddeclares that - once he’s finished - maybe he won’t need to fight anymore.

By 1.23he’s lost his best friend, any last chance with LL by CHOICE not circumstance, this is important, he doesn’t save thecity and his mother is arrested.

What should have happened after season 1 –I’m going to focus particularly on LL – if a) Oliver wasn’t as damaged as we’vefound him out to be in season 5 and b) if KC as LL had worked, is this:

LL wouldhave found out Oliver’s secret at the end of season 1. After Tommy’s death they would have slept other but he still would have left.

Oliverand LL would have spent up to, roughly, episode 14 of S2 being apart until theycouldn’t take it anymore. Instead of sleeping with Sara, it would have beenLaurel.

They’d beon and off throughout until the end of S3.

Insteadof spending the whole of S2 being an addict and recovering: LL would have alsobeen using boxing or martial arts etc to try to kick her habit and vent some ofher anger and guilt at Tommy’s death. She would have become a definite target forSlade and there would have been more than one episode covering this. By the endof the season, Oliver would have started training her. Personally.

In itsplace, we got an LL who spent an entire season – this is going to sound superharsh - feeling sorry for herself and blaming everyone else but herself for herproblems. I know that sounds bad but, she drank and popped pills to take awayher pain because it was too much for her. THAT’S FINE. THAT’S UDNERSTANDABLE.

What isn’t fine, is making damn sure thatwhoever’s with her feels just as bad, if not worse, than she does.

Becauseshe doesn’t just feel guilty, she feels entitled to pass judgement. As if herpain gives her a free pass. It gives no one else on the show a free pass sothis isn’t a facet the audience can like.

The lasttime she does it is with Oliver: that argument in the hallway after she’s justhurt her father, mother, sister and ex all in one go. After she blamed Sara –like she did Oliver – for ‘ruining’ her life. For making every bad decision and every wrong turn shes made, the fault of someone else.

That’swhen a character being an addict loses sympathy. The addict part isn’t aproblem. It’s how the character affects the people around them. She improvesafterwards but, that mark stays with her.

Weaccepted Thea’s drinking and substance abuse, even if she irritated us, even if she was horribly immature with it; it wasunderstandable and acceptable. She was a teenager lashing out at the world. But they deliberately didn’t push too far withit. They did with LL. They being thewriters etc.

They makeher into a vigilante for her sister with some ‘I care about Oliver even though I disagree with everything he says andhave become a vigilante for SARA yet - when it suits me – also because Ollie’sone too and if he can do it - even though I disagree with everything he does –then so can I’ thrown in.

Season 5resembles this movement… but it twists it on its head and mends what wasbroken.

Oliverhas resorted back to killing criminals, to being very much the vigilante ofseason 1. He’s in love with Felicity but can’t be with her because he’s hurther terribly and there’s something fundamental that hasn’t mended. That hasn’tbeen fixed. Something in him.

Noticed the similarity with season 1?

He spendsthe season unconsciously working from the viewpoint that he is someone whoinfects others. Someone who killed his ownhappiness and didn’t save the people he cared for.

Tommy,his mother, his father, Laurel etc… Felicity’s presence by his side. She closedoff her heart to him and that’s his fault.

But hetries, like in season 1, to build something. He – at Felicity’s behest – buildsa bigger team. He tries to be the politician Star City deserves. He tries tomove on and date. He tries not to succumb to the monster he was the year beforehe returned home. He tries to atone and move forwards.

Professionallyhe mostly succeeds. Personally, he utterly fails.

Rory hasleft by choice. Evelyn betrayed them by choice. Curtis has destroyed hismarriage through choice.

Rene andDinah are flourishing.

As apolitician, he’s destroyed his legacy as the Arrow, even though he thought itthe right choice: it’s hurt him and he doesn’t know how to come back from that.

He killedBilly, thereby once again, hurting Felicity and reminding him again that it isn’tthe worst thing he’s done.

Hesettled for the first offer at a relationship that came along, from a woman whohe knew initially thought little of him because he needed to prove to someonelike that, that he wasn’t bad and could be better. And if he could convincesomeone like her – even as he lied and was subpar about them – then maybe, justmaybe he could be worthy of more. Worthy of Felicity.

He nowfeels he was an idiot to even try and once he saw that for what he was, once herealised why he’d tried in the first place he dumped Snoozan in the coldest breakup I’ve seen on TV in a long time.

He’s beenforced to see why he destabilises everything in his life. He’s fallen to hislowest ever point.

And likewith every season, Felicity will be the one to make him rise back up.

Unlike season1, Oliver and Felicity won’t have a quick 2-minute thing and then spend 3 episodesignoring each other like he and LL had between 21 and 23 S1.

Olicity had episode 19 to air out the big problem between them. She thinks he doesn’t trust her and he has no idea how to tell her the truth because once he does he thinks he’ll lose her love forever. They’llhave 5.20 to circle back round to each other, to have Oliver explain why he’sbeen acting the way he’s been acting and have Felicity be openly vulnerable tohim. 5.22 it’s his b-day party and 5.23 they all end up on Lian Yu.

Not citywide attack, no loss of a best friend (Diggle), no loss of a love that’s hislife and his always and his future.

Perspectivewill be gained as will a new life. He’ll let go of the rope around his neck:his promise to his father. He’ll FINALLY step off the island. He’ll have thegirl who completes him to help him and him, her.

THEYCOULDN’T MASH THIS UP TOGETHER IN WEEKS OF PANIC OVER THE OUTCRY OF FANS.

They would never - EVER - give THIS much simply for fan-service. It’s far too much.

They aren’t that stupid. A waste of money, time and resources on pleasing some fans.

Ah, no.

Look, weknow fans have some power. We know that. They listen to what we like and ifenough people like something, they either look at it more closely or it’s given credence.

But itisn’t their motivation for action. And the CW guys, the directors, theproducers, Warner Br’s etc: they make calls that we don’t know about BEFORE fanreactions even occur. Before they we loved Felicity, THEY fell on love with herfirst and asked her to be brought on for more episodes.

By seeingthe scripts for season 2 and 3, we’ve had it confirmed that all the smallmoments between them over season 1 and 2 were created with an epic romance inmind. The break up has been coming since the beginning. Weall know LL was the original LI, until they watched the pilot before it airedand realised they couldn’t re-cast their female lead.

The breakup and the space between Oliver and Felicity has been deliberate and something they’vebeen planning for a long time. As is their reunion. As is Oliver’s rise toglory.

All ofthis, the romance, has all been about Oliver becoming the GA. It has NOTHING todo with fan reaction.

Take abrief look at season 4’s narrative cues first:

They’retogether, moving in with each other and getting married. All in 9 episodes.Wow. At the time I didn’t notice the speed but looking back at it, I’m superstunned I didn’t see the it until it was too late.

Theyrushed their progress to break themup. To give them lots of time to live differently without each other. I’ve already posted that I believe they’re aiming for 5 more seasons to reflect on the first 5. It had nothing to do with whetherwhoever makes the decisions likes Olicity or not; it was a piece of the story.They realised they were going to get more than 5 seasons – A LOT more.Revealing this secret child and having them work through that was probablygoing to happen all in one season. Until the glorious news of more seasons.

So, thenthey have that scene in 4.16 where Felicity says to Oliver that he would alwaysbe on that island and that, though she loves him and wants to be with him,he’ll always resort to being that person. To the man created in those 5 yearsaway. The kind of fiancé who would make the kind of choices that would leavethe ones he loves bereft, even if that wasn’t his intention. The man she loveswho could one day simply leave her, because of a choice he might make.

It’s aprogressive point: something for him to aim to beat. A wall to climb over. Andsome walls are really high and terrifying to scale.

They’re at a stale mate and a crossroads and to be honest, I understand why. As much as the patience they asked ofus is wearing very thin, I get why it took so long.

Theycouldn’t get back together in season 4 because Felicity was right: eventuallyhe’ll make a decision that will ruin them. And she needed to face her demons.Until he could understand himself, understand what lies at the root of hisdecisions, they were null.

AndOliver… well he’s the king at burying what hurts. It’s very characteristic ofhis character to take a full season to GET IT.

This isthe core of season 5. His evolution.Stepping past that and becoming the hero Felicity has seen in him since dayone.

And yethe hasn’t managed to do this without her.

She’s a pinnacle piece of his puzzle.Their break up is at the root of what’s hurting him.

Most ofhis choices this season have ended in failure and/or pain. The things he’sdoing as the mayor, how he’s resorted to killing once again, then openlyrenouncing the GA without discussing it with his team, dating SW and thendumping her like she was nothing (she was and he knows it which is why hedoesn’t understand why he dated her: it was because he was lonely btw), they’vebeen based on an underlying principal that he is this bad person who destroysthe goodness around him. He went in search of something to prove that wrong… what he found was much worse. He found thetruth: or a partial truth.

Beingalone hasn’t helped him: it’s simply made him see what he was denying foryears. In a very real way, it is a sickness.

Buthonestly, he was never EVER going to understand himself fully, was never goingto see the missing pieces without Felicity Smoak.

I believe5.20 will be about this: about the revelation in 5.17 and Felicity showing himthat there might be a different way to see this.

The waythey’ve filmed the episode tells me they’ve put a good deal of thought andMEANING into it.

It’s sounding like theOlicity episode to end all other episodes: they’re in each scenetogether. It’s been made so that Felicity has to depend on him, something she’sbeen deliberately not doing all season. It will be brutally honest, gut wrenching and heart-warming MAYBE OTHER THINGS.

Now,WITHOUT proof, why would they do allthat just to tide over a fan-base?

If thenarrative flow to Olicity and their reunion wasn’t obvious to some people it’sbecause they were either too close to the subject or too angry at their breakup. I get why. It was a crappy breakup and the length of time we’ve had to waitfor the pendulum to swing back around has been almost too much – but they couldnever get back together until Oliver is at his lowest, until he is at a place he can fully open like he’s never been before.

All because of her, because she’s changing his world view of her and it is certainly not in any bad way.

And indoing this - in confessing to the one person he’s most afraid to confess to -he’ll free himself of a burden AND have what is likely going to be an amazingresponse from the woman he loves. Something to give him hope: a different pointof view. Maybe it’s that simple. It’ll connect to their breakup. It ALL connects.

They’retying up 5 years of story in 5 episodes, but there will be a focus on hissecrets (William/his break up with Felicity) and his loose ends (the return ofsome major villains etc).

She’s beenthrough something now, and she sees him in a different light — and he also seesher in a different light. There’s a lot more mutual understanding, and eventhough I think it’s hard to top the mutual respect they already have for eachother, that goes up as well.”

WM said this and do you seehow brilliant that is?

That they’re creating a couplewho no one can stand against, a couple who love, respect and admire each otherthe most out of everyone. A couple who understand each other enough that theirfuture encounters are bound to fascinate us.

Like someone once said, they’rethe DNA that make Arrow what it is. The essential make up now of the show.

Fan-service, they will neverbe. They were decided BEFORE we wanted them by Warner Bro’s, CW, the directorsetc.

(DID I GO ON, OR DID I GO ON? I DO APOLOGISE)

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